You lost, total Wayland victory.
>>107200639yes it was outdated garbage
>>107200694To be honest Wayland only won because of what happened to Hyprland, they shot their retarded little feet off and it forced them to start listening to people or lose relevancy through a fork. The right developers saw this and said fuck off, we're going to do our own thing because you won't listen to users (KDE), now those little bitch-made faggots upstream have to listen. Still sandbagging retarded shit like window's being able to position themselves though.
>multi monitor VRR>HDR>mixed refresh ratesX11 lost
>>107200639Nah
GAYLAND shills at full force today, what happened?
wayland fans just seem to be sadists
>>107200639I'm still using it teehee
It ain't over until "Bob" instructs Patrick Volkerding to to remove X11 from Slackware and if that ever happens then I'll accept it as "Bob's" will.
>>107200713What the hell are you talking about?
>>107200639>>107200725All this shit justwerks.png for me in wayland with an nvidya card but not x11, therefore the way of the gays is superior
>>107200639Thank god I'm only used XLibre than Xorg
>>107200842>remove X11 from Slackwarethats something you wont be seeing in your lifetime, grandpa.
>>107200842No one knows who that is anymore, gramps, go back to yelling at the cloud.
>>107200871KEKNailed. Debian is what I used for the last 20 something years until coming to "Bob". I have hated it ever since they put systemd and gayland in it. I used to have a perfect setup with a minimal netinst then install X11 with Openbox for perfect startx glory and then one day it got gayed. I grudgingly remained until I saw this literal faggot talking about rusting apt. I don't even know what any of that means, but I hate it nonetheless.
>>107200958kek! id run slack too, it never ever changes, but debian has been such a hassle free experience to me that i got to love it, even tho it keeps changing.
>>107200958you do realise that x11 is basically the systemD of display servers? Old unixfags shitted on it in 90s
>>107201029I used it from Potato on but I also had a difficult time coping with the name Trixie. It was really a perfect storm that built up over years and drove me to "Bob".
>>107201048which really says a lot about the shittiness of wayland
>>107201048No, I don't realize much of shit about fuck, all I knew was I hated it fucking up my setup I'd worked out very meticulously for years and I could no longer log in and type in "startx". That's literally it, all that I know.
>>107200639so I'll keep using it instead of installing wayland
>>107201065You just see what you want to see.fuck this board>>107201074You still can? Noone deleted startx from your puter
>>107201081>You just see what you want to see.i see fucking garbage
>>107201081It boots straight to a desktop now and doesn't even give you the opportunity to type in "startx" anymore, and if it's gayland then there's no X to start unless you go and do special stuff. I don't want to do special stuff. I just want to log in, get a prompt, and type "startx". That's it, all that I want, and they took it away from me.
>>107201098Disable the display manager service you tool, how the fuck have you been using linux for this many years and you can't even handle basic operation tasks?
>>107201121Because I don't read the fucking manuals, I just use GNU+Linux. I am not a manual reader. I don't need to do anything special with Slackware, it does what I like which is boot to a place for me to type in "startx'.
>>107201136I don't read the manuals either and I at least know how to enable or disable a service and what a display manager is. 20 years my ass.
>>107201091https://www.phoronix.com/news/Wayland-Tearing-Control-Proto>>107201098Your previous setup was a crutch and some package maintainer desided to "fix" it, it has little to do with wayland.
>>107201139You very likely know a *lot* of things that I don't know. I am RETARDED and can barely operate a computer at all, but I don't let that stop me from doing the things that I can do. I like to use my computer to write txt files.
>>107201144I don't know what it has to do with but they fucked it all up. You couldn't even type it "reboot" or "shutdown" or "poweroff" or "halt" anymore either. They made a lot of things not work anymore and I hate them.
>>107201168>You couldn't even type it "reboot" or "shutdown" or "poweroff" or "halt" anymore either.probably systemd idk, these work for me on void
>>107201175Yeah that part was systemd. I think of systemd and wayland as two tentacles from the same devil which is Red Hat and they pretty much dictate Gnome now too from what I can tell so it's just one thing after another. I hate Red Hat, and I hate that faggot that worked there that made systemd and I think he made pulse too and I always used ALSA with JACKD for audio recording and an ncurses mixer. I just hate all of the things that all of those faggots have done that makes everything that used to work stop working so I hope they all get GASSED.
