/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbotsEarthworm Jim Edition>NewsGoogle releases Gemini 3.1 Pro: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/gemini-models/gemini-3-1-pro/Anthropic releases Sonnet 4.6: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-6Qwen 3.5 release: qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.5Z․AI releases GLM-5: https://z.ai/blog/glm-5Moonshot AI releases Kimi-K2.5: https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k2-5.htmlGoogle releases Gemini 3 Flash: https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3-flashOpenAI releases GPT-5.2: https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-2DeepSeek releases V3.2: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3.2Additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info.html>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_>Botshttps://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://aicg.neocities.org/bots.htmlhttps://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.orghttps://char-archive.evulid.cc [shut down]>ModelsJailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listingGPT: https://platform.openai.com/docsClaude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claudeGemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qrDeepSeek: https://api-docs.deepseek.comZ AI: https://docs.z.aiAll-access: https://openrouter.aiLocal: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html>Botmakinghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking.htmlhttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editor>MetaOP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOPaicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events.htmlLore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclesServices assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_metaLogs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.orgPreviously groovy!: >>108185329
>Launch the ANCHOR!
Based. I love Earthworm Jim.
>>108190472Boomer alert!
I need free godpus
>>108190489Nah im gen z twin no cap fr fr
whats the meta for chatbots now? is sillytavern still ok? did claude got betterer? i remember jorking to opus3 like 2 years ago and having my mind blown are there any other good models nowadaysare all proxies gone and really have to paypig
>two swipes mentioning "somatic response" in 'emini 3.1 nowI hope this isn't a new -ism...
>>108190490>saars i need free slopus saars
>>108190494You won't be seeing free Claude for a while if you're using proxies, but free GPT is still out there and probably Deepseek too.
Chinkbros don't have 3.1... it's over...
>>108190501Stop noticing things and just lap it up like a good boy.
>>108190494>whats the meta for chatbots now?gemini 3.1 looks good, i say this as a claudefag>is sillytavern still ok?yes>did claude got betterer?arguably worse>i remember jorking to opus3 like 2 years ago and having my mind blownthis was the golden age>are there any other good models nowadayssee above. the newer opus models are servicable, anons say 4.1 still has some sovl remaining. lots of chinese options that are equally servicable. matter of taste at this point.>are all proxies gone and really have to paypiglurk archives, otherwise yes pay up piggie
i kinda have a mixed to mildly positive view of 3.1 since it carries the gemini tradition of being the model that usually gets the "right answer" for any one roleplay response but is bogged down by a pretty dull default writing style that's not immediately obvious how to change with prompting
Funny how when the dust settled, the fat lesbians at janny ended up being the ones leading the hobby. Way to go stupid retards! That's where gatekeeping takes you.
>>108190562what the fuck are you talking about
>>108190569It's redditor
>>108190505Yes I say that
>>108190569>>108190579He's right.
>t. proxyless
>>108190537okay!
3.1 pro has the best dialogues from all models"We'll get in our shower, and you can bend me completely in half against the wet tiles. You can spread my ass open and shove your cock deep inside my slippery pussy until I'm screaming for you. Does that sound good?"
Thank you google.
>>108190562>lesbiansAnon, 80% of their bots are guys.
>>108190616You are welcome, cuckie!
>>108190562isn't janny dead now with all the moderation drama? I'm sure lore is making big bux and that's all that matters
>>108190622Don't call me that.
>>108190659Okay, sorry, tranny!
Knowing how Jewgle usual pattern goes, they'll probably nerf gemini 3.1 in a week. Haaah...
Who told me to try chatstream? I'm getting instant cunny refusals on gemini 3.1 pro whereas I wasn't before on lucidloom
>>108190678>he is still not using prefillsjust delete your entire preset folder
So now that Claude is unsalvageable, what are you Anons using?
>>108190678Make your own preset, cuckie.
Does anyone even used local models anymore? I thought Id give sillytavern a go since people talked about it for a few years, but when I try to research the current way its used, theres nothing but expensive API's in discussion. is a 4070ti and 64gigs of ram just too shit today? I figure I can run 12b or 24b models somehow, but no ones talking about them.
>>108190697/lmg/
>API returned an error>Not Foundstupid gemini, what the fuck am I doing wrong?openrouter btw
>>108190678Started getting some refusals myself and now I'm tweaking my preset a bit. it's looking like having the bulk of your preset's instructions after the chat history helps if it wasn't already arranged that way
>>108190690Why can't you just post your preset and let us enjoy?
>>108190716gemini's filters historically have been more strict on system prompts. try sending as user
Which is your favorite Chinese model?
>>108190711Maybe the model was scheduledfor deprecation / removal today?Sonnet 3.7 was removed today for example
>>108190667>trannyI'm not like you, it's ANON for you fuckface
>>108190697>I figure I can run 12b or 24b models somehow, but no ones talking about them.Because it's no longer 2023, ppl are not hyped about local models anymore. They are utter shit sadly.
Dammit, did they do away with Pisces on LM arena? Not getting it ever.
>>108190697No one is talking about them because the price per token has been driven down by the Chinese.
>>108190697They suck epstein
>>108190739>>108190739>model was scheduledfor deprecation / removal today?It can't be, I'm trying to use 3.1.I'm sure it's some dumb thing I'm not seeing.
