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Now that the dust has settled.

What's the verdict?
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>>59495172
It's shit, went back to 8.1
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>>59495172
It's great, better than 7
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Destroys my laptops battery life, downgraded to 8.1
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BOTNET
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>advertisements
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/thread
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>>59495172
I still have no reason to upgrade from Windows 7.
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>>59495200
>>59495241
>>59495280
Don't be mentally challenged and at least run antibeacon and ooshutup10.
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>>59495172


>Now that the dust has settled.

New tricks are pulled every day. The dust will never settle. People will just get used to being dusty.

Wake up sheeple! Somewhere out there is a GNU/Linux distro that suits you.
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>>59495353
>be mentally challenged and at least run 2 3rd party programs to stop my Personal Computers OS to spy on me

No thanks lad
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>>59495172
i like 8.1 more. Everyone wanted classic menu layout but now that microsoft made it it just seems 8.1 took more courage.
But really, 8.1 runs way better on both my pcs, and i use it one the desktop for overwatch only so there is no reason to upgrade.
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>>59495373
Then run OpenBSD and never run any software that matters you illiterate stupid shit.
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>>59495353

>Don't be mentally challenged and at least run antibeacon and ooshutup10.


Sure, trying to hack a proprietary OS is not being mentally challenged. Stop trying to fix the unfixable and ditch Windows.
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great aesthetics, shame about the spying
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>>59495404
Yeah, and linux is NSA hacked according to Wikileaks, so run OpenBSD and never run any software that matters you illiterate stupid shit.
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>>59495172
I absolutely love it. It works perfectly fine after you debloat/tweak it. Dumbfucks on /g/ spend more time ricing than actually configuring their OS.
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>>59495421

This is not about the government spying on you. This is about a company extorting you.
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manda-fucking-tory post
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>>59495423
>thinks "ricing" and "configuring" are two different things.

A-anon...are you ok?
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>>59495693
You know what I mean
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>>59495172
Botnet. It literally uploads passwords, keystrokes, picture files, and program files to Microsoft automatically in the background to check for "illegal content" so the cyber police can be notified.
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>>59495172
Better than SystemD
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>>59495401
No I'll stick to linux, thanks. Runs everything I could ever need and doesn't treat me as a product.
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>>59495280
What data do you tinfoilers even have that you think Microsoft would give a shit about? Do you think they have a team of hooknosed Jews looking through your anime search history and rubbing the hands together thinking about plots to make you some sort of slave? Microsoft doesn't give a shit about what you do. They want to improve their product and its easiest when they know how people are using it. Which features to add, and suggestions that make your life easier.
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>>59495732
do you have a single fact to back that up?
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>>59495800
>t. Moshee Bergstein
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>>59495815
it is known
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>>59495896
maybe you should get a job
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>>59495619
"one of them sent me example code as a screenshot embeded in a word doc"

What. The. Fuck. I ground my teeth reading this.
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It's a shame that DX12 is W10 only and the software producers go for this API instead of Vulcan.

Vulcan will never make it.
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>>59495911
I do, I work for GNU.
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>>59495940
>software producers go for this API instead of Vulcan
Star Citizen confirmed to use Vulkan only. The only DX12 exclusives have been shit tier console ports afaik.
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Windows 10 LTSB is great. There is litterally 0 reason to not use it over Win 7 or 8.

Cant quite say the same for regular windows 10 though, too many annoying features that require third party software to fix.
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>>59495172
NOW that the dust has settled?

It's fucking worse than day1 release.
So much worse.
Never go near it. Not even in a blackholed VM, it is worthless in every single definition of the word, even for people that obsessively like to break things, or fix things, it is perma-broke and unfixable.
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>>59496019
>>59495280
uhuh
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>>59495976
>Star Citizen

Not a valid argument.
It's pyramid scheme based unfinished game project.
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>>59495776
>doesn't treat me as a product.
>biggest distro is Amazon spyware
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>>59496237
>biggest distro is Amazon spyware
You're talking about the amazon search function that was only available in Unity and that has been removed years ago I presume? Thought so, sit back down itoddler, grow ups are talking.
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>>59495280
+++ botnet
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>>59495378
Feom my experience 7 and 8.1 have the same average FPS in benchmarks.
8.1 has higher "max fps" by 1-3 fps
10 has lower avg and max compared to 7.
min fps of 7 = 8.1 = 10.

make your choice. I did multilpe benchmarks, ran evry one of them 3 times and made a mean of those runs on my PC.
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>>59496202
The Talos Principle also uses Vulkan.
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>>59496342
YEAH! Windows 8.1 wins!
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Went back to 8.1.
Mainly because some games kept crashing, turns out it was a windows 10 exclusive feature. Too many things left a bad taste in my mouth, but main reason for reverting back was the issue with some games.

