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Are smart tvs a meme?

I'm shopping for a 65" tv and happened across this:

https://www.amazon.com/Sceptre-Ultra-LED-Black-U658CV-UMC/dp/B0198XNF6U/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1515799124&sr=1-1&keywords=65+inch+tv+4k&refinements=p_89%3ASceptre

This is the only non-smart tv I can find at this range. Was also looking at this:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-65-class-64-5-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-home-theater-display/5608905.p?skuId=5608905

Are they slower to start up? Is that shit worth an extra $200?
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>torrent a movie in .mkv format
>stick it on a usb drive
>stick the drive into my smart tv
>now can watch a 4k movie of my usb drive on the big screen for free
>didnt even have to plug my computer in
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They're slower to startup from a shutdown state, but when you use the power button on the remote they just go to sleep.
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>>64286623
that sounds like a pain in the ass though
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>>64286600
Any TV can play mkv files over USB, doesn't matter if it's smart TV or not.
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>>64286664
How is it a pain in the ass?
The experience is the same as a regular TV, you're not going to be rebooting it all the time.
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>>64286564
Very much so.
They're absolute shit and actually really insecure.

But like you said, it's practically impossible to find a modern relatively high end TV that isn't """"smart""""
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>>64286564
Absolutely and so are 4K TVs

>smert teebees
They always have a shitty processor with an Android OS varient filled to the brim with bloatware. Get a mini-itx desktop pc and plug that in instead, cheaper and miles better

>KKKK
It's not the resolution that's the problem but the videi available for said resolution. even 4K blu-ray movies are encoded with 420 blaze it faggot chroma sub-sampling so they're actually true 1080p video. You need 8K content to take advantage of a 4K TV and that won't be a thing for like a decade.
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>>64286678
cause it'll always be on and probably have a faggy LED keeping me awake

>>64286710
I don't really care if its a 4k tv I just want 65 inch
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>>64286733
Then get a 1080p one and play 4k movies on it. Once we get a ton of 8K content getting a 4K TV will be worth it. For now all a 4K TV will do is enlarge 1080p (ie "4K") video which is going to look like ass.
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>>64286710
it's really hard to find a non-4k non-smart 65" tv today

i suppose they simply arent making fullhd anymore, and the actual production cost of the panel doesn't differ that much
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>>64286667
CRT tvs don't have USB, 12 year olds. >>>/b/
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>>64286810
Right but since no true 4K video exists it means seeing 1080p stretched out to 4K which will look like shit. It's not even future proofing as by the time 8K video becomes mainstream 4K tvs will already be getting tossed in the trash.
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my old sony took over 30 seconds to boot, my current samsung takes about 6 seconds
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>>64286681
the sceptre linked in op is literally a non-smart 65" tv
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>>64286564
Well, are the smart features worth it for you? My TV isn't smart but I think if it were I would only use external devices anyway. So I personally wouldn't pay more for a smart TV.
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>>64286867
I'm fairly sure most 4K displays can use 4:4:4 signals. A video game set to 3840x2160, for example, is "real" 4K.
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>>64288076
not really

I have a PS4 that does everything a "smart tv" will need. Just want a big ass tv but the Sceptre is literally the only non-smart tv I could find that was 65inch.
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HDR aside, how do these panels differ from from a $3k Sony or LG panel?
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>>64286733
My smart TV has an LED but in the setting I can turn it off. It's dark at night
>>64286564
Worth it. I got my smart 55" 4k tv from Costco for like 350
>>64287271
Mine is on in like 2 seconds
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>>64286810
in the usa I literally cannot find any, settles for 1080p
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>>64286835
And while I love CRTs there's no reason to own one in 2018 other than a passion for cancer. Get with the times or neck yourself grandpa.
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>>64286867
1080p video upscaled to a 4k display looks much better than 1080p video on a 1080p display you fucking idiot.
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>>64286835
Where can I buy a new crt?
>>64290873
>And while I love CRTs there's no reason to own one in 2018
Image clarity, and total lag.
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>>64286564
Smart tvs are televisions with computers you can't control embedded in em, and many of those already display ads over the content.
If you NEED to have a smart tv, keep it off the internet.
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>>64286623
That's a load of crap.

