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In today's news, Warner Losh of the FreeBSD Code of Conduct Committee admits to being the screeching autist at BSDCan. Pic very much related.

https://youtu.be/UaQpvXSa4X8?t=19m21s
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=152883510311011&w=2

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>OpenBSD
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html

>NetBSD
http://netbsd.org/docs/guide/en/

>DragonFly BSD
https://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/handbook/

Discuss.
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>cuck license
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I use freebsd please no bully
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Wow, it's real.
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=152883510311011&w=2
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>>66327917
>FreeBSD
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>>66327917
>Please disregard the "real talk" and substitute it with this pandering,yellow bellied,canned apology.
Grow some balls,faggot.Stand up for yourself.This type of slimy behavior is what is destroying the world,not the infrequent over the top outbursts.
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I remember seeing one of NetBSD or FireflyBSD to experiment with microkernel some time ago. Im I making fake memories or anyone has info on that?
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>>66328147
NetBSD
http://rumpkernel.org/
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>>66327917
What a fucking shittery is this?
There is no way imp would have wrote it by himself, let alone acknowledge it without being forced by foundation after received bad PR.
Oh wait, he works at NetFlix.
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>>66327928
>le cuck license meme
Fuck off, Zhang.
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The 'code of conduct' is (literally) the textbook way that SJW faggots infect an organization. If you haven't already, its time to cut ties with this group.
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>>66327917
FreeBSD has a serious image problem.
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>>66327917
the only reason he didn't get punished is because theo is a white male
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>>66328128
>This type of slimy behavior is what is destroying the world
Here, here. And here's wishing n-fold more interpret it for exactly wat it is.
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stop using FreeBSD
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>>66328037
suck my dick white boy before I report you for a CoC violation
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>cuck os
*hug*
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>>66328147
Dragonfly BSD.
It's not a micro-kernel, but they (in fact, Matt Dillon) have entirely re-designed their kernel to do message-passing concurrency.
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>>66329088
also if theo was in a frilly dress while doing this talk, losh would totally have been exiled
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The good news is that the FreeBSD CuC committee, of which the abuser is a member, has investigated the incident and found no issue with it

https://pay.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/8qhm9n/disappointed_in_freebsd_coc/
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>>66329826
>investigated the incident and found no issue with it
>Aggressive language
>Profanity
Set of rules for us and a set of rules for you lot. Par for the course in our sjw riddled and class stratified society. Too bad there's no legal route to take. That little spergpussy will only grow bolder for his outburst going unpunished.
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That one time Theo trolled the FreeBSD cucks so hard they wanted to call the US Secret Service

https://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=84526+0+archive/1996/freebsd-hackers/19961020.freebsd-hackers
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Kek, the UNIX Unabomber, the Unixbomber
Theo de Chad, threatening to email bomb the NetBSD and FreeBSD cucks
https://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/1996/10/20/0004.html
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Fuck reebsd. I recently gave it a shot after abandoning it with the v5 travesty, I heard that 10 was good so I installed 11 and ran it for six months. Then some cucklord decided to purge hitler quotes from the fortune port so I abandoned it again, thankfully before the cuckCoC. Ree in peace reebsd.
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xdm/xenodm's theme is such garbage out of the box
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>>66331270
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>>66331324
You can spot Randy Harpie with her aposematic hair, and around which the other developers are gravitating
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>>66331270
>>66331324
just look at the bsdcan videos dude

