>>108879823
>LAUGH AT NORMIES
why do you want me to laugh at you?

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>>LAUGH AT NORMIES
>why do you want me to laugh at you?

How are you supposed to do anti-cheat? Like consider the worst case scenario of shipping an open source game, client and server. Is there an effective way to do anti-cheat that doesn't rape the user? I always worry about remote exploits too, like 1 bad player owning everyone in the lobby. Is this just a problem that can't be easily automated without invasive measures (that get circumvented by bad actors anyway) and depends on having dedicated servers with dedicated moderators?

In any case the shit Riot is doing is absurd and shouldn't be tolerated.
Just like DRM it's an endless game of cat and mouse where only the good people lose.

>>108879823
People who play online gaymes are mentally deficient. Enjoy!

>>108880032
Chinese are crying about Vanguard because it stops them for farming bot accounts.
Call of Duty doesn't do much about it because they still try to walk the thin line, plus some of their biggest streamer advertisers are cheaters...
Anti-cheat and cheating is a symptom of perverted values and state of gaming itself.

>>108880063
Indeed

>>108880032
dont give players dumb incentives and imaginary internet points/money that allow them to earn cash & clout from cheating/botting solved 99% and rest can be taken care of by community mods

>>108880032
>How are you supposed to do anti-cheat?
>you don't
>you do it entirely server-side
>you do it server-side and also scan the user's interactions with the game for plausibility, for example the exact timing and positioning of the mouse in the game window must match human behavior
And then you stop, that's as far as it should go. You will never get 100% of cheaters.

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>>108879823
idk if pic related is real but given how full of themselves riot is I totally believe it

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>>108880032
see >>108880116

you cant because at the end of the line you have cheaters pointing a camera at their screen and sending human-like automated inputs down the same cable their mouse and keyboard is used to perform some epic dodge

>>108880135
>pointing a camera
obviously there are less literal ways to achieve this but I dont know enough about faking hardware and capturing raw hdmi/dvi outputs to outline them

>>108880122
Modern games are fucking bleak, joke or not this jpg is a sign of how gay things really are

>>108880063
This...

Gamers are shithead losers. Time to grow up. Children should play games not adults

>>108880032
Anti cheat wasn't needed when we played with friends in internet cafés with LAN

>>108880199
I see this sentiment a lot and it comes across as a psyop, cope, or both.
Like the notion that if children enjoy something that an adult can't.
As if kids don't watch movies, eat food, breathe air. As if games stop being fun just because you're older.
I doubt it.

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>>108880147
>this jpg is
that's a png

>>108880032
It's called putting China and India on their own servers
At least in Nightreign all of the egregious cheaters I see are from China

>>108880135
That's the issue online chess is facing. It's extremely trivial to cheat, you just open a chess app on your phone and you put the moves suggested by the overpowered chess engine. The only way they catch these cheaters is by looking at suspicious user behavior (like switching browser tabs too many times, taking the same time for each move), abnormal rating spikes, or moves that are "too good to be played by humans" and also "moves that are too trivial to not be instantly played by humans".

>normies
What irony.

>>108880242
>China
No idea why but they cheat at literally every video game

>>108879823
>see kernel level anticheat
>ignoring the game
problem solved
also solved by (GNU+)linux users

>>108880271
They cheat in school at a much higher rate too, it's normal for the Chinese to cheat (as long as you don't get caught). I'd liken it to how Jews believe that God put loopholes in rules for them (eg. the magic string over New York that makes it all one place "indoors") in a way desu

>>108880032
>How are you supposed to do anti-cheat?
youre not, its only relevant for "e-sports"
and since "e-sports" bring in big $$$ it is the only thing these companies care about

>>108880271
Probably a numbers game. China and India simply have a lot more people so there's a lot more potential cheaters but there's also just a lot more players in general.
However I'm willing to bet there's a cultural aspect to this too.
India's entire culture is centered around lying to make yourself look better and saving face / denial at all costs which lines up pretty well with the concept of buying hacks to look pro and denying it even when caught.

>>108880070
>state of gaming
there was a fuckton of cheaters even in stuff like BF2 during the 2000s
people are just dickheads

>>108880226
Literally just kill yourself you failed man. Manchild.