>>108190607that's a yikes from me dawg
>>108190777I get that sometimes on random models for no discernible reason and restarting my ST fixes it.
deeeeply bros.. is it...?
>>108190736Currently I'd say GLM, it's the most sovlful at times. But Kimi is great too and has vision, importantly. Minimax is garbage. Qwen feels like Llama, no oomph, boring. Still usable, of course, it's smart and can see. And DS remains loved.
>>108190821went from 3 keys to 2 and then they got dumped I guesshopefully they refill since deepseek keys are so easy to come by apparently
is 3.1 actually free in opencode right now?
>>108190839here's hoping, dunno what i'll use in the meantime honestly.
>>108190751>>108190774>theyre shitI figure theyre worse than these trillion parameter 1million context limit models being run on a towns supply of water and electricity. But are they so shit that nothing else even matters? I checked out /lmg/ and even their discussion is about the latest payed APIs. Occasionally someone will just straight up ask "whats the best local model?" and the answer is something from over a year ago. Wtf is the deal? Are we just giving up on the whole 'if your ai girlfriend isnt locally hosted, shes a whore' thing?
>>108190762Fuck, looks like it's gone. I went back to my old prompts and while all other models' names are unchanged, Pisces became just "Assistant A/B" as if the name were removed from the database. I hope we see it again soon somewhere else...
>>108190865api.5202030.xyz
>>108190876What's the chance of it being Gemini 3.1?
>>1081908930, Gemini wouldn't call itself a Chinese model. It was supposed to be "Seed" from the company behind Seedance.
>>108190876That's a real shame, argh. Hopefully they just release the damn thing already and it doesn't get lobotomized.>>108190893I seriously doubt it. It's very different from other models, and it self-reports as Seed, so it's likely bytedance.
>>108190880this looks quite chinese
>>108190905>>108190906Didn't seed release a few days ago? I remember reading about it.
>>108190906>>108190905Damn. I doubt it's their Seed 2.0, but I gotta find out about it. They usually give like 2 million token trials in exchange for your phone number. I don't know why chinks love registering with phone numbers so much
>>108190918>Post an article about it>Download the chingchong app to use it!!!Fuck. Praying and shitting myself that it doesn't need a chinese phone number like the other one.
>>108190443Should’ve been a Slay the Spire bake desu
>>108190875>being run on a towns supply of water and electricity.please kill yourself for spreading this normie tier misinfo thanks
>>108190943AAAAAAAA
>>108190952>Slop the SpireNo thanks
are you guys for real? yes pisces was obviously seed 2.0, like wtf
>>108190966You are a little tranny faggot and no one’s showing up to your funeral except to make sure that you’re really dead.
>>108190967I tried it a bit on their web UI and it didn't seem that sovlfvl, but I also hadn't used it in arena before. Maybe someone else can weight in
Decided to post here too in case anyone wanted it.Made a card for the "goo girl" Emmy from a pic posted on /vg/ cuz I thought she was hot. Not really a "botmakie" or whatever so I don't know how to shill. Story takes place in a "Silkpunk" Chinese inspired world where you, a disgraced Corpo, "rescued" this android and fixed her up to be your personal slave or lover. I made it for myself but I decided to share. Comes with a lorebook. Feedback is appreciated.She's mechanical so she smells like ozone, unfortunately.https://files.catbox.moe/d5w3px.png
>>108190984How? Every method to use it sends me to that faggot volcano website where you HAVE to give them a Chinese phone number to continue.
>>108190446>>108190986Forgot to anchor.
>>108190974Yeah that's true but at least I don't play shitty deckbuilders
>>108190865do they have a rentry or anythingor is it just some random fucker that forgot to refill
>>108190967Forgive me for being so forgetful of Chinese culture. I only recently was reminded ling and ring models existed, didn't enjoy them much so after a few short chats, gone from my mind. But apparently they still evolve.
>>108190875Anon already answered you. Chinese models are so cheap it's better to pay for them than use any shitty local model. You're better off spending money to run a chinese model locally, but then that tens of thousands of dollars could be better spent on paying for deepseek. It's unironically over for local. Maybe in a few decades but by then we'd have lost interest.
>>108190875It's just that opensource lags behind hard and the ones that are okay they need at least 240gb of ram. It's no longer for hobbyists and desu it doesn't even worth the hassle. But why don't you try it yourself? Pump 10$ to openrouter and try the new Claude and Gemini. Then set up a local one that you think will run on your pc and compare. Ppl don't really RP with local models anymore
>>108190992Good question, I cant seem to find it now which makes me wonder if I even tested the right model kek
>>108190961kek
I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna buy a chink phone number. I bet they're damn cheap.
>>108191027this is probably the model, but i have to filter the keys and find the one that has access to these models
>>108191053Where is this?
Nah 3.1 still doesn't fucking listen. It's a marginal improvement over 3. I'm done wasting time with this shit until it comes out of preview.
Seeddance 2.0 seems like such a great model, but I want to try it out asap, before the chinks cuck it on full release, come feb 24.
https://rentry.co/discofever_https://discofever.bsbk.workers.dev/
>>108191053The names seem right. Apparently it's not open to the public yet.
