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/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.

State the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs?
ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
https://pcpartpicker.com

>Information on how to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

Currently worthwhile CPUs:
>G4560 for budget builds (<$500) unless G4620/i3-7100 is heavily discounted
>i3 are only worthwhile for dwarf fortress and single-purpose emulator boxes
>i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to Ryzen 7
>No R5 1400 unless discounted
>i7-6700k is good but pricey. If over budget: consider locked 7700; not chasing 4.8Ghz+ capable when you weren't gonna overclock, or get R5
>Cheap Z270 board is still good for faster memory in games w/ locked 7700, but aren't for overclocking (VRMs suck)
>R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use

Currently worthwhile GFX cards:
>RX470-RX580, 1070, 1080, 1080TI
>1060 is worth considering over a 580 if same/cheaper in your country, and/or you just play games it's better on for the price. 1050Ti is for mITX builds
>RX470/570 is usually all you need for 1080p@60hz.
>Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm
>Budget builds: consider integrated graphics over a card weaker than RX470, unless price/performance is better (discounted/used)
>May for Vega

General:
>No brand/model loyalty. Parametric filters on pcpartpicker can help
>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
>NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk

As of April 20th, 2017 this is the concesus of best custom build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WVc2nn
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help me lower the cost /g/
upgrading from existing (dying) server/main pc
have several sata drives, multiple usb devices that need power, and lots of compiling
no gaming/video editing/music or such other high load/high graphics, but i do enjoy 1080p x264/5
mainly I want to replace the long lasting gigabit ga-p45/intel q6600 combo i've had for 7+ years (which is starting to go)
my current case also needs replacing or i'd keep it
psu i currently have is 500watt modular, dont think that's enough to power everything anymore

i'm looking for longevity/performance over latest/greatest
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My core2duo shitbox just died. HDD started making the wonderful clicks of death and no longer boots.
Threw it out into my driveway from my second story window.

So.
I need a new machine on a 70$ budget.
Thinking core2quad, cheapest mobo I can find and any psu. I have a bunch of ddr2 lying around and ill build it in a box.
Any suggestions on a mobo?
Probably gonna need a cooler too.
This is gonna be over 70$ I think
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>>59993654
switching to the g4560 lowers the price to 378$, any other changes? i still would prefer quad core but i can live with this
how upgradeable would this combo be (in terms of years of upgrades)?
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>>59993698
>hard drive dies
>throws out the entire pc
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pk4DNN
Thoughts? Programming and some gaming at 1440p.
I'd wait for Vega if there's a chance a low tier one is $350
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>>59993389
Whoakes the best B350?
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>>59993698
>>59993722
the boot drive of my first rig clicked from the very first day I turned it on and and worked until I broke the rig down for parts. It was slow as a motherfucker, but still.
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>>59993828
How drunk are you?
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>>59993863
Auto correct always fucksup me up anon. Now who make the best B350 motherboard?
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>>59993719
Zero. 1151 is already end of life, just like every other Intel socket after it has been around for more than 3 months.
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>>59993654
g4560 or r5 1400 and cheaper board.
Get a cheaper mATX case and board, too.
Are these Canada prices? Why is the PSU so expensive? Why the fuck 650W?
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>>59993753
Do it.
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>>59993919
Canada is like at least 30% more than those prices.
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>>59993753
Looks like a fairly ideal build. Though you could wait and see if the GPUs drop in price.
And 450-550W would be fine. $60 is a bit much for a M12II which often goes on sale for $40.

>>59993828
What does
>best
mean?

>>59993939
Yeah which leaves me more confused. Looks too expensive for US but too cheap for Canada. I guess it's just shitty component choices.
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>>59993919
i said i have plenty of sata drives i need to power, which is why i need full case/atx/good wattage
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>>59993952
There's a 20$ rebate on the M12II right now so it's basically 40$
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DBrHD8
Used for 3D rendering and video editing and some gaymen. How is this?
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>>59993654
Do you already have a gpu lying around?
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>>59993753
>I'd wait for Vega if there's a chance a low tier one is $350
I think the only chance that the cut-down Vega is $350 is if AMD also drops the MSRP of 8GB RX580s to $200.
The cut down Vega is going to be twice as powerful as that so it'd make no sense for it to only be 40% more money.

Granted, that could happen with the Pascal refresh coming.. so okay, maybe it will be $350, but I'm guessing $400-$450 right now for the cut down one.

>>59993977
>There's a 20$ rebate on the M12II right now so it's basically 40$
good choice then, but you need to mark that price in there so it's not confusing.

>>59993966
huh? Are there really no mATX with 6 full SATA support...? There should be.
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>>59993991
Looks roughly ideal.
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>>59993999
yep

>>59994016
>Are there really no mATX with 6 full SATA support...? There should be.
Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3
why mATX tho? always thought full atx was better
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>>59993952
I mean best for overclocking
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For anyone with a Define Mini C case, how long of a PSU is comfortable enough if I want to move the hard drive cages on the bottom over enough to fit a fan on the bottom front area next to the cages? Can't find anything on google other than the 175mm recommendation, but that doesn't indicate whether the drive cages are moved at all.
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Been playing with my fan's speed curve to find a balance of not melting my GPU and not sounding like a fucking jet engine. On a 1060 without my fan annoying me at worst I seem to run at 75c, is this okay? To me it seems a little high but not -too- high
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I found that list of Freesync monitors since AMD's list is fucking ass.

https://gpunerd.com/guides/freesync-monitor-list

>>59994070
Any one with decent VRMs and heatsink for them will be sufficient for at least a 1.4v overclock.

>>59994062
"better" now? ATX is just big. It has some more PCI slots which you won't use, that's it.
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Should I go with ryzen for gaming at 1080p or is a g4560 enough?
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>>59994091
75c under a high load even by the standards of game I play, not idle**
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>>59994062
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CRsJHN

Best I could do. The PSU should be fine unless your GPU + drives somehow manage to suck up more than 300W.
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Is an RX 580 a sizable upgrade to an R9 290?
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australia is fucking retarded
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>>59994150
what would you save on with this setup
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gCbj7h
the case/psu you listed were weak compared to what i have now
is it a huge difference between the 1400 vs 1500?
i'd prefer gigabyte over asus any day tbqh
and i'd like to jump to 16gb from the existing 8 i have
i cant see how much more i can save on this though
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Is this any good?
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will mATX look bizarre in a Phanteks P400? I don't need any of the functioning of the AM4 ATX boards I can't get from the (cheaper) mATX options.
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>>59994311
seconding this question. looks a lot less gaudy than some of the other gaymen boards i see.
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>>59994161
Not really, unless you can't live without PLP eyefinity.
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what is a good ryzen motherboard under $110?
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>>59994346
Asus Z170-A
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>>59994346
ASRock AB350 Pro4
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Which manufacturer is better for PSUs? EVGA or SeaSonic?
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>>59994436
Neither - brand superiority in PSUs is a meme. Go for certification rating and modularity, nothing else matters.
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From the other thread, I bought a 1080 Ti but it has a weird connection that I dont understand. Halp
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Does the stand off in the middle of Corsair 200Rs still cause mobos to short out?
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>>59994459
it's power hungry
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>>59994459
8 pin PCI-E power.

Lemme guess, you only have 6 pin coming out of your power supply? There should have been dual 6 -> 8 adapters in the box with the card. Otherwise you need to upgrade your power supply.
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>>59994466
I know but I dont understand how it hooks to my PSU. Do i put an 8 pin end into the GPU then the 6 pin end into the PSU and leave the 6+2 dangling?
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>>59994473
No mine has 8 but it doesnt fit the 6+2 end. Only the 6 alone fits
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>>59994500
6+2 is for motherboard, not GPU.

