>Lets create a beginner friendly OS that caters to windows users and try to get everyone from windows to switch to linux!>proceeds to create the most bloated, slow, laggy piece of shit desktop known to man which over half of it is coded in javascript and python called cinnamonSeriously what the fuck is their problem? They were on a winning streak with MATE, and XFCE was staring them right in the face. It's literally the most universal and lightweight full fledged DE that works on most PC's. It was literally IN THEIR HANDS they had the ball in their court.Instead they went on a downward spiral and poured all their effort into not making good GUI apps, but instead a bloated garbage desktop which is slow and a buggy file manager which still YEARS later people complain and still cant even come close to thunar or the stability of XFCE/MATE.They are literally on a downward spiral. I still use mint XFCE but if they ever discontinue this version, I'm probably not going to use anything they ever make again.
>>107181415They didn't make MATE.
Just say you hate GNOME, anon. You don't need to hide behind shitting on Cinnamon. You're objectively wrong btw.
>>107181426>You're objectively wrong btw.https://streamable.com/sllxf2That's some mighty copium. People have been telling the mint team that nemo is dogshit for years but they have too big of an ego. It's literally the slowest file manager to the point it crashed when you transfer anything over 500gb and or thousands of files, but thunar doesn't.Literally all they had to do was just use XFCE. Now they are on a downward spiral.They can still save themselves if they discontinue cinnamon, and make the main project XFCE. They dug their grave too deep and now have to commit to cinnamon to cope.
Also they lost their #1 spot on distro watch. Such a shame too, mint utilities are great but XFCE is the only good spin they have.If they stop supporting it linux will truly suffer for the worse. I'll probably end up forking it myself and changing the name.
I'm on Cinnamon and its still A FUCK TON faster and less bloated than Ubuntu. It's not even close. At least on my old ass 2017 thinkpad. But ya I think Mint XFCE is pretty much the best option for just booting into something fast and light. That said I did like Mate more.
>>107181469That's basically just page views per day. It's a nothingburger.
>>107181415>bloated, slow, laggy piece of shit desktopExactly! Windows users will feel right at home.
>>107181415>proceeds to create the most bloated, slow, laggy piece of shit desktop known to man which over half of it is coded in javascript and python called cinnamonYou forgot to mention insane undocumented defaults and changes to upstream packages that forced them to put "stability rating" on every upstream update on a scale from "what could possibly go wrong" to "just fuck my shit up"Though it's mostly resolved now and they stopped triaging upstream updates a couple versions ago, there was a time when apt-get upgrade all was guaranteed to brick your bootloader and home
>>107181475I dont think cinnamons the worst offender in terrible linux desktops that would be guhnome or tiling window managers for new users.Cinnamon isnt the slowest, Its a 5/10 desktop on par with KDE 5 but the file manager is god awful compared to thunar. I'd rate XFCE a 7/10 for stability and usability but it could use some quality of life like when you add to panel it adds it to the right instead of on the left side where apps should go. Really my only problem is nemo. IDK why they didnt just fork thunar or pcmanfm.
>>107181415Mint has been going downhill ever since they got rid of the KDE edition.
>>107181517Oh also I forgot to mention too nemo is now a HARD dependency for cinnamon. So even if you like the cinnamon desktop, you can't remove nemo because it removes the desktop.So much for freedom and doing what you want on linux.
>>107181415>literally>literally>literallyRope, zoomer
>>107181532aren't default file managers typically responsible for THE desktop part of any DE, the thing with shortcuts below all windows?
>>107181548Idk its just funny how you can do it on XFCE but you can't on cinnamon main edition.IDK why the mint team are trying to make linux as locked down as windows.
The most recent versions (since 20 or so) have felt kinda less polished and indeed very slow, but I really do not suspect that they DE alone is to blame here. Everything feels kinda off, especially the integration with other apps. But also the whole switch away from networkmanager and pulseaudio. Not saying those were great by any means, but I want stability and speed, I don't care about the inner workings of an OS as long as it gets out of my way. They should get their shit together. What are the alternatives that are not GNOME and/or becoming a full arch ricer?>>107181514Source? I've been using mint since version 10 and I don't remember that happening even just once.
>>107181469>lost #1 to a FOTM "performance" meme distro in a popularity contestWho cares?