everyone who doesn't use freebsd uses a thinkpad
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>>66331337
biggest gathering of macs
https://twitter.com/bsdcan
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OpenBSD is a meme
>Filesystem
default FS doesn't even support SSD TRIM, and OpenBSD doesn't support anything modern like ZFS or BTRFS.
In the CIA triad of Confidentiality, Integrity, and Availability, availability seems to be the one that's lacking. Who cares how hack-resistant your system is if the data you're protecting is corrupted?
That's not even getting into the volume management stuff that's missing, and the snapshots, and the everything.
"b-b-but MUH BACKUPS!!"
You do realize that if the filesystem is not secure and does not protect against bitrot and corruption, your precious backups are going to be fucked, because you'll be backing up corrupted data. Who even knows how far you'll have to roll back in order to get to a clean state?
>Security
"Only two remote holes in the default install!!!!!!!"
Yay!
I hope you realize that this literally only applies to a base system install with absolutely no packages added. In other words, not exactly representative or meaningful towards... anything really
>Sustainability
A few years ago, OpenBSD was actually in danger of shutting down because they couldn't keep the fucking lights on. How could anyone see this as a system they could rely on, when it could be in danger of ending at any time?
>Standards-compliance
"B-But OpenBSD is written in strictly standards-compliant C! Clearly that's better than muh GNU virus!"
So you're not allowed to create extensions to the standard? You should only implement the standard and nothing more? Keep in mind that this is nothing like EEE, as the GNU extensions are Free Software, with freely available source code, as opposed to proprietary shite. People should be allowed to innovate and improve things.
If you're gonna be anal about standards-compliance, then why let people make their own implementations anyway? Why not have the standards organizations make one C implementation and force everyone to use it?
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>>66331616

t. >>66328112
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>>66331625
>implying i'd ever use an OS that doesn't like hugs
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>>66331616
Works fine on all of my thinkpads.
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>>66331616

Don't use it then, cuck. :^)
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>>66327917
A Code of Conduct Committee person is exactly the type of person that would screech in such a way. Pathetic people, every last one.
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>>66331685
Its OK, he has got a mac.
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>>66327917
What a pussy, open source and onions, not even once.
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>>66331335
>aposematic hair
hehe
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>>66331254

It's default X on freebsd, and cool on OpenBSD.
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>>66327917
He violated the CoC and now he will get a CoC up the ass
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>>66329826
>Cuck community investigates and exonerates self
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>>66331270

>smug sjw faggot
>neckbeard
>receding ponytail
>core team
>unprofessional nickname email address
>doesn't eat dogfood
>undemocratically spends contributor funds on irrelevant CoC consultant
>undemocratically announces it to all

Literally everything wrong with freebsd. I'm in half a mind to fork it verbatim and call it reebsd, and the only differences being the fortunes mod port will have the Hitler quotes reinstated and you don't need to coc to commit.
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>>66327917
2nd sperg is down. What about the first one?
Does that person get a pass?
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After realizing they have no skills at programming, they have taken up a new hobby which requires full-time investment called social engineering and social wanking.
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You have to admit, Theo knows how to trigger those sperglords. His trolling is expert tier.
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At this point is anyone still running freebsd? For what reason?
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>>66332853
Everyone has moved to OpenBSD.
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>>66327928
fpbp
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>>66332932
explain how the bsd license violates any of those 4 freedoms

the various BSD licenses are even FSF-approved except for the very first one
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Anybody here have made ports? Can you tell me your experience?

How about working with the init scripts? I always wondered if someone have maintained the init scripts and took notes about his experience. It would be interesting to see.
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>>66332958
Tolerated != approved.
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>>66332853
Only freeBSD devs abd SJWs desu, most people that use BSD for desktop use it.out of ideology to begin with, servers are all open/net/dragonflyBSD, so every sane person that believes in the UNIX way, proper engineering and keeping things simple, probably left a while ago
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>>66332984
you didn't answer the first part

but yes thanks for agreeing that the FSF are leftist zealots
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>>66328586
>argue like women
>don't say what you mean
>adversarial pursuit of truth is bad
The code of conduct is just anti male bullshit.
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>>66333024

To be fair, if it wasn't for the momentum of Linux and GPL software, BSD would likely have whimpered out totally in the BSD wars. At a minimum, contrast with GPL led to the BSD clause requirements being removed.
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>>66331868
Explain yourself.
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>>66332976
bump
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>>66331616
>OpenBSD doesn't support anything modern like ZFS or BTRFS.
I read they are thinking about importing hammer from dragonflybsd.
>this literally only applies to a base system install with absolutely no packages added. In other words, not exactly representative or meaningful towards... anything really
Not meaningful for the average desktop user (the default install creates 9 partitions... that was the first thing that attracted me to OpenBSD)
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>>66332976
bump
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9front.org
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>>66332976
bump
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>>66332853
Nvidia drivers
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>>66332976
Ports like packages? I have. It's pretty easy on OpenBSD, once you get past the GNU autogarbage your port uses. Just have to fill out a few variables so OpenBSD knows to deal with it.
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>>66333933
Nvidia drivers are supplied with macOS.
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>>66333953
I prefer using Unix over proprietary garbage.
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>>66327928
/thread
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>>66333933