I think you can get adapters, but given that you need two sets of them, you should really consider looking at a new power supply.
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Should i get an AMD 470, 480, 570, or 580 if im gaming at 1080p. I know a 470 would work but will the other cards give a significant boost in frames? Which card would be best if i want to average over 60 frames. (i dont necessarily have to play on ultra graphics either, though it would be nice its not really a requirement for me and i know ultra graphics and high dont look too different these days)

Also is 4g too small? People say its fine but people also say new games are going to require more than 4g.
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>>59994505
My PSU
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>>59994530
Okay, I'm a retard. Yes, 6+2 is the same as 8 pin. Modular supply, so you should just be able to plug the 6+2 into both of those.
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>>59994538
I can plug the 6+2 or the 8 into the GPU but both literally doesnt fit into the PSU. The cable has like these notches on it that doesnt let it go in the PSU
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>>59994538
Without the adapter cords that came in the box with the GPU - just use the ones that came with the PSU.
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>>59994538
These are rhe cables I have. One end is 8 pin, the other is either 6, or 6+2. So do put the 8 pin end into the GPU and the 6 pin into the PSU and leave the 6+2 alone?
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>>59994584
This is how I set it up but it doesnt look right. 6 pin only. Other 2 are completely open. The 6+2 doesnt fit
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>>59994634
ACK, don't do that! You need to use the cords that came with the power supply, not the graphics card.
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>>59994660
I would have briken somwthing then. See thats why Im here. I have a backup PSU and the 6+2 works on it. I dont like this PSU because its semi modular
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>>59994704
I'm really confused now - what's on the other end of those VGA2-VGA3 cords?
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>>59994717
The other ends are 8 pin ends of each cable are in my GPU. This is another power supply I have.
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>>59994161
>Is an RX 580 a sizable upgrade to an R9 290?
lol no.
You can just overclock the 290. Only thing you save on is power consumption for the most part.

>>59994339
Wat? R9 had eyefinity. Even my 7970 did 6 monitors.

>>59994311
It's okay. There's really just a handful that of boards that are bad.

>>59994346
pro4 or gaming 3. Maybe mortar, tomahawk, and prime, too, but they seem to be more troublesome with BIOS still.

>>59994436
EVGA doesn't manufacture PSUs.

>>59994459
read the fucking manual
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>>59994775
>EVGA doesn't manufacture PSUs
but what are these?
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>>59994788
fake news
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>>59994293
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gCbj7h
1400 isn't worth buying unless you get it <$150 if that.
It's so gimped compared to the 1500X.
I did see them for $130 the other day, but they were gone quick.

Find a cheaper board.. honestly the "MSI Gaming Pro" would be fine as long as you're using the stock down-blowing cooler. Just don't use a tower cooler with it.
Get a $20-$30 mATX case like the Rosewill SRM-01 or Zalman T5.
Get that M12II PSU that's $40 after MiR.

>>59994788
Those are EVGA branded PSUs. They do not manufacture them, tard.
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>>59994717
Fuck it. Hooked up my other PSU. Seems to fit
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>>59994788
slapping on your name on a product doesn´t mean you manufactured it
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>>59993389
>State the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often.
Not a data collection thread at all ;^)
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>>59994899
Shitposting
70$
USA
Firefox, CS 1.6, AutoCAD 2009

look at all that data that makes me so vulnerable
the NSA is surely stroking their dicks in my direction now!
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Hey /g/aymers,
I'm looking to join the masterrace and I have NO idea where to start; I've never built a computer before. With the recent Ryzen chips being a good value from what I heard, I decided it's time to jump on the bandwagon.
Like I said, I'm looking for a build with good value, that I can ideally upgrade in the future, as needed. I don't really have a budget, because I can just save up as much as needed, but if it could be kept under $1000, that'd be nice I guess.
I watch a lot of movies, some 4k on my OLED TV, and my shitty laptop can't handle files like that, so it'd be nice if I could. I've never really been into PC gaming, but I want to start. I've heard good things about titles like Portal, the Half-Life Trilogy, and Skyrim, and would be interested in giving them a shot.
I wouldn't mind playing these in 1080p then upscaling, because I'm not sure if the visual upgrade is worth the significant cost upgrades that would be required.

For reference, my most recent vidya gayme experience is with the Play Station 1, where I'm working my way through Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage.

I look forward to hearing your suggestions on parts, games, and even 4k vs 1080p.
Thanks in advance!
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good 1440p 144hz monitor for less tahn $600 cad? I have gtx 970s so free sync doesnt matter
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>>59994989
pentium G4560 and rx 460 if youre dropping in with 1080p and 4k streaming
4k gaming is much more strenuous but if your goal is those hallmark of PC gaming kinds of titles (skyrim) then you dont need much
hell, i can play Porta, HL, and skyrim on a core2duo with a gt 710

And with that, you can upgrade in the future to a kaby lake i5 or i7, and replace the GPU with something like a gtx 1070/1080 for really high tier shit
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>>59994965
>NSA
They already have all your shit, like I give 2 shits about them.

Stop turning /g/ into a marketing tool.
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>>59994989
>>59995034
heres a 500$ entry level build, including the cost of windows
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gqNNFd

in the future if you get into this shit, replace the pentium with an i5 7600, (not K), replace the GPU with a gtx 1080, add another 8gb of ram and upgrade the PSU to a nice 600w+ unit
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6Wm8wV
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>>59995096
w10 is free if you just skip the activation step. Can swap out the 460 for a 480
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>>59995120
might not be worth it from the start it would be replaced later for 4k gaming
if everything to begin with would be older titles in 1080p, a 460 is a really good choice, maybe even an rx 550 if those come out any time soon
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>>59995034
It sounded like he has 4K movies downloaded.
Does the G4560 decode ANY 4K fine? It's my understanding that it's just the DRM that lets it decode those 4K streams. But how well does it handle decoding random 4K torrents that you download, or 4K youtube?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BNXsCy

First time builder here. Thoughts?
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Today is the last day to preorder that Nixeus 1440p freesync monitor on Massdrop for $400, $100 off.
It seems like a pretty good monitor. Better than the other $350-$550 options. Though it's hard to tell since... preorder.

Nixeus NX-EDG27 - 27" AHVA LED, 1440p resolution, 144hz max refresh, Freesync range 30-144hz

>>59995221
Looks solid PC wise, but why not 1440p?
1080p 75hz with a 1080 seems odd to me.
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>>59995229
>want to get the monitor but can't afford $400
>will get paid in a week and can afford the $500 MSRP then

I guess I'm not missing out since I can see if it's worth it? Instead of risking $400, I just have to pay $100 more than I would have for assured good product.

Doing research on Nixeus, they seem like a solid small/underdog company. Hope they put out more things in the future.
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>>59995229
Was thinkin bout using 1440p but wouldn't that require me to upgrade other hardware more often ?
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What are some good 1 3.5" drive to 5.25" hotswap bays?
I hate asking to be spoonfed, but I've tried searching and everything that I find seems to be crap.
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>Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm

Is this true, in your experience, fellow anonymous posters, or is this /g/ being autistic about 3fps.

I've been burned before.
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>>59995476
Unless you have a 1080 or up, Nvidia doesn't affect Ryzen.

Nvidia DX12 is poo on Ryzen atm because it doesn't split the work up among the threads so IPC matters more. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon.
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>>59995520
Well i do have 1080p.

A small performance hit is fine, i'm not using AMD's graphics cards. They're fucking fire hazards.
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>>59995528
By 1080, I meant the GTX 1080 and up. So a 1080/Ti or Titan.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nB7hJV

so how is this build for 1080p and 1440p gaming? i already have a lot of storage so i figured an X370 board would be better for that if anything.
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>>59995544
Well, i feel retarded.

I'll drop the hammer on that 1050 ti then, thanks bro.
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>>59995476
It's not about 3fps. It's about smoothness.
Nvidia's driver seems to stall the CPU from any thread getting much over 50% utilization which means lower GPU utilization as well.

>>59995520
It's not just on DX12.
The Witcher 3 is not DX12/Vulkan.
The main pattern I'm seeing is.. DX12, Vulkan, AND GameWorks titles. But there could be others.

Ryzen+Radeon is the smoothest you can get, but obviously an RX580 is just too weak for 144hz in newer games, or 4K.

>>59995558
If you have a free 1050Ti or left over one, go for it. You can probably set a frame rate cap to fix the pacing issues, and hopefully Nvidia will fix their driver soon.
But there is no reason anyone should be buying a new 1050Ti for any build since an RX470 is about the same cost, unless they don't have a 6pin power connector.
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Riddle me this /g/

None of the peripherals work. HDD womt power on, cd drive wont power on, fans womt power on, only thing that works is the SSD. What gives?
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>>59995599

Dying psu and/or mobo. In fact does the mobo receive power?
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>>59995606
Yea. It boots fine. Its sitting on the BIOS right now. It can also see the fan thats plugged into the CPU fan slot om the MOBO. When i plug in the SSD, its fine. Nothing else works though so what the literal fuck?
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>>59995557
What do you mean "and"? A monitor is either or resolution.
If if you want 1440p, get one of the higher end RX580s. It looks like people are getting those RX580 GTR-S overclocked to 1520+MHz which is often above Fury X performance. That's the best budget 1440p you can get.
If you go with one of the lower end cards that won't OC as well, you may struggle or have to turn down more settings.