>>107181415The more retard friendly you make your computer the more bloated and laggy it becomes. Those have been the rules since computers existed.
>>107181469that isn't really a good metric as a good chunk of the visitors of that site are bots
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>>107181469The lion does not concern himself with opinions derived from some ranking leaderboard.
>>107181532Right because cinnamon represents every Linux distro out there.Retard.
>>107181613Even back then in 2011 not sure why they didn't go with XFCE. It was really mature, lightweight, fast and customizable. They just had to focus on apps, that's literally all they had to do.https://www.xfce.org/about/tour48
>>107181701It is when cinnamon is their main spin and thats the new user experience for tens of thousands of people trying to leave windows. It might as well represent everything linux has to offer.New users will now regret using linux and switching from windows because1. Cinnamon is slow and it didn't work with their laptop/pc's low to budget specs or whatever2. They can't un-install the slow ass fucking file manager that crashes constantly and takes nearly a second to switch directories.Thats a pretty bad experience if you ask me. Sorry but this whole development to cinnamon has been a huge waste for the project and plenty of people have been vocal on why cinnamon sucks for multiple reasons over the years.
Man I was just considering Mint Xfce after crashing Nemo xD
>>107181718Is that true what the heck? How did mint become more mainstream than Ubuntu? I think most dev's still use ubuntu for base image docker shit. Like that and alpine.
>>107181718Okay, so, simple suggestion would be, don't use cinnamon. That was difficult, was it not?Plus it's based off of Ubuntu, so makes sense.Is Mint Debian Edition better or worse?
>>107181746LMDE 7 is based on Debian 13, so it should have newer packages than regular Mint.......it SHOULD. It's a Frankenstein mix of the Mint and Debian repos, so who knows what you're gonna get.
>>107181746You can choose not to use cinnamon, but the devs are prioritizing cinnamon which is bad. They are on a downward spiral because they have put so much time into this project they don't want to admit that it's bad compared to MATE, which is what they were on originally.You can use mint XFCE, but how long will that last until they discontinue it and sacrifice it at the all mighty altar of cinnamon?Mint debian is just cinnamon+nemo but with debian 13 packages.Someones going to get fed up eventually and fork the mint project from LMDE 7 or something and base it on XFCE.
>>107181425But they're both green?
>>107181718I know someone who uses Mint on a laptop over a decade old and it still runs fine. But yes, if you have an even weaker machine, I'd recommend something lighter like MX, Peppermint, or Linux Lite.
>XFCE someone please explain me why linuxfags jerk off to this shit, it literally was made for 2gb laptops from windows 7 era and offers nothing today
>>107181564You can't do it on mint as the file manager supposedly draws the desktop icons
>>107181718Cinnamon is miles faster than win 11's ui so no windows user will complain about that. Also any mid range pc from the past 15 years will run mint just fine with 0 lag so I have no idea what 3rd world dogshit you're attempting to run mint on. A raspberry pi 2 or something?
>>107181827Cinnamon is also miles uglier. Plasma or bust.
>>107181828*krashes*
>>107181812Because if you're going to go for a "just works beginner distro" you don't make your main desktop something that only a select few can run, and even the select few that can run it with sub second speeds when opening the file manager, its still not as good or fast as modern XFCE. Most people don't have gaming PC's and that's not how you win the windows market.Really strange decision because the rest of mints apps and programs are very pragmatic, they wont even switch from X11 to maintain nvidia support. Its really strange how out of touch they are with the community.>>107181827Actually nemo is slower than windows 10's file manager by like 2x.Also no I have a gaming PC with a 5800X3D and a 6700XT. I can still feel a noticeable difference between cinnamon being way slower than XFCE. Also nemo is just straight unusable. Its not functional. Now imagine people who have a laptop or something.
>>107181840Do you have any benchmarks or are you pulling this out your ass?
>>107181833Post beef.
>>107181840bruh...it's 2025, literally most 2015+ laptops don't need this retarded XFCE, linuxfags are fucking mentally issued, I swear
What kind of fucking ultra poorfag tier specs do you need to have for shit like KDE or Cinnamon to lag for you? My shitty ass six year old computer can handle Mint with zero problems. I think XFCE is fine for what it is, but if you HAVE to use it over something else as your main driver, instead of any other reason or taste, then you got bigger problems than your PC being shit.