Eventually I'll have to "upgrade" back to that turd, but I'll stick with 8.1 for as long as I can.
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>>59496484
Mind you that those hogher FPS are more like some FPS spikes. Nothing noticeable. 7 and 8.1 have the same AVG which is what you're onterested.
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I only use windows 10 for gaming, everything else is ubuntu.
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A big fucking lie. I got a new PC with 8.1, hated the interface change from 7. Heard of windows 10, eventually upgraded my 8.1 laptop to stay up to date with the newer windows features while getting back that classic windows design. Now when I use it for basic stuff I have a bazillion different svchost.exes running, god knows what telemetry going on. Everytime I try to kill the stupid processes forcing updates behind my back they come back. It's a real pain the ass to have gigabytes of updates out of nowhere on a 1mbps internet connection. Ran out of disk space cause of this bullshit and had to open steam and quickly uninstall games to get my disk space above nothing. Also the new edge browser cant even handle running webms in 4chan. Poo in loos ruined windows.
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>>59496561
Fair enough, but until you run a retest Windows 8.1 has a nice placebo that I will use to comfort my buyer's remorse :)
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>>59495172
i don't have cortana and i never use the start menu for anything (since like XP).
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>>59495769
So tired of this meme
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>>59495421
>linux is NSA hacked according to Wikileaks
lolwat
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>>59495172
how do you really stop update on this ? i still get the update with windows update service disabled
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>>59495172
Its still a steaming turd.
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iss bad
just bad
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>>59495172
It's fantastic.

>le M$ spying meme
What do you have to hide aside from the fact that you're not unemployed since you don't cover the "actively looking for a job" part of the definition? lmao
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>>59495172

Windows 10 is actually pretty good. It has come a long way in the past decade, from being a shit OS that you could barely rely on not to crash and erase your stuff, to a reliable platform for education, enterprise, content creators, etc.

>But, muh botnet.

Yes, this is true. However, the NSA has been collecting all digital communications for much longer than windows 10 has been around. You should be much more afraid of the gub'mint than Microsoft.

Throughout history, no software company has yet put people into death camps, but many governments have.
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>>59495172
windows 10 kills drives
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>>59496862
why would you want to stop updates?
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>>59495172
>Windows 10
Here's your resource ill just leave this here
https://activeabuse.xyz
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>>59495172

It's like a hot girl. Has a TON of issues that you constantly have to get under control to make it useful in any way...but if you have the knowledge and patience the pay off is well worth it.
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Sucks, but what else is new.
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>>59499341
because it download when i'm playing
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>>59496862
just use wsus you fucking dip
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The only thing that interested me even slightly was WSL. Turns out it's a piece of crap that crashes if you look at it too long.
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i would never knowingly use an OS that forces me to update and gives me no choice in the matter

i would never knowingly use an OS that takes screenshots of my desktop at random intervals and sends them to a database somewhere

i would never knowingly use an OS that turns on my microphone at random, records an audio clip, and then uploads it to a database somewhere

i would never knowingly use an OS that lists every file on my computer, and checks them against a database of illegal/pirated files

i would never knowingly use an OS that punishes me for trying to install software from outside of the windows store

i would never knowingly use an OS that doesnt allow me to install the drivers i want, and will reinstall the latest drivers every time, even if the latest drivers are broken or reduce functionality

i would never knowingly think that someone who uses windows 10 isnt a dumb cunt
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Just works for me. But I need to get around to the ol' usual back-up & re-install. I haven't re-installed in almost a year now.

