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>General
Always consider an SSD if you can afford one and buy an HDD later.
If you want to use WiFi, you will need a Wireless Network Adapter. General rule of thumb is 2.4ghz or 5ghz.

>If you want help
Assemble a part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Remember, we're not here to build a parts list for you, we're here to help you.
If your part list has a monitor, list the monitor specs that you need.
State your budget, currency, and usage scenarios.
Learn how to build a PC: https://youtu.be/VhdV2wv3jQs [Embed]

>CPUs
A8-9600 - Absolute bare minimum gaymen, does not require a dedicated GPU.
R5 1400 - Best with OCing & high-speed RAM.
i5-8400 - Best value for gaymen
R5 1600 - Best value for mixed uses
R7, used Xeon, Threadripper, or 8700k - Heavy multi-tasking & mixed uses

>GPUs
* Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up, using an old GPU or waiting to build may be a good idea right now.
1060 3GB - 1080p 60hz at medium/high settings, anything below this just buy an Optiplex and put this GPU or better in.
1060 6GB or RX 580 - 1080p 60hz at ultra settings, former supports G-Sync, latter supports Freesync
1070 - 1080p 144hz / 1440p 60hz at ultra settings
1080 TI - 1440p 144hz / 4k 60hz at ultra settings

>RAM
* RAM costs so much because newer phones use DDR4 memory.
Check your Mobo's QVL if your on a Ryzen platform
Ryzen CPUs benefit a lot from high speed RAM, 3200MHz is ideal
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And on the 6th day God created AMD.
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>>62876585
Reminder that game benchmark articles are fake news.
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>buy OptiPlex 790 SFF
>1060 won't fit in it
Memed by /pcbg/ again
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>Ryzen 1700x
>16 GB RAM
>64 Bit
>Radeon 480 8gb

This will be primarily for music production and general computer stuff. Can someone here recommend a good monitor with the most bang for its buck?
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>>62876683
Should've checked the specifications, nerd.
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>>62876676
>290x
love this gpu
last truly good gpu amd ever made

also was the last time amd had the fastest gpu
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>>62876697
looks good

>>62876683
get a hacksaw and just nigger-rig it
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continuing from previous thread.

i'm about to order this one
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Bn2C7h

i intend to use it mostly for gaming and programming
i have a curved 27" 1080p/144hz with g-sync and a budget of 1000€

should I just do it?
somebody said on previous thread my GPU is subpar, any suggestions on that?

is this one any better:
I'm considering this one instead
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/6GB-KFA2-GeForce-GTX-1060-OC-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1117353.html

also, any better ideas to make this thing puke rainbows?

thanks
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I bought the 8400 and 3000mhz ram. Can i just xmp and it will auto set my ram to 3000mhz and set its timing and i dont have to fuck with it?
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>>62876752
>wd blue
those things are unreliable and slow, look into getting a 1tb barracuda or something HGST
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>>62876764
xmp a noose around your neck
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>>62876797
pottery
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good monitor recommendations for those who dont play pc games?
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>>62876752
>gainward
I'd probably just get an EVGA 6G for customer support alone for that price.
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>>62876818
a 10 bit color dell monitor
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>>62876764
Maybe. It might crash anyway, XMP can be pretty garbage sometimes. You might have to increase DRAM voltage, VCCSA and VCCIO manually depending on your RAM brand.
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>>62876752
Unless you aren't happy with 60fps the gpu is good enough.
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>>62876829
Hm okay. Ill give it a try and take it from there
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>>62876774
Western Digital is fine? You're retarded, stop shilling for Seagate.
>>62876752
Looks alright. Get an EVGA card, and an EVGA or Seasonic PSU. You don't need the extra cores & threads for just programming, so something Coffee Lake would probably be better. But, the 1600 is alright for gaming.
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>>62876856
Ive had a wd blue for 2 years, its fine. They just have higher failure rates than the hd he described
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Please remove the 8400.

Insert 8600k as the mid top range.

The 8400 probably won't perform that well and no one will ever couple it with an expensive z370 mobo.

The 8600k should be the new king of gaming cpus since the i7 doesn't have any benefits over it now that it's a six core.
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>>62876752
save money and buy a 1070. You will spend 300€ for a 1060 so why not 100 more for a 1070? You will game for years or not?
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>>62876585
>A8-9600

Oh look, the BTFO Pajeet is back.
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>>62876903
Mce doesnt work on locked chips, stop spreading lies. My 8400 maxes out at 3.8 on all cored with a stock cooler and mce off no problem.
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>>62876924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFF6oIcO0jQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEP7vy9Xxk
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Are large capacity HDD's ok nowadays? I remember hearing bad things, but that was a while ago.

Should I get one 4TB HD, or two 2TB HDs?
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>>62876683
You are retarded
>>62876697
What resolution do you desire, and what is your budget?
>>62876818
Depends on budget
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What's a good, and more importantly, quiet 750W PSU? Been trying to identify what the fan sound was coming from when it clearly wasn't my GPU or CPU and it turned out to be my fucking noisy PSU.
Price is not so important, sound levels and efficiency are the priority
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>>62876825
>>62876856
Thanks!
Does this look any better?
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/M3MN8K

Also, extra cores would be helpful for distributed compile in order to build faster.
I use incredibuild with VS2015, it's quite efficient.

>>62876912
Yes, I'm planning to keep this rig for gaming for as long as possible and upgrade when necessary.
Which 1070 would you recommend?

>>62876774
I believe it is fine. I've owned WD before
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>>62876903
>probably

You realise that people posting in this very thread have one, right? I don't mind AdoredTV, but he's completely wrong about the supposed "issue" of 8400s losing performance on lesser motherboards. Objectively and demonstrably so. MCE does absolutely nothing for locked chips. The 8400 performs the same with it on or off. Nobody has managed to get it to stick to 4GHz under load, which is what it would be doing under MCE conditions. Its all-core turbo is 3.8GHz, rising to 3.9GHz on four cores and 4GHz on a single core. Its performance isn't going to change.

People are confusing a real issue (the 8700K and MCE) with something that just isn't one. Deliberately so in some cases I'm sure, to talk down what is the pick of the Coffee Lake chips and a great option to Ryzen for gaming.
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>>62877111
g2?
g3?
Focus Plus?
PRIME Titanium?

