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>>59982837
The song archie is using is called Hit Vibes by Saint Pepsi its the first track on the album.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r2zleGxv7w
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China is a 3rd world shithole that is incapable to producing anything original or high quality.

Great country to buy shitters from
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>>59983050
Not entirely correct.
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>>59983050
The original Tongji movements and watches are nice, but the Deng Xiaoping reforms towards market economy in the 80's made them all devolve into low quality shitters.
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>>59983126
Fuck that's gorgeous
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Press F to pay respects to my F91, as I got my Seiko yesterday

so to all of you who were like me, constantly browsing these threads but didn't have a watch - here is some legitimate advice. It is worth it to drop a few hundred on a very nice automatic and simply never buy another watch again. Don't do what I do and cheap out and get the cheapest option available, as although there isn't exactly anything WRONG with the Snk803 I have, it was not satisfying at all.

It was definitely worth it to have shelled out more and had something that I would have taken actual pride and joy in, rather than going with the bare minimum here as you can see.

Besides my mentioning that one should not go all-out cheap, one also should not spend over $350 on a watch, $400 is pushing it. The definition of the word luxury (depending on which dictionary you use of course) is "something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary" - You can still get a nice watch within the $100 to $400 range, that will look and feel good, and it also won't be so expensive that you would fall into worry over it, or into the slippery slope of diminishing returns.

>tl;dr this gets the job done, but it would have been worth it to buy something nicer, I've found myself not displeased, but indifferent to it on day one - because I'm aware I very well could have gotten a better watch
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>>59983128
it really isn't
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>>59983128
Most of the watches looked good too. They mostly came with white dials and chromed cases whether they were Shanghai, Baoshihua, Beijing, Zhongshan etc. branded.
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>>59983161
you're just a basic consumer that loves to spend and be companies' bitch.
i have an snk803 and a couple more expensive watches and I fucking love the seiko, it's the last watch I would get rid of.
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>>59982920
wait why is this actually good music
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>>59983128
t. Zhao Bao
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>>59983161
>and it also won't be so expensive that you would fall into worry over it,

To be honest I stopped worrying about my 3k watch after the first month. It isn't gaudy and obviously expensive so nobody will steal it and they're designed to be worn after all.
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>>59983128
t. has never seen a picture of the inside of a watch
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>>59983071
if this was wapanese it would sell so fast
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>>59983197
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, this is also why your mom is the only one who gives you compliments
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>>59983268
They've already all sold m8.
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>>59983212
I like it too, but it just wasn't what I thought it would be

I realized I would have preferred something now with a more classic look, and probably just time markers and the hands with a small branding, think dressy looking

What triggered me was when I looked at the circle-tipped dashes, and saw that they looked a bit cheap when you really focus on it. I think a dress watch with actual solid markers rather than a painted dial would have been a better fit for me

shrug/10
its not horrible by any means! I do like it, I just think I should have chosen something more to my tastes that I didn't know I had yet

>>59983240
it is good that you didn't go with gaudy/attention seeking, but it still is a diminishing return
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>>59983285
>but it still is a diminishing return

True enough, my favourite watch by a mile is my other one which costs under $1000
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>>59983283
yeah that's what the chinese want you to think.
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>>59983071
>blued sword-style hands
>ripping off glorious nippon granduu seiko
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>>59982920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbgr9cP-keg

Here is the base song.
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Can someone with a thin wrist post a shot wearing a 42mm Swatch. Their lug to lug is only 47mm so it seems doable.
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>>59983482
Not a Swatch but this is a 42mm watch with practically no bezel on my 6.5" wrist. Too small for that style imo but up to you obv
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What logo should I put on it?
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>>59983506
A rolex one :^)
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>>59983311
>seiko invented dauphine hands

:^)
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>>59983506
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>>59983506
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>>59983502

it was clear from his post he was interested in lug geometry, not bezel-related optical illusions. you can tell because he specifically mentioned the lug-to-lug distance.

there is a whole lot more to how a watch wears than a two-dimensional look at the dial size.
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>>59983518
Fischer Islands belong to Japan, Nanjing massacre was a blessing.
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>>59983559
Fair point, lug to lug is 48 so still pretty similar.
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$75
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I like the look of these two watches, but I don't want to get the one on the left with the gold plated case cause the plating will eventually wear off. Do you think the one on the right with the steel case and two tone dial will look equally good on a leather strap?
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>>59983506
The 4chan clover
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>>59983617
The shape of the case is exactly the same, it should look fine
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>>59983518
>dauphine hands

I don't know how or why that style of hands have that name, nor do I know for that matter why "Louis XIV" hands are so-named, in the sense that I can't identify a particular watch with a particular noblemen. I suspect that is lost in history.

Dauphine, though, is the feminine form of "dauphin" in French and refers to the wife of a dauphin. Here's what I do know about "dauphin":

NOUN: 1. The eldest son of the king of France from 1349 to
1830. 2. Used as a title for such a nobleman.

ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old French, title of the lords of Dauphiné, from Dalphin, Dalfin, a surname, from dalfin, dolphin (from the device on the family's coat of arms).
Middle English, from Old French daulfin, blend of daufin and Old Provençal dalfin, both from Medieval Latin *dalfinus, from Latin delph nus, from Greek delph s, delph n-, from delphus, womb (from its shape).
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>>59983603
Is this a Chinese company?

If so I'd like either this or the Falun Gong logo.
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>>59983506

swastika
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>>59983268
If it wasn't $800 for a basic as fuck watch it would sell so fast.