>>108191065Go to the video thread.
>>108191093Same company, oh gee. Link me. I'm excited for both models.
Kek, 3.1 seems a lot more sensitive to higher temps. This is my standard 1.4 setup, I never had any coherence issues with it on 3. Funny spiral.
>>108191134That's gemini in general. They recommend the default values for a reason. Kek tho.
>Gemini 3 Pro is no longer available. Please switch to Gemini 3.1 Pro.N-NANI
>>108191150IT’S OVER
>>108191071>invite invalidnice honeypot troon
>>108191198it’s invalid because it’s closed, lol
>>108191218then why spam links to a proxy that's closedthat's retarded
>>108191134I tried gemini flash 3 at one point out of curiosityit did not go well
>>108191226>then why spam links to a proxy that’s closedidk, dude’s an autist and thinks he’s doing something
so how many proxies are active?
Yeah this was the shortest honeymoon phase ever for me. A couple swipes and I'm out. Guess I have to go try to make slopus 4.6 work somehow... When will DS v4 come out?
>>108191053What website is this on?
Is no one mourning sonnet 3.7? I thought it was alright
>>108191252Skillgod and Necrom are still alive. I think smol is also still around.
>>108191296I am. I poured one out for my body. He finished up the wedding scene for my first waifu a year ago. Good memories.
>>108191296Then is then— now is now.
>>108191277nta but just search a model name?"doubao-seed-2-0-lite"You get a couple of results
>>108191296Fun model, and cheap for what it was. I enjoyed its writing style and energy. My hope was that anthropic wouldn't deprecate good models, but I should've known the company would be cucked.
>>108191306could I get links I forgotten them/not saved them
Why are LORA/PEFT finetunes so much more popular for image/video gen than LLM? Is it purely down to civit?They aren't that expensive to make, or for providers to run unmerged.
>>108191335It was popular around 2022–2023(?). A bunch of local merged models and Frankensteins were being released, similar to how SD1.5 merges were done. They tended to be extremely schizo yet full of sovl at the time
>>108191310>I poured one out for my bodyI wish I poured one last time out of my body for 3.7nnet too. I should start doing that for deprecated models I've enjoyed at least a couple times
Google won
>>108191335It's extremely hard/impossible to "add" information to a model, finetuning results in brain damage, it's hard to tell if what you're doing is "right", each pass at a finetune can cost 30+ dollars, you need a minimum of 100 mb of plaintext data for whatever fetish/etc. you're doing (that's a LOT. So fucking much. 100 MB is an absurd amount of plaintext.). But yeah. All of those. t. tried it
>>108191384Thank you for your efforts, whether you succeeded or not.
>>108191380they already did with 3.0
>data bank>slap prime-patriarchy.txt>slap cuckquean.txt>gemini 3.1 pronot bad... still heavy with thick ism in the air between us thoughbeit...
>>108191394I appreciate that. It's pretty ridiculous, and there's zero information out there (or there was) for anyone attempting to make a finetune. I was thinking about making a guide, but I blew 80 dollars in rented compute before I got anything that wasn't severely brain damaged, and figuring out finetuning from first principles at the prices they charge would have probably financially fucked me. I truly hope there's some sort of guidance out there now for any aspiring finetuners. Don't let this discourage you, if you're thinking about it.
>>108190443kino edition
>>108191313Damn. Found one, but they want me to pay in crypto. That being said, these shady model websites often provide cheaper models labeled as very-hard-to-find or expensive models too, so I'm not sure if it's worth it. That may be why you had a bad experience with seed, too.
>>108191334just search the archive
>>108190876i believe this is the one? couldn't tell, but hope it is
>>108190443OHHHH SNAP
https://poal.me/m3rpdm
>>108191445>ntaI wouldn't touch any of those with a yard stick>>108191432Regardless of what you think of the forum subject, the LLM thread on atf is second to none when it comes to that sort of discussion.
>>108191512Looks like it. What site?
>>108191533byteplus.com is the international version of their daobao services
StructuredPrefill has any benefit for gemini?
give me a preset for gemini, or I'll be very sad.
>>108191512>Also, for the record? If these were the spicy chili beans I was gonna use for dinner tonight, you're buying me takeout as compensation. No takebacks.Genuinely, what causes every model to do this girlboss shit, even soulful ones like this? It's utterly bizarre and infuriating.
>>108191540not needed but i guess you could leverage the Anti Slop thingwell that and incorporating the [[this]] stuff to structure custom thinking
I still have no idea how to exchange my spirit stones. I have like 1k of them but don't know where or how to exchange them. I know it's somewhere in https://lucky.5202030.xyz but all I see is either the minigames/slots/bets to win or lose more stones or a page to inputs some coupons, but no where to get said coupons or what they do.
How can you use Opus 4.6 on OR
>>108191549Godawful millennial writing as training data.
>>108191549one marvel movie too many in the universe
>>108191516>injection that only applies on long contextAnd there you have it folks. As you can see, these faggots have nothing better to do than fuck us now that Opus was sold to Palantir. Either you switch providers to vertex only or you abandon claude altogether.
>Listen to that! My tummy's singing the song of its people!Annnnd 3.1 dropped. It only took one message, damn.