>>62877113
>Also, extra cores would be helpful for distributed compile in order to build faster.
>I use incredibuild with VS2015, it's quite efficient.
Sorry, I don't program. Yeah, that looks good.
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>>62877123
How is it in gayming? What GPU do you have?
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>>62877123
>he was dumb enough to use windows 10
>he was dumb enough to use SJWfox bloatware
>he was dumb enough to use coffin lake
>he was dumb enough to play overwatch
do tell why anyone should be listening to a retard like you
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>>62877108
1920x1080

$150
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>>62877175
Who do you game on, lincucks?
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>>62877225
>game
>>>/v/
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>>62877232
How new are you to gee?
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>>62877175
Not an argument faggot.
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>>62877232
Retard.
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Why do people here trust AdoredTV so much when he deliberately spread FUD about the 8400? He had no evidence as to whether the 8400, yet specualted that it was and now retards are parroting him all over /g/. It doesn't matter that people are posting evidence that the 8400 multicore is 3.8GHz, people still think that the 8400 is using MCE when it's not. He should have left the 8400 out of his video because it was just speculation and now it's causing mass confusion.
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>>62877242
>>62877254
>/v/ kiddies getting assblasted when someone insults their """hobby"""

>>62877243
using firecucks, wangblows 10 and coffin lake is enough of a argument against anything you have to say, if you are a complete retard ans you show it im not listening to anything you have to say
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>>62877311
>>62877123
samefag, no one likes yous shit cpu, locked, and non hyperthreaded bottom of the barrel cpu, now fuck off back to /v/
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>>62877317
Why dont you take a break from the internet
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>>62877341
If no one cared we wouldnt see so much damage control.
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Purpose is an AMD gaymen build, budget is 1500$.
Planning to put the two HDD's in RAID.
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I'm currently looking to build my first PC and frankly the volume of information is a bit overwhelming. I feel like I've gotten the basics down like which gpu, psu (50% above recommended ampage for gpu), hdd/ssds to go for and a mobo with slots for everything. There are SO many cpus though and I have absolutely no idea what to go for and in terms of cooling I don't know what fans will fit where or if I am fine with the case built in ones alone etc. I just want to play videogames within a $2000AU budget and not get ripped off.
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>>62877402
Woops.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WDdQm8
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>>62877360
>look mom i posted grand theft pajeet 5 benchmarks again

lets tally things we got going for gta 5

>built around a triple core ibm power cpu
>built around the first unified shader arch gpu
>last gen
>uses 1 thread
>worst console port of 2015
>shitty steam reviews (65% favorable lol)
>stutters constantly on my i7
want me to go on or will you agree that gta 5 i s a all around shitty game and shittier benchmark
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>>62876683
I guess you realize now that SFF stands for Small Form Factor
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>asscock mobo I got from friend
>killer ethernet microdisconnects sporadically
>update killer drivers
>problem goes away for a day and comes back
>update mobo bios
>microdisconnects stop completely
>notice that my dl speeds are unusually slow, on google fiber getting 999 mbps normally up/down
>speedtest and get 50 mbps
help
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>>62877420
you realize that's a SATA SSD, right? You should get NVME
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>>62877446
I know. The M.2 SATA is the same price as the 2.5 equivalent. I just don't like cable management.
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>>62877410
What resolution and refresh rate are you aiming at?
What monitor do you use for gayming?

Just post that and your current list together.
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>>62877420
>mid-tower case
>ATX board
>>>>compact CPU cooler

>M.2 SATA
>not NVME

>optical drive
>2017
LMAO

>$300 gpu
>shitty monitor

>mechanical keyboard meme
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>>62877420
>ssd
>wd
>hard drives
>wd
fucking gag tier shit

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GJQbm8
here i fixed it
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>>62877474
The R5 is a great case.

>>62877446

I have old CD games that I want to play.
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>>62877432
no one cares asus shill
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>>62876752
Get 1070ti if you want to utilize that high refresh rate monitor's capabilities
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>>62877503
asrock dummy
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>>62877474
>he doesn't use optical media
you obviously don't belong here /v/eddit
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>>62877489
the point isn't the case, the point is that there is plenty of space for an equally priced but larger cpu cooler

that cooler is made for compact ITX builds and such
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>>62877528
Eh, your right. H7 is fine?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qd7j6X
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>>62877470
I would like the following out of my build
>1440p 60fps on latest games maxed (figure this will be a 1080 due to shit Australian prices of 1070s)
>monitor (1440p/60hz/~27-34") will be part of the build
>large ATX(?) case focus on being quiet/effective cooling
>16gb ram
>500gb SSD (OS & main games) + hdds to figure out later for bulk storage
Been moving around for work for the last 3 years and just settled down. Only had a laptop in that time
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>>62877512
>muh """""""""""""""""""""""""""(((premium)))""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" chink shit
off yourself asusfag
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MDHgvV

What should I pick up for the GPU + Motherboard combo? I have a i7-2600 that is still running extremely strong even after all these years of having it, so I plan on bringing it over to the new build with fresh paste and an aftermarket CPU cooler.

Target is 1920x1080 60fps on highest settings, although the 2600 might bottleneck if I'm aiming for highest settings, so I am a bit locked. Either way.

Thank you.
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>>62877662
hey man im complaining about them
they carry killer ethernet and are shit
what are you doing
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>>62877746
at least the asrock mobo works, i got an asus one that just came dead
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>>62877729
like a 580 or 1060 6gb, keep the sandy bridge
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>>62877783
What manu would you recommend for the 580? I can afford a little higher end on the 580 no problem, so.

And what should I get for the mobo?
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>>62876585
Reminder that if you're looking at sub-$700 range your money will go significantly further in used parts.
I was given an FX-8150, 8GB of RAM, and a Radeon HD 6870 by a friend. I refurbished it and am giving it away to another friend who just needs something that can handle Overwatch.
The old piledriver stuff is pretty solid for how cheap it is. The price of a 3970X is significantly down, and that think still shows up pretty high in the single-thread benchmarks.
On the server side of things Opteron 6000s are being given away, so if all you want is core count for VMs they are a steal.
Used and last gen is where you should be looking if you want to shoe string.
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>>62877831
xfx or gigabyte probably
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>>62877729
>>62877783
>>62877831
>>62877952
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FqFk2R

So something like this? Or should I ditch Asus GPU/Mobo for something else like you said.

I've always had a good time with Asus manu'd stuff so I don't know.
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>>62876585
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>>62876585
asdf
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>>62877966
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FqFk2R
>kaby lake mobo
>sandy bridge
ok now what the fuck are you doing

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RbJ94C
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>>62877470
>>62877618
This is what I've done so far https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/
I'd like to keep it around $2200 total including monitor but that is a bit ambitious here in Aus it seems
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>>62878056
woops https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/GYxMzM
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>>62877446
NVMe is a meme. Unless he has 2 of them to transfer files between eachother the speeds are negligible and loading into the os is faster on a sata iii.
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>>62877422
Too bad that all perfectly optimized, multi-threaded, vulkan/DX12 using games might be technically good but they're shit games no one wants to play lol

>ashes of benchmarks
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>>62877103
whichever is cheaper assuming you don't RAID
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>>62876585
>A8-9600 - Absolute bare minimum gaymen, does not require a dedicated GPU.
Retarded. If you want an APU you have to wait for the Zen/Vega APUs coming in early 2018

>G4560/G4600
The only reasonable choice for a "minimum" CPU with a dedicated graphics card.

>i3 8100
Better than the R3 1200 for not much more money.

>R3 1200
One of the best budget CPUs

>R5 1400
A cheap 8 thread CPU. Consider the i5 8400 at this price point.