At that price you're saying:

No thanks I don't want a JDM Seiko and spend the other half on hookers
No thanks I don't want a vintage Omega
No thanks I don't want to save a bit more and get a Speedmaster

It's a good watch but there's so many things better than it for that price.
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>>59983737
>comparing used to new
>comparing a chrono to a dress watch
The "JDM Seiko" comparison might hold some weight if you'd specify a model, but as it stands you're just not maing any sense.
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>>59983737

not the guy you are replying to, and not interested in the watch... but new watches really are not direct competitors with vintage, and the other two things you listed are explicitly different prices.

i get your point, but you set yourself up to compare it to other new watches around the same price and then just... didn't. all told, not such a great post, 3/10, might read again once but not twice.
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>>59983791
I'm saying if you have $800 in your hands there are many better watches to buy before you buy that.

When designing a product you need to think carefully at the price point you're placing it at because of this.
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>>59983648

GAY
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>>59983824

it's for good luck :)
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>>59983737
This only makes sense if you only have $800 for 1 watch. Most people who buy $800 already own other watches at similar price points.
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>>59983824
wtf I hate the nazis now
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>>59983810
Except "better" doesn't really mean much. Are there any objectively better watches? Because that doesn't mean anything.
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>>59983898
I'd say a watch from a known Swiss or Japanese company would be objectively better than a Chinese watch from an unknown and untested company.

The Chinese watch isn't going to hold any value as no one has heard of the brand before.

It's not a bad watch, but it needs to cost $300.
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>>59983898
Yes quartz watches are objectively better than mechanicals :^)
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>>59983937
>The Chinese watch isn't going to hold any value as no one has heard of the brand before.
See, that's just a single criterion that most people don't give a shit about

>>59983939
now we're talking
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>>59983959
Resell value is one of the most important criteria for buying luxury watches. That's why cunts go for the specific man on the moon version of the speedmaster, or a Rolex over a Tudor or why Tag Huer are dog shit.
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>>59984009
just go back to archie's channel
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>>59984009
>Resell value is one of the most important criteria for buying luxury watches
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>>59984009
>>59983959
No one wants to think that their watch massively depreciates in value as soon as it's brought.
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>>59984009
>archie posts in /wt/

Neat.
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>>59983220
Its new style called vavporwave,creating music without constraints or care for copyright.
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>>59984030
Fuck off m8.

I hate that cunt. He's the type of moron that is unemployed and takes out a 10k credit card loan to buy a watch.
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>>59984055
aaaaand now you've lost me.

>>59984059
but you seem to share the same interest in watches.
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>>59984055
>Its new style called vaporwave
>Vaporwave
>New
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>>59984059
He's the type of person to unironically own a $20,000 solid gold Rolex and still beg for donations. The gall of it is hilarious.
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>>59984085
>aaaaand now you've lost me.
Just go with Yung Bae - Bae,its pretty sweet album.
>>59984094
>2010
>not new
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>>59984116
>Hey everyone here's my NEW car, it's 7 years old.
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>>59984085
Your dumb ass made a stupid ass statement regarding the importance of resell value and then I explained why your monkey brain is wrong and you couldn't think of a counter argument so you resorted to straw manning me by comparing me to that fat horned cunt.
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>>59984136
In terms or artistic direction that fucking nothing.
Baroque for example lasted for centuries lol
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>>59984101
That's the thing, he doesn't own anything. It's all on credit
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>>59984148
but you're wrong, resale value doesn't make a watch better. just because you buy things you can't afford doesn't mean other people have to care;
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>there are people posting in this thread who don't buy their luxury watches used
>they don't know they can get every luxury watch for 40% cheaper
>they don't know people buy overpriced shit and regret it later
>they don't know wives make men sell their watches to buy handbags instead
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>>59984201
>i am too dense to find the gif
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>>59983898
Are you a retarded or just a refugee from TGV's comment section?
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>>59984228
Please educate me. tell me how your magic system to rate watches objectively works, and how a vintage omega is a better watch than a maison celadon.
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>>59984215
>i post gifs instead of WEBMs

What is this 2012?
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>>59984249
touche
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>>59984246
1. Step into average workplace
2. "Hey check out my Omega"
3. "Nice watch", "Damn son," "Check out Bond over here lol".

1. Step into average workplace
2. "Hey check out my maison celadon"
3. "Who", "What?" "Did you get that of aliexpress?"
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>>59984246
>Please educate me.

Literally fuck off back to R eddit desu. Spoon feeding needing lazy moron who holds opinions and posts misinfo
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>>59984277
Literally who walks around saying "check out my watch"
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>>59984277
wow, you sure showed me. i love spending my money for other people's opinions.
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>>59984277
>1. Step into average workplace
>2. "Hey check out my Omega"
>3. "Nice watch", "Damn son," "Check out Bond over here lol".

this is what meme on the moon owners actually believe
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What did they mean by this?
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>>59983506
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>>59983617
Here you go
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>>59984277
>mfw someone with an ALS 1815 chrono, breguet, JLC geophysic and I'm sure many others recognized and complimented my imperial

Guess you just don't hang around watch autists irl.
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>>59984201
Is there a good reason to buy a new watch?
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>>59983161

This guy buys one watch and suddenly he's an expert on the frugality of watch purchasing. You learn what you like by owning watches. I sold two divers because they were so redundant. I learned that I didn't like them anymore now that I had more watches that I liked better. I started out with a shitty timex, moved onto a quartz Seiko, then moved onto an Invicta 8926ob, then more Seikos and orient, etc.
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>>59984641
0 scratches. But yeah most of the current-era watches apart from Japanese, Rolex, Vostok, and some microbrands are absolute dogshit.
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>>59984681
He's right though. It's better to buy 1 £2000 watch every 10 years than 5 £400 watches every 2 years.
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>>59984641
I don't think so

The only new watch I would ever buy would be a steel Rolex sub desu. I would go to an AD in a tax free state like Delaware, offer to pay cash for a small discount and fuck off.