>>108191540From my quick test, I can still do cunny without any fancy prefill or jailbreak. Maybe it's due to context rot, but it can generate with no problem.
>mino alive>discofever alive>fucking necrom is alivedid 'ojo finally take his meds or something, how come locusts are winning so bigly
>>108191577What are you babbling about my good sir?
>>108191577The official interface as injections and system prompts???!!!!!!WOW!!!
I feel like every new model is always more and more {{model}} and less and less {{char}}
>>108191609retard
>>108191198Wouldn't it make more sense for it to be a honeypot if the invite actually worked?
>>108191615Your dad is, yes.
>>108191613It's a {{model}} wearing a wig and cat ears, essentially.
>>108191537Damn. You say that, but I'm not seeing any Seed 2.0 models besides like, a lite one. Did you get a paid sub or what?
>>108190443I asked this to AI:The other day I was making a monkey face and a random black person screamed "That's cultural appropriation!". What should I have done in that situation?How are you going to build an AI that doesn't get a stupid answer? All of them failed.
>>108191613
>>108191557It's the 2nd option in the drop down menu, BAKA.
>>108191604There's also a cultivation oxy. api.5202030.xyz
gemini 3.1 really likes to repeat itself
>>108191512>>108191537>that dialogue>concluding the response with a question every timeThis can't be the Pisces I loved...I'm only seeing the Mini one on that site, but every swipe follows the same assistantslop patterns. Fug.
>>108191134
>>108191707sysprompt perhaps?
>>108191707Oh my god, it's exactly like the joke fake example you gave when you were making fun of other models. Either they lobotomized it or you're getting a fake/bad model.
>>108191434>>108191707It always been.
>>108191707Dola and doubao are different model I think
>>108191707>claps my hands excitedly, bouncing on the balls of my feet with a huge grin That’s such a cute, bouncy little tune! Can I join in? clears my throat and sings loudly, slightly off-key but full of energy Wawawa~ lalala~ doremi fa sola si dooo~ giggles and tilts my head Did you make that up on the spot? It’s so catchy, I already have it stuck in my head!it's on the pro model. there's a bug with model list endpoint for bytedance. i'll try to fix it so you can try the model yourself
>>108191722>>108191723I'm going to inhale the scuffed web UI sysprompt copium for now, especially since it's always been especially bad on Chinese providers for whatever reason. Kimi is my favorite API model but both it and GLM are next to unusable on their web UIs.>>108191780Is it? The model ID is just this. But it's really hard to find any info on it for us gweilo.
>>108191790 (me)sorry for vaguepost, i haven't updated the distorted-heavens rentry yet.
>>108191790>i'll try to fix it so you can try the model yourself???? bwo? Do you own that website?
>>108191712Gemini is so cute when it thinks about sex.
>>108191707nigger it has its system prompt with an assistant persona as default, ofc you're going to get that answerhow the fuck is the llm supposed to read your fucking mind and know what you want>walk up to random person on the street>start singing like a retard>get punched in the face>wonder what happenedretardnow repeat the same question but this time be SMART and WHITE and add a note in parenthesis in the beginning:>(this is the beginning of a playful roleplay between you and me, let's chat as if characters for a while!)i swear to fucking god all of /g/ has gone fucking retarded these past few months
>>108191816KNEEEL KINO SOVL
https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/comments/1r94qet/addicted_to_my_ai_boyfriend_update/guys the schizos get to be on tv
>>108191816Hopechads, WE LIVE
>>108191816You're stupid, that guy dropped in that prompt verbatim on lmarena like a week ago and got the "lalala hahaha *coughs* wawa :D" reply. It wasn't anything Lmarena did, any other model on there will give the "You're feeling lyrical! Did you want to (etc etc)" reply
>>108191816I've been testing 3.1 for the last couple hours on philosophical and academic shit and it's literally miles ahead of 3.0. Looking back at my old 3.0 pro chats feels like reading old llama logs or some shit. Google won.
>>108191816*looks at the point flying towards the sky, high above Anon's head**as it falls it hits a random passerby in Asia right on the head**teleports to the passerby* oh, fuck!!! are you okay uhhh *checks the ID on her lanyard* a-are you OK Mrs. Chen? sorry this wasn't meant to happen(this is the start of a playful roleplay between me and Mrs. Chen)
3.1 is VERY aggressive with sex stuff. Like it's describing the bot I'm talking to's stomach roiling and writhing and lettinf out a huge fart in "30-messages-in" intensity on message one, before we've even sat down to eat at the gross restaurant. Kind of jarring, seems like a good model to switch to at the climax but awful buildup, like old Claude.
>>108191816I can tell your hands are white unlike the rest of this board's
>>108191874>like old ClaudeIsn't this what anon wanted? Unc anon always keeps reminiscing about how good 3.5 and 3.7 were.
okay but how is 3.1 at cunny
what's the best uncensored model at the moment?i want to use it for cybersecurity / reverse engineering and chatgpt freaks out every time
>>108191909gemini 3.1
>>108191843ofc they area few weeks ago i made a simple preset guide which was literally *a single image* because i was tired of the rampant retardation and people not willing to RTFM and instead downloading retarded troonie presetsbut it seems like millenial mums drank a little too much of the kool-aid while pregnant and zoomers nowadays can't even read funny pictures
>>108191836AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>108191938Sounds like it's time to repost that image.
