>leave a clients new windows 11 perfectly configured>disable tons of garbage, firewall everything not needed>1 moths passes>client calls that nothing works>somehow aero tweaker is broken, mail stopped working, libreoffice don't open anymore and menus are all fucked up againHow do they do it? updates were forced disabled HOW THE FUCK did it manage to break itself?
>>109221392>aero tweakerSorry, quit the thinker tranny shit, you are using aggressive tweaks.Also, if you don't want tinkering to break shit buy LTSC.
>>109221423>you are using aggressive tweakswhat else is there to use? it's a work PC so any AI, copilot auto update slop is a nono. Windows 10 worked perfect for 7 years with updates off it's only with pajeet 11 and somehow even the "aggressive" tweaks that shit breaks by itself.
>>109221392>clientskek your cousin is not a client Joao Prajeet
>>109221451They snuck the new fucked up start menu with the iPhone folders in under a quality update, so even if you had feature updates off,a bunch of hot dog shit vibe coded jeetware just snuck in, and the cherry on top is you cannot uninstall this update. >File deletion, totally broken >New preloaded "fast cpu scheduler" for the start menu causes your mouse to stop updating randomly for a few milliseconds>New retarded start menu>New gay outlook>New copilot integrated appsI took a look at the current weight of W11 yesterday with all of my personal files excluded, and it was 77GB just for the OS. I reverted to W10 Pro and from here I'll probably move on to Linux once ESR ends in the highly likely event W12 is just total dog shit unusable trash.
>>109221506well that explains the fucked up menu so aero tweaker couldn't filter this? that probably also explains why libreoffice broke and needed an update
>>109221529I have a feeling every start menu tweaker got butt fucked with the new preload update
>>109221506For the autists: 77GB for the OS + apps, some of which may include a game from a decade ago or two, but a good a chunk of this weight was coming from W11's copilot jeetbloated apps.
>>109221451>what else is there to use? it's a work PC so any AI, copilot auto update slop is a nono. Windows 10 worked perfect for 7 years with updates off it's only with pajeet 11 and somehow even the "aggressive" tweaks that shit breaks by itself.Consumer versions of Windows are typically extended betas.Feature updates that require something in the future will then break the OS later. Use LTSC or Server. if deep customization is what you want. Or change things Microsoft won't touch later.
>disable tons of garbage, firewall everything not needed>surprised when gutted system doesn't properly worksNever go full retard.
>>109221506>>File deletion, totally brokenMissinformation, file deletion is NOT broken.What they broke is cosmetic, it's just correct name labeling when deleting a file.No the filename is not lost, the way the filename is shown is broken when emptying the recycle bin. However, when multiple files are deleted it will just give a generic warning that amount is being deleted (works as intended).They broke this on all versions of Windows.>Will they fix itBecause it's cosmetic likely on the back burner.>DURRR LOONIX BOATAR!No, it isn't come back to me when simple management worksOr that audio doesn't destort when two sources are playing.Or when the command line is removed of core parts of the system and everything can be done graphically.Or when mentality changes in the linux desktop space were devs aren't up their own ass (Yes, K FUCKING DE has these fuckheads as well.)The day they admit UNIX was a terrible desktop OS and that Linux is based on terrible fundamentals is the day Linux will move forwards in the desktop.Even when Microsoft breaks their OS it's build on fundamentals that far exceed anything the Linux desktop does right now.
>>109221506>I took a look at the current weight of W11 yesterday with all of my personal files excluded, and it was 77GB just for the OS.you need to run the disk cleanup utility to remove leftover installation files
>>109221392>aero tweaker on a client's PCIs this client your gamer roommate / brother? Come on now.
>>109221392>lincel tries to tinkertranny an OS he knows nothing about on production workstations and breaks everything>blames windows for his own freetardation 100% on scriptand this is why the only """"""job"""""" youve ever had were ones like these were your uncle took pity on you and gave you $50 to do basic shit for himpity for you it's your last
>>109221392>Install normal windows 11 Pro using rufus USB to disable most bullshit>Let windows auto update per usual>it just fucking worksWOW SO FUCKING HARDI still don't understand how supposed IT professionals can't figure this shit out
>>109221392Why autist like you think you are smarter than Microsoft?Just install the default OS and stop thinkering on a closed source system that you have no control.