>anything below this just buy an Optiplex and put this GPU or better in
Absolutely retarded. The 1050Ti is a good value gfx card that produces extremely playable framerates even at high settings. Additionally, Optiplex prebuilts do not have a PSU with a 6+2 pin connector, so you'll be shit out of luck with a GTX 1060, which requires one. Furthermore you can't switch out the PSU because it has a proprietary connection to the motherboard.

>Hz Hz Hz Hz (except lowercase like a retard)
All your Hz comments are retarded. Graphics cards do not produce Hz. The 1070 is a great card for 1440p whether used with a 60Hz monitor or a 144Hz monitor; the same goes for the 580 or 1060 at 1080p (great for either type of monitor).
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>>62878068
Case looks like ass but otherwise nothing is wrong with the rest of the build.
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@62878104
(You)
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Why do barely any reviewers benchmark the 1600X instead of the 1600 if they're not going to be bothered to OC the 1600? Someone like Hardware Unboxed benchmark the 1500X and 1800X but not the 1600X
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>>62878068
Also pick a z270 mobo.
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>>62878110
I'll be honest I just pulled it off one of the highest rated. I quite like the big block but completely open to suggestions
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>>62876585

Why'd you skip the 1080 in GPUs? 1080 Ti is considerably more expensive. Like minimum $200 more expensive. Over $300 from a 1070. It's also a great deal at around $450-470 which you can get them at with sales.

I wish Vega was good as the next guy, but the cards are going for like $80-100 over MSRP which is way overpriced.

I have a R5 1600 and GTX 1080, but I got great deals. Both new for ~$165 for R51600 and ~$350 for the GTX 1080 (did some fuckery with discounts/price matches). Couldn't be happier. Would definitely pay the $450 the GTX 1080 was actually worth though. I think the 1070 Ti will push 1080 prices up.
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My manager at work is saying he has a connection to get an i7-7700 used for under $100.

Aside from it being mostly fried from excessive OC, or having been procured in a home invasion, what's the worst that could happen?
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>>62878130
I'd pick a phanteks or fractal design because those are the only cases I've bought from in the last 3 years but corsair makes some nice eye candy. 460x or carbides look ok.
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>>62878104
No, you don't have to wait for Zen APUs since the Bristol Ridge APUs are AM4, that's the entire point. You can just get one now and upgrade later. And the full sized Optiplexes use standard form factor PSUs and there's adapters for the PSU you can buy.
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>>62876984

>All your Hz comments are retarded. Graphics cards do not produce Hz. The 1070 is a great card for 1440p whether used with a 60Hz monitor or a 144Hz monitor; the same goes for the 580 or 1060 at 1080p (great for either type of monitor).
We've had this conversation before, it's about getting as much out of your GPU as possible. Stay mad, shill.
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>>62878123
Just added that and I'm skating around my budget now even without the screen. Not to worry though I'll just save a little more for that.
>>62878153
Thanks mate I'll have a browse through them
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>>62876585
>A8-9600 - Absolute bare minimum gaymen, does not require a dedicated GPU.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-A8-9600-RADEON-R7-10-COMPUTE-CORES-4C-6G-vs-Intel-Pentium-G4560/m339630vs3892

Why the hell are you recommending a dead socket?

Bare minimum should be a G4560/G4600
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>>62878179
I really like phanteks because of the space they have for cable management in the nooks and crannies behind the mobo and they send a little screw box to hold all the screws it comes with. Best of luck to you m8. Enjoy building.
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>>62878191
The A8 9600 is an AM4 processor, you dumb shit.
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>>62878191
>Userbenchmark
Go be a retard somewhere else. You're the one who's recommending a dead socket with Kaby Lake.


https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113453
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are PCI-E SSDs better than SATA ones or is it just a meme?
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>>62878238
Oh rly well that i didn't know lol

its kewl then and yes kaby lake is kinda ded 2
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>>62878159
>You can just get [an A8] now and upgrade later
Retarded. You'll spend less money getting a G4560 + 1050Ti from the start.

>And the full sized Optiplexes use standard form factor PSUs
They use ATX PSUs but the connection between the mobo and the PSU is non standard. AKA you can't use your shiny new PSU with the motherboard, which means that buying an Optiplex for the GTX 1060 is stupid. The best card you can get for an Optiplex is a 1050Ti.

>>62878162
>We've had this conversation before,
And you got your asshole destroyed every time.
The 1070 is a good card for a 1440p monitor, and it doesn't matter whether the monitor is 60Hz or 144Hz. Same for the 580/1060 but for 1080p.

Nice memes, retard.

>>62878243
>a dead socket with Kaby Lake.
Not him, but there's plenty of upgrade potential on LGA1151v1 when coming from a G4560.
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>>62878244
PCIe is faster than SATA. NVMe is a meme unless you have multiple of them or host a server.
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>>62878255
Also, those benchmarks are absolute trash. The A8 trashes the Pentium in every benchmark using the integrated GPU only.
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>>62876984
Everyone knows Intel's iGPU sucks at gaming, that doesn't change the fact that Brsitol Ridge is a horrible value, it's literally just an Excavator refresh. If you ever upgrade GPU's you'll be CPU -bottlenecked, so you'll need a new CPU as well. You're better off finding a used Optiplex or something and throwing in a GTX 1030 or RX 550.
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>>62878262
So you would buya 144hz monitor for more knowing that you wouldn't be able to take advantage of it? YOu're retarded.
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Should I get a 1070 or 1080 for 1440p/60hz?
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>>62878336
1070
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>>62878336
1070. If you ever upgrade to 1440/144 the 1070 can still kick on for a while with that.
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>>62878282
No shit. But the A8 has an iGP that's only good for 720p Low, so who cares? The important thing is that if you are pair with a dedicated gfx card the A8 will bottleneck even the lowest Nvidia card.
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>>62878340
>>62878349
Does shadow of war have some meme resource hog settings or is it representative of new releases not hitting 60fps with 1070?
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>>62878324
>So you would buya 144hz monitor for more knowing that you wouldn't be able to take advantage of it? YOu're retarded.
You're retarded if you think that you COULDN'T take advantage of 144Hz with a 580. OF COURSE 144Hz will be a better experience, retard.

>>62878336
You shouldn't be buying a 1440p 60Hz monitor at all. If you've already got one, either card is fine.
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>>62878355
Yes, which is why it's listed as the bare minimum and specifices that you don't need a dedicated GPU. 7/10 made me mad.
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>>62878358
>Shadow of War
I would really recommend you not buy that unless you want Warner Bros to literally install botnet in your shit.
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>>62878013
Your link doesn't have a mobo selected. But sorry, I don't know too much about computers hardware-wise.