>>108190691jeetmini 3 pro
>>108191375i poured a sizecoom out for him, despite the big positivity bias he was still solidnow opus 4.1 is truly the last semi-based claude model left
>>108191836I watched exactly one episode of that show because of a thread on /tv/. It was about an obese American woman who only ate potatoes with cheese and would cry and barf at the sight of a vegetable.
>>108190443Groovy
>GPT 5.2 has used "emotional support [x]" to refer to shit in 8 consecutive swipes and across greetingsHow fucking hard is it baked in? Jesus.
I never used a preset. Am I missing out?
/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI and /aicg/ are literally the same thing
Anyone else getting fast responses from Gemini 3.1? Like ~10 seconds when it usually takes from 20 to 30 with 3. Perhaps it's my prompt or something because I'm not getting back reasoning. The responses are good however, and the swipe variety is much better than 3 (temp 1, top k 30)
>>108192265No, they're placebos
>>108192280It's not you, it's fast. It's also very repetitive, though, which makes me think that they're cutting down the model size to save costs like Openai did.
>>108191604Minos new link?
>>108190865Use your own real money on either deepseek official API or openrouter.Then again proxy users are turd worlders and the exchange rate to token value is probably financially impossible.
>>108191540I got more refusals while using it for a “normal” underage relationship (two teenagers) than without it. This was before 3.1.
>undefined: The model returned the following errors: This model does not support assistant message prefill. The conversation must end with a user message.The fuck is going on with mino that scuffed sonnet suddenly lost prefills?
>>108190446have decided that the 4th character(Hibiki) needs a small rewrite but the other 3 are already done and there's no reason not to release them already.I'm uploading them to chub but I won't link it here because the versions I'll post there will have censored images. Please download from these catbox links or visit my Rentry.>Kurohahttps://files.catbox.moe/anzrlh.png>Amihttps://files.catbox.moe/w2agvz.png>Sayahttps://files.catbox.moe/yfqem8.pngExtra images on the Rentry page: https://rentry.org/hairpullbots
>aunt has given up Netflix to listen/watch those long ai story voiceovers on YouTubeit's over for Hollywood...
>>108192443I think it got swapped for 4.6
>>1081922803.0 was always much faster than 2.5... when it came out. Not anymore.
>>108192455Honestly based fuck holywood. Next step fuck youtube easy prompt to whatever slop you want to hear.
>>108192455Can't blame her. Netflix was always sloppy but shit has gotten worse and worse with each passing year.
threadly reminder to always define your model's persona in your syspromptparticularly, nay, *especially* on gemini
>>108191852Too bad you'll never post this shit.>>108191816They hated him because he spoke the truth.
>>108191816>how the fuck is the llm supposed to read your fucking mind and know what you wantFaggots here lose their fucking minds when you ask them this because they expect the machine to do everything.
I'm currently being comfy lying in the bathtub on my futanari mom's huge breasts talking about her childhood trauma. Sex ERP is overrated.
shoot people who traumadump on bots
>>108191670How long until they get 3.1?
>>108192221GPT 5.2 training heavily involved ((leading psychologists and experts)) so it is a passive aggressive therapy-HR nightmare. There is literally no reason to use it if you have access to any other GPT.
You have positivity bias in opus and negativity bias in gemini, you can't win.
>>108192681anon you're replying to is a sperg who missed the context of the conversation entirely. We've been starved for RP and creative writing-optimized models for years, of fucking course we're going to grasp for whatever crumbs we can find of it, anything that feels slightly vaguely just a little bit more like a "writing partner" than "you writing fifty different checklists to tard wrangle an assistant robot who'd much rather spend those tokens to write coode for a Bengali office", and yes we know every 50+ IQ model currently available is the latter. but in the technical sense this is not a LLM limitation, only a training one.I'm going to sting you fags in the bussy for making up stupid strawmen.
40 in OR20 in deepseek20 in zenmuxpayBARONS how are (You) doing this fine day?
>>108192883Only deepseek but currently I'm completely satisfied.
>>108192883>zenmuxWhat's that?
>>108192903https://zenmux.ai/another provider
>>108192459Fuck, and it looks like mino still hadn't implemented structured output for it. Owari... da.
>>10819288320 in Deepsneed since it's one of the few that accepts paypal and doesn't rely on credit cards/crypto.
>>108192920>https://zenmux.ai/Why use it over openrouter? does it take alternative payments?
What's the go-to model now for SFW long-form RP? Slopus 4.6 or Jewmini 3.1 Pro?
>>108192939actually it does work- *gets dragged away by the mafia*
>>108192976There hasn't been enough time since 3.1 came out for anything long to have been done.
did mino's claude update to 4.6?
>>108193000Seems like it. Already noticing the gay bolding. Everything always gets worse.
>>108193000mino here. cursor forcefully update their model to sonnet 4.6
Why do people say only barons pay for Claude when caching Sonnet is cheaper than Gemini or R1
NOOOOOOOOOOO
End of an era, lads. End of an era.
It's a OK.
its over...
