>Run a fairly niche forum for video games and game modding>Traffic in the 20k per week range>Notice that whilst traffic is ticking up slowly, posts are shooting up disproportionately>Notice post quality going down, shilling going up, few mods complaining>Pornography fucking everywhere>Few users emailing complaining>Can feel the culture of the forum shifting to an uncomfortable miasma>Okay then>Notice the vast majority of shitposts are from indian, russian, israeli and various other IP ranges and VPNs>Grab the Country and posts data and pull out insights, highest quality posters are from Anglo and western euro IPs>Pull out and isolate well behaved users from other nations and add an exception flag to their logins>Range ban all other IP ranges>Range ban most of the free VPN IP ranges I can find>Tell my mods what I've done and ask them to report back after a week>Shitposting drops through the floor instantly>Forums culture starts healing>Users are happy and don't seem to mind the slower post throughput>Mods are happy that they actually get to engage with the community again instead of being on constant janny watch and post review>Shared data with a few other hobby forum admins I'm friendly with>They're thinking about doing the same.>Few pissy emails into admin@ saying things like "bastard bitch you fuck mother why you ban me??? Unbanning NOW! I fuck your mom benchod shit man bastard!" and "Cannot create sign on BENCHOD! You banning india!? FUCK YOU! I USE VPN AND CREATING ACCOUNT ANYWAY YOU CANNOT STOPPING INDIAN!">Stragglers are far and few, found and weeded out quickly as the community has been asked to report low quality postsThought I'd share. What do you all think?
nuke india, of course.
>>107301354based, but we need intensive data analysis on those posters and kinds of posts...
>>107301354If 4chan did this years ago, the chain of events that led to the sharty never would have occurred
>>107301354I wish they'd do that here. It's clear the Internet was better when we didn't need to share it with Indians. Let's go back to that.
>>107301354Your website must not be very old, since the internet has been filled with shit since before Chiner opened their firewarr.
>>107301354Based. Act like children, get filtered like em.
I feel like we take it for granted that the internet is one giant international network that transcends borders, if you think about it it's a completely unsustainable utopian system because it complicates international law and leads to unstoppable plagues of culture shock like indians shitting up forums. I think we'll equalize to 5 or 6 Internets that all cannot directly communicate with each due to great firewalls, and people will talk about today's internet like some kind of quaint early historical anomaly.
>>107301415It's actually incredibly old but the games and topics are niche>>107301387When I actually pulled the post and country and threw it into various AI tools, gave it parameters to assess post quality etc and ran it, the feedback was stark. Indian posters were by far the worst behaved but a surprising subset of other high-offender rate nations shared the same bullshit behaviours.>Shilling other non-related games>Any time they "shared" their work and WIPs they were behind referral links and often linked to nothing, just referral link sinkholes>Badgering users in DMs, especially if they ever hinted they were female or had a username/avatar that in any way indicated they had a vagina>insulting other peoples work and WIPs while never posting their own>Shilling awful slop games on various play stores>Hurling insults at anyone who disagreed with them>Sockpuppet accounts, so many fucking sockpuppet accounts, one IP had 20 usernames and they'd make a post with one account and use the other 19 to back that post up whether it be hype for their own thing or shitting on someone else>>107301408>>107301401I do wonder what 4chan, reddit, youtube, linkedin etc would look like under a similar ruleset.
I had the same happen. Fairly moderate sized community, checked off regional bans in Cloudflare settings to wipe out Israel, Iran, Thailand, China, Bangladesh, and India. Quality went up, moderation efforts required went down.
>>107301354>What do you all think?I'll take things that never happened for $500, Alex.
>>107301476>When I actually pulled the post and country and threw it into various AI toolsThis is what made me clock your story as fanfiction, since running posts through "AI tools" to get the types of categorizations that go beyond sentiment analysis is a good example of something that's theoretically possible with LLMs, but is prohibitively expensive (or time consuming if running local) and just isn't something a webmaster of a forum would actually do to determine what your character has figured out about his forumEverything you assume about geoblocking India is pretty much correct though, it's typically a blanket improvement on post quality everywhere I've ever seen it implemented.