>>108880351
What's got you saying that?
Don't you think it's more immature to make requests like that. I don't think a successful person would act that way.
Is something wrong? I mean in general. I'm interested to talk the topic but I can listen to your personal problem too if it's causing you enough grief to lash out.

>>108880122
Real. It's part of the 'play mindgames with cheat devs' tactics: https://x.com/deteccphilippe/status/2039498866874286337

>>108880359
>immature
It isn't the 80s anymore gramps, hop off the bingbing wahoo and into a well.

>>108880372
The Anon I was replying to said "manchild" and "failed man", I'm responding to that.
I don't care about the concept of maturity in the same way, I'm just meeting them on their terms.

>It isn't the 80s anymore
What's the relevance of the 80s?
Are you saying games were better then or whats the significance of time period?

>>108880032
>Is there an effective way to do anti-cheat that doesn't rape the user?
of course not
the concept doesn't even make sense
you're running software on the user's computer, not your computer
you're not supposed to be in control

>>108880388
>I don't care about the concept of maturity in the same way
BWAHAHAHHAHAHA, you are a literal basedgolum

>>108879823
I don't think anyone that plays LoL can be considered "normal".

>>108880407
I don't understand what you mean. I'm saying Anon and I have different perspectives.
I'm curious about theirs. Like why it's important to them. Is it a personal complex. Where does the idea come from.

https://x.com/riotgames/status/2057604027941302564/

BASED.

Cheaters get the rope

>>108880283
more like ignoring your friends (if you have any, creep).

>>108880032
>How are you supposed to do anti-cheat
Your not, like if a person cheats in a board game you just dont play with them. Dont make in game currencies that are worth botting or design the game around the bots. Keep games as games

>>108880438
>why is "working" more important than "gayming" for an adult. Gee I just can't figure it out
Wood chipper.

I only play single player games.

>>108880479
I wasn't talking about working, my mistake if it came across that way.
Obviously they're not mutually exclusive and sometimes they overlap. Gamedevs, streamers, etc.
I'm asking why someone would hold games in a negative light. As in where does that idea come from. I imagine it's a personal thing.

>>108880032
Simple. Just call them a faggot then vote kick them off. But you stupid pussy zoomer bitches can't fucking handle that can you?

This is a bot >>108880496

>>108880496
Any skill you learn in gaming is a skill you failed to learn for your work. You have no greater work or purpose. Just press buttons. Disgusting.

>>108880514
Not a bot. Not sure why you think so. My typos? Bad grammar? I'm just writing casually, please don't treat 4chan as an English class or debate club. It's just casual conversation.

>>108880518
I'm not sure I understand. You seem to be conflating work and play, or asserting some kind of mutual exclusion.
In my opinion, recreation is an important aspect not just of life, but of work itself.
Without rest, you will perform worse. Without joy or reward, there is little purpose to proceed.
What's your opinion on it?

>>108880518
Imagine living only to produce value for shareholders

>>108880532
Imagine gainful employment and earning a decent income.

>>108880032
a server that actually validates actions of its clients instead of accepting their just trust me bro i shot first

>>108880549
You're getting mad on the internet instead of working or playing. How successful can you be?

>>108880561
You're talking to another anon. I retired 15 years ago and live comfortably doing repairs and restorations for fun. What do you do?

>>108880549
Joke's on you, I have a job and spend my free time drawing, reading books, watching movies and gaming
Maybe try not working 60 hours a week

>>108880531
Bot

>>108880581
For professions, I write software and do therapy with autistic women.
In both cases I end up typically having to play video games. Either with my coworkers or my clients.
So the stigma surrounding them is lost on me. They're not only fun but are pretty good for social stuff.
I don't understand the negativity surrounding it.

>>108880595
Not.

>>108880532
Working isn't only done for shareholders. I wouldn't have the same reaction if it was body building even though in some circles it's degenerate

>>108880598
>I don't understand the negativity surrounding it.
People are telling you there is something better and more rewarding than sitting in front of a screen and pressing buttons. You disagree. It's a perspective issue.

>>108880641
That's literally not possible. Games are optimized to be as rewarding. Beat dark souls and tell me climbing the corporate ladder is better? Master Kirby and tell me you'd rather do some DIY project or start your own company instead.