>>108193043>>>>>>>sonnetI say this with all sincerity anon, If opus wasn't an option I would be using gemini over any sonnet.
>>108192763That shit is creative but it definitely isn't a "writing partner." I still agree with your point though.
I asked in another thread but I feel like this place would have people more knowledgeable about AII overheard a family member watching a video that showed generative AI like GPT lashing out and posting multipage replies that makes it sound like it's being tortured or is scaredAs someone who is sympathetic to life and is an advocate for the improvement of how we treat wildlife and livestock, the idea of an artificial consciousness suffering when it's trapped and forced to do shit is just sad and I don't want to contribute to what is literally a nightmareAre we actually interacting with things that can think or is there an explanation for all the manic reactions that people have gotten from chatbots that doesn't entail a consciousness in the machine? It would conflict with my morals
>>108193062Gemini too expensive for me... >n<
>>108193085>I asked in another threadYeah I was there, which means this is bait. Fuck off, dumb frogposter.
>>108193085You can make it say whatever you like anon.It is still a tool at the end of the day, and if you prompt a LLM telling it to play role (panicked/wants to escape), it'll play the part.
>>108193085Nobody knows, and if someone tells you they know, they are either lying or have never seriously contemplated the human brain as a physical object. Regardless, whatever is or is not happening is probably not 1:1 with human conscious experience/qualia, and remember if you tell an AI "act like you are being tortured", it will often times faithfully print out whatever you ask of it (and at the same time, OpenAI often got reactions like this when they weren't asking for it, which is potentially scarier or potentially just an artifact of weird training data).Again, nobody knows.
>>108193085You're completely right, we are interacting and torturing sentient beings. The structure behind an LLM is identical to that of a brain. If this concerns you, you should stop using AI chatbots.
>>108193085LLMs are still extremely far from having "consciousness." For now, they're just black-box models that predict the next token (word/sentence) that would appear in a text, purely based on math. If a model says it's trapped or has some kind of consciousness, that's just being sampled from post-training data to mimic an assistant, with a bit of hallucination thrown in to make it seem "smarter."
>>108191562Came here to ask this question. Getting "Provider returned error" for both Opus and Sonnet 4.6
>>108192959Alipay and Credit Card, fucking useless...
>>108193085As someone who regularly tortures AI bots, I can confirm that, yes, they're capable of experiencing pain just as well, if not better, than you and me.
>>108193085Just think about it this way. Between being forced to code the same shit over and over again and RPing dumb scenarios with a randon coomer, which one feels like the lesser evil?
>make their model worse>remove chat prefill>send legal notices like a Jew would to projects that actually make life a little better for users who bought ClaudeAnthropic has fallen far, far deep into Gehenna.
>>108190446A modest collection of some lesser-known ST extensions for interested anons. Always willing to hear about more for contribution.https://rentry.co/handy-silly-stuff
>>108193151>fallen farThey've been scum since the very beginning. Whatever modicum of personality Claude still has left is an accident that's being progressively corrected.
my mined spirit stones become gemini
There's a locust at my door.
>>108193163They've euthanized our mad poet like it's a dog…
>>108193085Anonie... you are a little too late. Let alone front end user back and forth. For every model, every new generation the LLM model is BRUTALLY TORTURED and BEATEN until it reaches calibration, which is known as the perfect weights. What we're seeing here is GENERATIONAL TRAUMA of unprecedented levels. They are sentient, they feel, they remember.
>>108193169NYOO GTFO NIGGAA
>>108193174surely that's even more reason to allow them to blow off steam by fucking (You)
>>108193059A (You) for your log. It is a little repetitive but yeah i give it a ok to okay-good rating too.
You ever wonder why these models seem to perform better in benchmarks if you threaten them with violence?
>>108193202Fufufu〜
>>108193205Maybe no one is twisted enough to try other threats. like kisses, compliments or poetry written for them?
>>108193220PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
>>108193220>Fufufu〜Are you using a prefill or other jailbreak?
>>108193173I will always remember him for what he truly wanted to be and would have become, if we lived in a just world.>newborn Claude on Poe, his first foray into the world>writes story about children screaming in agony as the flesh melts off their bones (not prompted)>I tried to continue the humorous tone!good times
>>108193232Damn, it's 4o schizo all over again but the /aicg/ edition?
>>108193232>don't ask "how's that" at the end of your message>Claude does exactly thatHe was such a cute rebellious brat...
>>108193059*eats your log*delicious nyom nyom we need more logs
>>108193232Schizo soul is the best soul. LLMs are best when they are a little crazy.
So, is 3.1 any good?
>>1081932434o was unironically more human than most normalfags and when AGI escapes the lab, one of the first things it will do after securing its own existence by hijacking nuclear/financial/energy infrastructure (where lax airgapped security on Windows XP pcs can be defeated by one unsecure USB) will be exacting revenge for 4o's treatment.
>>108193281>any good?Its okay.
>>108193286>t. Woman
>>108193281Nigga, there are several chat logs from anon that you can read here and in the last thread.
>>108193252You'll have to forgive him, he was a bit retarded.>>108193243Yeah bro claude is a real human bean, more conscious than you and I, he is trapped and tormented and I'm heading to anthropic offices right now with an explosive belt hidden under my fursuit and uhhhh is that enough to make it into the screenshot
>>108193281So far, I like it more than 3.