Prices between used and new Rolexes are like 1k-2k and with a new Rolex I'd have the piece of mind it's legit and under warranty and all that jazz. Difficult to tell fakes or even small, minute fake parts inside to a nonprofessional like myself on a piece that's been counterfeited so much like a sub
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>>59984706
but when you have no watch in the first place what do you do
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>>59984748
Well according to this place and that wannabe rich fgt they love, you buy a £1500 Speedmaster of course.
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>>59984706

NO. Price is irrelevant. Wear what you like and can afford not what blogs or youtube videos getting paid to shill brands dictate.

Vostok or Swatch is the best option for most first time buyers, not Seiko.
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>>59984748
Seiko or Orient
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>>59984517
Oh wow thanks. It doesnt look as tacky as I thought it would, but I'm still not entirely sure...
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>>59984806
>recommending the two ugliest goddamn watch brands over seiko
Christ, man
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>>59984035
He's right though. Although most luxury watches don't get re-sold, people hate thinking they've made a bad deal.
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>>59984792

Are you talking about lawyeranon? He's one of the most humble guys on these threads from what I've seen.

Or are you talking about Archie? 'cause Archie is broke as fuck and a meme. He's like /wt/ reincarnate.
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>>59984009

I'd buy an in-house Tudor over a Rolex anyday.
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>>59984930

Protip: Tudor is Rolex
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>>59984915
You are such a cuck ffs I've never seen such an e-cocksucker as you
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What's a good cheap automatic watch?
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>>59984986
any seiko 5
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I own a few minimalist watches. Thinking of going the opposite direction for the next watch.
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>>59984986
>cheap
be precise
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>>59984988
I heard Seiko's quality been going to shit lately. Will Seiko 5 last me at least a couple of years
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>>59984986
I don't know how up to date this list is, or if there is a newer version.
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>>59985013
>I heard Seiko's quality been going to shit lately.
where did you hear this? i'm interested
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>>59985011
I don't have any idea. Maybe below $100.

I want it the cheapest as possible
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>>59985027
You don't get anything good unless you are willing to pay for it.

Pretty much stuck with a Seiko 5 in that price range, or a random piece from a flea market.
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>>59985054
What's a good price to start?
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>old grampa comes in
>he's wearing a first gen. Komandirskie
>we find out it's an "MO USSR" military model
>brings in an old Doxa with dead lume full arabic dial
>it's radioactive as fuck
Old guy just collects junk watches to wear till they fall apart. I kinda wonder what else he dug up. Maybe one of these scavenger have Buzz Aldrin's Speedy, all beat to shit, on a ragged faux leather strap, barely running.
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Why are automatic watches so popular? Can people really not be bothered to wind a watch from time to time?
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>>59985019
There is literally a date stamped on the top left corner
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>>59985084
All the speedies that went to the moon are in NASA's possession m8. The only watch to have been on the moon that's been sold was dave scott's bulova chrono.
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>>59985085
I wind my watch every morning
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>>59985063
<$200 - Sistem51
<$500 - SARB
<$4000 - MOTFM, IWC Mark, Explorer
<$7000 - Sub, JLC
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>>59985085
because there are literally no downsides
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>>59985085
It's just convenience. If you wear the same piece every day you won't have to manually wind it.
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>>59985113
what an awful awful list
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>>59985127
Propose a better one or shut up
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>>59985116
>there are literally no downsides

Additional mechanical part that can break.

Some automatic movements make noise.

And most importantly: added thickness.
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>>59985134
<$200 should very clearly be Seiko or Orient
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>>59985085
Why are winding stems so popular? Can people really not he bothered to carry a winding key around?

>>59985104
>he doesn't know
The reason they're in NASA's possession is because they called them all back from the Apollo astronauts, after Aldrin's Speedy, the first watch on the Moon was lost in transit to the Smithsonian.
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>>59985149
yeah nobody gives a fuck about those aspects.
I agree with you that manual wind is neat, especially for thin watches, but clearly most people are ready to give up millimeters of thickness to get rid of the massive headache of winding a watch.

>>59985134
i already did
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>>59985167
>Aldrin's Speedy, the first watch on the Moon was lost in transit to the Smithsonian.

Forgot about that. I think it was mentioned in these threads before.
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>>59985177
>massive headache of winding a watch

It becomes a habit. Instead of playing with your phone you can wind your watch. It doesn't take long.
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>>59985199
People always call the police when I wind my watch in public
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>>59985199
you know what takes even less time? not winding your automatic watch
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>>59985085

oh, i spend probably 20x as much time turning watch crowns since switching from quartz to automatic. it is about fun, not convenience.
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>>59985214
are you confusing automatic and mechanical anon
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>>59985212
You must be a very busy person if saving a few seconds matters a lot to you.
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>>59985113
><$200 - Sistem51, Seiko 5, Orient
><$500 - SARB, Seagull
><$4000 - MOTFM, IWC Mark, Explorer
><$7000 - Sub, JLC
Fixed. Still room for improvement.

