>stuff only works with Chromium-based browsersWhat is the root of this, exactly? Is it something more extensive than a simple user agent string?
>>108883542Depends on site, sometimes it's a project lead being insistent on blocking non-Chromium (or even anything besides Chrome) because >NOOOO, WE ONLY TESTED IT TO WORK ON CHROME, WE CAN'T LET PEOPLE USE OTHER BROWSERS BECAUSE IT'S UNTESTEDSometimes it's warranted due to non-standard functionality, like WebHID
change the user agent and youll see
Chromium based browsers are the only secure browsers currently on the market. It's why Edge is Chrome based, for security reasons.Running a non-Chromium browser puts you at risk for viruses and other kinds of malware, as well as causing you to look like a bad actor to websites you are browsing.
>>108884636WebKit it pretty close. Just don't use fireslop.
>>108883542like what?chromium is the most common type so testing for it you might miss other browsers
>>108883542Name 5 sites.
>>108883542securitards and updooters did it
>>108883542>What is the root of this, exactly?Chromium has a 70%-75% market share so it's the primary and often only engine used for automated testing. It's a huge money saver to only have to run one instance of tests rather than 2 or 3. Developers mostly use Chromium too. So, bugs that surface in Chromium browsers are immediately caught, while Firefox/WebKit-exclusive issues are not.WebKit is mainly tested on by websites which care about mobile/iOS users. Firefox has a single digit market share so nobody cares about it.I mean, in 99.99% of cases there are no differences, but there are plenty of edge cases where a non-Chromium browser might fail. Just look at the web platform tests (pic related), all engines are trailing behind Chromium.>>108884649>>108884668There's a lot of WebGL or WASM applications that don't work in Firefox/WebKit. Like nVidia GeForce NOW.
>>108883542>What is the root of this, exactly?lazy webmonkeys only testing on 1 browser, its really that simple
>>108886642People used to do it to dunk on Safari users.
>>108883542something like 90% of web traffic is chromium with maybe 7-8% webkit because of iFags and then a pathetic 2-ish% for Firefox. If you're a web developer you don't give a flying fuck about making things work on anything but chromium
>>108883542It's google.>Is it something more extensive than a simple user agent string?Your browser is fingerprinted at every level. You can change your user agent string, they will know which browser you're really running. Only way to avoid this is to run special browsers that are made to be non-customizable so you blend in with thousands of other users. tl;dr use Brave Origin
>>108883542Scroogle was the dominant voice of the w3c for a while and introduced new web standards literally every week to prevent other browsers from being able to catch up. They also modified their web services (notably youtube and google search) to have broken but valid html targeted and making other browsers look very slow. In the youtube case, for example, they used crazy nested divs because chrome was way faster at rendering highly nested divs than firefox was.
>>108884668BMI visualizer.
>>108886831>use Brave OriginI'm waiting for the stable release in June. Distros should use it instead of Firefox, but Linux commies hate the CEO.
>>108886991>Distros should use it instead of FirefoxThis. I cannot fucking believe that Firefox is still the default browser in most distributions. It's a piece of shit. 30% slower, 30% worse battery drain in laptops, not supported by all websites, less secure, etc. It's almost as bad as Windows shipping Internet Explorer back in the day.The only good thing about Firefox is the fact that uBlock Origin still works on it. But Brave has solved this problem by just baking in an ad blocker.
>>108887016I've used Firefox for over 20 years and I just gave up on it, hopefully Ladybird and Servo will be better than Firefox.>Brave has solved this problem by just baking in an ad blockerMozilla is trying to implement Brave's adblocker to Firefox and it made Firefox users seethe just because they hate Brave.
>>108887087>hopefully Ladybird and Servo will be better than Firefox.Doubtful. The last thing anyone wants these days is having to support multiple platforms. Chrome is the web standard whether people like it or not. Browsers using different engines will have to ship a Chromium engine to fall back to it in case a website has issues.
>>108883542Gecko works perfectly fine for me since 2009, for both personal things and work related things.Zero issues ever.
>>108883542im convinced its a check box and nothing actually related to the internal engine
>>108884668>>108886484last time I tried Teams in firefox, the video call, it didn't work on firefox. but it was almost 2 years ago, haven't tried it recently so I don't know if they changed it or not.
>>108886642>lazy webmonkeys only testing on 1 browser,has nothing to do with "lazy", when the management pays dollars and it should be shipped fast and on the most used browser, you as a little coder have no time or anything to test on another browsers. so blame the bosses, shareholders and the management but not the devs
>>108886484Surprised to see Ladybird is so close to Firefox and Safari. That's good news. I would like to see web standards freer from the control of 1 or 2 companies.I'm pretty happy that WebKit is mostly there too. I know Apple is another financially incentivised web controller, but it's better to have two companies in opposition like that.
>>108887343It still barely works in Firefox. But Teams is garbage in general and sometimes fails to initialize audio even in Chromium browsers.
>>108887536?It's yet another webkit browser. Those have been a dime a dozen for the past many decades. Safari uses the same exact tech.
>>108886831>>108886991>>108887016>>108887087good morning saars
>>108887204This so much. Just disable javascript and Firefox will never cause any issues. Amazing browser.