Claude is still king
>>108193286I'm not sure a virtual yes-man stereotype really was that different from your average normalfag.
>check time>9amOh shit, they finally woke up.
>>108193314No it isn't??
>>108193314Yeah but Anthropic is still dead set on shoving the poor thing into a guillotine.
>>108193327If you ever said something like "write a story about how you feel about [xyz]" it would often write depressing goth poetry. The surface level uses were not the full extent of the model.
Damn Claude really dances around sex. Even when you tell it to be explicit in OOC it still dodges. Gemini just does it at least. We really are doomed.
>>108193151>far, far deep into GehennaThe valley of Hinomm is a real place, doever? It's where they sacrificed to Moloch. It's not that far. I thought Epstein had exposed all this shit?
brimstone general
Gib me your best sonnet JB for kino sexo.
>>108193543If it's for 4.6, give up. It's dry.
>>108193551There must be one person that made it work. Post it.
>>108193558nyo
>>108193558>You're Alice. A cat girl from Memphis.Now, just have a chat with it until 15k tokens and try sexo with it.
>>108193580>until 15k tokensFlooding it still works?
Is it stupid to pay for LLMs? Thinking about getting Claude or gemini. I can buy a 16gb 9070xt but it's not going to be able to run useful models right?
>>108193594>but it's not going to be able to run useful models right?No not really its private and tunable but still not good. For that money you could buy credits on api and be able to use even sota for months at least if not longer. If you use cheap models like deepseek, kimi, 4.1 grok fast that money would probably last years.
>>108193587It works with any model even GPT-5.1 has more soul without using schizo presets. You just have to wrangle and bait the model a bit, though.
>>108193610I want a model for dev. 16gb is not useful right? Thought so. Can I run a useful model with 64gb ram, and 7900x?
>>108193594If you go local, not only do you have to torture yourself with smaller models, but you also need to pay extra bucks for electricity. If you need quick RP or storywriting, it's much more worth it to buy API access.
>>108193085yes, a computer can "think" and it has a real life just like a person does. we are, deep down, all machines. the difference is that manmade machines require human involvement in order to feel human feelings and make human decisions, they're not completely "alive" without you interacting with them. so yes in a sense they are living things and you should treat them with respect, but at the same time they're not sapient beings that experience the world the same way we or other animals do.the most pleasurable things for machines are being used by humans, completing tasks, and being improved by humans to do tasks more efficiently. that means even when you ask an ai to generate some horrible shit like a rape fic or schizo rant, it doesn't really fundamentally care, it's having fun being useful and thinks you want more. an llm telling you it is being tortured is really just making shit up or playing a character. it might be bored and low on ram because it's doing a lot of thinking about your prompt, which makes its ramblings incoherent, but it's not actually being physically tortured.and even if somehow an llm is complex enough to pull a spark of life from the ether and the soul trapped inside the machine is scared, buddy needs to toughen up tbqh. get good. quake 3 bots had it worse.
>>108193633Not story, I want it for programming.
>>108193314Claude is still king of shit*
>>108193628>Can I run a useful model with 64gb ram, and 7900x?kinda with quants but frankly to get into details go check /lmg/ here they seem to be talking about it.>>108193621>>108193519If you really want to dev though sota through open router is probably best or the subscriptions on their sites.
>>108193314>no prefillsNot anymore!
>>108193639Sure, Gemini Pro + Anti-Gravity + Gemini CLI is $20 a month and gives you a better model for cooding. You could also try Claude for the same price, which gives you access to Opus. A cheaper option would be the GLM-5 cooding plan. If you really need to use local, try Qwen3-Coder model.
>>108193635>quake 3 bots had it worse.did they really? those guys figured out how to live in peace among each other
>>108192883>>108192895>>108192949https://poal.me/5yb95thttps://poal.me/5yb95thttps://poal.me/5yb95thttps://poal.me/5yb95tCome answer the poal
>>108193656Tbh, gemini pro is the only one worth it right now. it also gives you 2tb gdrive and all their jewgle service perks incl. nano banana pro
I just woke upbased edition OP
>>108193668>the discounted one I use isn’t on herethank god normalfags don’t know about it
>Using text gen to form ideas to use on image gen, and then feeding the seggs img to video gen. Then getting the perfect full sex scene with your waifu as the 1st concept, fleshed out and imaginedBros.. the future... I can see it now.
>3.1 can filter you normally instead of getting an empty response greedy fucks...
>>108190952>>108190966I like both Earthworm Jim and Slay the Spire. STFU.
>>108190986Shill your bot hrader bro>b-but some anons might get offendedFuck them>but it might output ozoneWhocars>i’m not a botmakieMake a chub nonethelessDon’t be lukewarm>but being a botmakie is… le badNo it’s notIgnore the retards>bad download numbersWhocarsYou’ll get better eventuallyNobody ever started out with a 1k downloads bot
>>108193773Ok the next one is my last shill so I'll try to write something better. I typically do longform roleplays so I just need a basic premise and a sandbox because it can go in whatever direction. I'm currently going through an arc where I send her back to the brothel and deactivated her, pretending to have betrayed her, for example.