>>107201175>voidI never heard of that and just read the Wikipedia. That seems like a very interesting distro and I respect your use of it.
>>107201205I already told you - systemd and wayland are complete opposites both in design principles and implementations. Wayland litteraly is a protocol - you can use it without a single line of code from Redhat/FAANG and all your shit would work because it's an OPEN standard, unlike x11 where you're on life support from big tech.It's just your pattern recognition mistook "new" for "evil" and I can't really blame you since everything in tech turns to shit.>>107201244Thanks! TLDR it's basically arch but more stable and comfy without forcing maintainer ideas onto you.
>>107200844He just had to let out a lot of strong feelings all at once.
>>107200842>Slackware
>>107200639whichever one SteamOs uses is the one that won. it will the official public facing , was good enough for a end user product by a company advertising a product to normals
>>107201277>systemd and wayland are complete opposites both in design principles and implementationsThey both came from Red Hat though and I hate everything I've ever known about that comes from them. I will never forget even before startx stopped working when I had to start shutting pulse down every time I wanted to use JACKD. Ever since then it's been one thing after another and I hate them and I hope IBM sells them totally all the rest of the way to India and everyone stops using them so they can't do any further harm.>>107201315I wish I would have started using it a long time, a long time ago.
>>107201384you're a dumbass.
>>107201417Welcome to yesterday, I said right up above that I am RETARDED. There's a chance that I'm your real dad, too.In ref to Red Hat fucking everything up, here's the earliest start to it that I ever knew of.https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/press-gnomefoundation
>>107201444>i'm your real dad:<I wish to have a dad like you - a dumbass boomer that makes cringe jokes but a good lad after allunfortunately mine is an asshole sloth-addict who left me
>>107200639Xlibre says hello
>>107201493I truly hate to hear that and would not have said that if I knew that. I don't know what sloth is other than the animal and the laziness. I hate this whole world overall, but there are a few things in it that I like (like typing startx, and not having systemd or gayland, and I like writing txt files). I hope "Bob" will bless you and make up for that somehow.
>>107201144>have to rely on every program to let wayland know it's allowed to tearno thanks
wayland drove me back to windows
>>107201417name 1 good red hat program
>>107201493>wtfpl - not even once
>>107201544this
Why are psychopaths so keen on forcing wayland on the unwilling? What is it about this one piece of software that is so attractive to them?
>>107201277>more stableyup>comfyit depends of what you consider comfy, having to work for the distro to work properly is lame, besides xbps, the entire thing stinks of half-assed work.>without forcing maintainer ideas onto youdistro mainteiners insane troons, that have refused to package software because they dont like its creators.
>>107201582I liked void. Are there any non-political distros left?
>>107201833i kinda of like it too, xbps is super cool, just the rest that stinks.>Are there any non-political distros left?i only know of devuan (you have to check their site and forums, they are among the best out there of any distro), maybe artix too.
>The great compositor warsTime to get a real fucking job bucko.
>>107201074Fucking 80 iq boomer>>107201091Wayland has no latency. Fuck kinda computer you running? Pentium with 2gb ram? you retards can literally still use xorg if you want.
>>107201136What the fuck
>>107201158What kind of text files are you even writing when you can’t even read a basic manual you fucking sperg retard
>>107201955Literature like they used to do on stuff like papyrus, paper, and with typewriters to make books. Instead of using those things to make literature I like to use txt files in GNU+Linux. I like to set it to show line numbers, and I like to set it to use monospace 12 font, and I like to set it to a neat looking color scheme. Then I just start writing a bunch of words.
>>107201944
>>107200713No one seriously tried to fix X.Isolation, deprecating cruft, adding new shit ... it was all possible inside X. Muh technical debt, muh fresh start, muh 20 years of bikeshedding instead.
>X11>no X12 in sightwtf
>>107201516Everyone has already said goodbye.
XLibre won
>>107202491X simply had major design flaws that made it hard to iterate on. You can't remove cruft without a lot of pushback because someone, somewhere, probably relies on that cruft, even if that reliance could be better placed on a different solution entirely. It needed to be taken out back, it was the only way. It's just unfortunate the people who did take it out back pulled the trigger and missed the target 5ft in front of them 90 times.