I got a 65" Vizio 4K Smart TV last August with built in Chromecast.

That shit boots up to full functionality in less than 5 seconds.

Smart TVs aren't a meme if you stream.

But you could just do the same thing with a Roku or HTPC, etc.
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>>64286710
>even 4K blu-ray movies are encoded with 420 blaze it faggot chroma sub-sampling so they're actually true 1080p video. You need 8K content to take advantage of a 4K TV and that won't be a thing for like a decade.


You're an idiot.

DVDs and 1080p Blu-Rays are also 4:2:0 color subsampled. Most consumer video is.

That's why "Chroma processors" in TVs and MadVR in HTPCs are so important/ popular. They're there to properly scale the color information to the native resolution.
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>>64286564
I would rather get a big monitor and a hdmi switch. Used enough smart TVs where I work, and they're all junk. Giant PC monitors, public displays, and professional monitors are much better.
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>>64286867
1080p on a 4K TV looks exactly like watching a 1080p screen of that same size.

1 1080p pixel = 4 pixel block on a 4K set.

No complex scaling needed.
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>>64288098
Then just buy the best bang of the bucks TV. Doesn't matter if it smart or not. If it a smart TV but it's display are better and cheaper than the others, then just buy it. If it's not, then just don't buy it.

Why are you complaining about smart TV anyway?
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>>64291048
>professional monitors are much better

Yes, totally worth the price.
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>>64288076
"Smart" platforms subsidize the cost of the TV and make them cheaper you idiot.
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>>64291060
>No complex scaling needed.
Except they do it anyways and ruin the picture.
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I bought one month ago and i really enjoy the built in Youtube and Netflix apps

Chromecast always seemed to be a bigger hassle than it should have been when i had it before.

Who knows how long it will continue working like it does now though
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>>64291068
For the past year or so, the big TV manufactures are making their entire lineup "smart."
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>>64291080
>t. idiot who has no idea what he is talking about
Tell me that nearest neighbor looks the best out of all these images.
https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/Upscaling
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>>64291080
[citation needed]

With 4:2:0 subsampled video, the brightness information is full resolution. It's only the color resolution that is half-resolution.

This sort of color compression has been used for decades because humans see brightness changes better than color changes.

Where this really causes issues is in video production where you're creating a mask from a blue or green screen.

Now, depending on the device and the TV, you send the TV full 4:4:4 if it accepts it or you send it 4:2:2 or 4:2:0.

So it comes down to which device do you want doing the Chroma scaling,

Obviously, if you're using a GTX Titan in a HTPC doing Neuron scaling in MadVR, you want to send the information at 4:4:4 to the TV and hopefully the TV doesn't do something stupid like down convert it back to 4:2:0 sometime before it displays it.

But if you have a shitty source, maybe the 4:2:0 to 4:4:4 conversion is better handled in your TV. In that case, send the data to the TV at 4:2:0 - as it is typically encoded for consumers.
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>>64291094
The best option is always 1:1, if you cannot do that, the second best is using 2x2 pixels on the monitor to output one single pixel from the video. You can do that with FullHD video on a UHD monitor, but they fuck it up anyways. Not that noticeable from the couch anyways, but it is on a PC monitor.
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>>64291117
Not sure why you feel the need to explain this to me. I'm not disagreeing with anyone. Just pointing out that TV's fuck up the picture, even when they don't need to. A 1080p TV will even stretch and smear the picture from a native 1080p source, when a PC monitor wouldn't. Working with TVs is a chore.
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>>64291117
>[citation needed]
They'll always have some sort of complex scaling on if they are displaying a video at non-native resolution. It's easier to have one scaler that does a good enough job scaling both chroma and luma channels at arbitrary scaling factors than to adding an additional scaler that would switch on when scaling from specific resolutions.
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>>64291117
Why the fuck not just use fucking RGB? Fuck me...
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>>64286564