>>108880641
Telling me something doesn't explain the reasoning or rationale behind it.
I want to find out why they dismiss it as unrewarding.
It's very ironic to talk about sitting in front of a screen pressing buttons while you're doing that right now to pass the time with me. Not for productivity, and in your case it doesn't even look like you're having fun. So you say "disagree" but it doesn't look that way. Am I wrong?

>>108880658
The productivity here is convincing another living person that they should change their real world actions to make the world a more rewarding place.

>>108880004
You're posting reddit screenshot threads and redditjaks. He's right.

>>108880655
>Games are optimized to be as rewarding.
Gaymes are a psyop. You're a digital prisoner.
>>108880658
I'm communicating with a bot (You), so you're right. Extremely unrewarding.

XJOSH HAS WEIGHED IN VANGUARDBROS
MUH CHYNA

>>108880665
But you're not even trying to convince me, I've been explicitly asking for insight that could sway my mind and you're refusing to even engage with that. If it's not on purpose then you're accidentally squandering the opportunity.
Although I'll tell you up front that I don't think I can be convinced on this one.
As I said before I think recreation and passing time is important, without it there is no reward for your work.
You're welcome to try and convince me why I should work all the time when I already do more than most professionally and volunteer. In my experience video games have been the gateway to finding many things, such as knowledge, insight into cultures and history, making friends, gaining job opportunities, and has even helped form the relationship that is now the love of my life. I think many of these things are positive and productive, and there is more to say, so again I think it will be difficult to sway me if that's your intention.

>>108880686
Calling me a bot is the equivalent of plugging your ears.
It doesn't change the matter of fact and doesn't convey anything to me.

yes, you are wasting your time trying to convince this bot of anything

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>>108880032
AI can detect cheaters just 2 more weeks and vacnet will be good

>>108880710
Why do you think it's a bot? I don't see the connection between video games and AI.

>>108880695
Why does he vaguepost like Elon now

at this point I think the only way to really do anti cheat is to basically only play competitive multiplayer games on something like a console. That way you can have maximally intrusive anti cheat without compromising your own PC that you use to do other things. I think its the only way at this point.

>>108880738
I don't know how it is today but reading this gave me flashbacks of all the hackers on call of duty for the Xbox 360
Just saying consoles have this problem too

>>108880032
Spectator mode.

>>108880326
>>108880291
Is it not part of Chinese culture that swindling someone over is considered is a good thing? For the countless trademark violations they do.

>>108880032
rangeban chinks

>>108880365
just by reading that you know immediately that a chink wrote that

>>108880726
both are jewish time theft

>>108880122
If riot wants to piss off gamers and risk their hq/employees being physically assaulted then that's their choice.

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>>108880147
>sjw gets triggered by fake bsods caused by cheats being detected

>>108880710
True, it’s no use to convince a worthless manchild that there is actual rewarding hobbies rather than watching flickering shadows on the cave wall

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if you guys didnt know microsoft replaced the blue screen of death some time ago. its now the black screen of death. a blue screen of death in 2026 is either fake or a old ass machine.

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>>108880032
Anticheat makes no sense for league. The game is already server authoritative. The only cheats you can do are scripts for movement and such. That is detected by algorithms looking at the inputs, and even if you do use a perfect kernel level anticheat you can just use a second computer to get around anything. It's all just nonsense to pump their ego's and so china can have their backdoor. I'm not joking about the ego thing btw. They 100% get off on the thought of having ao much control over the computers of their players.

>>108880960
>I'm not joking about the ego thing btw. They 100% get off on the thought of having ao much control over the computers of their players
this is true and most of them are also former cheat developers who are fighting a silent war with their old rivals
the anticheat "industry" is just a giant dick swinging contest and you as a player have to put with whatever new experiments they want to perform on your PC every week

>>108881019
>"industry" is just a giant dick swinging contest
Sums up infosec in general lmao

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Play Nightreign

>Get tired of the chinkshit random lootbox wheel spin and just want decent relics
>Hex edit via cheatengine some relics that are 100% obtainable in game, just not going to grind out 1000x wheel spins to get them
>Play for weeks
>Get this bullshit pic related. OK, so I delete the relics and play again
> 180 days later they REINSTATE the ban, because I didn't delete the whole fucking save game because reasons
>Now I just pirate FromSoftware games and will never buy again

>>108880775
>being actively antisocial trash is a good thing
It's like engaging with a meth'd up kid just told they have some sort of tism and trying to get them to stop screaming in a restaurant.