Now for 1080p, I'd say that's overkill and you should spend <$200.
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>>59995624

Could be fucked cables plugging into the psu. It is an odd issue and frankly I would try another psu.
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My relatively old gaming computer

Build Date: initial build July 16, 2009, modified/bought in August 2016
CPU: Core 2 Duo E7500 (2.93 GHz dual core, stock)
GPU: AMD Radeon HD8490 (1 GB GDDR3, ~$45)
RAM: 2x 4 GB (reused)
Storage: 300 GB HDD (reused)
Monitor: Dell 1909W with speakers (1440x900 TFT LCD w/ adjustable stand and clipon speakers, ~$20)
Mouse: ancient Targus lightup mouse (reused, ~2006)
Keyboard: Dell SK-8115 (colicky as hell but not mechanical, nice sculpting)
Mousepad: Mac OS X Tiger (reused)
Cooling, PSU, Motherboard, OS/Processor stickers, etc: Stock Dell parts (Optiplex 760)
OS: Windows 10 (formerly Vista and Windows 7)
Total cost: ~$100

Can play CS:GO at 40 FPS
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bftJHN

Still looking for a monitor and mouse. Can I even handle 1440p at this level? I'd imagine since the GPU came clocked in at 1,338 Mhz which is about the lower end of the 580 range.

Currently looking at the Nixeus Revel and the BenQ ZOWIE EC2-A
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>>59995684

It looks boring as shit, but runs cooler than a Siberian air conditioner and no blinding LEDs
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>>59995706

This gives me PTSD as my work PC (while more powerful) isn't much above that thing and using it is painful compared to my personal desktop.
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>>59995596
Unfortunately i'm Australian, so the r470 is actually more expensive than the 1050 ti here.
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>>59995716
Core 2s are still somewhat viable for work and older games: anything really new I just play on XBONE, this is for the cheap steam games, GIMP, web games/browsing, etc. If I swapped in a Core 2 Quad motherboard, I would meet GTA V's minimum specs
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>>59995680
Read my mind
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>>59995725
How much more? Because the RX470 is about 50% faster.
If it's only 30% more, it's worth it.
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>>59995684
That'd be a pretty nice computer if it instead had like an E8600 and a slightly better GPU.
I like the SFF.
For $100 it's still decent.

Presumably you slimmed down Windows 10 to run better?
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>>59995754
Yup
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>>59995740
It's 30 bucks more.

Ti 4gb: $219

Rx 470 RS 4gb: $259

I'll do some youtube comparisons to see if that's true, but if so, thanks for telling me.
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>>59995762
Yeah, the RX470 is the way better value there. That's not even 20% more.
It could depend on what games you play, but also consider Freesync.
But even in a highly Nvidia optimized game like GR Wildlands (an outlier and not worth basing on), the RX470 is still faster. In other games it's often well over 50%.

Hardware Unboxed was supposed to do an updated GPU roundup, as well. But even on month-1 drivers the RX470 was like 43% faster on average.
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>>59995704

Looks to me like you built it backwards. You chose overpriced and expensive components but you cheaped out on the video card. Why?

For a monitor, I recommend the Asus VG248QE. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rkphP6/asus-monitor-vg248qe

Here's your build, reconfigured. This is a far, far more robust build for about $40 more but it includes a cooler, which you didn't have in your build. Also, save yourself some money and leave out the optical drive. There's really no need for those in present day.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gbf8wV
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Hey fags, shill from last night who got the cheap monitor. Came in great 3 dead pixels so I see why it was returned but no backlight bleed and minor ips glow
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>>59995784
Aight, youtube comparison vids with dubstep in the background checks out.

Are there any features that AMD cards have over Nvidia? This is my second PC build, after years of not being involved, and everything is a lot cheaper and a lot more complicated now.

Thanks for the headsup tho dude, appreciate it.
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i5-2500K plus an AMD Radeon RX 550: yes or no?
Im going for low cost.
Also, what motherboard would you recommend with these?
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>>59995867
get ryzen 5 instead of an i5
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ive been trying to get a graphics card to work in my computer, but it always black screens or is seen as a faulty display adapter when using onboard graphics.
i put it in another computer and it looked like it was working for a bit, device manager saw it as a functioning microsoft display adapter, then as a gtx1080, then the screen went black. restarted a few times and it only stayed black after that. the Greenlight on the gpu near the power cables turned off, the leds turned off, fan stopped spinning. i removed the gpu, put the computer back together with its original hardware.... and now the usb devices wont work. they draw power but their output doesnt register on screen. mouse and keyboard do nothing.

what happened? what could cause this?
is this gpu a load of shit?
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>>59995825
It's a work station first and foremost. I'm going 1440p for screen space.
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>>59995850
>Are there any features that AMD cards have over Nvidia
freesync is the huge one. Saves $75-$500 on a monitor.
Open source Linux drivers that are way, way better if you run Linux.
Better drivers and software.
6 monitors instead of 3.

I'm not really aware of Nvidia having any advantages over AMD when comparing similar hardware.
Their drivers used to be better, but now AMD's are better. They used to have their superior framerate capping software that AMD had nothing of and you had to use Rivatuner instead. But now AMD has a better one. They used to have ShadowPlay, but now AMD has ReLive which is better.
Maybe someone else can fill your or I in on something I'm missing, though.

>>59995867
550 is like.. only 4x more powerful than the iGPU on the G4560. It's pretty shit.
I mean it's fine for "esports" games.
But I'd recommend you wait and you can probably make a Raven Ridge system for <$350 that's far better.
Currently the RX550 is selling for what, $80? I'd pay like $50 max for that. You sometimes see RX460s on sale for $60-$70.
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>>59995879
>>59995912
I see, thanks.
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>>59995905

My initial reaction is your psu dun goofed and possibly damaged the motherboard.
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>>59995912
Well, there you go then.

I appreciate it.
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>>59995912
>>59995920
They are being slightly misleading here. Yes AMDs open source drivers are better than Nvidia's but Nvidia's closed source drivers blow the shit out of AMDs open source drivers
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>>59995990
There are so many issues with Nvidia's Linux drivers. And you're at the mercy of Nvidia with them.
What are the issues with AMD's Linux drivers? Something that's a problem now, and not 2 years ago.
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>>59995990
Well i'll never use linux because ... i don't have a need to, so.
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>>59995912
The AMD 470 uses twice as much power as the TI, buddy.
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>>59995958
why does pc building suck so many balls?

thousands of random companies making random hardware and updates without talking to each other. its a miracle anything works.
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>>59996078
I'm willing to bet money you didn't even read one page out of the manual you received.
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>>59996104
you'd be wrong. cunt
:D just spent 2 days trying to troubleshoot a gpu and now its causing problems in another system.

my test system now allows the keyboard and mouse to work in the Bios, but does nothing once windows 10 login screen turns on. Yay
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>>59996067
>The AMD 470 uses twice as much power as the TI, buddy.
oh jee how did I forg---
>>59995596
>unless they don't have a 6pin power connector.
Oh look, I pointed that out already. You can get the power usage down using Radeon Chill and undervolting while still performing better, anyway.
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Will this card
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202282&ignorebbr=1

Work with this PC build?
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/joe%40lee/saved/svj999

Im not really sure about the power supply
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>>59996198
How's the RX 570/580?
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can someone rec a case like the corsair 200r but without a logo on the front
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Should one expect DDR3 memory to get cheaper or more expensive over the next 3 years? Specifically SODIMM. I'm after some cream of the crop 1866 sticks with CL9/CL10 timings but that shit is still real expensive, considering DDR3 has been deprecated for a while now.
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My friend is currently running a cheap am3 chipset board with an FX 6120. Nvidia 970 or 980 graphics card I believe. 16 gigs of ram (1: 8gb and 2: 4gb sticks for some ungodly reason.

Only "high end" game he plays is player unknown. No coding/editing/rendering.


Currently I'm considering telling him to just throw an 8350 in there and chill considering he doesnt have any actual issues and just wants an upgrade.