Fuck that non-free trash. It's just linux-compat wrapped anyway, and now that AMD free drivers are here that nvidiaids can go in the trash where it belongs.
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>>66333965
Unix was proprietary you fucking retard.
BSD isn't Unix, it's BSD. Oh and on top if that, unlike BSD, MacOS has an UNIX certificate.

Stop using terms you don't understand.
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>>66333403

Don't engage with that chap, but he's wrong. OpenBSD base has X11, CWM, build toolchain, documentation, games and a full suite of network services.
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can I run linux programs on bsd
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Is bsd actually a operating system? what it openbsd netbsd freebsd are these bsd distributions?
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>>66334517
>UNIX certificate.
>Stop using terms you don't understand.
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>>66334541
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification
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>>66334526
>can I run linux programs on bsd

Not the binaries. But many Linux apps are also available on the BSDs.

>>66334539
>Is bsd actually a operating system? what it openbsd netbsd freebsd are these bsd distributions?

They are not exactly distributions. They forked from the same source (the Berkeley Software Distribution) more than 20 years ago. Due to compatible license, they do share code and features on a case-by-case basis, but they are quite distinct operating systems with distinct features and philosophies.

You have OpenBSD that values security, good engineering, simplicity and works for desktop, servers and network devices

You have NetBSD that is more experimental, and focusing on being portable to many exotic architectures, but still usable

DragonFly BSD is even more experimental and aims at developing a sophisticated clustering operating system.

Finally you have FreeBSD, which is trying to be like Linux, Solaris and macOS, but completely failing at that. Use any of those directly, instead of an inferior copy.
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>>66334560
thank you
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>>66327917
Users massively uninstall FreeBSD.
Nobody knows why.
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>>66333403
>chrome dumping core
yep looks like openbsd alright :^)
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>>66333403
why sudo instead of doas?
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>>66334622
Why ten terminals instead of tmux
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>load a huge chunk of solaris into kernel
>lol look we ported zfs mayne
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>>66333403
With all the xterms you have open on every single virtual desktop, i'd honestly take the 2 minutes you need to learn how tmux works
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>>66334693
LoL
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http://www.openbsd.org/papers/pruning.html
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>>66334726
>keeping the games
Based
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>>66327917
>rest of the clip and better audio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E873DaCLN4
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>>66334622
not sure what doas is
>>66334629
was just reading about tmux earlier today, was thinking it sounded useful
>>66334696
hmmm

Protip: I switched from Windows to Lubuntu in early 2016
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>>66335000
you can man doas and it'll make sense. just a user changing program that follows rules in doas.conf (man that too) ie "permit persist keepenv :wheel" for every user in the wheel group to doas as whoever they want. very simple. you might consider it given the historical sudo vulnerabilities.
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>>66335000
well, tmux saves lives
For example, here's mine having 8 different stuff open
Not using openBSD on this laptop though
Doas is just what it says, do as. its more secure than sudo
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are you guys going to try trueOS when they fork freebsd?
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>>66335302
They already did
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>>66335000
doas is the OpenBSD equivalent of sudo, basically. But it's simpler and more secure.

tmux is a way to break your terminal into multiple "screens". It's also a way to save a session (very useful when you log into a server).

You just type: tmux

And you're in a tmux session.

Now you can do your shit, edit files, and so on. Type CTRL+B then D and your session is detached. You can actually log out of SSH, etc.

Next time you come back: just type "tmux at" and your session is attached again, and all your shit is still there the way you left it.