>>107301457I think it's up to site admins to dictate what kind of communities they'd like to curate. I felt bad instituting all of these rules but when I thought about it like a garden it was far easier to justify the actions I was taking. You wouldn't tolerate slugs, weeds or an ant or hornets nest in your garden, why tolerate it on your website?
>>107301476what were jews doing though?
>>107301521Eh, if you don't believe me that's fine. I won't argue with you or go into detail about the types of analysis I used (as it was a mixture of "How many posts in this dataset contain links to referral sites?", "How many posts in this dataset contain a poor level of english?", "How many posts in the following 5 datasets contain XYZ" etc type prompts) as I wouldn't want to derail the thread. I didn't want my moderation staff to have to waste their time doing it so I used a mix of free and local AI tools. My workstation isn't exactly the best in terms of hardware but giving it a prompt and waiting 1-5 hours whilst it works away at it wasn't terrible.
>>107301354Well, this obviously never happenedBut if it ever does, you should shadow ban instead of normal ban. Let the bad ones live with other bad ones.
>>107301552Do you mean Israeli posters? Some got the ignore_range_login_bans flag on their accounts because they were genuinely good posters who contributed to the community but there was quite a bit of low quality posting, rule-breaking, posting porn into off-topic, referral links, etc. My forum only has 10 instant-ban rules, the rest are community guidelines that you're expected to follow. Things like "Always be kind and considerate, respect other users privacy, don't derail threads, don't insult others work, if you critique others work then post your own examples, do not try to pass off others work as your own, always credit the original work with a link back to their profile/website, don't post anything in the creator circle outside" etc.
>>107301634>>107301501>>107301521SAAAAARposting should be banned.
>>107301598What model did you use?
>107301665Including (You) and all mass reply fags who don't read the posts they're replying to
>>107301354Banning users from India, Russia, and Israel should be a default setting on all websites.
Made up schizo retard story>>107301476>AI tools>assess post quality Ya, you're also low IQ.Post proof or fuck off.
>>107301794Nta but you're dumb as brick. It's just a prompt away
Is banning Israel even worth it, as in does it make a considerable difference? Given their resources i'd expect any meaningful astroturf to have at least a handful of outside IPs at their disposal.
If you want to make an online service or forum in the current year, here's your guide: >IPv6 only (filters turd worlders and reduces crawlers)>range ban India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Romania, Israel, Africa, Russia, China>range ban all known VPN, VPS and cloud providers>banned groups can have a special sign up process where their account is flagged publicly as a "high risk user">after a certain amount of engagement and time they are only internally marked as high risk >zero tolerance policy on high risk users>one account per IP (this will fuck up mobile users, good)
>>107301354I did the same with my blog. I allow public comments and almost all of the spam, advertising, political, and inappropriate comments come from Russia, Ukraine, India, Israel, China, and VPNs. I hardly have to moderate the comments anymore.
>>107301961Shit I forgot the honorable mention for range bans, you also wanna hit western Florida so Eglin can't psyop your users
>>107301665You mean Indian posts, or anti-Indian posts? I hate Indians too, but the past year or so on 4chan has turned into a rent-free obsession with them. No matter what any thread says, there will always be a post saying, "But what about Indians? Don't you hate Indians? SAAAR SAAAR REDEEM THE BENCHOD" and the whole discussion just ends so everyone can seethe about Indians instead. Indians are ruining sites like Facebook, certainly, but I don't think they are ruining 4chan. I have never seen anyone say "saaar" unironically on this site, and I'm here every day.
>>107302220>I hate Indians too, butGood morning, saar.
>>107302220I say joomer psyops action>inb4 I'm an indian
>>107301354i just want to start killing them en masse
>>107301780Banning VPNs is also great advice for communities as it makes it more difficult for sock-puppeting/ban evasion.
>>107302271>indian hate is a psyopI don't think you're Indian, but I do think you're naive if you think the West's growing hatred for jeets is a psyop.
>>107302421I understand that specifically americans don't like being replaced in tech sector one bit, but I don't think the presence of indian shills on 4chan is nearly as claimed it is, I think those are just jews, just my gut feeling.