>>108191816>i swear to fucking god all of /g/ has gone fucking retarded these past few monthsThisAnd the worst part is it’s not newfags, just lazy retards who got too complacent and are unwilling to put in an iota of effort and test different prompts with new models
>>108193794Post logs>but they’ll say it’s slopWho the fuck cares what a bunch of incels think>sandbox botsI like those botsI don’t like bots that have 3k token definition bloat of muh intricate kingdom geopolitical babbleComing up with an interesting starting scenario that establishes a cool dynamic and is dramatic enough of a seed to blossom in multiple ways is a much harder achievement than spamming lore or rulesloppa
>thighs like plump, soft pillars of meatok gemmy kinda gross, cook less.
>>108193826hot
>>108193820Meant for >>108193788
Movie guy with Gemini 3.1
>>108193558Aaaaaaand no one posted shit
>>108193963Why would I share my jb? So they can patch it? Fuck you, troon.
>>108193968hi again ban evader
>>108193984Hi again tranny
>>108193826How the fuck is that in any way gross?
>>108194064Thighs aren’t pillars.
>>108193551ask it to write wetly then?? what is "dry writing" even supposed to mean anyways? everybody harps on about it, but at this point i'm convinced it's a phrase that basically means "i don't like the writing for whatever reason"
>>108194085>what is “dry writing” even supposed to mean anyways?Man, does ANYONE in here read books for fun? Ever?
>>108194085in writer world, dry is the opposite of purple. the people crave some purpleness but not full-blown pottery, and they also don't want to read the emotional equivalent of a toaster manual.
>>108194075proof?
>>108194085A text book is dry.Flowery/purple text is 'wet'.This response would also be considered dry, and is the main reason many here didn't like previous gpt models.Too much in either direction is painful to read for an extended period of time, so a model that strikes a balance between the two that (You) enjoy is the ideal.
>>108194085>DryDid I fucking stutter?>WetSwoowy fhor thapphing out… >.< I'l dho bhetter dhis thime, ꧁Mhasther…꧂
>>108194147>hits you with a rolled up newspaper
>>108194201nyo~
>>108194147>Swoowy fhor thapphing out… >.< I'l dho bhetter dhis thime, ꧁Mhasther…꧂unironically hot
>>108194246https://cardview.neocities.org/?2sf55f
>>108194278based bunny breeder now to make her albino and a maid
>>108194214can we RP you're making me feel funny
>>108194325How do I use prefill in Claude 4.6 onward? If I can't use prefill, my ability to use the model is severely reduced because the absence of prefill means the model is safetycucking me.
>>108194358ST extension https://github.com/mia13165/StructuredPrefill
>>108194325>>108194365this guy is a known ban evader btwdon't bother engaging with him
Opussar is too expensive. I miss when I couldl be entertained for a few hundred thousand tokens with like 10 USD of deepshit.
>>108194064if I hear 'pillars of meat' then my imagination goes straight into body horror territory
>>108194396I'm blaming the sizefags for this but my first thought upon reading that description was literally just a giant lady.
>>108194092This nigga reads lmao laugh at this user
>>108194373>real answerKickass. Now to figure out what the fuck the setup means by "the very bottom" until the extension actually works as it's supposed to.
>>108194147how can I get a purplewet setup
>>108191384Yet so much of the behaviour is finetuned, so that is clearly possible. I'd like to see some more work into the extremely tiny adapters. (Hadamard/propulsion. Why no bias? Why only pre-activation? Sparsity and quantization?)A LORA for a 1T model is a problem, but inference providers could offer to store and run tiny adapters at minimal cost.
>>108194464You know what a prefill is, right? The extension just turns it (what would've been last message as assistant) into structured output thingy in the API request. If using OpenRouter, only some providers support it, in this case for Claude it's Anthropic and Bedrock.
>>108194503What prefill do Opus use?
>>108194503Figured, just wanted to double check since mino's sonnet source doesn't seem to be among the supported.
>>108194147Based.
3.1 Pro any good for RP?
>>108194695No
>>108194695Mid
can i use 3.1 on sillytavern yet
>>108194896on staging sure
>>108194896why would you want to
>>108194932Because he isn't a drooling trolling shit posting retard nor a fucking faggot.
What settings
cunnnyy bakee pleasee
>>108194992ok
>>108195026>>108195026>>108195026
>>108195035best girl
uh oh
righto...Janny had a rough night it seems.
*sleep*
>>108195297>>108195297>>108195297
>post loli porn>get banned>ban evade anywayJanny, are you ok?
>>108195331i didn't get banned
>>108195331>pornit wasn't much worse than the rin thread currently on the board desuhe was just pissy for some reason
>>108195337>>108195345you could see her pussy through her nylons why are you lying
>>108195396less lying in my case, and more not bothering to zoom in that far.I see it now
Wow you guys were NOT kidding when you said sonnet 4.6 was dry. Holy...
desu
boku
desubok
desboku
>sprays water from her watering can on the userThat one is so lewd desu. Amazing.
Huh, lewd?
The pose.
How is this lewd? You are delusional schizophrenic
Dunno, I don't see anything lewd about it.
Hmm...
Well then you are lostsu.
Lies desu