He did express interest in swapping to intel, but that requires a whole new setup basically. Mobo/cpu/ram if he goes new gen.

Thoughts? The kid lives with his parents so its not like this is money he needs, but I still want to make sure he doesn't get boned too hard.
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How's the 1080 TI PNY Founders? Is PNY reliable?
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>>59996304
They are clocked and volted higher despite the process being more efficient. You can, yes, still unvolt them and use radeon chill.

>>59996515
Not the best brand, but is okay. I'd read up on how they handle their warranties and shit.

>>59996347
If a 970, I'd sell that quick while retards will still pay way more than they're worth for them.

Player unknown's is terribly optimized. But something like a 1500X or an overclocked 1600 will handle it fine and you can see videos on youtube of it running on that.
>Currently I'm considering telling him to just throw an 8350 in there and chill considering he doesnt have any actual issues and just wants an upgrade.
While that'd be cheaper, I'm pretty certain that game won't run any better on that than overclock the 6120, and that'd still run pretty bad I think.
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>>59996675
What's the difference, performance wise, between the 8gb GDDR of the RX 580 and the 6 gigs of the GTX 1060 in regards to performance and future prospects with the card?

I'm hoping to use it for a couple years at least.
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>>59996707
Nvidia cards used to shit the bed when they run out of VRAM and perform like garbage. Like a 970 would go from 70fps down to 20fps when it goes from using 3GB to 3.5GB+. Same with a 960 if it uses 4GB+.
AMD cards never had that problem.
But it looks to me like Nvidia has fixed that with Pascal, finally.

There are minor performance benefits to having more VRAM than needed, that mostly comes down to being similar to how dual channel vs single channel, and dual rank vs single rank, affects performance.

The performance of the RX580 and 1060 varies by game. In some games, especially older ones, the 1060 is better. RX580 is much better in DX12/Vulkan and a lot of newer games in general.
When they're close like that, you should general go AMD. Better drivers, better software, lots more features, Freesync, etc.
But it can depend. If like Overwatch is the ONLY thing someone plays, and they have a 144hz monitor, overclocking a 1060 is the best value there.

And I consider the 580 8GB more of a 1440p card. It's overkill for 1080p 60fps for almost every game.
If you want something futureproof, wait for Vega. Othewise you should probably just get a 570 if it's for 1080p and save the money for an upgrade in the future.
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Hi g,

The seasonic prime titanium 750w is a nice psu, right?
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>>59996748
Thanks for all that, that was extremely helpful.

The problem i'm having is the 1060 6gb and the RX580 8gb are both the exact same price in Australia.

However, at the end of the year i'm moving to the US. And i intend to use a 1080p monitor for like, quite a while. Two or three years at least. And i want something that can handle VR in 1080p down the line.

Knowing that, i can't really make up my mind over the better card.

>Just wait
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>>59996794
RX580. Just do it m8.
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got a zotac gtx 1080 amp edition.
bios looks to pcie slot 1 by default.
with gpu in pcie slot 1 it outputs a black screen and onboard graphics outputs nothing.
same with every other pcie slot, even when i change which pcie slot it should prioritize.
when I set the bios to priorities onboard graphics it allows me to login, but the gpu still outputs blackness.
in device manager it would show up as a "microsoft display adapter" error code 43.
downloading drivers from the Zotac Disc causes my computer to Bluescreen "nvlddmkm.sys"
downloading drivers from Nvidia has the system recognize that its a gtx 1080 but still error code 43.
i put it in another system, had hdmi from the motherboard and dvi-d from the gpu going to the same monitor. its bios also looks at pcie slot 1. a low res desktop loads, then it flashes and a higher resolution appears. the device manager knows what it is and without the errorcode. but before i can download drivers the screen goes black. I restart and its stays black. I keep trying and the LEDs dont turn on, fans dont spin, and the green light near the 2x 8pin power is off. I unplug the gpu and the computer works again.

the first system has a 750 watt gold power supply, the second system has a 500 watt gold power supply.
the second system started with a Radeon R7 250 2gb. I put that Gpu into my first system and it worked the second i installed the right drivers.

something is wrong with the zotac.
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>>59996837
The weirdest part of that is the bluescreen from trying to download drivers. That's weird as fuck.
Dunno. gl.
Definitely sounds like the GPU is the problem, though.
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So I am thinking going all AMD with Ryzen R5 1600.

So my current thought of build would be
R5 1600
16GB 2666MHz DDR4
Don't know which B350 mobo to pick
RX570 or RX580
Also don't know about PSU.
I am thinking about keeping it down to 700-800€ if possible.
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Would I be a goddamn retard for trying out a liquid cooling build just because I want to? My r9 290 gets a bit toasty sometimes
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>>59996960
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hpCyTH

Btw this is what I thought of please help me improve it.
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>>59996770
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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>>59997048
If you factor in the 10 years warranty, it's not that bad desu.
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Dunno if the guy that was still looking for an SSD deal around, but

ADATA SU800 (yes, that's a good model), 1TB $250
From Newegg, sold through Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ADATA-Ultimate-SU800-1TB-3D-NAND-2-5-Inch-SATA-III-Internal-Solid-State-Drive-A-/302182662086

i7-6700k also for sale for $280
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-4GHz-Quad-Core-BX80662I76700K-Processor-/112170251566

>>59996770
Dunno what you'd ever need 750w for. Maybe if X399 comes in 2p form and you want 2 Vega GPUs on top of that?
But yes, it's a nice PSU. I'd get the 520w fanless instead, though.

>>59997029
you need to better understand the laws of thermodynamics.
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>>59997039
That SSD seems unreliable and that cooler sucks dick.
Looks okay otherwise.
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>>59994459
You are retarded. Next time pay the good goy tax and let some non autistic people handle this.
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>>59997039
>help me improve it

Here's a better configuration for about $10 more than your set up.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8RQVTH
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>>59997039
>>59997478

Here's another build. This one features a great case. This build is about $35 more than your original configuration. Building with this case is worth every penny.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2QTHD8
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Can we talk about post-build testing and issues here?

What's the expected behaviour when y-cruncher runs out of memory? I guess it should start swapping and eventually termination of calculation process and failure notice in ui, not a bsod / complete system lockup (in Linux), right?
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>>59997691
/sqt/ general can be better, but yeah asking build stuff test is fine here.
I don't know the answer to that, though.
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>>59997232
Lowest model of the prime titanium series is 600W, that's the passive one. I am running a Xeon E5-2699v3 and I am planning to add 2 GTX 1080 cards, and I don't mind having a bit of a headroom. Also the 650W non-passive model was only 2% cheaper.
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>>59997478
>>59997619
Hmm
Why the more expensive ram?
Will that CPU cooler be sufficient for cooling, even if I bump up a bit the clocks on the CPU?
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>>59997778
Not him, but I've seen no tests of that RAM on Ryzen. Maybe it'd be okay, hard to tell.
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What are some good monitors for 1080p?
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Got 300€, need a GPU to accompany my 7700K for 1080p for the next couple years.

What do?
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Can anyone recommend a good motherboard below £90? For workstation rather than gaming. I'm researching myself but finding it hard to differentiate them all.
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>>59998010
Your best bet is a RX580 unless you move up to 400€ for a GTX1070 or hopefully Vega in two months.

>>59998063
I read that Biostar makes good FM2+ baords, get one of those.
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>>59998075
Any good reviews so far? What's the best RX580 at the moment?
Also how much mhz should I aim for? Over amazon in my country there are various versions for a same brand.
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>>59998142
Depends on whether you're ok with a 6+8 pin or not. If you're ok with it i'd get a Sapphire Nitro+ or XFX GTS, if not, get a XFX GT/RS or whatever it's called.
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>>59993389
Best RX 580?
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Monitor question, is 1440p a meme? Should I just go for a high refresh 1080p TN panel instead?
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>>59998469
no, 1080 is the meme, idiot
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>>59998469
>Is X a meme.
kys
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>>59998346
Wait for reviews but it seems like Sapphire Nitro+ and XFX GTS, but both have 6+8pin.
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>>59998543
red devil GS, too.
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>>59998469
ass or boobs?
The answer in ideal world: both
you have to decide for your self
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Can screws holding backplates on GPUs get really loose over time without even touching them?