I keep Manjaro on my secondary solid state drive.
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>>59495172
LTSB is the only usable version

and literally any popular linux distro (or macOS) is better

veredict: use it only if it's your only option
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>>59501454
>i would never knowingly use an OS that forces me to update and gives me no choice in the matter
wrong, plenty of options
>i would never knowingly use an OS that takes screenshots of my desktop at random intervals and sends them to a database somewhere
turn the telemetry off of highest level, and even with it maxed out your statement is wrong
>i would never knowingly use an OS that turns on my microphone at random, records an audio clip, and then uploads it to a database somewhere
wrong
>i would never knowingly use an OS that lists every file on my computer, and checks them against a database of illegal/pirated files
wrong
>i would never knowingly use an OS that punishes me for trying to install software from outside of the windows store
wrong
>i would never knowingly use an OS that doesnt allow me to install the drivers i want, and will reinstall the latest drivers every time, even if the latest drivers are broken or reduce functionality
wrong
>i would never knowingly think that someone who uses windows 10 isnt a dumb cunt
epic XD
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>>59501558
You're wrong. You lose.
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>>59495800
>what does it matter if the police knock down your door in a pre-dawn raid, you have nothing illegal in your apartment, right?
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>>59501454
>lies, embellishment and fake news: the post
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>install windows 10
>nothing is broken
>noticeably faster
>open visual studio, continue work on my project
>laugh at retards who got exposed by vault 7 and didn't know about the hardware level botnet
>laugh at autists who use vim when I am 5 times faster in VS
>remember that lagdroid owners are forever BTFO when wiki leaks proved they have inferior security to iOS devices
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>>59501558
Just give up. There is no longer any objective measure of reality, just facts and alt-facts.
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>>59501765
Sure thing lad. Of course.
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>tfw you realize that if the government really wanted to they could break into your computer no matter what OS you're running once you're regularly using the internet
>realize that noscript and the like are literally pleb-tier that will only ward off script kiddie viruses and spyware
>accept that I have nothing to worry about since I'm not committing any crimes against humanity
>freely use and enjoy the pros of Windows, macOS and Linux
>mfw autists will still fight me down over this
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>>59495172
I have a dumb question. I know that windows license keys are tied to the motherboard. But what if I have two different boot drives running windows? Would they both be activated if one of them is, as long as it's on the same motherboard?
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>>59495172

Just out of curiosity:

Can Win10 install on a computer that has no network access at all? Or will the installer insist on trying to get updates during installation and hang forever until it finds them?

The reason I ask is because we've got some old XP machines on our production line that we've been wondering about upgrading. But, for reasons of regulatory compliance, we are forbidden from connecting them to any kind of networking or USB drives -- all production software they run must be run directly from a specially-approved DVD-ROM. So whatever OS we install, it's forbidden from connecting to the internet during or after the install.

It's not a big deal -- we can continue to use XP pretty much forever -- but it would be interesting to know if Win10 is an option for our kind of application.
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>>59496841
vault 7
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>>59502672
That's not even about the NSA.
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>>59502208
Yes. NIC detection is done as part of the setup and some relevant prompts are omitted if one isn't found.

- t. guy who had to install NIC drivers after the OS
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>>59502203
In 10 keys are to your MS account if you use one for your machine
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>>59502705
Thanks for the info.
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>>59495249
>>59495280
>>59495409
>>59495732
>>59496284
>>59501454
>hurrdurr i breathe through my mouth how do i blink
>boohoo a setting i dislike is enabled by default, literally unusable
Nothing is perfect for you out of the box. At least fucking try and stop being such manchildren.
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>>59502931
>implying the settings can be proven to do what they say
>implying they don't have a habit of being silently changed back
>implying privacy-hostile defaults are not a problem
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>>59495172
>What's the verdict?
My next PC is gonna be BSD.
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>>59502945
DWS Lite is the best Windows 10 privacy tool.
>>59502945
I disabled windows update so that my settings won't change.
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>>59503002
>turning off updates
What's it like being a danger to yourself and others?
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>>59503037
It isn't though.
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>>59503037
>turn off updates
YOU fuck your shit up
>keep updates on
>get your shit fucked up by M$
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It's shit, granted it's better than 8/8.1 but still shit. Stick with Win 7. Hell 7 supports 192GB of ram so those who like lots of ram should be set for a long while yet. (most of the speecy threads the ram total is 8/16GB on average)
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>>59504299
Win 8.1 is actually pretty good once you install classic start. Off the top of my head it handles multiple monitors much better by letting you have a task bar on each monitor and have it only show what programs are on that monitor. In 7 I had to install a third party tool to do this and it didn't work very well and I ended up uninstalling it.
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>>59495172
>linux for server
>windows for gaming
>mac for desktop
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>>59495172
Heavy on disc usage, heavy on battery life, heavy on bloat