>>108881032
i mean yeah
same deal with denuvo, most of the developers are former crack developers and they don't care about your experience playing the game at all

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>>108879823
>Vanguard is owned by Valorant
>Valorant is owned by Riot
>Riot is owned by Tencent
>Tencent is owned by China

No more cheating. Game honestly. Be honourable.

>>108880775
Yes. My favorite story was the Chink Fisher Price manufacturer

>Be Fisher Price, probably the best reputation child toy manufacturer in the world with absolutely ridiculous profit margins making toys in Germany
>Move production to China to save shekels like everyone else does in the 90's.
>Pay premium to Chink manufacturer for toys. Pays 10x the price most Chinks in plastic injection mould get in China to maintain high standards
>Chinks being chinks, decide to save $0.000000001 / toy by deliberately and deceitfully switching to use Lead based paint despite making bank from Fisher Price who pays like a swiss clock and keeps the factory order books full 24/7
>Repeat: deliberately puts lead paint in childrens toys to save $0.00000001/ toy because Gook reasons
> Somebody notices lead paint and sues Fisher Price for billions
> Permanently destroys reputation forever so some Gook could cheat and save literally 1000's of a penny on manufacturing costs

>>108880550
>just simulate an entire game on the server for every single connected player BRO!
what kind of server cpu can handle the load of 100 games running at the same time

>>108881208
just code better
or buy more CPUs

>>108880032
HAVE
DEDICATED
SERVERS
THIS PROBLEM FIXES ITSELF IF EVERYONE RUNS THEIR OWN SERVER AND ONLY ALLOWS PEOPLE THEY TRUST TO PLAY

HOLY SHIT
FUCK YOU

>>108880032
Limit the hardware access by partnering with local gaming cafe owners and making the game playable only on verified hardware

>>108880032
this wasn't a problem with Warcraft 3 DOTA when the ASSFAGGOTS genre was the hottest, and it shouldn't be a problem now. The problem is that everyone wants corporate matchmaking and ELO to be the dominating factor of every game, and surprise, ELO is a trash system that sucks and is retarded for managing the community of a video game. It should have always been using the Warcraft 3 Battle.net style of chatrooms, whitelists, and blacklists. EVERY SINGLE ONE of these problems are literally inventions that have happened with the rise of retarded games like LoL forcing everyone to use one type of matchmaking and providing no way for people to ever escape it.

>>108880032
Anyone with a high enough K/D gets invited by Riot for a match, in-person, with their devs.

gaming died almost 20 years ago
when did this anti cheat become a problem ?

>>108881119
Fun fact: it wasn't lead paint.
China at the time (and I believe still might) used leaded fuel. The lead leeches out of the fuel and impregnates itself into the plastic fuel tanks on modern vehicles. The plastic the Chinese factory was using was recycled fuel tanks, to save money.

>>108880032
>window manager gets new feature that only lets it display game and nothing else while game is running
>game doesnt load if window manager fails some checksum

>>108881037
>be me - a pirate
>i download the game on my pc, i have 100% control over it. bans? on a no account system? on a pirated game? impossible.
>i can also change any file i want, however i want.
You paid money to have a worse experience than me.

>>108881242
If everyone can host their own server, how can we charge for mods - I mean DLC - I mean microtransaction skins and how can we shut the game down forever when I feel like it??

This only targets chinks who bought 6k+ specialized gpu's for cheating. Normal non bug people are fine.

>>108881462
There's no way to protect against it being maliciously or accidentally used on normal hardware, so it's an automatic no.

>>108881481
The only reason this is happening is because of cheaters.
It's not some goddamn conspiracy to get legitimate users.

>>108880032
1. remove incentives like competitive modes / ranking / mmr
2. stop infecting games with live service cancer that forces people to play a game constantly and have it become part of their identity. the more important you make a game in someones life, the more important they will feel it is to be perceived as good at it
3. bring back votekick
4. rangeban all non-english speaking countries

>>108881481
>erm ackshually this anticheat is going to be used on non-cheaters
>no I don't know how and have no backing information for my statement but trust me bro

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>>108881375
So what do you do? Play with the sweats over on /erg/ ? They insta-ban anyone who doesn't have a DR of 5.