>>107302757>>107302421to add to this, you know divide and conquer? when you're too busy fighting "indians" jews will be busy picking your pocketsdon't get me wrong, a lot can be gained from forbidding indian in country labor and outsourcing and I will never deny that, just that I don't think there's plenty of indians shilling on the 4, I think it might be a jewish psyops, to keep you seething about indians, when in reality is the jews, and the end game is to attract real indians that take the bait and are made to anti-white shill, which is a job for the jews, but the indians would do it for free, because they just got baited, just like youthat's my vision
>>107301457God I wish but there's too much money to be made with this shit.
>>107302220If Indians weren't everywhere shitting up everything nobody would talk about them.
>>107301354SIR WHY DID YOU DID THIS?!!?!? THE POST IS OF THE HIGEST QUALITE.
>>107301354I call based.They should be happy they don't need Facebook to log in, an invite to register, and to give a blowjob to pass the interview.>>107302782What a weird slide with no actual central thesis.
>>107305188>when there's no actual counter argumentnice
>>107301354We truly are in the dark forest era of the internet, and it's only going to get worse.I have to disconnect for good and participate more in the real world more, where there's white people around.
larp thread
>>107305523it sure smells like it
>>107302220They're both posted by the same people retard
>>107301354Whats really depressing is china and india comprise of most activity online. Once you realize that, everything about online culture starts to make sense.
>>107302757No its because they are flooding the internet. Jeets have nothing to contribute except scamming or enshittifeying the internet.
>>107301961What if you made two identical versions of the website, one for jeets and one for everyone else, then redirect them automatically to the other website.
>>1073013544chan could clearly take a few lessons from you and your friends. Too bad they won't.
>>107301354I had to do same. Whitelisted usa and western EU. Shut off the rest. Bot farms and Ai trainers mostly. Dropped 95% of traffic with no downsides. Thank God for cloudflare
>>107301794I did same on my site. I'll bet you're fucking russian or indian. Go fuck yourself.
>>107302220Indian hands typed this
>>107305489>dark forest The analogy of a dark forest is one where only the naive make noise because they don’t realize how many dangers might be spying on them. I don’t see how it functions here
>>107308664You can't have anything in the public or it gets invaded by indians and israeli operatives
>>107301354BASEDI would do the same, but add skin color verification.
>>107301476I thought this behavior was from basement freaks in America. I've noticed a lot of vitriol outbursts and just retarded logic and seething on 4chan lately. I thought I was just browsing here too much... although... the complaining about jeets has ramped up a LOT this year (2025). Pol is mind broken by them. g/twg/ and other places are tooWondering if this is a anti jeet psyop or real. Any way to prove this?
>>107301961explain bangladesh and africa. romania I get because gypsies are basically poos, russia can be high quality but they are often autistic and the wrong sperg can cause lots of grief, and china is frequently a non-issue save for low effort spam which can come from anywhere to begin with. it feels like you added bangladesh because they seem brown (maybe they suck in private trackers but I don't follow that scene to know why) and africa because we hate niggers don't we anons haha.
>>107305523I can believe op but everyone else seems to be listing off the cunts of anons they personally hate
I'm Indian and I moved to the US this summer thanks to Trump allowing my family to immigrate. I receive no hate here and I think all of the anti-Indian hate is just manufactured. My friends and I all post on 4chan and we're always welcomed warmly.
>>107301354jeets ruined Quora and team blind forums completely, they are ruining youtube too with spam I need a YT uploader country filter
>>107306241>create decoy >becomes a jeetery>train your AI how to better filter their postsbased
>>107309427Poo in loo smelly jeet
>>107309630I'm eating curry right now.