>>107181847I literally have tested this, but feel free to test it yourself. Also there's plenty of videos and complaints over the last 8 years of how people hate nemo. see >>107181450Sorry but cinnamon sucks, and nemo is literally not functional as a file manager. That alone makes the desktop not usable. Its literally broken.
>>107181854I can tell the difference in speed and I have a fucking powerful gaming PC. Sorry but the mint devs are mentally ill and out of touch with the average user.They should of went with the pragmatic approach where XFCE works for everyone's PC. Now they won't and have coped for almost a decade now even though XFCE mogs it effortlessly.
>>107181871oh ye, sure, you can tell, I have MacBooks pro from 2013 up to 2019 and there is literally no difference in speed, maybe minutes per task, but we stuck and your lightweight XFCE is a meme
>>107181895Sorry but browsing isnt a real task. Try transferring large files like over a terabyte or actually using a time command on linux.XFCE opens all its apps under 20ms and folder switching on thunar is 5-10ms.Meanwhile most apps on cinnamon I tested on my PC open within 500ms. Also I timed the file switching on nemo and it takes literally almost 500ms
>>107181708They have (had?) an XFCE. But, I know some people cannot understand this, XFCE feels lackluster. I know, it "works" and its stable an all. Cinnamon was meant to fix this. And it did. It has not changed that much in the last 10 years, but it got refined. At least that was until recently.>>107181662Yes, the infamous levels. You have talked about, but that is no proof for>there was a time when apt-get upgrade all was guaranteed to brick your bootloader and homeI have never used the graphical update tool ever and yet I never ran into the issue. So gimme at least some source here.
>>107181917sorry but gaming is not a real task, you quite literally just buy switch, switch 2, steam deck or ps5 and that's it, meanwhile all 2013-2019 MBP I have render shit, export shit ect. ect. at the same speed
I'm 99% this is the fucker thats feeding clem false lies and shilling the cinnamon desktop as a good thing. He's in his ear telling him great the desktop is while everyone hates it. I'm almost convinced this guy is a paid microsoft employee purposefully destroying the linux desktop by making it slightly worse kinda like the frog boiling in water.
>>107181718>tens of thousands of peopleYou mean the whole lot of people making donations to mint?>2. They can't un-install the slow ass fucking file manager that crashes constantly and takes nearly a second to switch directories.I usually hate statements like this, but... sounds like a you problem.>1. Cinnamon is slow and it didn't work with their laptop/pc's low to budget specs or whateverUsing a freaking old or low-budget laptop *is always* going to be a shitty experience. If you think that telling those people that some magic Linux with a DE that has not seen meaningful development in the last 20 years (and therefore looks like that) will overwhelm them with positive feelings in light of them opening a modern browser that brings the machine to a crawl anyway is a strong opinion, to say the least.Telling noobs that linux makes them old shit usable again has been the single worst lie told by linux fanatics for the last three decades.
>>107181965So tell me, is it a GOOD idea, to make a newbie linux distro, and then base that main edition on a desktop environment that nobody can even run when a superior version that works on everyones machine, with the best file manager already exists. On top of that it has a file manager that is hated for years and literally is the most vocal pushback but yet they still wont remove it? Is that REALLY a smart decision?Someone in the mint team is sabotaging the project there has to be some sort of spy because mint used to be so good with MATE.
>>107181982>a desktop environment that nobody can even runCitation needed. Otherwise that is a YOU problem. Going by your words I have to proclaim: You are wrong based on the fact that I am indeed right now running Cinnamon on mint 22.2. >when a superior version that works on everyones machine, with the best file manager already exists.I like XFCE. XFCE has it's place. But calling it superiors is a stretch.>the most vocal pushback but yet they still wont remove it?You are quite vocal indeed.Look, I feel like some decisions in the last few years were unlucky and I absolutely feel like the recent versions of mint were not as polished as they should have been. They should really straighten their way or else I feel like it might become totally useless soon.But you are on another level altogether. *You* seem to have specific problems and then you feel like talking on behalf of the whole linux noob community yet to come. And that is BS. If XFCE works for you, that's good then. But making this the call out for inane flaming about how this one distro does not opt to default to your personal favourite? Come on, grow up.