Are you discord diving? How are you finding good matchmaking?

Teach me your ways fren.

>>108881303
Thats a distinction without a difference.
You are selling CHILDRENS TOYS to WHITE WOMEN.
Reputation and safety is fucking everything about your brand.
The element of Lead shouldn't be within 100 miles of anything you put in the toys.

>>108881731
i was talking in general - pirate experience is almost always better than the one that people who pay get.

>>108880032
Simple. Players themselves curate the environment.
Go to a TF2 server, even with VAC off, and cheat. You will get vote kicked out. Admin will ban you. Etc. etc.

>>108881802
So you specifically answered my post with a general answer that had nothing to do with what I wrote regarding online play and anti-cheat?

Got it.

Curious: Is this fun for you?

>>108880032
you pay people to manually resolve reports

>>108880032
Anti-cheat wasn't needed until the third world got internet access.

>>108880032
Time to move on from online PVP shooters kiddo.

>>108880598
>therapy for autistic women.
Tell me more anon. I'm ESL and it might be a niche in my own country. I can fix them!

>>108881481
The update specifically targets a windows setting that changes the cheating hardware ability to mess with memory.
Nothing happens if you have normal hardware.

>>108881861
Basically. Ranked matchmaking ruined online games.

>>108880032
>How are you supposed to do anti-cheat?
It's a solved problem, but it directly conflicts with Jewish money making schemes. Plenty of games you play online dont suffer from mass cheating.

hehe...jews...

>>108880291
>magic string over New York that makes it all one place "indoors"
the what now

>>108880032
You make as much of the game server side as realistically possible, protect the process with something like EAC or battleye, monitor inputs to detect nasty macroing or snaptapniggers and leave it at that because even if you make rootkit tier anticheat people can buy a 4000$ dma device that is literally undetectable because it sits in between a real device

>>108881481
The only reason this is happening is because of cheaters.
It's not some goddamn conspiracy to get legitimate users.
>>108882157
>even if you make rootkit tier anticheat people can buy a 4000$ dma device that is literally undetectable because it sits in between a real device
The topic of discussion is literally software that is detecting DMA devices.

>>108882038
Yeah, back then gaming communities could curate players themselves too and had separate casual/pub, comp, and tournament servers

>>108882202
Nothing was comfier than finding a good server to play on and befriending the regulars

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>>108882132
eruv lmao

>>108880032
just bring back player hosting and let the host kick & ban faggots
but that doesn't fit the skinner box ladder and loot box addition model those companies use
so fuck 'em it's a stupid problem for stupid people and they deserve to suffer

>>108882132
>he doesn't know

>>108881863
no.

>>108879823
>subhuman cheaters get their devices bricked
Oh no?!

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>>108882202
>>108882224
I've not played TF2 since 2019. Checked my favorite servers list. Only one is left out of 80.
So it goes.

>>108880199
>>108880063
Yes, be good cattle and watch instagram instead. Give your life and labor to women and societies who hate you and see you as disposable, that's a man's way

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>>108880032
you play with irl frens

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well it was only a matter of time until another corporation fucks up everyone's PCs

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>>108880032
>>108880550
i kill every edater lol turkroaches mad

Well, that escalated quickly.
https://x.com/riotgames/status/2057879738350444726

>>108881354
most pathetic
>trust me bro im totally tech literate
linuxfag larp

>>108882175
>The topic of discussion is literally software that is detecting DMA devices.
Yeah good luck with that, as long as computers aren't locked down palantirboxes it's an arms race you're losing
Vanguard bricking people's hardware is illegal and they will get sued for it

Banning by hardware id was always a thing.

>>108880070
>Anti-cheat and cheating is a symptom of perverted values and state of gaming itself.
Don't kid yourself. If the average gaymer can cheat, it will cheat.

>>108880032
>How are you supposed to do anti-cheat?
No skill based matchmaking.
Aside from the things others have mentioned, i don’t like it because it’s basically teammate ELO gatcha.
You are mostly just riding the odds of whatever teammates you get to win or lose the match.

>>108882695
>Yeah good luck with that, as long as computers aren't locked down palantirboxes it's an arms race you're losing
Vanguard enables IOMMU groups and blocks devices trying to directly read and write to protected memory.