>>109221392I put all the non-networked programs in a VM just so I don't have to worry about updates making them unusable or trying to "update" them by adding botnet AI.
>>109223515look, you people should live in real world before posting comments like this because unless you manage a big company truth is small businesses will call you to setup basic office computers that they impulse bought on amazon. Your austistic tantrums won't fly since they will never call you again. You work with what is given, do your best and move on because the moment you mention to buy licenses for server version, pirate or do some funky autism shit, You Are OUT. 20 year IT veteran btw
>>109224261>look, you people should live in real worldSaaaaaaaar
>>109224261also most small businesses tend to call AFTER they bought a computer, settled in it by having their nephew/family friend help and then when something breaks call you. You arrive at a scene where any mention of reinstalling anything is met with heavy resistance so you can't just autism tantrum a solution by doing things that the clowns above mentioned.
best way of creating regular customers is to arrive, fix the problem with no complaints, feel them out if they would be open for suggestions and only then suggest upgrades or leave. Some customers will take their business serious and invest in buying and setting up a server and/or enterprise clients others will feel insulted that their free or cheap mail/cloud solution isn't enough to store vital information that they just lost.>but it worked before? why should I pay more now?>I touched nothing!>my friend friend said that..>usually everything just goes here, make it go here!the fun never ends
>>109224299>You arrive at a scene where any mention of reinstalling anything is met with heavy resistanceThat's insanity. It takes maybe 45 minutes to an hour to get a fresh install set up with a script. Another transfer script (or professional shit if your MSP isn't whack) and you're done. If it's going to take you longer than that just reinstall the OS if you're physically at the computer.Dicking around with the registry as a deployment method should be scripted as well.
>>109224383A lot and I mean a lot of small offices still run windows xp/7 with custom written spaghetti code software that manages their tooling or systems, reinstalling and migrating to fresh OS becomes flying to the moon undertaking since the software is severely obsolete
Why do people accept the enjeetification of software? Programs are tens of thousands of times slower and more bloated than they need to be thanks to jeets.
>>109224404I can predict the small IT guy work wiped out by the increasing "privacy" policies, forced updates, cloud and AI slop soon since you have 0 control over the software released today also >linuxstill laughing stock outside server use so unless hired by big tech better get ready to be glovo/uber pleb soon
probably certs
>tinker tinker tinker I am so, SO smart>a month later>uuuhhh why isnt this working??
>wtf why arent the air holes making my windows car go faster?>why wont the AC turn on?>why is my coolant leaking?>why do i smell gasoline?freetards in a nutshell
the state of /g/ lmao zoomers are truly fucked in the head from the replies here, yes yes don't touch anything buy the right product, don't ask questions. What a bright future we have ahead with the upcoming competency crisis
>but you tinker too much man! it's ur fault for touching things!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSGKMBfTEzw
>>109225076>What a bright future we have ahead with the upcoming competency crisisthisfreetards these days don't even know how to turn off basic shit like a little picture in the default search bar in w11they don't even know how to turn off the search bar completelythey lack even the most basic of computer skills to open a menu and read subheadings to find the start menu section and lookinstead they'll just cry like little bitches and make 50000+ daily threads about their technology illiteracy on /g/tech is fucking doomed
>>109225092Really shocking how a 5 second task has confused and puzzled freetards for a decade, and they still can't figure it out.
the current 20 somethings are simply incapable of being freelance IT their social skill is in the negatives and their reasoning insane
>>109221392>be sysadmin>do a test>fresh install of golden image on a desktop>physically decide to break the fucking wifi card and ethernet just for the lulz of testing>start menu literally defaults back to tiles every few days despite no internet, despite nobody fucking touching the PCI have no fucking words.
>>109221506>They snuck the new fucked up start menu with the iPhone folders in under a quality updateIt gets so much worse. The new start menu also automatically reverts to the fucked-up useless AI-powered 'Category' view everytime Windows processes a group policy update, when certain policies (unrelated to the start menu even) are enabled.Spaghet-code.