Keeping home laptop on 8.1

The only benefit is having my one drive account sync my documents automatically, but i already had that functionality with an arguably better sharing and backup system
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>>59495172
still a disaster unfortunately
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>>59495172
We're forced to use it because it's the only OS that is going to keep up with new technology and it's extremely frustrating because of the bugs, the stalinian updates regime and the privacy concerns.

Microsoft has successfully made us its bitches.
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>>59495172
Decent for my tablet
Terrible for my ThinkPad
The most terrible BotNet ever.
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>>59505849
Speak for yourself, cuck.
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>>59504405
>mac for desktop

I'm a pro DJ, do I need to have the touch bar to take my DJing skills to the next level? I hear I do.
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Just run LTSB and block everything else at the router level.
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>>59501007
more like a 6/10 with the female equivalent of autism
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>>59502945
>implying the settings can be proven to do what they say
>settings can be proven to do what they say
>do what they say


/g/ in a fucking nutshell. Fucking paranoid schizos
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>>59495172
Has a bug that prevents the machine from shutting down
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>>59496237
It wasn't even an amazon spyware. Queries were sent to canonical only that used their server as proxy si amazon can't know who made which search
You don't know shit about linux, juste stop posting
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>>59496377
And doom ans unity ans unreal engine and cryengine ...
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If you get a copy of windows 10 education and disable the spyware it's actually pretty good desu.
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>>59495172

Cancerous Adware that will constantly be listening through Cortana if you have a microphone and recording anything you type, anything you run, and whatever other information that MS decides it needs for selling to advertisers and the government.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSfNu-bBWk
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>>59495172
Garbage
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>>59495172
trash
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>>59495172
malware
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It's not good enough.

Constant updates which don't ensure a better user experience and often break tampering done explicitly for customization purposes. Ads here and there. Apps that don't really offer anything better than what was already there for generations. Really, it's nothing but trouble. I went back to 8.1 and not 7, mainly because I'm more comfortable with it.
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>>59495172
using 7 until it dies

will use 8.1 until it dies afterwards

will stop using a pc when 8.1 dies
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>>59495172
yesterday i left the machine alone for like 10 minutes at most when i went to check the ten o' clock news on tv. Came back and it was like FUCK YOU WE'RE UPDATING YOUR SHIT NAO. I've heard that sometimes it fucks up the programs that are open when it shuts down... Thankfully it didn't (at least this time).
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>>59506330
This
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>Anon you should use GNU + Linux it doesn't track you
>Anon you should use DDG it doesn't track you

Open source software can track you.

Duck duck go is a honey pot.
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>>59507915
you're missing some things here.

a) if open source would track you, you'd know about it
b) please provide source
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>>59495172
I embraced the botnet.
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>>59495172
>Now that the dust has settled.
the dust will never settle
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>>59507915
Open source software has had mission critical bugs before that went unnoticed for months. Even the most minor deliberately placed bug can allow for remote code execution.

Not to mention compilers or even the hardware itself. You can use open source compilers but you can't audit your CPU.