Shouldn't a sandy bridge work on a kaby lake mobo? I kind of want the better ram options.
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>>62878355
The OP said bare minimum with no dedicated GPU, and the A8 fits perfectly in that niche.
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>>62878376
>You shouldn't be buying a 1440p 60Hz monitor at all
Why?
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>>62878404
Because he's retarded. 1440p 60hz is fine anon.
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>>62878387
Mate I'm not buying it I'm just asking if the 1070 will actually handle current games maxed at 1440p. Given I'm already having to fork out about $2300 not including screen, I'm inclined toward the 1080 for the sake of another 100 or so
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>>62878388
>Shouldn't a sandy bridge work on a kaby lake mobo?
Kek, nope. Intel changes sockets every 2 generations. Skylake and Kaby Lake can use z170/z270 boards but z170s need a bios update with a skylake on hand before being able to use kaby lakes.
>>62878418
Yeah, 1070 can handle 1440@60hz perfectly fine. Shadow of wardor is shit, and games like pubg are not optimized well for anything. Depends on the game and how lucky you are with shitty games. I have a 1440/144hz and play rising storm 2 at around 130fps stable on ultra. It handles skyrim, witcher 3 and dark souls 3 very well at 60fps and above if enabled.
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Do you guys know an application that can tell me what speed each individual core isnar for intel? Like overdrive for amd?
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>>62878464
cpu-z?
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>>62878262
Jesus, there's so much wrong with your post that I don't even know where to start.

The G4560 costs 100 bucks and a fucking 2500k outperforms it in gaymen and have about as good of an upgrade path. The Ryzen 1200 costs $105. If you're actually on a poorfag budget then you're not going to spend $100 on a CPU, in that case an Optiplex with a 1050 Ti is going to perform better than the G4560 and you can get the Optiplex for like $100-200 bucks.

The entire purpose of buying the AM4 APUs is that you're going to run it without a dedicated GPU and upgrade later so that you can get on a platform that's actually going to be supported until at least 3 years down the line.

And the G4560 isn't going to be cheaper if you plan on upgrading any time within the next 3 years since you have to get a new motherboard and RAM since the socket is already dead.
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Is A-XMP for the Ryzen any good? I used it to try and up my ram to its max settings since I saw that ryzen cpus benefit from faster ram, but the settings didn't really work and I couldn't boot
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>>62878358
No one plays on Ultra. At High the 1070 will keep a locked 60FPS / 1440p.

>>62878402
>>62878383
It's a waste of money. Anyone who wants an APU (which is fine) needs to wait for the Zen/Vega APUs coming out early next year.

>>62878404
1440p is pretty much an endgame at monitor sizes and viewing distances. May as well spend a little extra money on something that you'll keep for a while. 144Hz (VA panel) has a lot of advantages over 60Hz, particularly when it comes to graphic card selection and avoiding things like screen tearing.

>>62878408
Your butthurt is showing

>>62878461
>1070 can handle 1440@60hz perfectly fine
>1440@60hz
Shut. the. fuck. up.
Your monitor is 768p, retard. Don't talk about things that youdon't know about.
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>>62878464
HWMonitor is usually the best voltage and temp monitor.
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>>62878482
>The G4560 costs 100 bucks
You can find them for around $50 at microcenter if they have them in stock... If they have them in stock.
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>>62878461
Alright gotcha, know any good sandy bridge motherboards then? I mean if not, then I am gonna have to upgrade my CPU I guess.

Which means I will be sad to leave my trusty 2600 ;_;. At the very least, I'll probably build a budget PC with it and give it to my cousin.
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>>62878482
The G4600 is only $80 and it's slightly better than the G4560. The G4560 dream is dead due to no more supply but it's older brothers are still available.
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>>62878490
Literally kill yourself you poor, socially inept mouth breather.
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>>62878287
They're much better value than Intel CPUs when you run them without a dedicated GPU. If you're going to use a dedicated GPU then that's what the AM4 Athlon X4 950 is for, the Bristol Ridge APUs are a stopgap until Zen based APUs are released.
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>>62878490
>no one plays on Ultra
hmmm
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>>62878511
It's still pointless to get one over the 1200, if your budget is so tight that you can't add 25 bucks then you're better off going the Optiplex route.
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>>62878490
>Your monitor is 768p, retard. Don't talk about things that youdon't know about.
You should start. My laptop is 768, my desktop has a 2560x1440p 144hz. Enjoy being mad.
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My 8400 on a stock cooler is maxing out 3.8gz on all cores and got up to 66c at its highest temp in gta v
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>>62878482
>The G4560 costs 100 bucks
Wrong, even the G4600 is only $85.

>an Optiplex with a 1050 Ti is going to perform better than the G4560
Wrong, the G4560 can max out the 1050Ti. No need for an i7 3770 or whatever Optiplex you're looking at. Both situations will be GPU limited.

>2500k and have about as good of an upgrade path [as the G4560]
>And the G4560 isn't going to be cheaper if you plan on upgrading any time within the next 3 years since you have to get a new motherboard and RAM since the socket is already dead.
Wrong, so fucking wrong. If you want to upgrade in the next couple of years you'd just get an i5 7500 or i7 7700 on the used market, no switching mobos required. Considering the price/performance of Coffee Lake, the used value of lets say the i5 7500 will plummet, and fall in line with the i3 8100. (They're basically the same thing.) The used market tells the true value of a part.

Not even close to the old i5 2500K, first because you're already buying into the i5 range, you're buying old as fuck RAM that's a complete waste, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WARRANTY, and last because the power efficiency of the CPUs on that socket is terrible by today's standards.

Shut. the. fuck. up.
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>>62878573
Actual it got to 73 at its highest but its floating around 63 on average
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>>62878574
You're right about the price but you're still annoying af and should kill yourself.
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>>62878262

That dual core Pentium costs around $100 while A8 9600 costs around $70.
A12 9800 at $110 or A10 9700 at $90 that you should be comparing g4560 with are better in every way possible.
>G4560 + 1050Ti
People that fell for this $260 meme will have to buy a new motherboard and cpu very soon.
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>>62878486
Unfortunately XMP is kinda buggy on Ryzen. Did you flash your mobo BIOS? If it's still not working you're going to have to get your hands dirty and configure your RAM manually. Here's how to overclock your RAM without XMP.

>Set your RAM speed. For 2666MHz you would usually type 26.66.
>Set your DRAM voltage. The default is usually 1.20V, however I've found 1.35V works better most of the time. You shouldn't need to go higher unless overclocking higher than your rated speeds.
>Set your timings. These are those 4 or 5 numbers on your RAM kit. Try the default first. If it doesn't boot, raise the numbers. Keep in mind the last, biggest number should always be slightly more than twice the size of the others, and an even number. The first number (CAS) is the most important, try to keep it low if possible.

And there you go, just keep tinkering until it's stable. Yes it's time consuming but it might be what you have to do. The good news is if your timings are unstable it will probably either crash pretty quickly or the RAM speed will drop to base. (2133).
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>>62878520
Hurts when you're shown your stupidity, doesn't it? Better for you to keep your mouth shut when I'm around.

>>62878594
I've got to leave, been nice shitting on the retards around here.