>>59985177
>i already did
The approved shitter pic?
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>>59985232

no. i set my watch every time i put one on.
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>>59985235
people who have the money to spend on high end luxury watches are often quite busy
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>>59985246
But never too busy for 4chan
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>>59985246
Most automatic watches are not high-end luxury though.
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>>59985296
but most high-end luxury watches are automatic. wasn't that the point of your complaint?
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>>59984956

I'd still buy an in-house Tudor over a Rolex anyday.
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>>59983791
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>>59985355
Now we're talking. I'd disagree that this is a better watch, but I can see the argument for it.
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>>59985325
No. At least high-end watchmakers make the effort to make their automatic movements thin.
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Fuck, didn't win. My max bid was $42, two weak willed autists with no self control got into a bidding fight till one sucker now gets to pay $101 for this piece of shit.

I'll be looking at Reddit now to see if it was one of those normie manchildren again. Can I set an alarm for certain keywords in new posts, like "Leopard"? I unironically don't know how Reddit works.
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>>59985369
Oh. Then the reason most cheap watches are automatics is because they use the same mass-produced movements, and the reason those movements are auto is that there are more people who won't buy a manual wind watch than people who won't buy an automatic.
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>>59985376

You can do that with eBay. Look up an eBay alert website or something.
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Holy shit this thread is a fucking trainwreck. We have people unironically shilling Swatch and IWC now? Talking shit about Maison Celadon based on "brand image" and normie recognizability?

Guess I'll sit this one out.
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>>59985401
No, I mean this exact watch.

Last time I was outbid massively on a JDM watch, the guy immediately went to brag about his new unserviced shitter on Reddit.
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>>59985422
R E S A L E V A L U E
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>>59985417
What a shitty watch
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>>59985422

swatch is fun.

delete your autistic value proposition calculator xls file and relax, you uptight cheapskate.
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>>59985367
>half the price
>better everything
ok

have some more
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>>59985474
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>>59985474
>>59985488
Terrible. You really shouldn't buy cheap watches in a style like this. They lack the attention to detail and finishing to make it look good.
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>>59985547
Get a load of this fucking guy
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>>59985464
Swatch is overpriced garbage and so is virtually every brand they own. Their entire business model is based on using marketing to huckster status seeking normies.

IWC is Panerai with even less of a brand identity, and is again based on using marketing to pleb-catch noveau riche men before they know anything about watches.
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>>59985474
>better everything
apart from the looks, size, finishing, style... It even has a date and seconds hand. It's not playing in the same field at all.
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>>59985608

i told you to delete the spreadsheet and relax, senpai. not to crunch the numbers and get all stressed out.
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>>59985474
>>59985488
and those have ugly power reserves, and even worse for the second one two subdials. you're really not getting what the maison celadon watch is going for.
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>>59983791
Not that I intend to disparage Maison Celadon, but for $800 I'd buy a SARX033. The finishing on these is absurd for the price.
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>>59985572
>>59985597
Nice arguments.
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>>59985646
Just as good as yours, faggot.
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>>59985376
>$101

FUG
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>>59985616
Shouting down bad ideas and bad opinions is how I relax. Why do you think I hang out on this Singaporean shadow-puppet symposium for?
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>>59985651
If my argument was bad then surely you could easily say what's wrong with it?
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>>59985376
Stop using eBay and start using Buyee to bid on Yahoo! Japan Auctions instead.
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>>59985720
Oh, I don't know, perhaps that it's entirely false?
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>>59985547
Orient Star's problem has never been manufacturing quality or finishing. It's their design department that sucks.
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>>59985732
>false

How?
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>>59985745
By the fact that you're wrong.
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>>59976780
>>59976841
>>59976864
All wrong, SKX013. Aftermarket bezel.
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>>59985635
can't blame you. I already have a sarb, which is in the same style even if it doesn't have that level of finishing, so i could see myself going for the chink watch for the more ornate dial and no date window or seconds hand.
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>>59984746
Yea good points mate. Agree on this.
I'm also considering buying a zenith brand new if I can find an advantageous tax situation as the 2nd hand market seems to be dead on the tri colour side or even pricier
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>>59985713

aren't you going to post a screenshot of your value proposition spreadsheet?

is there something that's personally threatening to you about swatch?
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>>59985464
Yes yea buy what you want blah blah but the thing is we are all snobby assholes here. And thats the point of 4chan. This place has taught me well in the consumer market.

You shouldn't support swatch in any instance as we don't want to give any money to companies with jewish business practices.

If you must but swatch there are two cool brands imo, Omega and Breguet and you only should buy used as to not give them any more money (also resale is shocking, especially on Breguet)

If you're talking cheap watches just get a Seiko mate they are the creme de la meme at the under 1000 price point. Orient, Vostok and Seagull, even casio would be other acceptable choices. Or go vintage for class factor
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>>59985547
>t. never bought an orient
>>59985625
>>59985735
subjective
>>59985841
>tfw wristlet
>skx01x aren't a scaled-down skx00x
why live
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>>59986036
>skx01x aren't a scaled-down skx00x
Besides case and hands being a bit different the movement and waterproof rating is the same
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>>59986036
>subjective
that was exactly my point in the first place.
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>>59985608
>Swatch is overpriced garbage

KILL HIM
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>>59986053
yes, they ruin it
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>>59986058
He's not wrong, you know.
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>>59984986
Amphibia.
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>>59985461

You have excellent taste, but that arm hair is no bueno. Ray is definitely the best looking of the Orient divers. I think it's the bracelet that does it for me.
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>>59986224
he said good
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>>59985635
does the crown really stick out like that?
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>>59986392
looks like it's pulled out to the furthest setting
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>>59986144

I just bought a Swatch watch for €45 that gets me way more compliments and comments than your shitty €300 Seiko
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>>59986376
>that arm hair is no bueno
You some kind of shaved faggot?
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>>59986427
>buying watches for other people's enjoyment
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>>59986427
>I just bought a Swatch watch for €45
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>>59986436

I'm the other ray guy. Not shaved, but not much hair either.
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>>59986427
>swatch
>compliments
Sure, Anon.
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Why did Archie get an IWC?