>>109225211>start menu literally defaults back to tiles every few days despite no internet, despite nobody fucking touching the PCSee >>109225245Windows tries to sync for group policies every N days even if not actively pushed from a central management location.If your machine *currently* has any from a particular group of group policies enabled (e.g. via local group policy management or pushed centrally to the machine prior to keeping it disconnected from the network/internet) then every time Windows attempts the refresh, it will glitch out the start menu and reset it to the Category tiles view.
>>109225257 (cont.)Naturally, some of the 'trigger' policies include those commonly used to debloat Windows by turning off suggestions, blocking search from going out to the web, disabling the 'consumer experience', etc. etc.
>>109225257>GPOInterestingI'll get a new desktop and try it from the supplier and now use a golden image, jsut a default win 11 with no domain
>>109224131Faggot.>>109221392>How do they do it? updates were forced disabledThere is no such feature as "disable updates". Probably someone tried to connect a device over a network, disabled a firewal, run diagnostics, clicked OK on all "repair" suggestions and there you have it.
>>109225273>There is no such feature as "disable updates"my personal windows 11 pc has updates disabled for over a year now using the aero tweaker and nothing changed on it not even the menus. Something with the latest vibe coded updates broke that feature.
also>inb4>OMG DOODE! you vulnerable you GET VIRUSZES!I'm sitting on a 9 year old windows 10 install right now that had the updates disabled since 2021, I pirate movies and game every day, it works just as fast as day 1
>>109225305>doing this retarded shit instead of using LTSCNo I don't want to argue with you about it. I just want to point and laugh.
>>109221392>updates were forced disabled There's no such thing as "updates were forced disabled" since windows 10, it will reenable itself whenever it feels like it, only enterprise versions somewhat respect that setting, they can still nuke your GPU drivers though.
>>109221392>>109224261>20 year IT veteran btw>disable firewall>somehow aero tweaker is broken>mail stopped working>libreoffice don't open anymore>menus are all fucked upLMFAOYou're a 20 year veteran of making IT workers suffer, you absolutely ridiculous LARPjeet streetshitter.
>Disabling updates
>perfectly configured>firewall disabled>WinAero Tweaker>updates disabled>for a customerAnon you should be kept away from doing anything on other people's computers. What WinUtil does is all that anyone needs, WinAero Tweaker is good for smaller non-invasive niceties like changing the desktop icon grid size. What you did is you've made a ticking timebomb that needs constant maintenance, not something a client would ever want.All that people need to have a sane Win11 experience is the sort of minimal gut that WinUtil does. Disable consumer features, uninstall unneeded software, disable unneeded services, be left with a lean base that'll autoupdate as usual, have Windows Firewall and Windows Defender running as usual. Anything more and you're doing more harm than good. I've set people's computers up like this and there have been zero complaints. 99% of the reasons people hate Windows are the things that won't return after disabling/removing even on updates, and it's the sort of stuff that >>109225092 mentioned. I've experienced it first hand, people don't know how to disable the weather widget and are constantly annoyed by it, and it's like 4-5 clicks away in a GUI. Microsoft gives you an easy way to disable it but people suffer from learned helplessness so they just live with it and complain.
>>109225629I mean why would you want any windows updates that haven't been tested for at least 6 months. These jeeted updates are far too dangerous.
>>109221392>aero tweakerThis is bait right?>>109225318>There's no such thing as "updates were forced disabled"Correct. "Forced disabled" doesn't exist and screams retard alert. Updates can be disabled in a normal way. Unless it's Home edition.>since windows 10, it will reenable itself whenever it feels like it, only enterprise versions somewhat respect that setting, they can still nuke your GPU drivers though.Skill issue. I never had Pro update itself automatically.
another wave of absolute fucking retards have arrived that never worked a day in their life
>>109226091Very true my sir. I am also 10x engineer 20 year professional working with AeroTweaker Pro Edition every day in many business context. Certified.
nu /g/ truly thinks that working in IT you/client will have time to sit down and compile gentoo lmfao
>>109226145Accurate. We are all faced with the decision in professional IT environment: Do I use highly recommended AeroTweaker or do I compile gentoo? I know that I will always choose the AeroTweaker way to bypass group policy and registry saving valueble time.