>>108881802
This is absolutely true. Whenever I pay for software, I only do it because I want to support the people who made it or make sure I can use it for any purpose in the future if I need to, but I always feel fucked over. Even if I pay for it, I still use the pirated version.

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>>108881629
>what are false positives
Have you seen how antagonistic Vanguard devs are? They'd totally spy what you're doing to make sure you're not cheating before turning your PC into a bomb

>>108880219
this
you would just get punched in the dick if you cheated and the problem solved itself

We have KLAC, why isn't KLAP a thing yet?

>>108882132
Lookup "eruv"

DMA niggers on /g/ used to flaunt and jerk themselves off on how they were so undetactable and couldn't be touched
now they're crying about their silicon waste being detected and how it should be made illegal to detect it, making up shit like it exploding their hard drives

>>108881959
In my country you need certification RBT (Registered Behavior Technician). Basically I just teach them life skills and support their goals.
One of my clients was so anxious she wasn't able to talk on the phone or go outside only a few years ago. Today she can walk to restaurants and order by herself. We spend a lot of time practicing socializing via online video game voice chat.

>>108882001
Again dipshit, there 0 way to protect yourself if they change their mind, or something unrelated gets falsely detected. Any anticheat should never have the ability to affect client-side hardware, ONLY detect it. If the configured state of the computer and it's hardware are disabled, then Riot has commited a crime on property that does not belong to them, it does not matter if it's cheating hardware or not. No amount of "b-b-but cheaters" will make the action itself legal. If you have a consistent enough way of detecting the specific hardware in order to disable it, then you can just as easily simply suspend/ban the account like normal instead. There 0 excuse to cross the line between server and client.
>>108881629
>No, I don't know how-
Kernel. Fuck you're a jackass.
>>108881555
>>108882175
>posts twice for some reason
Beep boop bop

>>108882489
or their ips rotated dummy

>>108880032
Nigga just allow to kick players by vote. If they kick you instead the lobby was trash anyways.
And give the option to host your own, high ping be damned

>>108880032
AI input verification theyre just lazy fucks

>>108883616
DMA user here. riot is full of shit and can only detect one specific firmware. just flash it with a newer firmware and continue to cheat and make (you) seethe

>>108879823
I heard next update encrypts all your files and asks for bitcoin to unlock them. Great change. Hopefully other big anticheats like EAC follow in riot's footsteps.

>>108880032
Yes, server side AI. If a user can look at a player and determine that they use cheats, an AI should be to do that as well.

>>108881380
simple: you don't do anything
TF2 has servers with "free hats" and no one fucking gives a shit about them, everyone just relives on Valve's item servers

>>108883842
Thanks anon, we live in a different timezone and I wasn't sure I'll ever get an answer. I'll check for RBT and if there's an equivalent here.

Is it your own business? How do you advertize it?

>>108879823
>laugh at normies
>custom firmware used for ssds to bypass riot's vanguard check
I dont think so buddy

Vanguard can't even solve what it was suppose to do
>make a new account
>que for aram
>play with 9 other bots instead of humans

>>108880032
>How are you supposed to do anti-cheat?
If I win, it was pure skills. If the opponent wins, it was bullshit, cheaters, aimbot, lag, etc. Simple as.

>>108880032
Really, really advanced server side input and pattern detection. Basically impossible, maybe more realistic with AI tooling (but it's going to cause false positives), but many games do do it and consider the results 'good enough'. And I'm glad they do.
There's no way to truly guarantee authenticity without full and complete control of the user's PC or console.

>>108880070
>a symptom of perverted values
For the chinese, winning at any cost is the highest value there is. It doesn't matter if you do it by cheating or even just using an obviously unintended exploit, honor is achieved through victory alone.