>>62878604
>People that fell for this $260 meme will have to buy a new motherboard and cpu very soon.
No, no, no. I've already laid out why this is incorrect.

Anyway people who suggest the A8 are also suggesting an IMMEDIATE upgrade >>62878159 "You can just get one now and upgrade later. "
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>>62876676

different game
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>>62878638
Good riddance you arrogant prick. Hope you get run over.
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>>62878574
dumb butthurt namefag
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>>62876585
does 8400 4ghz boost works only on z boards?
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>>62878675
No, but it isn't like there are other boards
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>>62878638
Stop memeing people into buying a dual core cpu in current year.
Its performance in a few non cpu intensive first person shooters with a gpu that is way out of its balanced price range will never make up for how overpriced it is and motherboards for it are.
Older i5 from 2400 and up shit on it and cost much less.
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>>62878626
yeah, with a fairly recent build

I was hoping there'd be an easier way than just tinkering, but if that's what I gotta do, that's what I'll do. Thanks anon
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>>62878675
>non k
>overclocking
lol
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>>62878675
For all cores it will ony do 3.8ghz
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Where is the best place to buy a copy of W10 for my new build?
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So /g/ents, it would be fucking stupid to buy a GTX 1070/1080 this year no?

My 3.5 memecard is giving me bad FPS at 3440x1440 a lot of the time while I think I can keep my stock 3770k for a year or so longer....
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>>62878716
Some schools give it out for free. If you're a student or working at a engineering/compsci based facility you might be able to get it for free. Otherwise, linux+gnu is free and so is Wine.
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>>62878716
if legal, microsoft
if illegal, just torrent it
if gray area, you can find cheap ones online (~40 bucks) on places like reddit
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>>62878701
No problem, also remember that if nothing seems to be working and you can't get your RAM to stay at the right speed, try raising your Vcore slightly. Sometimes just increasing the RAM voltage isn't enough, you have to slightly overvolt your CPU as well.
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>>62878737
No. Those are both still good cards. Disregard this massive retard >>62878638
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>>62878739
Thanks
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>>62878716
Kinguin, you can find keys for Pro for about $30 or so.
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>>62878737
1080 or Vega 64 (if you can get it at a decent price) would be best for 3440x1440, 1070 is good for vanilla 1440p but not sure if it would hold up for ultrawide.
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>>62878574
The G4560 costs $100 at both Amazon and Newegg, so unless you have a secret supplier then that's the price for 99% of people buying hardware.

And according to your own benchmarks you're going to get the same performance from a G4560 and a 6700k when you're GPU bottlenecked so why the hell would you go for the G4560 over a 2500k that shits on the G4560 when you're not GPU bottlenecked? You can literally buy a full PC for the same price as the G4560, so throwing that in the garbage and selling the 1050 Ti when you're going to upgrade would be a better way to spend your money than getting a Pentium.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-790-Mid-Tower-3-30GHz-Core-i5-2500-4gb-250gb-DVD-ROM-/132357353162?_mwBanner=1
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>>62878818

cheapest vega 64 is a 100 yurobucks more than the 1080 i'm targeting...
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>>62878716
>to buy a copy of W10
Microsoft does not sell copies of windows 10.
You can pay Microsoft for a permission to use it but you cannot buy a copy of it.

>>62878739
>torrent
>illegal
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>>62876585
>R5 1600
Give me a reason I should buy that when I can get a similarly-power FX 6300 almost a third of the price

>95 W
I think I'd have to try pretty hard to burn an extra $150 in electricity over the life of the computer
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>>62878826
>The G4560 costs $100 at both Amazon and Newegg
The G4600 is only $85. the G4560 is only more expensive because of its meme status, for some reason nobody fucking checks the prices of the other Pentiums.
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>>62878850
Because it's not similarly power you dipshit
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>>62878841
Aka literally everything in the current year fuck off smartarse
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>>62878841
>implying microsoft is ok with you downloading a shared whore copy of their software
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>>62878853
See
>>62878553
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>>62878856
>Both have six cores
>FX 6300 has higher clock speed

??????
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>>62878853
>"Only" $85 for a shitty dual core CPU on a dead socket
Wow, deal of the lifetime right there
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>>62878850
>6300
>similarly powered to a 1600
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>>62878862
>everything

>>62878866
>implying any sane person should care about the well being of giga corporations that enslave him and do not respect his personal freedoms
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Welp, I guess I'm gonna have to upgrade from my 2600 then, since I can't find any good mobos for it, RIP in pieces i7-2600.
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>build would be $300 cheaper in US accounting for currency exchange
damn
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>>62878903
I'm talking about sane people, I'm talking about microsoft not being ok with it and probably infecting the next batch of intel/amd chips with their shit to detect you installing a pirated version of their bloated software before you even type in "windows license".
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>>62878944
>I'm talking about sane people
I'm not, I mean...
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>>62878920

sell it and buy a small incremental cpu-mobo combo. there's still some fags making small upgrades on their working mainboards.
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>>62878920
;-;7
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>>62878993
>sell it
bruh all I'm gonna get from this thing is like $100 at the max.

>>62878995
;_;777
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>>62878850
>>62878890
IPC and SMT make the 1600 much better you retard
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>>62878856
>>62878902
Just checked Passmark. My B


>>62879012
What are those?

On the subject, the OP wasn't kidding about RAM. DDR3 is much cheaper. Good heavens. My rig would almosty be half-price if I built it around the FX-6300
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>>62879071
>passmark
>what are IPC and SMT?
is this post bait?
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>>62878692
G4560 plays all games

>>62878826
Can't ever put a decent GPU in the Optiplex because no 6+2 pin connector from PSU

That ebay listing only comes with 4GB of RAM as well

>>62878850
FX 6300 is nothing compared to R5 1600 retard

>>62878895
Keep ignoring benchmarks >>62878574 and meming, retard
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>>62879071
IPC (Instructions Per Clock) dictates how many indtrucktions a CPU sends out, meaning two chips clocked at the same speed perform much differently depending on architecture.
SMT (Simultaneous Multi-Threading) means that each core processes two threads instead of one, giving more room for multitasking.
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>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/dJzc9W

Literal who 1070 manufacturer but it has dual fans so idk XD
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>>62879112
>idk XD
End your fucking life
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>>62879102
>G4560 plays all games

No.
Football manager, grand strategy, serious turn based strategy, newer total wars, simulators, etc. anything cpu intensive and it shits the bed.
Computers aren't just for playing video games.

>no 6+2 pin connector from PSU
Put you name back on Intel shill.
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>>62879100
No. I built my last computer nearly eight years ago and forgot a lot of this gobbeldygook.

>>62879110
I see, thank you.