>>109225315see>>109225087>broken update affected win 10 LTSC systems tooseriously at first I thought posters were trolling but you genuine are braindead and believe that using latest updates is safe, the goyversity that zoomers go to these days don't teach critical thinking, if something don't work it's assumed automatically your fault
jeetware's status: enjoyed
>>109221392Why are you using aero tweaker on a PC that'll be used by a normie in the first place>>109221423>Also, if you don't want tinkering to break shit buy LTSC.This. LTSC is clean, has lots of years of support and it just works. If you can't use LTSC because of some faggy company policy, then just make one of those automated xmls that disables the ADs and gets rid of the bloat. It's that simple
>>109226186>if something don't work it's assumed automatically your faultI cannot tell you enough how much this is happening to me also. You are very Brave mentioning it. No one is doing critical thinking anymore. I have been working in this field so long that it is now very simple formula to me:step 1>DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealthstep 2>sfc /scannowstep 3>Download Winaero Tweaker (No telemetry/spyware/ads confirmed)step 4>Download O&O ShutUp10step 5>Cients love the beautiful titlebars and fast opening start menustep 6>You are getting healthy monthly profit from client dedication nowIt only takes you thinking critically in this moment to work to become 20 year IT veteran.
>different flavors of shitty jeetware fanboys fightingoh I am laffing!
>hey I got this discounted computer on sale could you come over and setup my accounts on it?>NO SAAR first you buy enterprise license then I come over and spend 4 hours installing and setting up everything so you can watch tiktok and check mail safely>umm ok.. but could you make it look more like windows 7? >NO SAAR any third party software is not /g/ approved also always keep up to date sar do the needful
OP is still in here 12 hours later pretending he has a job and wasn't just fucking around on the new family PC
>>109226310>could you make it look more like windows 7?You can do that, but that shit is a hack and it can break anytime. You need to know that and explain to clients that they will need to pay for more tech support in the future if you do it.Why not just install Windows 10? It has free updates until 2028 (at least) and looks more like 7 and it breaks less and it's faster. There are very few PCs which actually need Windows 11.
>>109226458because the average Joe don't want to know anything you tell them, they got a computer and they want it to do things a certain way, if you start explaining why X and Y is better they zone out and label you as typical greedy asshole trying to squeeze them
>>109226548Same shit happens in bike shops, people bring garbage walmart bikes for mechanic to assemble, if you tell them it's unsafe and garbage and that you should invest in something better they label you as a greedy jew and go somewhere else. Freelance IT is no different.
>>109226559>>109226548He didn't say you should talk to them. He just said you should install something that isn't a bunch of unstable hacks. You can install Windows 10 and activate years of ESU for free, then pop on OpenShell if you really feel the need to. Boom, you're done, and nothing like you described in your OP will happen again.
The tragedy of current microslop is that everything come preinstalled with vibe coded mess and things you took for granted like disabling bloat requires third party software, so who gives a shit which jeetinker 2000 debloater software you use anyway? that is not the issue here. Microsoft vibe coding their OS that used to carefully considered legacy compatibility is the problem and there is no alternative since people with macs go to apple store and people with linux will DIY their shit anyway so your customers are all 100% affected by the poor updates.>>109226607you don't know to the lengths some users will go to fuck up their systems "accidentally" not to mention other tech support messing with your shit too it also don't help that sneaky microsoft scripts constantly bombarding users with prompts that could re-enable updates or fuck with group policies too, so never say never unless you disconnect form internet completely.
>>109226645Why are you letting users have admin privileges?
>>109226716because this is not linux? try running spaghett coded accounting software without it lmfao
>>109221392>disable tons of garbage You broke it.
>>109221392works on my machine. I take these threads as fanfiction.