>>107301521>is prohibitively expensiveEven if the OP meant '20k per week' to mean posts per week, it's not at all unreasonable to run all of those through a small e.g. 12-33B model on a pure GPU backend like ExLlama.20k posts/week is very close to 30 seconds per post. A typical forum post is probably in the range of 50-2000 tokens, plus maybe another 100 tokens for a simple prompt that's something to the effect of>Rate the quality of English in this post on a scale of 1-10. Your answer should be a single integer value, and absolutely nothing else.Assuming you're averaging something like 500 tokens/post, maybe using some ~27B model, my single RTX 3090 could easily do prompt digestion at 2,000 tokens/s, and then generation at something like 30 token/s, which in this case would only be maybe 5 tokens max (leaving some room for a few technical tokens). You could definitely get average execution time under half a second per post, potentially way fucking faster if you used a very small 3-7B model instead.You'd be right if the only options were unquantized 1T+ parameter models with thinking enabled, but I'm certain you don't need that for something as basic as this.
>>107309542Quora ruined quora by paying for questions.They got what they fucking deserved.
>>107301354Based but should've shadowbanned them or lock them to their own part of the website only them can access it
>>107301369I second thisPlease nuke India
>>107309842>and then generation at something like 30 token/sAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>107301354Kek great work op, if you are savvy to machine learning you could probably train a Naive Bayes model on the jeetposting data you have to automatically flag potential VPN users based on their patterns.Oh, also add Canada to your filter since it's like 50% Jeet/chink anyways
>>107309237>IndiaThe Great Satan of the internet. Everything they touch turns to poo. Click farms, low quality engagement, scrapers to train LLMs, they flood your system with useless traffic.>PakistanBasically the same as India, but usually because groups will use them as a VPN.>BangladeshSlight future proofing, as people wake up to the Indian problem, they will try branching out in order to continue exploiting the third world rather than change their ways. Also currently used as VPN edge nodes.>RomaniaLow quality euro traffic and VPN edge nodes, most are fine and can be allowed in with supervision>IsraelBasically no traffic you will get from them will be legitimate and good natured>AfricaSee Bangladesh, billionaires have been trying to get Africa on the net for years now, look at Kenya for a blueprint>RussiaMostly spam, bots and hackers will be visiting your site>ChinaSee Russia
>>107301961>IPv6 onlySmart people don’t use ipv6
>>107312241Switching to IPv6 will drastically reduce automated traffic to your system. Try it for a week and monitor your fail2ban logs. Why do you say otherwise?
>>107308960Yes. You can prove this by thinking of one instance that would not be made worse by the presence of jeets. When you realise there aren’t any you understand why everyone is sick of jeets.Sure MIGA posters on x amplify jeet hate as a distraction, but for the most part it’s organic.
>>107312254I meant users not hosts. IPv6 is disabled on my home network for obvious reasons.
>>107302220If you spend any amount of time at /int/ it becomes immediately obvious that 1) indian flags are awful posters and 2) loads of other flags are riddled with blatant indians, like one or two saudi flag pajeets. If all of these were removed then post quality would immediately go up. On Twitter for example they discovered that loads and loads of cuck racebait accounts were indian, these people are basically garbage and even if 10% aren't you could stand losing them if it got rid of the rest.
>>107312456Shut the fuck up
>>107312456Using AI for replies is pretty grim
>>107312283selling used furniture online. They eat that shit up
>>107301354Website? I want somewhere to actually discuss videogames.
>>107312456kek I give a clear explanation as to why I'd do a thing and you sperg out over a label. Post hands Rajesh
>>107301354>IsraeliIt's this little detail that makes me doubt your story.
>then everyone clapped>the name of that forum?>alberteinstein-channel.orgfuck pajeets though
>>107308960It makes sense really; India has good food and a small amount of decent voyeur pornography, but everything else we know about them is negative. Phone scammers, other sorts of scammers, the truly inhuman gang-rape stories, the fact they shit in the street...there's something for everyone when it comes to hating India. All the woke feminist websites hate India for not respecting women, all the C.H.U.Ds hate India for being smelly and foreign, and even if you're in between the two, like if you only ever post on Facebook and LinkedIn, you see so many bad posts from Indians and absolutely nothing good. It really says something that people hate India more than, say, Mauritania (where slavery was legal until 1981 and slave-owners couldn't be prosecuted until 2007) or the Democratic Republic of Congo (which is even worse than that).As for why it's become such a cultural paradigm to aggressively despise Indians in particular, I think it's just Dead Internet Theory again - for every opinion you see that feels sincere, there are 10-20 that just feel hollow and fake. But plenty of real humans just seem hollow and fake when you meet them, so I don't think you can prove they're bots.