I spent almost a year thinking that the overheating on my GPU was just because it was old, rather than some very specific screws pertaining to some plates holding fans in place being really loose. The thing is, it was pretty unnoticeable until you actually decided to move those things by yourself manually.
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>>59994519
Depends a bit, IMO.

For things that are currently out, you can certainly make do with a 470/570 4GB at 1080p and get great performance - you may have to turn down a few settings from "ultra" on a few games but IMO that's not really an issue.

Getting anything faster / more ram is just giving you extra headroom for things that may come out in the future.
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>>59996210
Yes, good combination. The RX580 requires 1x 8-pin PCI-E. That power supply will be fine.
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>>59998861
What are your opinions on the GTX 1060 mini vs the RX570?

I want to build an ITX system down the line, and the performance of the two seems so similar.
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Someone here with a 1600 on a Gigabyte Gaming 3 who can tell me his clockspeed, Vcore, temps and VRM temp.
Although buildzoid said that the VRM requirements for Ryzen are really low, i'm still concerned about the 4 phase design in the long run.
I want to keep this build trough college until 2020 or 2021 and then upgrade to hopefully AM5, DDR5 and whatever Vega equivalent will come out that time.
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>>59998331
I'll admit it I have no idea what's the difference between one which has 6+8 or not.
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>>59996837
Use ddu to remove all drivers first?

Ya can't just be installing shitty drivers on top of other shittier broken drivers
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I'm looking to get a new PC for botting a video game I play. I would like to run at least 5 bots...10 would be nice.

How much RAM/CPU do you guys think I will need?

These are the recommended specs for minimum graphics.

Intel Pentium Dual-Core/AMD Athlon64 X2 or higher
At least 2 GB of RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT or ATI Radeon X1800 XL series card

These are for advanced graphics.

Intel Pentium Core 2 Duo 2.9 GHz/AMD Athlon II X2 2.9 GHz or higher
At least 4GB of RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT or AMD Radeon 4850 or higher
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>>59999041
Power draw. 6+8 pin RX580 cards can draw as much power as 1080 cards which is absolutely ridiculous if you consider they compete against the 1060.
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>>59999150
How complex are the bots? I've seen some using more cpu and ram than the game they were made for.
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>>59999199

They're really just simple scripts that I write and run them through a hacking tool that isn't intended to be a bot. They're incredibly lightweight. It's the game clients that is really straining.
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>>59998991
From what I have seen the 1060 mini runs pretty hot and close to thermal throttling even in a normal case, so I would be wary there. It's a little bit of a dud because of that.

If you're going to build something like a Node 304 that allows a full-size GPU+cooler, I would go that route instead.
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>>59999150
Can you give a better estimation of how things scale?

What are your specs right now and how many instances can you run at what FPS?
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Can someone recommend me a solid b350 motherboard for a 1600 (possibly 1600x) ?
Leaning towards the msi mortar but someone told me they're lemons. Also planning to use 3200 MHz RAM kits ( Corsair led Vengeance ).
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>>59999370
ASRock Pro4 is probably the best received B350 overall so far.
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Ryzen server is going to be called Napels yes? When is that happening I want to redo my freenas box. Plus I need something running linux can virtual machines on freenas is a pain in the ass.
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>>59999298
>>59999199
>>59999368

Sure, my current PC:
Intel i5-2500k CPU @ 3.30GHz
4.00 GB ram
GTX570

A single game client uses about 30-35% CPU and 570 MB of memory.

A running script uses between 8%-13% CPU and 10-30 MB of memory.

I can run two clients just fine with frequent stutters and crashes. Takes about 2 minutes to load into a zone and load all the objects.
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>>59999370
All are solid, personally i'd go for ASRock Pro4 / K4 or Gigabyte G3 depending on what you want. MSI Tomahawk still has the POST issue and Asus B350.. I don't like it at all, although VRM is good.

>>59999382
No it isn't, it's a cheap and good board with excellent price/performance, but it's certainly not the best.
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Looking at the Asrock x370 k4 for my 1700x and checking the QVL list for the ram
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Gaming%20K4/index.us.asp#Memory

Found some compatible 2666 Mhz but the 3000 Mhz version is just €15 more. Could I buy the 3000 Mhz version and run it at 2666 guaranteed and possibly 2933 with updates or will I be boned and have to run it at 2133 Mhz since it's not on the list?
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>>59999444

Maybe this will help paint a better picture.
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OK, I need advice.
Usual gaming 1080p@60/maxed(I can handle 1080p,don't mind 60fps but I need my textures to be maxed,I know postprocessing is not intensive anymore and I don't like it but stuff like poly count, Texres etc has to be cranked up) crapbuild, have modiculum of idea of what to build, problem is, as far as I see, I'll mostly play really bad ports or unfinished games(Dishonored 2,Prey, mostly games from good game designers but BAD coders).
Also, I wouldn't mind that it lasts for couple of years and if something hits me in the head and I fall for 4k144hz/vr games stuff, do have ability to upgrade.
I don't care about manufacturers (cheapest/perf/it won't break in 2 weeks)...So this is ver.0.01of build,please if I'm not seeing something, do tell.

Ryzen 1600x
B350
2400mhz ddr4 2x8
Rx570 4gb(or 8?)
or
I5 7500
270mbo
2x8 ddr4 2400
Gtx 1060 6gb

I live in country where logical increments/pcpartpicker is not a good indicator of price/performance etc...
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>>59999509
Looks like you will probably want at least a R7 1700 if you want to run shitloads of instances.

How is the GPU load with 2 instances?
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>>59999195
>muh power draw
irrelevant on everything but laptops
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>>59999509
that things not cutting it, go for a 1700
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>>59999665
4GB is fine. Before you get to the point that the memory becomes an issue, you'll have far more performance problems from the GPU just not being fast enough.

http://techreport.com/blog/28800/how-much-video-memory-is-enough
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>>59999665
go for the ryzen build but dont get the 1600x, get the 1600 and overclock it, only get the x cpus if you have no intention of actually trying to overclock the thing yourself
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>>59999723

It can vary, sometimes it runs hot and overheats/slows down, but it can typically run 30-60+ FPS with two clients. (Averages 40-50)
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>>59999738
>t. underage child who doesn't have to pay his bills
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Found a crazy cheap EVGA PSU on amazon. Any issues with it?
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>tfw looking at the changes in price for various parts on geizhals.de

that's depressing, so many good offers..
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>>59999887
it's 450w I guess, depends on what you'll use it for
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>>59999811
>t. person living in a 1st world country that doesnt have to burn petrol for power

ftfy
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>>59999811
If you're paranoid about power bills, you should unplug things when not in use.
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>>59999940
>.de
eat shit and fuck off muhammed
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PICK ONE QUICK /PCBG/

ASROCK PRO4 OR GIGABYTE GAMING G3
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>>60000070
asrock
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>>59999001
As long as you don't run an AIO with nothing giving airflow over your VRM heatsinks, you'll be fine.
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What memory is everyone getting for the ryzen chips? Looking at 3200 and looking for lower timings.

Most is at 16 but there are a couple at 15 and 14.

Found this

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232229&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

And its only 30-40 higher then the 16. Anyone paying extra for that timing? Reviewers dont seem to show much gains but its early and its weird the way the chips gain from the memory.

Might just grab of the higher timing kits.

Also anyone recomend a case for a work enviroment where I need to look professional sometimes? Looking at the fractal cases. I have a 120mm liquid cooler lying around and might find a bracket for it so I can push this cpu so I want to make sure the case leaves me space for that option. All black no window leds or whatever lights.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jVmqyf

Where I am at now. Need memory but I have a 900 series lying around to throw in here so im fine on gpu. Also a fury x but I was thinking of using that at home for a linux gpu passthrough build.
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>>59999807
I think you're going to want something along the lines of an R7 1700 and a GTX 1070 8GB.

Assuming things scale linearly, that should allow you to run at least 6 instances, probably more.

An alternative setup would be an R7 1800x + 3x RX470 4GB, which would probably give better performance for your specific case since each RX470 should be capable of running 4 instances if you are able to separate the workload that way (you wouldn't need them in crossfire).
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Germanon here, got a HIS Radeon HD 7970 IceQ X2 GHz Edition, recently crashed under heavy load. Pc was fucked. Didnt give a shit, got it working again, pc was fucked again.
Cards seems to perform worse than before now. Is this possible?
Also what should I get as replacement if I cant fix it?
RX580 or wait for VEGA release and hope it gets cheaper/ any idea on vega pricing?