Is there any good reason to use modern architecture? I've been scheming around the FX-6300 for a bit, and the MOBOs and RAM are way cheaper for modern stuff. The only downside is that the 6300 basically locks me into a one good mobo (a GIGABYTE, which this was built on) and it's Micro-ATX, so it'll be a tiny computer. I only ever accrued three HDDs for this computer; it just might have enough room for everything
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>>62879132
how rude I'm going back to /r/pcmasterrace
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WD or Seagate?
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Is a Strix 1080 and 7700k enough for demanding games @ 80-100fps ?
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>>62879237
what res?
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>>62879170
Prove it. Minimum FPS requirement 30 for anything non shooter
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>>62879201
Like I said, IPC boosts give modern chips an advantage.
Even a Ryzen 5 1400 beats the FX 6300 completely.
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>>62879241

oh yeah, derp, 1440p

Ti was out of my budget.
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>>62879237
At 1440p, yes. Why would you have a 7700k though
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>>62879253
you'll need to lower a few settings on newer games, but yeah
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>>62879256

8600k, but just comparing it to 7700k and didn't want let the extra cores taint the comparison.
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>>62879259

like what ?

I'm guessing in the witcher 3 that just means don't use hairworks ?
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>>62879281
AA basically
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>intel doesn't even make the list in sub-$1000 computers
DELID THIS
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>>62879245
>FPS requirement

Football manager when played as God intended it to be played has an enormous database with players.
Whole soccer leagues and competitions are being simulated based on players, coaches stats, weather, tactics,etc. like in a very complex rpg.
Game didn't even have a 3d match day engine until recently.
You clearly do not understand, what cpu intensive means.
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>>62879304
>$1000 PC
>literally recommending an R5 1600

surely he jests
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>>62879248
Passmark says it's twice as powerful, and that's really cool, but I also have to think about the associated cost of using modern stuff:

>$140 difference between the CPUs
>$40 difference between MOBOs
>16 GBs is $185 instead of $135 (+ $50)

An extra $200 off the bat. Throwing in a case/PSU/SSD, I could make a computer based off the FX-6300 for a little over $400. Another HDD and a decent GPU put it at around $650. I'd be close to $900 using the R5. It's not 'bad,' but my current rig (Athlon II X4 620) has even kept up with Overwatch and I don't really know how much computer power I could possibly need. The FX-6300 still has a bit more juice than the A8 listed in the OP.
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>>62879357
>implying Intel is at all relevant at any price point below $2000

You know the saying, "A fool and his money are soon parted"?

It was coined literally because of Intel fanboys.
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>>62879304
>recommending those trash processors
How much is he being paid by AyylmaoMD?
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is it okay to buy ddr4 memory second hand?
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>>62879440
Yes, I've never seen anyone brick their RAM, although I'm sure there's someone out there retarded enough to have done so.
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>>62879378
>>It was coined literally because of Intel fanboys.
what did he mean by this?
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1440p 144hz.

Currently have a 980 Ti and i5 6600k OCd to 4.3.

Looking to upgrade. Should I buy a video card now, or try to wait until next cycle?
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You guys think I'd get a better deal for a 1070 than 400 bucks on Black Friday/Cyber Monday or should I just buy now? Also is there a good chance I could get a 1080 for 450?
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>>62879538
>>>/adv/18817003
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Probably something when Volta rolls out, since it will have a better value. Or you could buy the 1080ti now.
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>>62879640
Sorry, I meant to quote >>62879538
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Is it bad to mix an Nvidia GPU with an AMD CPU?
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>>62879691
Nah. You get the best of both worlds.
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>tfw my 8700K only does 4.9 all core at 1.4v
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>>62879691
intrinsically evil act
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>>62879643
>want to wait for Volta
>no release dates
Aaa
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>>62876585
Recommend me some good CPU coolers? Doesn't matter what kind. My all-in-one Corsair H60 is on its last legs.
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>>62879724
have you tried some of the more advanced oc settings? is that 4.9 limited by prime95 stability?
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>>62879794
What's your budget and what is your case's cooler clearance?
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>>62879691
No
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>>62879724
Wendell claimed in a video today that you'll see serious degredation at anything over 1.35V.
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>>62879817
I'll look into that if you recommend me some.
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Well finally decided to upgrade from the i7-2600. So this is what I am looking at buying.

Anything I should tweak? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rFK94C
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>>62879825
based on what? unless it degrades in a week or two you cant really say for sure. through intels recent history there have been chips that degrade easily and some that are very resilient to voltage, so determining when the cpu is in danger at this point is too early.
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>>62879834
Noctua coolers are really good (NH-D15 and NH-D15S, or any of their step-down models depending on price or performance needs)
Scythe fuma I've heard is good
AIOs kinda suck so no reccomendations
>>62879848
>7700k
Never worth it, especially now
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>>62879885
Well would you say the 1700X/1800X are worth it then? I was thinking of going full AMD.
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>>62879848
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rFK94C
1080p 60Hz monitor?
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>>62879896
Yup. I'm not planning on going 120hz anytime soon and I don't need anything bigger than 1920x1080.
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>>62879865
I dunno, but I trust him more than some retard on /g/.
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>>62879893
1700 overclocked is a better than either of those
Anyway, you have a GPU bottleneck so buying anything over a 1600 won't help you.
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>>62879813
No, I just disabled all the turbo nonsense and set the voltage and stuff as is. I think I'm limited mostly by temps, it appears stable but it's hitting 105C and throttling in prime so I'm just testing by running games and such which generate much less heat, no WHEA errors yet.

>>62879813
Sauce on this? My last two chips also seemed to degrade, but I can't say for sure, I was running an insanely high voltage on my second one, like 1.5V, so I kind of deserved it.
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>>62879917
How will the 580 bottleneck the 1700? But in any case, should I then just buy the 1600X and wait until I can upgrade to the VEGA cards?
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>>62879948
I'm just saying that money would be better spent on a better video card, rather than on a better CPU.
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>>62879893
1600 is the best bang for the buck desu
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>>62879962
Well here's the problem, I could save a lot and spend on a massively better GPU by keeping my i7-2600. But I cannot find any decent Sandy Bridge motherboards myself, and no one here seems to know any either.

So I'm at an impasse. I'm gonna have to upgrade my CPU if I can't find a motherboard that will be good for the i7-2600 + 580. But if I am gonna upgrade my CPU, I'm spending 200-300 on it no matter which way I look at it.

I could get a better card by going toward Vega, but then the i7-2600 would massively bottleneck that... So...