/pol/ fud that only targets memeable or currently trending demographicsFails to mention Latin America/pol/ once again is entirely south american
>>107301354on 4chan it's latin americans/chicanos shitting up the website>>107314080b i n g o
>>107305188india is the only country that's still punching the air about england.
>>107314080>>107314751They're fine as long as you don't talk politics desune, not everywhere needs to be /pol/
Lying is an integral part of Indian society.That is their culture and if you don't like this you may be some kind of fascist, nazi, or a bunch of other derogatory terms.In the end, this still rings true, it's a no trust society.
Saars can we stop shitting on India?
Let me preface this with the fact that I hate all indians and most third worlders and think the world would be a better place by the next generation if they were all sterilized.That said, I don't think range banning is the appropriate first step.I would have personally done some sort of a "personal signups banned from this region. please send an email to X@X.X if you wish to have an account created for you." + some sort of probationary measure.That said, I understand I am not well versed on the moderation of niche forums. I know that Iwara (for MMD videos) has such a strict probationary measure for their website I'm still in probation after a year lmao.>just use the site normally bro, you'll get out of probation eventuallyIt's been a year, 50+ comments, hundreds of likes, various follows and friends and forum posts>ask admin about it>"yeah bro it's an automated thing once we're sure you're not a bad faith actor i.e. have enough positive interactions on the site"I have no idea what the fuck they think a reasonable profile of behavior is but I guess I don't pass lolBut if you don't care about new users from those regions potentially adding to the site then honestly that's fair game. You shouldn't have to cater to the entire world.The entire reason I brought up Iwara is, if I recall properly, their bad faith actors were mostly chinese (bots?), however a lot of their users are chinese so they couldn't just range ban them.
>>107312636>constantly trying to negotiate the price down to nothing>not even haggling, just demanding it be free>"you are not needing so why i can't take?">threats when you tell them to beat iti don't even respond to indians on marketplace anymore
>>107301661>don't post anything in the creator circle outsideHow is that kind of a thing enforced anyway.How would you know I, user X, posted the art found in the circle on another website as user Y, provided I'm not retarded enough to link the accounts or use the same username.>>107301961>>IPv6 only (filters turd worlders and reduces crawlers)>mfw I disabled my IPv6 because a few certain websites somehow detect it through the (free and shitty) VPN I use>never bother turning it back on when not using the VPNNo, anon, your site...not like this...>>107312301What are the obvious reasons?>>107302757Many places have seemingly turned indian locally IRL after what feels like only a few months. It may not be happening to you IRL or professionally but don't discount the kinds of lives other people may be living.It's not at all that everyone would have your thoughts and opinions had only they received the same propaganda you did.
>>107309237>>107312228Bangladesh is a now issue because paid botfarms often operate out of Kutupalong refugee camp.
>>107312456>We're not flooding; we're flooding the marketYou alright, metal boy
We need to, and I am 100% sure we WILL go back to national networks within the next 10-20 years. The whole "interacting with the whole world" thing has backfired spectacularly, most of them aren't even worth a second of your time. I would ideally only ever want to interact from people from my own country.
>>107316708I would say sphere of influence.Back when I still talked to people half of the community was europeans and the other half americans, save for the odd couple of brazilians who also hated other brazilians.
>>107305489It will get better. Threads like this mean people are seeing the problems, give it a few years. It WILL mean an end to anonymity unfortunately, that could only ever work with a majority first world userbase so the chilling effect of identities will still be in place but it's better than nothing.
>>107316708I want to speak to the anglosphere, europe, sk/japan, maybe russians but on a tight leash, and everyone else can be reduced to 1% traffic (Indiasphere 0%). You know, like when the web was good.
>>107302220indians became a forced meme obsession when jew hate had reached an all time high and was well on its way to normiesphere. 4chan went down and when it came back up, suddenly it was always the indians, never the jews.usual tactics by the usual suspects.
>>107316708Ending white, european-led colonialism, giving the lesser races independence and treating them as our equals was the biggest mistake in human history. Look at where we're today.