>>107182028Thanks chatgpt
>>107181415but enough about gnome
is this a schizo thread
>>107182056n-no
i would use xfce or cinammon but they say x11 is insecure and i will be immedietly hacked and raped in that order somehow magically plus nobody is allowed to update it or they will be stalked and made homelesss by bluesky posters and then raped. at least thats the word on the street so im sticking to gnome as it uses wayland
>>107181415Cinammon is still faster than W10/11.
ZorinOS has is right, just fix gnome instead of starting over.
>>107181415>Lets create a beginner friendly OS that caters to windows users and try to get everyone from windows to switch to linux!Zorin
>>107181415>Lets create a beginner friendly OS that caters to windows users and try to get everyone from windows to switch to linux!Ultramarine Linux.
>>107181415Mint is a pointless distro when CachyOS exists and does everything better. It’s why everyone has been making the switch and Mint is tanking on the distrowatch rankings. It’s beyond obvious that Arch is the future of Linux.
>>107181415you're telling me that something that was made to run on fucking sticks and stones is faster than a normal OS? who would've thought faggot
>>107181450>transfer anything over 500gbUse case?
>Coding an OS in Pythondo people do this?
>>107182411>It’s beyond obvious that Arch is the future of Linux.What if I want to run installers I've downloaded from a webpage? You can do that on deb and rpm distros; not on Arch.
Why is the idea of a userfriendly, intuitive distro that just works so hated by Loonixtards?
>>107183382Because Linux trying to become retardproof is a waste of time and counter to what it's supposed to be. Retards should stick with Mac and Windows where they don't need to think about how to use their OS.
>>107181450Lmfao. Nah nemo's great. I use it and im not even on cinnamon or mint. Why do you turbolosers have to be so hysterical about everything all the time
reminder that of the big popular DE's (Gnome, KDE, Xfce and Cinnamon) the only one more lightweight is XfceYesKDE is more bloatedGNOME is much more bloatedthat being said if your computer is from after 2013 with 8gb of ram any one of these DE's will run fast
Can I install xfce and try it out or will it give me issues if I don’t do it from a fresh / clean install?
>>107183428
Linux Mint is the Green Day of distros. It's going mainstream, all the hot cheerleaders and jocks are using it, you are the nerdy kid who liked punk before Green Day got on MTV, now your little secret club is dominated by Chad and you'll have to go to BSD or something
>>107183782>Linux becoming popular and actually having to be useableThe worst mightmare of the loonixtard
>>107181415I used cinnamon on an old thinkpad and thought it was lovely.
>>107183382Because it makes them feel special. They’ll shill Linux ad nauseum, but when you talk about improving it to encourage adoption they get upset and claim it isn’t for everyone. Repeat.
>>107181415the only DE that felt like an improvement over windows for me was kde plasma
>>107183968>the only DE that felt like an improvement over windows for me was kde plasmaHow's kubuntu these days?
>>107184031idk they got hacked when i wanted to try it so i didnt download anything from their siteit doesnt even matter cause literally every distro is the same
>>107181415yeah cinnamon sux I always use the mate version
>>107181634false, win7 is retard proof and just works
>>107181415>bloated, slow, laggy piece of shit desktopWell yes, it's supposed to be an easy switch for winjeets users
>>107182411>CachyOSit this redditors favourite flavor of the month? last time it was bazzite
>>107183428>Linux kernel is good>Having a good userland is apparently a waste of time
>>107181415Stop using shit hardware. Srs.Nothing should be built for bennies check tier computers. And also, imagine how suicide-inducing it must be to work on something intentionally built for welfare check dents instead of cutting edge hardware lol. Like you're purposefully putting all your work and effort into something intentionally obsolete.
I fucking hate Linux but at least it doesn't spy like Windows 11.
>>107185052I'd FUCKING love linux if I had the right hardware. But I don't. I've a laptop that I bought off my brother when he dropped out of engineering courses that he had build to run windows on. I literally spend the last 2 days just trying to get hardware acceleration working
>>107181923>no proofIt happened to me once a decade ago.Though I was also fucking around with an overcomplicated setup involving both lvm and mdadm with a bunch of uncommon filesystems on top, but it's still not an excuse.
>>107181415>caters to windows users>create the most bloated, slow, laggy piece of shit desktop known to manSo you're saying they succeeded.
>>107183382Autistic OS for an autistic audience.