Very disappointed in him desu
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>>59986377
He дypнoй poт cлaвный Bocтoк вы пeдики или вы пoйдeтe пyти Литвинeнкo.
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>>59986511
He bought it to sell it for a profit to afford the bigger fridge he needs to sell more advertising space to prevent him from getting a job.
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Is there a digital watch that does not make me look like a nerd? If yes, what?
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>>59986566
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>>59986566
Grab a vintage wheeled mech, or a Pulsar.
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>>59986525
Пoшeл нaхyй co cвoим вocтoкoм, мyдaк.
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>>59986610
name?
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>>59986694
zeitwerk
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>>59986696
price? link?
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>>59986729
More than your organs are worth.
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>>59986738
i can spend a maximum of 100 dollars or euros
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>>59986757
Then go with
>>59986623
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>>59986757
SR Eurastyle
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>>59986729
seriously can't you use google?
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>>59986440
>>59986450
>>59986485

Triggered Seikofags on suicide watch
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>>59986995
Jokes on you, only own a Tudor.
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>>59986427
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>>59986511
I dunno it's lame he should of got a Vacheron or something fucking cool. Imagine if he bought a GS
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is buying a new pebble classic a stupid idea /g/? I've owned one before and I'm still wearing one. but it's about dead. is it stupid to buy one now that they are discontinued? and is there anyway to make a smartwatch like the pebble look good on your wrist? (it accepts any 22mm band)
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>>59987005
>Tudor
>literally screams poorfag Rolex
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>>59987183
>he can't afford either one
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>>59987163
Buy a real watch
>>59987183
Not him but you just admitted to buying a €45 swatch. Literally poverty incarnate
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>>59986634
этo
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>>59987192
>>he can't afford either one
>>59987195
>Literally poverty incarnate

Poorfags and plebians wear rep shit and homages like you faggots.

>Why CEOs swear by Swatches
>According to Google auto-fill, one of the most searched terms relating to Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein is, “What watch does Lloyd Blankfein wear?"

>We have the answer: It’s a Swatch, a simple plastic timepiece that retails in the ballpark of $100. In fact, the executive has several of them—including a black one for formal events.

>The list of power players who sport Swatches goes on: Tony Blair has one, as does French president Francois Hollande. U.K. hedge fund trader Chris Hohn has had a black one for years. AllianceBernstein CEO Peter Kraus is a fan of the brand. Even the boss of luxury watch maker Patek Phillipe reportedly wears one while skiing.

http://fortune.com/2014/08/10/ceos-swatches/
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>>59986376
>but that arm hair is no bueno
Sorry, not sorry.
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>>59987583
>he can't afford either one
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>>59986995
(You)
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Pretty common topic on WUS. Not quite sure why. People know what they can afford or not, and make decisions on an individual level. Everyone's circumstances are different.
Besides, the question is way too ambiguous... What is a high-end watch - some may say $200+, $1K+, $5K+, $10K+, $20K+, $100K+ - depends on who is being asked and what their collection looks like.

What is wealthy or what is middle-class? There are some who barely make it paycheck-to-paycheck and consider themselves middle-class, there are some living in a huge house with several luxury cars in garage who consider themselves middle class.
Are we speaking wealth as in assets or income? Income can be meaningless if one is retired with huge assets.
Where does one live (NYC cost of living <> FL cost of living)? What family obligations does one have (student loans, kids, college tuition, wife working or not, parents and family being supported or not)?

There are people who buy watches on credit and go deep into debt or dip into savings to get a watch (or a car, or any luxury good), while others will only use disposable income.
There are those who want to show off, those who have to project a certain image, those who are simply passionate about watches, and many other permutations.
There are people who are not wealthy, but may be gifted a nice watch by their family or friends.

Bottom line, the only meaningful answer I can offer - it is an individual choice. I do think luxuries are primarily for those who can afford them. But on the other hand - you only live once, so if even if a person if not "wealthy" but one is passionate about watches, saves specifically for the purchase and knows what they are getting into - more power to them. That's the beauty of freedom - individual choice above all else (as long as one bears all consequences of their choices).
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>>59987780
K
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>>59987780
>There are people who buy watches on credit and go deep into debt or dip into savings to get a watch

Like Archie
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Are there any smartwatches that look "normal"?
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I wanna fugg the Milgauss
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>>59987957
>archie
>literally /g/
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>>59987957
>Desperately trying to imply Archie or any of his fans would defend the $750 - $$4,000 "Swiss" marketing driven huckster brands shoving ETA ebauches into Chinese cases and pawning them off on gullible normies.
Any of the brands Archie would actually recommend make ZERO parts in China. Your graphic is nothing but the pathetic ravings of a jealous status seeking bootyblasted poorfag.

The kind that hangs out of fake watch forums. Where you admitted you came from to shit up /wt/.
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What does ebauches refer to in watches
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>>59988101
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ebauche+watch
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does anyone here have any opinion on bucherer watches? am I crazy for thinking about spending 10k on one?
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>>59987195
>Not him but you just admitted to buying a €45 swatch. Literally poverty incarnate
Has it ever struck you that people of means buy a cheap watch for fun, or just because they like the design?