>>107301354Geoblocking is going to become mainstream. People are sick of the global internet. Smarter people are actively thinking about the old internet and how to recreate it based on the principles and traits it had, rather than just whining and saying they miss it. There's some novelty things like Neocities, but I think there's going to be a concerted effort to create walled off forums free of bots and AI.
>>107312228I don't believe the logic follows. no one's going to invest billions just to build spam infra lol. and most of the investment is from china anyways>>107316659interesting
>>107301354Good call, India especially, is shit.>wife bought a new table cloth for Thanksgiving>open it up>smells like shit>check country of origin>IndiaEverytime.
>>107316657>IPv6 filters out turd worlders>anon complains that he gets filtered>>107317386That's not the direct goal, buddy. That's a side effect of outsourcing labor, is they then have the infrastructure, low operating costs, and schools and classes literally setup to get locals into the field. How do you think indians became such a fucking nuisance?
>>107317622That's some whack looking hologram. Did he sense a disturbance in the force at the end?
>making up fake stories to epicly own foreigners
>>107301354I've thought of some potential verification methods for banning the third world:1. IP range bans (ban data center and VPN ips as well)2. Requiring a phone number a whitelisted country3. An educational email from certain institutions (you'll get some international students, but honestly I think they're fine) or work emails (maybe less effective for some outsourcing-heavy firms)4. Credit card bin check for whitelisted locations + banning prepaid and virtual cards from registering (you could use stripe for this)5. ID checks6. Live interview processThey're in increasing order of extremeness, but the internet has gotten so bad level 4 is starting to look reasonable.
>>107308419You don't need cloudflare for that. $35 for the latest updated maxmind geolocation db does the same and it's supported by every major webserver.
India should be range banned by default by every single website.There's quite literally zero downsides to doing that. It's not like they're even paying customers for anyone as they're poor as hell.Let the fecaloids build their own online environment. There's so many of them that they should be easily able to have their own online space with their own cultural bullshit going on that no one else cares about.But just like in real life, these dumbfucks insist on hanging out around any other group of people than their own kind.
>>107317738>IPv6 filters out turd worlders>anon complains that he gets filteredNah, I'm in the US. I have to use VPNs to get around JP sites geoblocking us due to retards.>payment processors deciding X sites can't sell perfectly legal whatever just because they don't like it>retards raiding new social media network causing the admin to geoblock everyone not JPEtc.
>>107301840The proxy is going to cost a few shekels, and that's a few too many.
>>107301354My ip changes if I have to reset my modem and im assuming if the power goes out so the good posters you gave an IP pass to probably have the same dynamic IP thing. Which means you probably also banned them with the range ban they just dont know it yet? Poor dudes.
I always had issues with my server and as soon as I geoblocked India and Israel IPs, the attacks and CP stopped.
>>107308960SAAAAAAAAAR
>>107317738the poos are bad because they have a culture of scamming. they believe it's your fault for being dumb if you fall for it. the average human is not enough of a sociopath to take on these jobs lol. even china largely relies on kidnapping and blackmail (in dubai and myanmar) to keep their scam operations going. if there is an industry in africa it won't be big.
>>107318913Life is hard on these streets nigga, I feel you>>107319366The African is a creature of habit, of low time preference, of laziness and general malaise. He will do whatever is the least path of resistance in the shortest amount of time, whether it is to steal or to trade, the motive is the same. If you show them how to get online, they will cheat the system, they will scam you, they will nepo hire their nigger friends, because that is the quickest and easiest nig loop. The Indian will do this with pride, wearing their shame as a badge of honor. The African won't even think about it.
>>107316657> What are the obvious reasons?-dogshit implementation-easier self hosting-halves attack surface-host of security issues added by IPv6-it was only introduced to allow the turd world into the internetThe white man says “no” to ipv6
>>107318525Cloudflare is free and just werks I just banned Netherlands yesterday, appears every proxy must work out of there.
BasedAre there ip range lists for vpn ip ranges and vps hoster?4chan has banned them all too so there must be an open list of themIm launching a service and will do the same, make the internet great again
>>107301354>>>/lit/you're attempt at fiction sucks little timmhy!