>>109226755I manage over 100 users as a contracted provider for a couple of local businesses. There are over a dozen employees that handle finances and book keeping in the mix. Less than 10 of these users have admin rights. It has been standard practice in Windows environments, for decades, to severely limit user privileges. You are clearly very new to this, do not do anything outside of one-off / extremely short term jobs, and are LARPing your ass off.7/10 bait OP, purely for your commitment to the LARP.
>>109226844trying working in southern europe
>>109226844also>muh standard practicesyou deliberately compared medium sized establishments with multiple employees with it's own server to mom and pops stores with niche setups because you wanted to flex, I don't even use windows if I have to build a server/client system for a proper company from scratch, give you 8/10 for flex though.
>>109226873like clockworkday of the bullet cant come soon enough
>>109221392>linux requires jumping through too many hoops and always breaks itself, I'll use windows instead>meanwhile windowsAll jokes aside it's unbelievable it's gotten this fucking bad.
>>109221392Stop using 3rd party script kiddie garbage and learn how to use Gpedit.msc & Services.msc.t. haven't had a single issue with any clients since windows 8.1
why is this board nothing but garbage spam
>>109227172Since you don't know shit about Windows, what OP did was equivalent to trying and take Ubuntu, gut everything he deemed as evil, so everything related to Canonical, Red Hat and Poettering, which obviously cannot be done without dodgy hackarounds, and gave a system like that for someone tech illiterate to use, where it inevitably shat itself after a certain period of regular use.This is the caliber of retard OP was. Normal people WinUtil once and call it a day. Zero breakages, the system is cleaned up to where it feels something like Linux Mint and not stock Win10/Win11, ready to use.
>>109227172>be windows>commit suicide by jeetwarerofl
>>109226847who bought the prebuilt with the firebomb psu from kitatron
>>109224131>oy, don't remove the spyware and jeetbloat our professional H1B jeets have planted into your system goy, we know what's best for you goy
>>109223767>>109224035>>109224131lol the jeet-defense force is on full display for their jeet-ware dogshit.
>>109227202Not even gonna read>all that shit by (You)there are enough other problems with Microslop Vibedows 11 listed ITT for me to laugh at
>>109227202>Normal people WinUtilthere is no hope for you fucking retards I swear I lost IQ reading some shit here. Any "tweak" "util" "debloat" software in existence just makes it easy to cripple functions you could break manually if you wanted it's just convenient and fast to use and some come with extras like the aero tweak that "restores" windows 10 menus to users who got used to it and THAT IS IT. None of them will guarantee that windows will not shit itself randomly NONE that's the price of vibe coded updates so GET USED TO IT
>>109227331>i don't want to listen to reality or opposing opinion lalalaYep, freetards are as childish as usual.>>109227344You have no right to complain whenever someone repeats an old misinformed Linux myth like an absolute truth like "it's shit cuz you need to do everything from the command line". If you can't extend the same courtesy to Windows users, don't expect to be treated any better.
>>109226645>disabling bloat requires third party softwareWrong. Powershell removes all bloatware, zero 3rd party shit required.
>>109227348idk if it's delusion or schizophrenia but get you head checked because you either don't understand, don't want to understand or simply trolling with the shit you posted. There is literally proof posted ITT that jeetsoft vibe jeeted update that broke shit worldwide
>>109221423>thinker trannyOnly macfags say this shit because they're jealous you can't change shit on McOS.
>>109227426>let me proompt and complicate life for no reason when I'm on the clockor you know just like in windows 7 days you could just click a few things in the configuration tab (which is what third party software does for you btw)
>>109227437OP ripped out core system components as he deemed them as "bloat", including Windows Update, meaning that he fucked up someone else's PC by fucking with the OS in ways he doesn't understand but whatever, believe what you want to believe. At this point I feel the entire world went insane post-COVID and no actual discussions about anything can be made, everything's a tribal war and everything revolves around rage.
>>109227472what makes you think windows update is core component? are you sure you are not a post-COVID retard yourself? Previous windows versions functioned just fine without them hmm I wonder why that changed
>>109227485Neither (You) nor I know what the fuck OP did with that PC, but to me it sounds like he fucked it up so badly it needed a reformat. Then again, you seem to have as much of an understanding how Windows works under the hood as OP.Maybe stick to talking about operating systems you do know about, else don't expect to people extend the courtesy of only talking about the OS you understand if they understand it as well as (You) do.