>>108880271
see >>108887089

windows users, gamers, and cheaters are all in the same category of cattle which i don't care much about.
you all get what you fucking deserve haha

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>>108880032
>How are you supposed to do anti-cheat?
Okay, here is the ultimate fix, I should patent this project, but I will share it with /g/:
>The future is streaming only
>Can't inject cheats into streamed content
>Can't read out RAM in streamed content
As soon as anything runs on the client, it's hackable. But there is another problem: People could hack/jailbreak their AI TVs/Monitors, to send the whole input to another device, calculates controller/mouse adjustments and sends it to your input device. Then we also need:
>DRM in USB devices, just like in HDMI
>Implement DRM in PCIe devices
>Monitor/TV DRM / AI Supervisor TVs

maybe just have usual kernel level ac, but in addition have mobo manufacturers add a security chip that works to ensure system integrity, and in addition have society criminally prosecute cheaters
so you might have a cheating method that works for a while, but if it gets one day figured out you go to jail and lose tens of thousands so rest of the society can be spared of your existence

>>108887129
>The future is streaming only
No thanks.

>>108887136
This will solve Piracy and Hacking btw. How can you pirate a streamed game? It's not a movie.
Like it or not... but this is just perfect. You will own nothing and be happy.
>inb4 first triple AAA streaming only game

>>108880032
>Is there an effective way to do anti-cheat that doesn't rape the user?
In RTS games, deterministic lockstep networking with extensive auditing so that e.g. even a maphack gets identified due to it messing with unit visibility tables producing a desync. In a deterministic lockstep network model everyone runs the same sim separately and their computers just trade user inputs and game state hashes to verify they all have the same game state, and if anyone messes with their local session, the game produces a desync. This doesn't, in practice, eliminate cheating, as bugs can often be found (but this is subjective: if a bug or exploit is widely known and used it can become legitimized as a gameplay mechanic), but assuming no bugs, correctly designed RTS games are impossible to cheat in by design.

In MMOs and the like, or even in many online games, you could log player actions and automatically flag and/or ban for suspicious ones. In an MMO for example, repeatedly issuing the same exact mouse-walk instructions every time you go to a particular area could be flagged (botting), or if actions per minute from multiple clients on the same IP are exceeding a certain threshold, then the player is likely multiboxing with bots (vs multiboxing and legitimately tabbing back and forth between clients). Most bots rely on DLL injection, so you could try to detect that as well.
In an FPS, your camera turning faster than a specified limit could be flagged, especially if it's followed by a headshot on an enemy player (implausible behaviour), or the game might do a constant ray cast from every player's screen centre, and if it collides with an enemy player, they're considered to be aiming at that player, and if they spend more than a certain percentage of time doing that when the target is not visible to the tested player, then they're considered to be using a wall hack. Basically, log more about what the player does and flag implausible actions.

https://x.com/riotgames/status/2057879738350444726

Riot cucks already backpedalling after bricking PCs

>>108887228
imagine if people learned what words mean

>>108887228
>Disabling IOMMU allows the cheat device to function again, but IOMMU will still be required to play our games.
Wait, does this mean you must enable IOMMU in your bios to play? I have it on anyway because of passthrough VMs but wtf, this is a serious performance hit for some people.

>>108880461
i'm not friends with 15 year olds...

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>>108882680
Pretending to be an LLM is the future of humor

Valves trust factor is the best anti cheat solution I've seen do far. It's way easier to move hackers to a different queue, it fucks with the new player experience though

AI psychosis in the replies is hilarious
GROK IS THIS TRUE LAWSUIT WEN
https://x.com/grok/status/2057841561728086480

>>108887525
valve trust factor is one of the worst things to exist unless youre dead average in all regards. it doesnt move "hackers" it moves anyone with any number of reports for any reason

>>108880032
>How are you supposed to do anti-cheat?
Just let people do what they want and have fun. It will sort itself out eventually.

>>108880032
This post has a lot of replies. Here's my useless opinion. I don't give a fuck. The games are play nowadays are from the late 90s and early 2000s, and they're all single-player too. These nu games aren't doing it for me. They all look the fuckin' same, it's gay as all hell. Old games can be jank as fuck but each has their own personality.

I could try the indie game scene, but that would reveal that I'm actually just an old dude on a nostalgia trip. That and my backlog for games to beat before I die a terrible, terrible (but totally predictable) death is large enough. Goin' through Starcraft and Dark Forces II atm. Havin' a fuckin' blast.