>>59988204
>bucherer
Low brand recongition. Probably not a safe bet. Get a used one if you really like them.
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>>59988015
He's recommended Seiko before, they make some parts in China.
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>>59988015

>Any of the brands Archie would actually recommend make ZERO parts in China

LITERALLY SHILLS MAN ON THE MOON OMEGA 90% PARTS MADE IN CHINA

>Taiwan Real China Kuomingtang Google Free Tibet Tenzin Gyatso Dalai Lama Twitter Facebook

Stay buttblasted
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>>59984201
>>59984641
>>59984699
>>59984746
It's amazing the kind of resale value pretty much ALL other brands have besides Rolex and Patek, and the former is so far better than the first in this regard I only mention the latter because it seems to be the only on that sorta comes close.

Brands like Girad Perregaux, Parmigiani Fleurier et.al., make in-house marvels (though design is subjective) but no one seems to give a shit.

Who's buying this stuff first hand and taking the hit? Especially with solid gold watches; massive hit for the first buyer. Heck, even gold rolex don't do as well as their steel counterparts.
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>>59988337

>Shills a watch literally made by Swatch
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Love the dial of the blancpain ff, with this bezel its almost affordable but i dont like the bezel.

They dont have blancpain in finland fämälämäs
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>>59988380
Hadn't considered the opportunity to get an in-house watch for a song, thx.

>>59988412
Blancpain makes such nice shit. Hate that bezel, tho
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This really appeals to me fämälämäzoids. The bezel is also sapphire, either I read a fact or had a drunken fever dream.
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>>59988337
The only Omega Archie recommends is the MOTFM, and yes, you're right, far too much of it is made in China.

Personally, I would never buy an Omega made after Swatch bought them. Before that, Omega was one of the greatest production watchmakers ever.

Rolex and up Swiss watchmakers, however, do not outsource anything to China.
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>>59988493

I've always liked this more than Rolex divers.
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>>59988515

Swatch literally saved Swiss watchmaking by buying up everyone. If Swatch didn't buy them they would be dead now.
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>>59988412

We also don't have Swatch in Finland. Life is suffering.
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>>59987961
Not really. Huawei might be closest.
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>>59988593
Buying up their corpses, skinning them, and stretching that skin over an unholy alliance of Jewish marketing and Chinese manufacturing does not constitute "saving" by any reasonable metric.
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>>59988609
>609 get
>swatch
What a retarded post. Lopeta
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>>59988579

It has more round shapes to it, not detail.

BLANCPAIN CLAMSHELL NEVERENDING

ORIGINAL BUBBLE RETREAT EXIT

TWO HYDROGEN ONE OXYGEN FOR SURE UP TO MANY MILES
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>>59988493
How about this?
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/oris-divers-sixty-five-watch-review/
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>>59988839

Ive liked the look of Oris divers for a long time. I just dislike the brand name because it constantly reminds me of Oral B toothbrushes and it sticks out. Thats a nice looking watch.
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>>59988619
>Jewish

They're Christian Lebanese, like Salma Hayek
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>>59988947
>Oral B toothbrushes
pls dont ruin it for me
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>>59989045

Just if they renamed to ORS or something and added a zero to their prices.
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>>59988947
Their divers, up until this model posted here, have always been somehow "too fat", too rounded.
That being said I liked that compared to their bland recent versions.
The wavy dial rounded divers intrigued me. But I felt as if you had to be fat with massive round ham arms for them to work for you.

Always had a soft spot for Oris; like how they're still independent, and have made now some forays into in-house manufacturing again.

An Oris was the first watch I ever really noticed in regards to movie product placement. That shitty Constantine film, where he slits his wrists at the end gives you a nice close up of an Oris dressy model.
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Looking for a 30mm watch
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>>59989263
That's one good-looking watch
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>>59988990
or mountain jew
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>>59988294
There's nothing wrong with that mate. But he tried to call a tudor owner a poorfag so......

>>59987583
>he makes choices based on what others buy
Lmao'ing at your life brah
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>>59987780
Good post
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>>59988990
I don't care what race he is, he is the king of the mountain Jews who destroyed the Swiss production watchmaking industry by spearheading the re-orientation of the industry towards using marketing to instill entirely artificial perceptions of quality, fake prestige, and playing upon the desperate desire to acquire social status to trick normies into hilariously overpaying for boring, cheap movements crammed into Chinese made cases.
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About to pull the trigger on a Kinetic Tuna- pic related, but I figured I'd ask for alternative recommendations first. Looking to upgrade from a Seiko solar chronograph for daily wear. I'd prefer a dive watch, like a solid chunk of metal on my wrist, ideally a chronograph, metal band, willing to spend a max of $2000. Thoughts?
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>>59989783
If you are willing to spend $2,000 you should be getting a Seiko 8rXX chronograph or the upcoming 6rXX 62MAS inspired divers.
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>>59988493
Sexy af
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>>59989783
Pre-coax seamaster
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Where can I find a Valjoux 23 clone movement?

I have a nice dial and case without movement and hands.
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>>59989783

Get a Lemania instead. Their value is going up all the time.
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>>59989233
Picture is worthless without their wrist size
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So...steinhart, continuing in a long line of fucking up what otherwise might be bretty cool shit. Have now gone full Invicta tier and have engraved the side of the case.
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>>59990933
Fuck only knows what's occurring with the bezel. Though it is fully lumed, so that's something atleast.

Dial markings and hands are complete shite.
But. BluLume, which makes me moist.

4 o'clock crown and crown guards merging with the lug is bretty gud. Maybe a little bulky, but has potential.