>>109227472also how to spot retard zoomer moment>this nigga is unaware that windows still has NT code in it for legacy reasons and that any new feature is simply an addon to itbut don't worry soon your assessment will be correct once their vibe rewrite the entire OS
>>109227507yeah as I guessed, you are clueless idiot.
>>109227461Pasting a few PS commands takes no time. If you're a sysadmin you should have a list of them, and some registry scripts that you can deploy, instead of relying on some shitware that does god knows what.It's even faster than clicking through GUI settings.
>>109227544here we go with autistic tantrums again, news flash: no one cares how you do it. Compiling Arch btw VS downloading a distro makes 0 difference to normal people, only smelly spergs will remotely care
>>109227566It's about using official methods provided by MS, instead of some mystery shit that looks like it works the same, but maybe really doesn't and it breaks something.I got burned by 3rd party tweaks too, I speak from experience.
>>109227618What makes you think that automating a bunch of scripts is the culprit? do you niggers even read the thread? The verdict is: if your windows 11 is old enough to not have ungodly amount of recent vibe jeet code in it (like my install from 2 years ago for example) any debloater or tweaks still function correctly but if you are unlucky to have one of the latest updates there is no guarantee it won't break by itself randomly. There are people locked the fuck out from their PCs right now.
>pay a kidney for new SSD in the middle of shortage>microjeet blesses you with thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxPjrNmRLMA
>>109221392you literally cannot use that shit unless you disable all updates, delete all their shit possible, block microsoft ip at router and firewall leveleven rename their files and set to read only
>debloat>screenshots stop working>other weird explorer shell bugsI gave up a long time ago. I only use my Win11 Pro as a devbox for Windows shit and running MS SQL Server & IIS for testing and learnings.
>>109227521>ad hominem i wonI accept your concession.>>109227618By doing the whole "official vs third party" semantics spiel you automatically give up the argument. The entirety of Linux is 3rd party packages klodged together, it's disingenuous and hypocritical to scoff at the idea of using 3rd party software on Windows and expecting that everything has to come from Microsoft and be perfect. But at least it's a good setup to be able to complain in perpetuity I guess, no matter how idiotic it makes you sound.
>>109227734>ad hominem i won\>Neither (You) nor I know what the fuck OP did with that PC, but to me it sounds like he fucked it up so badly it needed a reformat.you literally said nothing of value except that you are clueless idiot that don't understand how windows works at all
I don't know if this is a Windows Enterprise thing or what, but somehow my IT department has locked down my Windows 11 work laptop so I only receive updates when they push them. I only have to install updates and restart about one a month. It's quite convenient since I do most of my work in a Linux VM.
>>109227801that's smart but also extreme measure for shit that supposed to be built-in
>>109227801now thinking about it it's very elegant solution for multiple clients, just install a whitelist firewall that blocks all traffic except for what you approve and cut out all secret telemetry that could backdoor an update from microsoft without your consent. No tweaks required.
>>109221392I guess it's likeSOFTWARE IS 000001.0000001 VERSIONS BEHIND! UPDOOOOT IT TO SEE YOUR SHITTY EMAILS (SECURE)
>>109221506and remember, it's gonna get even worse, it always does
>>109227801>since I do most of my work in a Linux VM.I honestly don't understand the whole Windows bullshit.I worked one job where they let me do whatever the fuck I want with the corporate device and I just installed NixOS on it and did my work. If something didn't work, it was my problem to solve, which I did. Had Skype working, Exchange bullshit, Kerberos, etc. I would think with even M$ moving towards InTune bullshit and whatever MDM or "zero trust" garbage, we could move past this insanity of corporate managed Windows Images.sorry for the rant, but I hate waging. I do the same thing. NixOS WSL2 or a Hyper-V VM.
>>109221506>I'll probably move on to Linuxdon't waitif you have questions about your new linux os ask AI to solve them in five minutes