>pic related its the different crashes I have had already.
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>>59999989
>$15/year for a low-flow showerhead

Shitty unsatisfying showers for an entire year for the low cost of a single meal! What a steal!
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>>59999887

Low power and its only bronze but likely will be fine if you are on a cheap build. I wouldn't push it to the limit remember power supplies can take other parts with them. But these days the builds most people actually need dont need alot of juice.
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>>59999887
Not semi-modular, and not very good quality.
I'd pay the $18 more for Seasonic M12II.
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>>59999792
>>59999796
Tnx, my last CPU was i5 2500k(I sold it so it is a moot point now but what CPU will be actual upgrade?),
what's with all that ram ocing I'm reading about, is it just actual 3-5% performance upgrade(or meme,in short) or really a thing to look at and educate myslf better? Purely of getting some performance I couldn't get some other way(better CPU/GPU, or if no OCing,cheapest mbo+ram)
TL;DR
Waste time around RAM OCable Kaby builds?
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>>60000164
Ryzen doesn't mind CL 16 or CL18 as long as it's fast.
But the CL15/14 will generally have a better chance of actually running at 3200, if it's single rank.

There's no real exact science to it. Things are iffy now. It might only run at like 2666 or 2800 until a few BIOS updates later, whatever you get, unless you get something that was verified to run at a given speed.
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>>60000211
>>60000207
>>59999887

Second this. Not being at least partial modular is a pain. Though we use to cut the unused cords they can be properly capped.
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>>60000070
ASRock a best right now
Assus and MSidiot are shitting the bed
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>>59999887
Guy at adoredtv gave actually good advice considering:" how to guess PSU quality purely by looking".
Just check how many 6/8 pin molexes it has, 3 and more, it has to be good inside or it'll burn your house down (I'm kidding but am not so far away from truth)
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>>59999953
>>>/v/
This is more suitable for underage retards like you.
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>>60000126
Stock cooler, so it will have some airflow, but the air will be hot from the CPU, sp idk.
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>>60000196
>Cards seems to perform worse than before now. Is this possible?
yeah dude. Cards die. That's not a software issue, and there's nothing you can do about it afaik.
Just plant a flower in the fan shrouds or something and get it a little tomb stone.

>RX580 or wait for VEGA release and hope it gets cheaper/ any idea on vega pricing?
Probably $400-$450 US for cut down Vega, and $550-$700 for full Vega.
Really $700 seems unlikely since AMD doesn't usually price cards that high except for workstation focused ones, but the die is so huge that idk. Nvidia has somehow set a standard that $700 mainstream GPUs are okay.
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>>60000315

There is one that is guaranteed at 14 but its like 65+ above the 16 memory. Might just grab whichever 16 3200 everyone and their mother is commenting on buying.
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>>60000389
lol no the air doesn't pick up much heat going along the heatsink. If you use any down-blower style cooler, you'll be fine. You're not doing over like 1.325-1.35v on the stock cooler, anyway. Even that shitty MSI GAMING PRO with its 3 VRMs would probably be fine with a down-blower.
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>>60000391
Thanks man, didn't want to accept it I guess.
What would you think is the better choice? Wait for Vega and invest some money for futureproof build or get the 580 now?
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>>60000352
Sounds like it is the same thing as ten years ago - MSI sucks, Asus is super high end but very unreliable, and ASRock is mediocre in everything but does the job well.

Is Gigabyte still the best of the bunch as far as motherboards go, except for performance where it is 9/10? My old P35 board lasted me 6 years with 24/7 uptime and 33% OC, and it is still working at the old couples house I sold it to. My Z77X is also working perfect right now, only problem it has is the USB3 slots sometimes shitting themselves, but that's a known problem with all USB3 controllers.
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>>60000070
asrock if you are on budget or will upgrade in a few years anyway
gigabyte if you want something that lasts you goddamn forever
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>>60000196
>RX580 or wait for VEGA release and hope it gets cheaper/ any idea on vega pricing?

Depends. If you're on 1080p@>75Hz or 1440p@60Hz and plan to stay there for the moment, the 580 should be more than enough. Anything higher and Vega should have the extra power you need.

If you don't plan to move from 1080p@60Hz soon, you should consider a 570 as well.
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>>59999758
>>60000175

Alright, how does it look?
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>>60000401
just look at ram compat list for your motherboard

>>60000427
idk. I'm waiting for Vega. But that's because I want 1440p at 100 fps minimum, or 4k at 60 fps minimum. I'm going to get a new HDR10 monitor once there is a good one for under $1500.

If you're just on 1080p, or 1440p 60fps is fine, then get the RX480/RX570 or RX580.
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>>60000408
Sounds reasonable, i simply was concerned because the shitty Nikos fets on the X370 K4 got pretty hot in a review and that's a doubled 8 phase, true 4 phase with OnSemis, even if doubled like on G3, should put out some heat.
Please educate me if i'm wrong, but that's what i've read so far.
That shit must be good for 5 years of daily OC until next upgrade.
Daily OC for me would optimally be 3.8 on stock @1.35 or less.
Also wish me luck with Silicon Lottery™.
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so uh
shitbox time
i know i could probably get away with even a slim intel stock cooler on a 65w core2duo but its like 5$ more for this tower thing
technically i could one for 10$ if i didnt mind waiting a month for it to ship from china

i have a core2duo e6700, 4gb of pc2-5300, a graphics card, im looking at cheap power supplies, like a 300w HP in new condition

any suggestions on a really fucking cheap case? or just make one out of cardboard or what?
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>>60000484
>h100i
>$370 for a shitty anus 1070.
Besides those two things, it's okay.

>>60000492
maybe the review used an aio? idk.
Worst case scenario, you get a Cryorig C1 or something.

>>60000495
not enough lime green.
You can also sometimes find better coolers than the stock intel ones for like <$10. A rosewill one maybe?
>any suggestions on a really fucking cheap case
Rosewill SRM-01 was on sale for $20 last I checked, and it's a legitimately good case and will even fit a 1080Ti in it despite being so small.
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>>60000466
>If you don't plan to move from 1080p@60Hz soon, you should consider a 570 as

okay guess that I'm overkilling stuff with vega then.

I play at 1080@sub30 FPS with my 7970
My screen is 1080@60FPS max anyways.

I like to play games like ArmA3 and Player Unknown's Battlegroudns though, so I kinda had to get used to shit performance.

I'll go for 580 then I guess.

Thanks man!

>>60000490
thanks man, I never used a 144Hz because my screen is from like 2010 or something.
Guess the 580 will be okay then.
Anything else I should watch out for maybe? Like another alternative?

Also good luck with the Vega, hope it does as well as you want it to. I'd do the same but I'm a poorfag student so I'll go with the cheaper one I guess
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>>60000538
the cooler doesnt have to be anything fancy but id just prefer a big ass loud block over a smaller cooler
ill look into whatever i can get cheapest

im working on a budget of around 70$, thats what i anticipate my rx460 to sell for on ebay, so im going for cheap as possible
i would have gotten a cheaper mobo but this seller has good feedback and its the exact chipset and ram format i need to use parts i already have, and it has 4 dimm slots
there was another much nicer mobo from later in the 775 era that even had a q6600 included, but its one with split ddr2 and ddr3, so id be limited to 2gb of ram since i dont have any ddr3
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>>60000538
H110i, yeah, you're right, missed that one.
Thanks, i'll buy the G3 and 1600 then.
>LED stripe on mobo
May the gods forgive me.
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>>60000605
quickly lookin into this
this one is around a dollar cheaper and its rosewill, a much more well known brand at least
http://www.ebay.com/itm/381896848365
and its bright blue
think im gonna go with that one
i can get a 65w intel stock cooler for 5$ but fuck that noise, i dont want to skirt high temps on aging hardware
then the power supply i switched to, which was a few bucks cheaper buts its used
http://www.ebay.com/itm/232067957664
not sure how i feel about that one, i know im not drawing anywhere near its max output, im below 100w i think and it will be just fine, but im always cautious on used power supplies
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Are there any motherboards that support both Intel and Ryzen CPUs?

Was looking to make a budget build, with G4560, and maybe upgrade to Ryzen in the future.