Always remember.... you get what you pay for. You're shopping around for a $599 posit's gonna operate like a $599 pos
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>>64291513
https://www.xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml
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>>64286835
>any LCD TV is a mart TV
>any non smart TV is a CRT
You're really dumb.
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>>64291338
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. 1:1 mapping to 2x2 pixels is exactly what nearest neighbor looks like, and exactly what it would look like on a 1080p screen without upscaling. Now tell me that doesn't look like complete shit compared to all the other options there are.
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>>64291589
The source is tiny so the scaling is very drastic and the the scaling factor could be arbitrary.
Nearest neighbor sampling would work on TVs because 1080p on a 50" TV is still small enough that the pixels are not visible. In essence, you're just reducing the pixel density of a 4k TV if you are doing nearest-neighbor from a 1080p source.
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>>64286600
all at the small price of being part of the spook botnet
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>>64286600
>stick drive into smart tv
>smart tv doesn't support decoding of format
Happened with me when I tried to watch seinfeld on a Hisense.
>inb4 they're all mkv files
You're probably a retard if you think it's as simple as that.
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>>64291680
It's the same thing. Nearest neighbor scaling is absolute shit for any real content. The only thing it would be useful for is old video pixelated video games. Please fuck off if you have no idea what you are talking about. You've probably never even seen a 4k screen in real life.
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>>64286600
>torrent some good ol' midget porn
>stick it on a usb drive
>stick drive into my smart tv
>now LG knows im watching midget porn on the big screen for free
>didn't even have to connect to LG's servers myself

https://doctorbeet.blogspot.bg/2013/11/lg-smart-tvs-logging-usb-filenames-and.html
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>>64291709
>Please fuck off if you have no idea what you are talking about. You've probably never even seen a 4k screen in real life.
I have a 4k screen and your example is not comparable because it scales the pixels to a point where they actually become visible, which is why it looks like shit. Pixel density is another thing to keep in mind here. Keep shouting "you have no idea what you're talking about" like a retard as if it's an actual argument.
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>>64291741
Oh you do have a 4k display? Then let's try scaling 1080p to 4k. Tell me which one looks better.
https://pomf.pyonpyon.moe/qyykqp.png
https://pomf.pyonpyon.moe/fiiqrl.png
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>>64291879
Well, it's essentially the difference between a reduction in practical pixel density and sharpness added by your scaler of choice.
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>>64291918
You're still unironically going to assert that nearest neighbor is better? Man you must be blind.
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I have a smart TV and it was a great buy
spent $800 on a 55 inch and it's just a nicer thing to have, especially using a DNS server for my netflix on the PS4 and having the TV netflix go through default DNS allows me to have netflix from 2 different countries on the fly.
Also TV channels have there own streaming services which have backlogs of episodes you can watch if you miss something
All around a nice buy I found worth the money.
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>>64291932
Are you the type of faggot that likes to add sharpening filters to your animu?
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>>64291952
Just tell me which one you think is better. Make sure to view them both in fullscreen mode.
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>>64291540
Okay, that's really quite enlightening, but ARE YOU TELLING ME ALL MY VIDEOS ARE HAVING THEIR COLOR DATA BUTCHERED LIKE THAT?
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>>64291979
It would take twice the size to have the "full" color data and you wouldn't even be able to notice the difference idiot.
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>>64291997
Well why not double the size anyway so I have more of the stuff I can notice?
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>>64291518
>you get what you pay for

Not necessarily, especially with TVs.
You can't just shop by brand names anymore because everything is so outsourced, you have to shop by individual models.
You can spend $1200 on a big brand name like Sony or Samsung and get the same exact screen and shit that's used on a $600 Ching Chong. So you have to shop carefully.
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>>64286564
you can just keep it off the internet and use a sleep/quickstart function which means it'll use a little more power while it's "off", like a weak smartphone in standby but it will turn on like a regular tv.




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