>>62879972
Probably what I'll do then yeah. 580 + 1600 until I can afford Vega, then I'll pop in a 1800X.
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>>62879905
Eight (8) years ago I bought one benq 24" 1080p 60Hz 2ms response time monitor.
My cpu was AMD Athlon x2 6000+ black edition, 2GB of ddr2 ram and radeon 3650 that I replaced soon with HD4850.
Using that asus monitor with components you plan to buy is the same as if I used a 17" crt with 1024x768 resolution back then.
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>>62879990
1800x is an awful value though
All of Ryzen 7 is the same if you OC
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>2K dollary doo PC
>Can only use half my fucking RAM at a lower speed then it's built for even though the motherboard sees all 16 gigs of it.
I know I posted this yesterday but god damnit I'm so bummed out because the only thing I can think of is that my motherboard is bad.
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>>62880014
Did you check QVL?
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>>62879938
>105C
wtf cooler are you using?
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>>62880044
NHD15, fuck water cooling.
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>>62879916
>I dunno, but I trust him more than some retard on /g/.
why trust anyone, why not question everything?
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>>62879994
>Using that asus monitor with components you plan to buy is the same as if I used a 17" crt with 1024x768 resolution back then.
That makes no sense. There is no reason to use anything more than a 1920x1080 in a majority of cases.
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>>62880185
>no reason to use anything more than a 1920x1080 in a majority of cases.
unless you run big screens or are close enough that you can see the difference in resolution.
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Are Asus monitors decent?
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>>62879348
Alright, so you have no examples

>>62879691
Actually slightly. Seems Nvidia drivers don't like Ryzen in DX12

>>62879848
I7 8700K just came out. Two extra cores over the 7700K

>>62880064
Verify anything you read here. Retards like the OP abound
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>>62877844
im scared of shit being broken / nearly broken after I buy it
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>>62880255
I don't know.
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>>62880036
I got the closest thing that I could find for it without going completely overboard which is the F4-3200C14D-16GFX I tried to get one of the ones on the qvl list but they were either a ridiculous amount more or just not up for sale at all.

I geniunely doubt that this is a memory qvl issue since I just tried to change a few memory options in the BIOS to see what would happen and saw that the BIOS was literally not even seeing the changes I made.

As in it was saying "You have not made any changes to the BIOS settings." When I click on the "Save and Exit" option and I clearly did change shit.
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>>62880268
Thank you for your help
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>>62880253
I'm close enough that I could see the difference in resolution, but you aren't really giving me any reason to use a 1440p over 1080p. Like why should I go for 1440p/60hz (which is going to be harder to keep consistently) versus 1080p/60hz.

More importantly if you feel that 1080p isn't good, then recommend me some monitors then.
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>>62880272
>save and exit
>not using discard changes and exit
you must have only gotten a PC post 2000 this is pretty common knowledge for bios shit
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>>62880303
I...what?
That makes no sense, elaborate please.
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>>62880294
I've got a 1440p 144hz monitor and it is night and day over a 1080p 60hz, the higher res is sharper, and the higher frame rate is smoother and there is less frame tearing (which I find very distracting)

the monitor I have is an acer that was $400 on amazon ($500 newegg)
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>>62880272
Are you on the latest BIOS?
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>set out with a budget of $1800
>finish up v1 of my build at $2855.60
I tried
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>>62880380
Yes, I updated the BIOS pretty much the day I saw that I wasn't getting full memory which was about 4 days ago.

Trust me when I say that anything that can be found on the first page of google when you search "Crosshair VI Hero half RAM usable" I've already tried before coming here.

I am interested in doing this memory remapping thing I found but there isn't a direct option for "memory remapping" there are several and when I change them as I said here >>62880272 it doesn't see or save those changes.

I honestly am dumbfounded at what the hell could be the problem with that. It's not a battery issue because it was able to update and save perfectly fine. I even tried changing some overclocking settings on it and it saw them when I tried to Save and Exit. I have no fucking idea what is going on with my BIOS at this point.
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>>62880403
if you want help just say you want help you nu-male pussy fuck
I>f your part list has a monitor, list the monitor specs that you need.
>State your budget, currency, and usage scenarios.
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What are the GPU equivalents of the PS4 Pro & Xbox One X?
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>>62880349
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9C9mXH

So something like this then, yeah? Although I was hoping to not spend so much on the monitor but oh well.
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>>62880435
Don't be rude I was just going for a slightly comedic post. >https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/2NDgvV
>1440p/60hz
>latest games maxed out @ above
>preferably 2400 AUD budget and every dollar below is a bonus
And your thoughts? Please be gentle its my first build
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>>62880435
>>62880485
oh and monitor 27" minimum
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>>62880448
PS4 is around an HD 7850 and HD7870. GTX 750Ti is also used as a common comparison. Xbone is a bit weaker GPU so probably an HD7770 or GTX 750. Keep in mind die to "console optimization" the PS4 and Xbone have probably aged slightly better than those individual cards.
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>>62880505
Oh fuck I thought you meant the vanilla consoles. PS4 Pro is about a 470, while Xbone X is roughly around a 580, maybea 1070 on a good day..
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>>62880448
Hard to say, since you are comparing GPUs to APUs.
PS4 pro is worse than an RX 470 in raw teraflops, while Xbox One X is worse than a GTX 1070, but this doesn't equate to real performance.
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>>62880545
make sure the lines are alligned in the middle of the connector on the stick and push pretty hard, its scary at first but it shouldnt break lmao
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>>62880485
It's shit.
Why does everything in your upside down giant-spider infested country cost so much?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/4yRPwV
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>>62880545
just wait until that 20+4 pin connector

did that twice on my mobo because bench test, jesus christ my mobo is a survivor
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>>62880466
this is what I have, the biggest difference is that the panel is TN with 1ms response time

the IPS on that asus montitor probably looks better though, but the TN panel is way cheaper and the viewing angles are good for a TN
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>>62880545
First time was tough for me, too.
Yes, make sure it is aligned correctly and push intil the lock "clicks" in.
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>>62880559
Retailers shaft us and import taxes + shipping mean you can't do anything about it. I appreciate the effort but I definitely want to go with a 500gb SSD as my OS + primary game installs. 250 just isn't enough. Also the reason why I took the 1080 is because if I'm going to have to pay ~$650 for the 1070 I may as well fork out another 100. Adding KB+Mouse too brings me back up to $2450 with that build but that's still an improvement. Fuck I wish I lived in the states
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How safe is it to paint a CPU Cooler? I want to get the Noctua DH15 but I want it in black and not hte ugly ass colors.

Anyone have experience in painting computer parts?
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>>62877123
What kind of turbo does the 8400 get across all cores? My R5 1600 can sustain 3.9GHz on 6 cores with the stock cooler, genuinely curious if the 8400 can do 3.8GHz with the Intel stock cooler. Given Intel's wording of their ideal Turbo environment, I suspect it's probably much lower unless you invest in beefy cooling and the Z board with good heat dissipation.
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>>62880264
There are things you don't buy used.
HDDs and SSDs, unless you check the SMART data, are a terrible choice. Hell, even with that data they're probably a terrible choice.
But most non-mechanical, and well-designed components don't tend to break under normal conditions.
In general Motherboards, RAM, and processors don't degrade in performance. They work, or they throw some pretty glaring signs that they are failing, and a lot of used vendors still offer some return policy or warranty so as long as you test stuff quickly you can often return it. Best thing though: used hardware filters out all the factory DOAs.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wrfzJV

Well this is what I finally decided on. Of course when I can afford too.