Sorry if stupid question.
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>>60000832
kek'd
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>>60000832
short answer no, thats not how it works
long answer
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/cpu-socket-types-explained-from-socket-5-to-bga-makeuseof-explains/
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>>59999302
Can we discuss this? 2 days ago on this general people were recommending short gpu for mitx builds because airflow and shit
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>>60000832

Its a stupid question.

Motherboards are built around the cpu starting with the actual socket hardware the cpu sits in cause they are not the same even within the same company.

Ryzen 5 and 7 work off the am4 or whatever they are calling it. There are 3 "chipsets", which are also built off the types of cpus you can use, for ryzen at the moment.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L2nHD8

Building 2-3 of these for work. Will need to get some kind of gpu I think just to drive 2-3 screens on two of them. No gaming. Dont care that memory doesnt match putting them in closed black cases. Could have gone cheaper on case but I like the look and it will give me room to go AIO cooler if I feel like it later. Depends on how these overclock with the standard air cooler.

I have a gpu for mine already and might drop down on the cpu for one of the three who is doing less at the same time. Maybe the 1600.
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>>59994464
can anyone please help me?
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>>60000988
idk why not go mATX if you're not utilizing more slots? Why such giant ass work computers?

>>60001027
i have no idea. Why not cut it off?
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>>60000988
what are these machines supposed to be doing?
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RX 580 (8GB) or RX 580 Nitro+ (8GB) for 30€ more? is it worth it?


>>60000391
>>60000466
>>60000391
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Is ths any good? I really want a bigger and cheaper screen 4k monitor for CAD/modeling.
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>>60001178
Nitro+, GTR-S, or Red Devil GS if you want the best one and are playing in 1440p.

Outside of 1440p, a waste of money and you should get an RX480 if cheaper or RX570 4GB.
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>>60001072

Office work. Mine will do content stuff also. One of them is a truck dispatcher it will be running gps software for trucks on one screen random maps and other stuff on another and stuff for our sql database on the third.

He might need less cpu but Ill probably stick with the 1700 just so its always without issue.

The third is just a desktop and the 1600 will probably be more then it needs.
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>>60001233
Thanks! Helped me a lot dude. Have a nice day
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>>60001197
i dont recommend over 30" for cad, when you're darting your eyes around a project the large screen space can be a pain at regular face to screen distance, especially if youre working with lots of small shit, then youre moving your head around, moving your eyes a bit too much, and looking at just a screen in front of you can be really bad for your eyes over time

i personally use two 1440p 24" monitors, since i can keep the workspace and cli on one side and tool pallets and other material on the other screen, and it for the most part has helped reduce headaches from staring at my previous big 1440p 33" tv

while i dont know what you specifically work on, i do a 50/50 mix of industrial and construction planning, and with what my drawings look like two smaller screens was much better than one huge screen

a few of my coworkers do over 30" 4k tv's and they all complain about their eyes and neck hurting after a shift
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>>60001246
i say go 1600 for all but yours, stick with literally the cheapest ram you can find, for the less intensive ones that wont need only use 8gb
get the biostar mitx boards, get a smaller case too
for just multi monitor display, honestly pick up something like an rx 460 or even 550
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>>60001065

I need to keep at least one for weird expansion shit I need from time to time I could go matx on one or even two but Im kid of tired of these guys kicking over their slimline comps they have now. I kind of like full size cases. Though I guess these will be ssd now so they will stop breaking hard drives when they kick them.
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>>60001291
Is correct. RAM speed won't matte for that work generally. Just get 2400-2666.
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>>60000000
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Why do people not know how to use the archive to find posts?
You'd think they would have more ingenuity if they are posting on a technology board.
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How good of a GPU is the RX 4GB PowerColor Red Dragon?
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>>60001408
It's bad. The user reviews on Newegg and shit should make that clear. Red Devil only from PowerColor.
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>>60001447
There are no reviews for it on Newegg.
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>>60001265
Thanks anon,
I work in revit and my work flow is abit odd, i tile windows on various projects. So a big screen is nice for me. I also compare and coordinate different floor plans with overlay on another screen.

I have a pair of 27" 1440p at home and i like it for looking at site plans and images. I need a big screen that can show more details.
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>>60001447
i wouldnt say theyre bad as much as theyre really not as good as the other offerings
theyre hotter, theyre dont have many special little features, the fans arent as good
but theyre not really bad cards, they dont have any detrimental problems

>>60001408
As always with AMD, its better to pay the price premium for a Sapphire or XFX card, but a powercolor card isnt bad on a budget, it will work fine
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>>60001486
I'm only asking because the Sapphire Pulse is sold out and at this point its either Gigabyte, MSI, or PowerColor. The Nitro+ is on back order as well.
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>>59997232
>you need to better understand the laws of thermodynamics.
u wot
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All the of the mitx boards seem to have shit memory comparability lists. When I find them I see either very sparse lists or they listed everything running at low speed.

Anyone have any working combos already?
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really wanted to buy the Ryzen 1700

>huge problems with Nvidia GPUs
>needs CL14 3200 ram to be good, which is expensive
>motherboards are a fucking mess with bios problems here and there

amd is literally forcing me to go for the i7 7700 fuck you amd
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>>60002504
>needs CL14 3200 ram to be good, which is expensive
your shilling shows.
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how safe is it to buy OEM CPUs? I mean it comes not in the box, they get them on OEM deal slightly cheaper, but sell them retail
it's same CPU right?
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>>60002518
Come on dude, if the 1700 wants to perform on a Kabylake level it needs fast as fuck ram, this is a fact. Instead of calling me a shill proof me wrong.
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>>60002534
yeah and if kabylake wants to perform well, it needs MOAR CORES
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>>60002534
RAM for $40 performs only 4% lower than RAM for $240
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how this look

i7 7700 locked
Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler
MSI Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout Edition w/ Window ATX Mid Tower Case
EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
TP-Link TL-WDN4800 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter

>~$750
>first build
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>>60002635
also an optical drive and eventually going for a 1070
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>>60002635
>i7 7700 locked
don't be stupid.
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i got 1500x and b350ma for $210 with taxes included. at my local microcenter.
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>>60002719
too late, also i know literally nothing about overclocking. $250 wasn't terrible
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>>60002635
where's the GPU
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>>60002896
i'm buying it after, see
>>60002695
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>>60002635
>locked CPU
>i7 7700
>with expensive meme cooler
>on a Z270 board
>while skimping on the SSD
>but wasting money on a windok kit
>just to buy an unreasonable PSU
>rounding that pile of shit up with a non AC wifi adapter
The only thing you're missing is RGB LEDs.
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CPU: Intel Pentium g4560
MOBO: MSI H110M PRO-VD PLUS + BIOS Update
RAM: G.Skill Value 8gb DDR4 2133MHZ
SSD: GoodRam SSD CX300 120GB
PSU: Gigabyte PB500 500w
Case: Zalman Z1
+ USB Wifi card and SATA cables
I'll throw 1TB HDD and GTX 1050Ti in there in month or two

Is this build good? I'm trying to go budget without sacrificing much. It's for games like CS:GO, Dota2, Overwatch, Witcher3, CoD4 and Eclipse/Brackets so it doesn't have to be super strong.
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>>60002949
ok so i fucked myself. does the locked i7 bottleneck the ram, like does the mobo only use 2133 w/o overclocking? and what PSU should i use

>everything based on cheapest price, esp. case
>chose fan bc quiet
>idk anything about the wifi adapter
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alright, so i remembered i still have a pentium g3260 lying around, so when my rx 460 sells ill get the cheapest lga 1150 mobo i can find, and an intel stock cooler (or whatever else is around 10$)
then i can take half the ram from my system i built my sister and id be good to go
only problem is the gt 710, not sure if thats better than 4th gen pentium integrated graphics, but whatever
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>>60003055
z270 is for overclocking a K processor numbnuts
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>>60003114
so just get a z170 if you aren't overclocking? i figured if i wanted i could switch to a K and just keep all my nice hardware
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>>60003181
No. Any Z Intel mobo has overclocking
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>>59999076
i used DDU.
but this is a new computer that never had a graphics card in it. I used DDU anyway and got the same results.
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I got a question. What's my best bet on building my own small NAS case wise? I'm thinking of doing a RAID 6 of 6 6TB drives with legit hardware RAID card.
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>>60003266

Just get a big case with lots of room. I built a 8 drive nas in a fractual design node and regret it. Looks great sitting in my closet but I would be happier with a roomier case with good airflow.
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Reccomendations to bring price down?
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-YD1400BBAEBOX/dp/B06XKWT8J4
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Are there any quiet slim 120mm fans?
The airflow they can generate isn't very important, as the positive pressure will help them anyway. They just need to have super quiet motors and super quiet bearings.
It would be too ugly to just have a single 140mm cut out at the top.