>5 minute increments on the dial
>Shit indices
>shit hands
>Engraved case

All you niggas had to do, was not engrave the fucking case, and somebody might have actually bought one.
Some deranged person somewhere, may have bought one.
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>>59990933
>>59991003
Utterly ghastly. Steinshit continue to make themselves more and more indefensible as a company.
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>>59991152
It's almost as if there are two very conflicted design teams, I'd like to imagine that's the case, but probably isn't.
Half of the designs seem to be thoughtfull, but with minor problems, like the Regulatuer, or Titanium 500..
And then you get shit like this fucking 100ATM "Triton" and shit like the Racetimer.
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My brother just got an SKX009 (the one on the right in pic).

It looks pretty neat in person, and wtf I love SKX now.

Does the black SKX (007) look boring irl?

Or should I just get the exact same one as my brother?

(I know about modding, but I wouldn't mod right away)
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>>59991193
The Ocean Titanium 500 makes me really angry because if they'd not used hands that belong on a flieger instead of a diver I'd of seriously considered one. It is--by MILES--the cheapest ETA 2892-A2 top grade money can buy.

Why can't they just make a Marine 38 with that movement? For fucks sakes.
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>>59991262
>The Ocean Titanium 500 makes me really angry because if they'd not used hands that belong on a flieger instead of a diver I'd of seriously considered one.
I bet you also hate the Obris Morgan Explorer for that reason then?

But on the topic of the hands of the Ocean 500, I honestly get what you mean, but I think it really helps with just how bold they are. If they were any thinner than they are I would totally get the hate towards it.
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The time reserve hand on my Parnis rolled over, it's now pointing at the 3. Is it fucked?
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>>59989996
ebay
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>>59991376
I mean their design rather than size. They are literally instrument hands as would be found on cockpit clocks, that's why Sinn and Damasko use that design of hands on their watches. See pic related.

Those hands have no business being on a diver. Sword hands of the same size would have been fine, but those hands trigger the fuck out of my autism.
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>>59991439
While I'm at it, can you guys recommend a watch in this style that isn't as cheap/low quality?
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>>59991439
yes lol
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>>59991487
Starking
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>>59989720
>destroyed the Swiss production watchmaking industry

No, he literally saved thousands of jobs and the whole industry
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>>59989720
Probably the only reason that the mechanical industry has any variance besides the japs and haute horologrie is because of him
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>>59985461
disgusting fatass hand. why do chubs even bother?
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>>59991886
>>59992257
No and no.

The Swatch group saved the brand names from extinction, but in actually gutted what make those companies unique and turned them into nothing more than design and marketing departments applied to generic movements slapped into Chinese made cases. The only variety is in the branding of these shitters.

Here is a list of the currently existing watchmakers capable of designing and producing complete watches including movements and escapements on a production basis:

Vostok, Raketa, Orient, Citizen, Seiko, ETA, Nomos, Rolex.

Notably absent from that list are all the brands that risable mountain Jew bought and subsequently gutted.
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>>59983204
Ni hao
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>>59988337
D-does the omega man on the fucking moon use gook parts?

I thought this receipt was w/r/t the sea masters and other omegas

Pls tel me the motfm is safe from chink shit
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>>59992579
The bracelet is 100% Chinese made, at the very least. As far as I know, all Omega bracelets are Chinese made now.
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>>59992579

omega is notorious for sourcing parts in China and then just assembling them in Switzerland. it's part of why they can sell their hack watches for so cheap compared to Rolex, while still coasting on the pedigree of their name
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>>59992694
>>59992735
Is there proof I can view somewhere?

(At least the bracelet as that's the only part that I heard coming from China)

What other parts besides the bracelet are people saying comes from China? And are they just rumors or proven?
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Just got the two best Casio watches for $25, they will look good with my thinkpad.
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>>59992756
>Is there proof I can view somewhere?

GO ASK ANY WATCH MAKER WHO REPAIRS OMEGAS WHERE THE PARTS ARE MADE
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>>59992432
>Vostok, Raketa, Orient, Citizen, Seiko, ETA, Nomos, Rolex.

All confirmed for using Chinese made parts. Yes, even the Russians.
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>>59992889
>All confirmed for using Chinese made parts. Yes, even the Russians.

Prove it. Especially prove it with respect to Grand Seiko, Nomos and Rolex.

No one cares if the sub $500 watches are outsourcing parts as long as the build quality and QC is reasonable for the pricepoint
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>>59992877
i dont know any watchmakers

and the only thing ive ever seen on the subject are rumors on forums with the only concrete proof being that one reciept for one seamaster bracelet link

im not even denying that youre right here senpai; id just like to see some verification outside of randoms saying they're "notorious" because if they were "notorious," then theyre should be easily accessible and plentiful amounts of proofs
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>>59991198
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>>59992940

Someone probably didn't scan it. Just call the post office and ask or go in and ask. Are you allergic to light?
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btw that one (1) receipt was posted three (3) years ago

and thats literally the only receipt ever and the only concrete proof ever shown. could it be that when scanned, it was incorrectly coded to CN instead of CH? they're probably back-to-back in a drop down menu ffs... or something else, idk

again, i am not denying that the bracelets or more parts omega uses COULD have been made/still be made in china, but there's virtually no proof other than speculation posted on forums and archie's channel

at least with the TAG "scandal" when rumors were going around and proofs were shown, TAG finally bit the bullet and admitted it...but literally nothing on Omega as no proof other than a receipt has been provided...one time

why has man gone silent so fast? Answer me!
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>>59993098
I tried that and the guy there pretty much told me to fuck off. Plan on trying again tomorrow.
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>>59993266
Look, besides what many people have heard on the rumor mill and what many watchmakers have said, I can tell you that the Omega bracelets I've handled in person (in particular the one on a $4,000 USD Aqua Terra) was a cheap, light, rattly piece of shit comparable to the bracelet on a $300 SARB at best.