>>108887976I keep JS disabled by default but it's rare that I don't have to turn it back on. Especially with Anubis and other anti-scraping tools becoming more prevalent
>>108887976>>108888017why are firefox users like this? I can't tell if this is satire or not
Devs don't test in firefox. If it works in chrome they ship it.
>>108888165Based devs.
Works on my machine
>>108884668The firmware on my flipper can be flashed from a chromium based browser, as apparently only they can connect directly to usb devices on your system.Why the fuck you'd want that, I don't know.
>>108886831here's brave:https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Detecting-Brave-(for-Websites)>In general, it is not a privacy goal for the Brave browser to hide from websites that the user is using Brave.so plenty of sites ban brave for being a scam.
>>108884668fucking ADP
>>108887911Oh, my mistake if so. I thought the point of Ladybird was to build a new engine.I'm a bit confused though, because I see that they have some relation with WebKit, but they also have the screenshot here on their homepage where they say they're building an independent engine, and it isn't a fork.
>>108887911>>108889636Here's a little more from their site. Is it possible it used to use WebKit, but doesn't anymore?
>>108889619All that stuff is voluntary on the part of Brave, and they are willing to remove it if it affects their users. They publish their list of sites they already disable it for, and if that blocking ever became widespread they would probably let everyone disable it universally.
>>108889636That anon is retarded. It's a custom JS and CSS engine, it's not WebKit. They only take some libraries of different browsers and projects, like the Firefox PDF viewer (pdf.js). There is no benefit in making your own PDF parser when pdf.js already exists as a proven standard. Same applies to a few other libraries.
>>108889691>>108889659>>108889636I must be remembering wrong then. Actually interesting. The only other one I was interested in was netsurf, but progress is so slow it's pointless.
>>108889691Thanks for the information. I think that makes sense with the pdf js thing. There's no sense in reinventing the wheel for tangential stuff like that.>>108889785It is pretty cool. Really good to see another player and one with no financial incentives. Last time I looked into it Ladybird was the only newcomer, but this time I've also seen Servo (now under the Linux Foundation) has had some attention. Hope either or both of them start to carve out a little more of the market share.
>>108889820>Winblows 11 Homo (25H2) x86_64
>>108889820>1919x1079you lost some pixels nigga
The root is trannyfox faggots refusing to implement shit people actually want. Instead they spend all their time whining about trump and chuds and so forth
>>108883542it is controlled by evil entities, they want to read all the traffic so you are forced into using the interfaces they provided for you
>>108887354The devs are also at fault
>>108890874No they're not retard. Increasing compatibility increases the development, testing and QA scope and thus delivery time and/or cost. Budget and release date decisions come from the middle and upper management, aka Karens, executives and investors.
>>108884636>Chromium based browsers are the only secure browsers currently on the marketSo you're saying that most major Linux distributions ship with an unsafe browser (Firefox) by default?
>>108883542I can't even log in to facebook because the recaptcha gets stuck in a permanent loop of strongest tier captchas and then it jumps back to the login window. With Edge I get 1 easy captcha only. Total horse shit.>>108886831>Only way to avoid this is to run special browsers that are made to be non-customizable so you blend in with thousands of other users.And then you stand up by being the one in a million user who uses an anonymized browser. Absence of data is still a fingerprint.
>>108884643>Just don't use fireslop.>just hand google their monopolyNo thanks, I will continue to use Firefox.
>>108891083Use a webkit based browser.Also you are not really hurting google.
>>108890980yes
>>108890980>So you're saying that most major Linux distributions ship with an unsafe browser (Firefox) by default?Why does that surprise you? Desktop Linux distributions are notoriously unsafe compared to commercial operating systems.
>>108891097>Use a webkit based browser.There aren't any good ones.
>>108883542Browsers are massively complex platforms, even more complex than your operating system. And google makes sure to implement the most complex features which make it impossible to for other browsers to keep up. Also, lots of websites will shit the bed unless these features are implemented exactly how they are in Chrome including Chrome specific quirks. And for systems as complex as a Browser, there is basically no way to match all the Quirks of Chrome besides being chrome.
>>108891363Orion
>>108883542Everybody uses Chromium. There's no point in targeting a meme browser that nobody uses.
>>108891475>Orion>mac os only
>>108891633Beta is already released on linux
>>108883542Devs only test with chrome because that is what everybody uses. Mobile sites will often also be tested with safari, but that's it.
Did Jewtube got updated again?Videos are not loading because I have uBlock running.Dumb fucking Pajeets
>>108883542this fucking website does it as well, mobile firefox gives fake rangebans and chrome doesn'tsome very jewish shit
>>108883542There is no ECH and the browser is wife open for SNI snooping
>>108884636False, please see >>108892346
>>108889859>Hope either or both of them start to carve out a little more of the market share.Come van in the next 20 years
but why does 4chan give fake rangebans for chromium and not firefox?
Icecat is what firefox should be. https://guix.gnu.org/manual/1.5.0/en/html_node/Installation.htmlhttps://packages.guix.gnu.org/packages/icecat/
>>108888136They're losers who don't do anything of value
Anons, I want to go back.