I don't think the build I plan to make will fit a normal sized 120mm fan, it won't happen for ~2 months though (Have to wait for itx x370 boards).
It's gonna be something like pic related.

Alternatively, is there any large CPU heatsink with a "high TDP", that is justt a tiny bit smaller than "Be Quiet! Shadow Rock 2"? "Be Quiet! Dark Rock 3" is stated to be wider than the "Be Quiet! Shadow Rock 2", so a fan on the top still wont' fit.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZKZff8

About to pull the trigger in a couple weeks once I've saved up the money. How does this look?
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I'm about to drop the money on this shit but if any of you guys have any last minute changes in mind then it'd be helpful to me.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wqk6Fd

I wanna build a good 1080p60 gaymen machine for $850 without spending money on shit I'm not going to be needing such as extra RAM/VRAM or processor power.
I would also like to do some very light streaming and recording with this as well but having the fastest rig for that is not my concern just the ability to do it without having my machine heat up like a motherfucker would be nice.
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>>60003485
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wqk6Fd
I'd try to bump up the PSU. I'd go for 16GB RAM. If cost is an issue you can buy one single 8GB stick and then buy the second next paycheck or whenever you save up. I'd buy the second stick soon, though. RAM prices have been steadily going up.

I'm also not familiar with that SSD but there are other known brands for similar prices such as Crucial, Mushkin, and Samsung.
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What are the best GPU manufacturers? How can you tell?
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Anyone have a working mitx board and memory combo? Trying to dig through the memory lists for each b350 board and it looks like they havent finished testing this out very little info.
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>>60003485
4GB is enough vram right now, for 1080p, but it might not be enough for that much longer.
GTX 1060 3gb can't handle games anymore, as it lacks the vram to do it.

16gb ram, and an 8gb card may be a better idea.
Even though for now, the difference between 8gb and 4gb may be small, in a year, the difference could be huge.
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fractal cases look really nice, but most of them don't have a bay for an optical drive, which kinda sucks desu senpai
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>>60003483
Same as >>60003637 on video card.

It's a risk to only get 4gb.
I believe even 1050ti can outperform 1060 3gb in some games, simply because of the vram.
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>>59993389
Any new info about AMD BIOS updates for RAM compatibility?

Want to buy some 3000MHz and have it automatically run at 2933
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>>60003663
Is there any particular GPU you would reccomend in the RX 580 8GB line then?
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Can someone explain why liquid cooling is a meme?
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>>60003717
>>60003663
Another idea I had was downgrading to the 1500X and just get a more expensive GPU but I don't know how much getting a CPU with less cores will come to bite me in the butt later.
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>>60003804

Power efficiency has been a main drive for years since the advent of smart phone. Also air coolers got really good. So only hard over clocks could benefit from it. And people with the 1700 from amd are saying the stock air cooler is fine for even that.
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>>60003804
literally just heatsinks and fans but more far away
why bother paying 300 dollars more just to have your heat transferred to somewhere further
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Hey /pcbg/ I had that little fan (the white tacens one) laying around and decided to put it into my PC in preparation for summer, where is the best place to put it? It isnt too firm where it is now but I think it will be enough, I was thinking of maybe glue it on too of the HDDs tray, what do you think?
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>>59996837
Have something similar to this but with a 480, still trying to get it fixed via RMA
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Alright building for office. Making two of these for varied work will each be using 2 and 3 screens. Plan on adding rx 550 video cards.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7RK4vV
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>>60003804
Most are louder and more expensive for a decrease in like 3 degrees
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ssds are so fucking expensive compared to half a year ago or so.

At some time back then I really should have bought one.
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>>60003889

If you are talking full water cooled you can increase the radiator to heat ratio and drop the fan speed accordingly.

Still mostly for the hobby though.
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>>60004076

I think they have only gone down. You sure you are not looking at higher end hardware as opposed to last year?
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Any good ITX cases that would look good with this type of furniture? It has to be able to fit in one of those quarter-circle side shelves, preferably the bottom ones. It's probably about 18"x18"x20".
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>>60004116
no, the crucial mx300 525gb was at 115 eurobucks once, now it's 145 euros.
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How can I bring price down?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vBgwXH
Also, need a link to 20$ windows 10 for this build.
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>>60004138
I could also work with an HTPC-style case for the center stand, as long as it fits an ITX board.
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>>60003562
Anyone?
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>>59993389
Newegg has a whole bunch of these combo deals with the MSI B350M Gaming PRO motherboard in it but I've been hearing it's a bad choice for some reason. Why is that?
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>>60004195
They're all good. Just check specs, warranty, overclocking features
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>>60003040
guys?
I want to order it today, so I would love some insight.
Last time I've built PC in 2004 and new shit comes out every day
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>>60004233
Okay, thanks. I just didn't want to MadCatz my hardware.
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>>60004270
It's a good budget build
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Looking to upgrade my CPU. Right now my current one gets really hot and takes forever to render things with a decent amount of samples.

On ebay I see cheap X5 Xeons.

Would a 2.0Ghz 16 core Xeon processor be better than my 3.3Ghz 6 core i7 CPU?
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>>60004156

Just bootleg 7 and upgrade into legit 10. It can still be done through the accessibility method.
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Did anyone else buy the XFX GTR RX 480? If you look on that back of the box and read the little promotional things it looks like they left editors notes in some of them? I'm not home to take a picture but there were things in parentheses talking about how they could use different words or that this sentence may have sounded better.

The card is fucking amazing but they've obviously done some weird shit when it comes to editing the packaging.
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>>60004300
Thanks, senpai
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>>60004330
Look up benchmarks, but depending on your standards it may be worth it to upgrade your whole platform, at least to a better one that uses DDR3
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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JNx6Fd

Can anyone suggest ways to improve this build or make it cheaper? Its for workstation purposes (music production). I play vidya also but going to just use integrated graphics till I save up enough for a good graphics card later. I'm from UK and my budget is 300.
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>>60004686
>>60004686

NEW THREAD
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Is this an ok build for a gaymen pc? I'm looking to max out demanding titles like The Witcher 3, Arma III, BF1, Deus Ex, etc. in 1080p. I have a 144hz monitor so I'd like to take advantage of that in as many games as possible, but I'm aiming for a steady 60 fps on ultra.

I feel like this might be overkill but I'm not entirely sure. I might look into 1440p in the future, so I guess I don't really mind if I go overboard with it. I'm not too concerned about budget, so cost isn't really a big deal.

I'm a little iffy on the RAM. I like to play around with virtualization and things like that, but idk if 16 GB is a good choice or not. It seems awfully weird to pay the same price for my RAM and motherboard.
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>>60004602
Was trying to keep it under $1000. A used Xeon E5-2683 v4 16 core is about $500.

Right now my AIW water cooler is crapping out and I have to disable 2 cores when rendering to keep the temp under 82c, making the i7 even slower.
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Is there any advantages with X370 from B350 other than SLI extra ports/satas and better onboard sound/lan cards? Wouldn't a B350 suffice just fine for overclocking ram to 3200mhz, a Rysen 5 1600 to 3.8-4.0ghz and an rx 580? Is going for B350 over X370 going to affect performance in any way because of the different chipset?
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>>60004776
Wait for Vega.
Consider a R5 1600 for games or if money isn't an issue wait for Skylake X.
16GB RAM should suffice.
Consider an rx 580 8gb over a 1080 if you got for an R5, testing has shown rx 580 being the ultimate 1440p card so far.
However for 4k gaming either wait for vega or switch 1080 with a 1080ti.
You can possibly cut the cost by downgrading PSU to 650W 80+ Bronze, getting a cheaper case 94$ is a bit much imo, buying a random cheap optical drive.
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w-what can I play
My budget is $500
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>>60005074
Save up a little more and get an R5 1600 or a heavily discounted 1400 at that budget G4560 isn't really worth it. Also consider 3200 over 2400 memory, they aren't that much more expensive.
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>>60004215
>I've been hearing it's a bad choice for some reason. Why is that?
It only has 3 phases, not even doubled, just 3, that's pure shit.




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