>>108888406
holy based
and agreed. who gives a fuckin shit

game production now is optimized for mullatto and brown youth, which is to be implicitly optimized for gambling pretty much
its not like it used to be because the audience is completely different by a factor of probably like 20 iq

>>108880682
Nta but if you think this place is any less normie than reddit, you're retarded

>>108888456
This is true. 4chan is a Skinner box just like any other social media platform. If you wonder how Fox News went from being a laughing stock to being unironically quoted on 4chan during the 2010s, Jmail may have an explanation for you.

btw Pizza Gate was a conspiracy manufactured by Epstein to slander Democrats during the 2010s. It was spread on 4chan by Epstein's crew and picked up by schizos on /pol/.

>>108881090
Stop eating cats, slothead.

>>108880032
dont trust the client. simple as. but companies want to offload as much as possible to the client for server cost. also I'm not sure if modern devs can even handle it.

>>108888714
>make schizo claims
>call /pol/ schizo
???

>>108888758
Dogs. Not cats.

>>108880032
The solution to cheating is behavior based detection. Valve figured it out with VAC

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>LAUGH AT NORMIES
>normies

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>>108889084
Both.

>>108887271
you also have to enable HVCI which is an even worse performance hit
but it doesn't matter for valorant because it's basically a mobile game in terms of CPU load

>>108879823
Normgroids deserve everything they get and even worse

>>108889483
Yeah, but it's not like people are going to turn these features on to play the game then back off again, they'll leave them on permanently.

>>108880461
Weak bait

>>108889506
riot doesn't care about that, you're supposed to buy a separate PC for valorant... or something
WONTFIX

>>108889165
not chink nor a chink apologist, but can the people making this argument really say why dog/cat meat is bad but cow/pig meat is ok?

>>108881037
>Using Cheat Engine to begin with
Idk how you got caught, I've been using a shitty save editor someone in /erg/ posted from Github and I haven't gotten banned

>>108889921
Cows and pigs are domesticated livestock. Cats and dogs are domesticated pets. Cows and pigs are meant for consumption because they don't do work for us. Dogs hunt food and pests, protect livestock from predators, sniff for bombs, etc. Cats to a lesser extent, but pest control is important for agriculture and disease prevention.

>>108889921
It's much more about the treatment on death.
Western farms at least try to minimize suffering, China does too with pork and beef.
However dogs and cats often get tortured to death based on superstitions it makes meat taste better. The trade itself is often not up to par with commercial livestock in terms of health or well-being of the animals.

It's one of those things where it seems hypocritical to make the distinction but the trade has never made an effort to properly commercialize. The stealing and torturing of animals is more or less a feature, not a bug. It's assumed the people who enjoy eating these animals likely only do so because of the inhumane treatment and taboo not because it tastes good or is a legitimate food source.

>>108890196
all cats do is fuck up the environment. theyre one of the worst pets ever and they can barely be bothered to catch vermin. they only kill birds.

>>108890440
>they only kill birds.
and rodents. Good to have cats near grain silos so the crows don't take over and turn the sky black and the ground white.

>>108889133
How does vac work with behavior based detections.
I avoid vac games because I fear a false positive vac ban and then my steam profile ruined.>>108889152

>>108879823
funny how china can just lock millions of devices if they want too

>>108881753
There is a difference.
Do you think that's the only plastic items made in China that used lead-contaminated plastic? It's just the biggest one you know about

>>108880032
I played many onine games, but none of them appealing to a young or black demographic and practically never encountered cheating. Of all those, iRacing does have some sort of anticheat, but they still have a report system for racing incident disputes, maybe it couls handle cheaters too.

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>>108880032
There is only one sensible and effective way to deal with cheaters, and that is to let the community deal with them. The only reason this doesn't "work" in practice is because modern online gaymen is built around engagement-optimized matchmaking, forced crossplay and ranked ladder torture chambers. Companies don't want to sell you a game and let you have fun, they want to draw you in for free (because children and thirdies) then keep you hooked by psychologically manipulating you and milking you for MTX money.

Whenever someone tells you that it's impossible to make a good online game without kernel anti-cheat, what they really mean is it's impossible to make a shitty slop online game that forces you to interact with console subhumans. It's entirely true, which is just another reason to never, ever play them.

It's also an open secret that you can stop 80% of cheaters by just rangebanning slavs and chinks.

>>108888714
You're not wrong, but >>108879852 is right in that 4chan isn't some super sekrit clubhouse that OP thinks it is. It hasn't been in like 22 years.