>>107202973> X simply had major design flaws that made it hard to iterate on.Any specifics or are you just reciting the generic RedHat propaganda script?I'm only aware of only one design flaw (screen resolution limited to about 4.5 x 4k Monitors next to each other). There are some useless things like ancient drawing primitives but those are not really hurting in any way.
>>107202464Yes, I'm sure comparing GNOME to fucking i3 is a fair comparison. Why not compare i3 to Sway?
>>107202464this nigga comparing gnome to i3. Same shit would show if i compared gnome to sway, or xfce to i3. Or kde running x11 to i3. Especially on a mid range thinkpad at 60hz.Get real. Run a real modern desktop at 240hz and tell me wayland has ANY latency or tearing. You wont find any. The experience is way better than fuckin windows. >>107201548Openshiftrhel serversSELinux architectureData GridAMQ. Ansible automation platform.RHEL is mostly involved with architecture not desktop programs. SeLinux by itself is a banger and worth trying to study it and understand how it works.
>>107203230>totally ignores the fact that any program can read what another is doing. Essentially all programs becoming keyloggers on xorg and sandboxing was impossible.Yah im sure 4.5k monitors was the only design flaw.
>>107203700behold latency
>>107203722can you control a media player in the background using global hotkeys in wayland? this is essential
>>107200639Yeah if you can't convince users and force everyone to use inferior product then you can call it victory.
>>107203826I would be interested in a comparison to windows and osxhow do they compare to wayland or x11?
>>107203846This is nothing to do with Wayland. Media Player's register themselves with MPRIS so you can control them over DBus.If you have some minimal environment like Sway or Hyprland, etc, then you use something like Playerctl and setup binds in your compositors config for it.
>>107200639Xlibre works on my PC.Cope, seethe, cry.
>>107203722not the same anon but do you think they will ever have some method of seeing the mouse pointer? I have an application i'd like to popup near the mouse but tracking mouse position seems impossible at the moment.
>>107203958You're supposed to use relative positioning for that or if that's not good enough than ext-zones will maybe be the solution for you.
>>107203722> Muh fake security theater problemsTrusted clients should be able to work together without restrictions on a FOSS desktop.This is not a flaw of X11. It's a feature.If you run untrusted Programs all day you should switch to Windows or iOS.
>>107200639Be foolish Wayland shill, even though Wayland is unfinished.See hardly anyone is using Wayland. Be angry.Idea: post a thread saying "total Wayland victory." No need to find nor cite facts. Easy peasy.Post thread. Hey Mom I posted it again! Do I get tendies?
>>107204003>See hardly anyone is using WaylandYes, apart from RHEL, Debian/Ubuntu, Suse and many more nobody is using it.
>>107203930> Using a external protocol infrastructure just to be able to push a play buttonWayland is the definition of bloat.
>>107204013X11 does it the exact same thing, retard. There are actually advantages to not having to fight over which application gets to bind to the fucking play/pause button and instead use IPC that allows for controlling an arbitrary amount of players at once.
>>107204021> X11 does it the exact same thingNo it doesn't!It certainly doesn't rely on additional bloated userspace daemons for things as simple as button events.> instead use IPCYes the IPC that is in included in the display server anyways. X11 has everything you need.
>>107204046EVERY desktop uses MPRIS. Only being able to control a single media player at once with the Play/Pause button and not even knowing which application has bound itself to it is not a good design. That's why even under X11 hotkey daemons are a thing that handle binding on behalf of your desktop environment or windowing environment.
>>107204064>EVERY desktop uses MPRIS.Mine doesn't.
>>107204081Which desktop do you use?
>>107204011>RHEL, Debian/Ubuntu, SuseApart from Ubuntu who the fuck is using other distros? Because definitely not normal desktop Linux users.
>>107204090They do have an audience, even though yes, I'm inclined to agree with you that I'm not sure I'd call them normal but they have their uses in the enterprise space.
>>107204064> EVERY desktop uses MPRIS.MPRIS is some stupid dbus protocol. I don't have dbus installed.You could easily implement this by using XIntenAtom() and window properties in pure X11. I never understood why dbus exists in the first place.Besides, controlling multiple media players at the same time with one play/pause button is like the most niche usecase I've ever heard of.
>>107204128You could, yes. Now go and do it and then go and make pull requests to every media player to use it.You may not use it but for better or worse MPRIS is the defacto standard for controlling media players.