DDG has no warrant canary and their only proof is their word. Filename related.
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>>59508007
which get fixed when found. Proprietary code is worse because you just have no fucking idea how bad the code is.

noted.
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>>59495172
It will be the next major OS, no doubt about that.
LTSB N are less botnet, don't even consider Home editions.
Things will continue to go this way until Nutella steps down.
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>>59495172
A blatant offence to the principles of liberty and intimacy.
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>>59495200
Hey brother
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>>59508331
How is LTSB N these days? I considered it but I remember that everytime I try one of these Windows versions touted by /g/ for being "not as bloated" and "less botnet" or whatever, it ends up breaking something and showing me that perhaps that one version wasn't exactly hidden from random people who wanted a better version, but had a different purpose.
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>>59495172
Literally can't see one
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>>59508440
> but had a different purpose
Maybe. It's good for a family PC because parents don't want to learn new things and there's basically only a few UI tweaks: login screen is different from 7, keyboard layout shortcuts may be obnoxious, and my problem is that UWP control panel is the new standard.
If you want to experience UWP applications (MS games, maybe?), use an Enterprise version, still can control updates and set telemetry to a minimum.
Probably the only letdown for Windows 10 N is that abandoned software sometimes detects the N version, requires MS media pack to be installed, but still can't recognize if it's installed. Other than that, well... My mom doesn't call me to tell about computer, so it's good.
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>>59495332
what are going to do once AMD and Intel forces you to swap out a new CPU?
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>>59495172
Microsoft's effort to be Mac OS 2.0, without the advantages of being a macfag.
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>>59508007
meanwhile
>Security researchers with Vectra Threat Labs recently uncovered a critical vulnerability (CVE-2016-3238) affecting all versions of Microsoft Windows reaching all the way back to Windows 95. The vulnerability involves the way that client devices interact with network printers, and allows an attacker to execute code at system level either over a local network or the Internet.

https://info.vectranetworks.com/understanding-printer-vulnerabilities
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>>59508926
without the advantages of being a macfag
But they provide an anal probe as well.
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>>59508007
Anatidaephobia is real
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>>59495172
>dust
More like asbestos.
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Bloatware OS piece of shit that tries to ransom gaymers into upgrading it with dx12.
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>>59495172

Absolute, complete, irredeemable horse shit.
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>>59502931
You're part of the problem.

I don't mind changing settings. What I do mind, is that I have to install a 3rd party application to stop the freaking os from pushing me ads/spying on me.

I have no idea what they do or do not collect specifically, but that doesn't matter. I should be able to choose exactly what information they can see, and what information the cannot see, it's my machine, and it's running an os that I paid for.

It's the same thing with updates. I understand that it is more secure for the general populace if everyone is forced to update. But it is still my machine, so they don't have the right to choose that for me.

If anything gives anyone else control over my machine, I refuse to use whatever that thing is. In the past, they were called viruses/malware. Now, retards like you have made that behavior ok.
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>>59495800

>so what, the government wants to routinely read your incoming mail and text messages, they are just checking to make sure you are not a terrorist or doing anything illegal. Who cares if what is perceived illegal can change depending on who is running the show? you have nothing to hide!
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>>59510088
>it's running an os that I paid for

Somebody doesn't understand what "licensing agreement" means.

If you don't agree to it, then you don't have to abide by its terms. And you also don't get to use the software.

Time to invoke your free market options and use something with a licensing agreement that you agree to. What is so hard to understand about this?

Nobody has any "right to computer."
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>>59510178
>Time to invoke your free market options and use something with a licensing agreement that you agree to.

I've done that. See:
>If anything gives anyone else control over my machine, I refuse to us whatever that thing is.

I don't use windows 10. I said that in my post.
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>>59510178

>in a desert
>unlimited water
>no food
>there is a food dispenser
>no lever
>ask nearby guy, selling levers
>"you have to buy a lever from me friendo"
>"I have no money"
>"no need. we can trade. i'll tell you a very long story and then you can use it"
>okay.
>also you have to jerk me off while you pump
>what? no way
>WELL, IT IS A FREE MARKET SO, FEEL FREE TO MAKE YOUR OWN LEVER THEN! I SEE SOME TWIGS AND OTHER RANDOM GARBAGE YOU CAN USE LOL!
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>>59495353
telemetry still runs from the kernel in the background no matter your settings or what you install
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>>59510739

I tried all the bullshit to get Windows 10 to shut the fuck up. The anniversary update fucked all of that up so much it was easier just to go back to 8.1 and patch that instead.
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>being this much of a corporate apologist
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Is anyone able to download the windows 10 upgrade file?
I get this weird bug where the upgrade file won't donwload and the button turns "outlined"
>www.microsoft.com/accessibility/windows10upgrade




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