1700 -> 1800x -> Eventually -> Threadripper
580 -> VEGA
Motherboard + RAM -> Right before VEGA card or when I feel like it.
2TB -> 5TB
Gonna decide this before I buy the HD in case I want more space for the games.

1440p/144hz. Even if my 580 won't hit 144hz consistently on modern games at max or close to max settings, I'll at least get 60FPS hopefully. And if not, I'll just crossfire two 580's.
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>>62880644
I ran firestrike physics on my 8400. It maxed out all cores at 3.8. It has a max voltage of 1.222 so it stays pretty cool overall. Was able to play gta v for an hour on the stock cooler and staying around 70c twards then end
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>>62880635
If you paint the fan blades then they could become off-balance and make noise
Overall not worth it
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>>62880686
The 1800x isn't an upgrade from the 1700
Literally just overclock
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>>62880644
Also people need to stock repeating that shit the amd shill saidm its a 1.222v max cpu, you are a fucktsrd if you think a b or h mobo cant handle that. The z370 hasnt even gotte n above 40c while the cpu was at 70c
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>>62880466
I wouldn't go with that ram, ryzen does better with faster ram, this is also cheaper
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>>62880697
So just stick with 1700 until eventual Threadripper?
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>>62880701
Yes. Or upgrade late 2018 at Zen 2
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>https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2mQRsY/phanteks-enthoo-pro-m-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-es515ptg_bk

How is this case?
Are there any glaring flaw other than the """modular addons""" milking scheme?
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>>62880700
Gotcha, thank you.

>>62880706
Kk, thank you too friend.
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What's a good tower for someone who's building a PC for the first time? Preferably one that's both practical and is big enough to not have to really worry too much about running out of space for parts during assembly
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>>62880597
Thanks anons.

Also aren't motherboards typically supposed to come with the screws to put in the case or do I need to run to home depo
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Why is the 8400 performing so well in benchmarks when it's only 2.8Ghz locked?
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>>62880882
Because what amounts to a slightly tweaked 6-core Skylake chip is still really, really fucking good.
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>>62880869
Your case should come with the proper screws and standoffs.
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>>62880867
full tower lian li no but seriously something from cooler master or HAF
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>>62880882
>how does the BASE CLOCK perform so well
Get the fuck out of here retard
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is g.skill flare X good RAM for Ryzen?
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I just found a shop selling preorder 8700k at $30 below MSRP (by mistake most likely, they have duplicate listings). I just made a backorder but didn't pay yet. Will they honor the deal when they have it in stock?
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>>62880986
Yes, but it's intended to be overclocked so if you aren't into that go with something else on QVL.
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>>62881030
Maybe, maybe not.
If so, lucky you.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PXQWgL

Does this look okay for a gaming PC? I'm new to this so no bully
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>>62881031
alot of stuff on QVL wants to be overclocked apparently
What's a good non-snowflake Ryzen RAM that I won't have to OC and use out of the box?
>>62881048
you don't have a graphics card
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>>62881048
I have excreted more potent builds from my anus
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>>62881048
Aweful :)
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>>62881048
Wow what a powerhouse.
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>>62881048
Please tell me you don't intend to use that 2TB HDD for booting in %CurrentYear%
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What's good in the world of mics?
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>>62881069
Ripjaws V 3000MHz is pretty good for its price desu. You can still get Flare X or other B-die kits but they are best used with BCLK overclocking and you won't get the full value.
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>>62881092
What are you looking for?
If it's just for Skype use a clip-on mic or a webcam mic
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>>62880898
Fuck are they supposed to be in like a little baggy or something.

I remember someone mentioning that the only thing they didn't like about my build was the case (Phanteks Eclipse p400) and now I'm wondering if they said it cause it doesn't come with the little screws you need to install the motherboard cause I definitely didn't see any in the box it came in
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>>62876585
i hate how intel removed the threads below i7 and just put cores

i think ice lake will be coffee lake+hyperthreading
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>>62881107
Should be in the box or somewhere inside the case
>>62881048
Felt bad for you so here is this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cMWqCy
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>>62881102
Just talking with friends yeah.

Mics are horribly overpriced in Canada it seems.
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How realistic would a 500+MHz BCLK OC be? Can you still even use things like hard drives at that stage?
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8400 is clocked too low aarrgghh
how high will its turbo speed reach??
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>>62881180
Up to 4GHz on 1 core I think
What you get on all depends on cooling solution
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>>62878262
every cpu on that socket is a stuttering mess
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>>62881180
hjow aboyut getting a 1600 and not worrying about this stupid shit

>>62881196
>1 core
back to 1998 with you
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>>62881048
The R5 1600 is going to be severely bottlenecked by the the GTX 960
Get an SSD
Drop to 650W PSU at most
I would get a micro ATX mobo and a mid or mini tower

>>62880882
It has an "opportunistic" 3.8GHz turbo on all six core.

>>62880520
>Xbone X is roughly around a 580, maybea 1070 on a good day..
580 and 1070 aren't even close

>>62880485
Don't buy that. Check out the difference between the i5 7600K and the i3 8350K (hint: there is none). You want the i5 8400

>>62880466
Build is pretty imbalanced
The 580 is slightly weak for 1440p
The CPU isn't worth it for gaming. Drop to the 1600X at most
Get a 240GB SSD at least
Get 3000MHz RAM (that you can run at 2933)
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>>62881079
>>62881082
>>62881087
Stop it! I'm on a tight budget and I already have enough self-esteem issues as it is
>>62881069
But I do though. It's my the gpu from my old pc that until now has helped me play most games on my toaster at at least a steady 15fps and has been with me through thick and thin
>>62881155
thanks though it's a bit over my price range
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>>62881302
Anyway don't buy a cooler and get an SSD
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>>62881331
>>62881331
>>62881331
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>>62881285
>Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor and MSI - Z270 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard are not compatible.
Can you please suggest an alternative? Thanks for the help
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>>62881338
You need a Z370
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>>62881338
Also get 3000MHz DDR4 and a 144Hz VA panel monitor. They're about 650USD, not sure what they are in kangabux
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>>62881364
I've tried 144hz and although I enjoyed it, I don't need it. I'm happy with 60 and would rather get better colour/blacks IPS for less money. I'm already way over budget.
>>62881344
Does it matter much which brand I get with the Z370?
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>>62876585
>buy ssd first
>fill it up in a week
huehuehue
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>>62876676
>nu-/g/'s reading comprehension
Just kys and get the fuck off this board.
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>look in motherboard booklet for where these go
>look in case booklit for where they go
>can't find anything

Pls assist where the hell do I find the info for them. There's a couple more on the other side too.
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>>62882014
Take a picture of the bottom of your board
I should be able to spot them
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>>62882014
Here's where they go. Use the manual the motherboard came with to tell which spots to plug them in.
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Just bought a 7700k. How badly did I fuck up? Paid about $270 open box.
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>>62882510
retard
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>>62882510
have fun corelet
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>>62882510
>buying a CPU on a dead platform that gets BTFO by a cheaper one on a new platform




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