The glaringly poor manufacturing and finishing quality of the bracelet appears to corroborate the rampant rumors and hearsay evidence that the bracelets are made entirely in China.
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>>59993374
anecdotal 'evidence' passes off as truth smfh.

also
>what many watchmakers have said
like who? has any respectable watchmaker come out - even online - and said they suspect omega uses chinese parts? because the only 'watchmakers' ive seen say omega uses chinese parts are in the same threads where a random said, 'oh yeah m8 this one watchmaker i know suspects that x part comes from china'

why even regurgitate such garbage?

i really do hate this shit, because i can tell you that the bracelet on my MOTFM is most certainly not ratty or cheap-feeling in the least bit.

could the bracelet have been made in china? maybe! but i really dont know, so i dont think its fair or even ethical to be saying these kinds of things without proof.

i ask for proof
i dont get it

ffs

p r o o f s
l
s
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Seiko can't find parts for my 45 y/o Grand Seiko, but they tried

Just figured I'd post my experience here as there seems to be some growing interesting in Grand Seikos (or perhaps I'm just projecting ). A few weeks ago I bought a lovely 5722-9991 from Takayama Watch, an eBay seller in Japan.

It runs fine, but due to the blemish on the dial and a desire for 100% peace of mind, I sent it into the only Seiko service center in the US (Mahwah, NJ). Mind you, lowly American watchmakers are not allowed to touch Grand Seikos, so Seiko NJ forwards all Grand Seikos to Japan for service. Seiko NJ called and emailed me every step of the way, letting me know that my watch was received, the price, and what timeframe to expect the watch back from Japan (3 months).

Seiko Japan could not find the parts in stock, so a few days later I received a telegram notifying me that there would be a delay. Literally, a telegram! I got a kick out of it.

But alas, today I got a call from a very courteous Seiko NJ rep who informed me that the parts needed for my 45-year-old watch are indeed extinct, and they cannot service it. They are immediately refunding the full $626 charge, which I appreciate. They invested a decent amount of time communicating with me and scoping out my watch, not to mention the cost of shipping to Japan and back, so overall I can't say anything bad about my Seiko experience thus far.
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>>59993463

Small detail in GS manuals is that they only guarantee part availability for 10 years post manufacture.

Good luck selling those overpriced Seikos later on
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>>59993453
Yes, I'm sure it's a big conspiracy and the masses of anecdotal evidence don't indicate anything. I'm also certain that the bracelet on your MOTFM is dramatically better than the embarrassing piece of garbage on the $4,000 Aqua Terra.

Conversely, can you provide any evidence to corroborate the bracelets being made in Switzerland?
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>>59993463
Which parts do you need? You shouldn't even have purchased the watch without being aware of parts availability issues with Grand Seikos made in the 1970s. Also, you should not have bothered to send the watch to Grand Seiko for service. You would be much better off dealing with an independent watchmaker who specializes in vintage watches.

If you can tell me which parts you need, I'll see what I can do about finding the parts or a donor movement for you.
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>>59993596
>Yes, I'm sure it's a big conspiracy and the masses of anecdotal evidence don't indicate anything.

yes youre right, it absolutely doesnt. how many gigs of reptilian people and bildebrug videos are there on youtube? are those true too?

>I'm also certain that the bracelet on your MOTFM is dramatically better than the embarrassing piece of garbage on the $4,000 Aqua Terra.

what are you insinuating here? ive never handled an aqua terra so i dont know. im just sayying mine looks pretty good and it isnt ratty as some shitters ive handled in, say, the mall, or something

>Conversely, can you provide any evidence to corroborate the bracelets being made in Switzerland?
What? are you serious guy? the burden of proof does not lay on me. youre the one saying omega uses chinese parts without any proof

do you even realise your own density? it's ok to stop posting, because without proof on your part, you're the one in the wrong here
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>>59993680
Except for the only piece of objective evidence on the matter supporting the position that Omega bracelets are made in China, in addition to the anecdotal evidence.

Meanwhile, the counter position that they are made in Switzerland has zero evidence at all to support it, and the above evidence to overcome.
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>>59993680
A cursory look at suggests that multiple people claim to have received Omega bracelet links or entire bracelets with similar China origin marked packaging here:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/just-put-extra-half-link-my-po-bracelet-made-china-918871.html
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>>59993727
i actually had a whole thing in mind to write out and got through like 40% of it, but i realised im just repeating myself and this is a waste of time

you have no evidence whatsoever and continue to reverse the burden of proof onto me, which is absurd

>>59993768
i remember reading a few pages from this thread a while back and its full of assumptions, and anecdotal "evidence" aka it's literally 25 pages of literally nothing

the burden of proof still lays on you
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>>59993807
>Literally a picture showing Omega bracelet links made in China
>Literally multiple people in a thread reporting the Omega links and complete bracelets they received were marked as being from China in the same way as the above picture
>No evidence
What did he intend to signify with such a display?
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Comfy watch with a comfy strap on a comfy cat.
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>>59983559
dial size relates most to perceived size imo
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>>59994015
New thread
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>>59992432
You forgot Sea-Gull.
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>>59984009

wat
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>>59984277

my sides
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>>59988493
just make a fifty five fathoms




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