It's great when you have complex sessions open (debuggers, etc.)
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>>66335634
you can easily replicate an experience you might get using a ide by using a tool like entr with find for instance in a pane. it also persists your session as long as the server is live, making it attractive if x is liable to die/connected to servers.
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>>66329088
+1
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Can I become freeBSD developer if I'm successful cis white male with two children and a loving wife?
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>>66336648
That depends, are you prepared to:
- quit your job so your wife can become the bread winner
- dye your hair purple
- vocally support feminism on twitter and Hacker News
- put your children on HRT and switch their genders
If not, perhaps OpenBSD would be more to your taste.
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>>66327928
Daily reminder that only GNU can effectively steal BSD code.
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>>66336961
Who is the beauty in the picture?
But thanks, I'll take OpenBSD.
I am a Canadian.
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>>66336992
Devin Teske, one of the trannies behind the CoC. a/k/a FreeBSD Frau.
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alias sudo='doas'
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>>66336961

What this happened to FreeBSD?
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Reminder to avoid BSD licences.
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>>66332976
i've been meaning to update some of the outdated openbsd ones.

unfortunately i don't really have a dedicated -current machine right now.
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>>66334852
>gets rid of rogue
unforgivable
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>>66331042
>>66331108
>>66332677
is this the most exciting thing to have happened in BSD in the last 22 years?
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>cuck license
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>>66337865
And what else to go to? MIT?
The GPLs are shit, so BSDs are the only sane option remaining
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>>66334976
That fat guy should probably stop eating.
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>>66338418
What is wrong with MIT license? All my projects based on MIT and I see no reason to use another license.
You could use CC with explicit if you have a narrow use case.
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This thread is shit, is just a bunch of LARPers. Just what I expect from cucks worshiping a KEK license.
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>>66338673
Reported Code Of Conduct committee.
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>>66338673
>>66338415
>>66337865
you've got 2 mins to prove youre not a samefag
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>>66338776
I am not, but YOU probably are. Fucking fanatic, BSD is shit and you want everyone to eat your shit. You know what, FUCK YOU!
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>>66338776
k
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>>66338794
>44 posters discussing BSD
>at least 40 being positive about it over the last 24 hours or so
You're right, it is me
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>>66338807
Based
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>>66338811
Lies lies lies, nobody eat your lies and I am not the first to post your BSD is shit, fuck you.
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>>66338333
Theo is an asshole but he's the asshole we need. Godspeed you magnificent bastard.
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>>66338333
>>66338839
https://github.com/davidlind/taas/blob/master/insults.json
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Ah its amerimutts redditors time again. No point to report every single one of them to conduct@
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>>66338869
>"You probably rape children in your spare time, and here you are, yelling at us for violating your perceived entitlement."
based
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>>66338839
>>66338869
...i'll take that as a "yes"
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This fucker keeps claiming all who complain are the same anon, well fuck you, I tried to give you a serious discussion but you are nothing more than cancer. BSD is cancer, just like its community. Eat dicks.
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>>66338934
Why don't you just not interact with the community
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>>66338950
If they only would leave us alone with their stupidity.
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>>66338979
You entered the thread of your own volition, anon
Even if you're just curious, nobody is forcing you to post
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firecuck status: BTFO
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>>66339082
I'm just waiting for icecat or seamonkey to update because ESR 52 is fine for now
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and just like that cucks tried to change the subject
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>>66339137
like it or not, everyone that uses openBSD hates that fatass FSF/GPL shitstain
He hasn't been relevant for over 3 decades, get over it
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Tim Cook never conformally coated the freebsd team.
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>>66336648
>Can I become freeBSD developer if I'm successful cis white male with two children and a loving wife?
If you are prepared to assume the role of a villain and oppressor due to your sexual orientation and the pigment of your skin.

If you want to work on FreeBSD you need to agree to the CoC which means you have to agree to the concept of systemic oppression of minorities by white people, and bear the shame of that.
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>>66339137
>try to actually discuss things relevant to the thread
>hurr why do you change subject
the GoyPL people are true brainlets
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Could OpenBSD and DragonFly be any more based? FreeBSD (and Intel) cucks literally btfo AGAIN.

http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2018/06/13/7
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>>66339523
What about netbsd?
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>>66339532
I don't think toasters run Intel chips.
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>>66339523
mommy
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>>66338333
They could implement Solaris features too, but Linus was right about them.
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>>66339523
>C-x-C-c
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>>66327917
Will Warner Losh receive any punishment?
Or if this proves that CoC was nothing more than a tool to "justify" abolishing certain non inner circle individuals who are not under soros payroll?
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>>66339523

>SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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>>66341833

See

>>66331868
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>>66332433

Imp has taken the fall on the assumption that he is too important to be reprimanded, and covering up for the other sperglord. I guess you could say that >imp lying :^)
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>>66341938
Do you suspect cover up?
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What advantages does netbsd have over openbsd?
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>>66341972

Maybe, but I just wanted to make an >implying joke.
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>>66341972
Could be big if true.
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>>66331953
UNDERATED POST
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>>66341833
The guy is part of the CoC committee, so no.
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>>66342070
Faster, thats it
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>>66343987
Mods are "protecting/cleansing" r/FreeBSD/ reddit threads again.
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>>66334622
>why sudo instead of doas?
>>66335069
>you might consider it given the historical sudo vulnerabilities.
>>66335634
>But it's simpler and more secure.
See, this is why I'm using BSD not Linux. You look at Linux forums and there's sudo everywhere. You post a screenie on a BSD thread on 4chan and three guys tell you to not use sudo it's insecure. I fucking love you guys.
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>>66344771

Sudo was in openbsd base for a long time and they did a lot of cleanup on it, and after all that they decided to 86 it for doas. Always trust openbsd.
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>>66344694
FreeBSD and reddit go together like cancer and AIDS.
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Solaris fag is picking a fight with /ourguy/ Theo

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=152894815409098

This was the thread were he made his accusations

https://lobste.rs/s/zwkuza/intel_cpus_might_leak_information_about
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>I think that's everything I need to say about this vulnerability right now. Happy to answer questions, but I'm not part of the FreeBSD security team and don't have any inside knowledge here -- FreeBSD takes embargoes seriously and they didn't share anything with me. </thread>
so wait was theo actually right?
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This is the Solaris fag.
100% toxic SJW

https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun

I can't wait until Russia invades California and puts all those degenerates to work in coal mines.
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>>66344950
Theo was right. Colin implemented an exploit in a few hours, and then mailed various people including Intel explaining that writing an exploit was easy, and the disclosure should be made sooner.

The group of insiders who use advanced notification of the monthly Intel critical bugs as competitive advantage are seething.
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>>66344968
so freebsd was actually embargo'd?
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>>66344972
Yes that's the point Theo made during that BSDcan presentation. The FreeBSD foundation has signed an NDA with Intel.
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>>66344994
then why were they so adamant about the foundation and devs being completely separate entities? was it just posturing?
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More shots fired by Theo:
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=152895192209700

He's saying there are other vulnerabilities looking.
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>>66332932
Is this loss?
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>cuck license
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Theo warned everyone TEN YEARS AGO:

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631

> These processors are buggy as hell, and some of these bugs don't just cause development/debugging problems, but will *ASSUREDLY* be exploitable from userland code.
> Intel understates the impact of these erraata very significantly. Almost all operating systems will run into these bugs.
> As I said before, hiding in this list are 20-30 bugs that cannot be worked around by operating systems, and will be potentially exploitable. I would bet a lot of money that at least 2-3 of them are.
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>>66345136

Theo is always right.
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>>66345004

Of course there is, cucktel is trash and they deserve to go out of business.
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>>66344771

Sudo is secure, but way too complex and open to subtle misconfiguration. Also #include, those who know, know.
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FreeBSD fags reminds me speedrunners in gaming. I bet many of them do speedruns of super mario bros and suck nintendo's onions dick.
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>>66345429
You need to have a skill to do speedruns.
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>>66337332
M A D L A D
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>>66327917
freeBSD cucks BTFO
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>>66345000
I have no clue
If there's anything to gain from this, it's that Theo was right for the n-th time
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>>66344957
God damn it, I loved Cantrill because of his Solaris involvement and particularly his USENIX talk about Oracle's acquisition of Sun. But fuck this guy for calling out Daddy Theo.
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>>66344927
Amazing. People who sign NDAs are terrible people. Intellectual property is a paradigm that leads to insecure systems. Everything should be public domain.
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>>66346958
A system that actually works is better than a system that's fast.
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>>66346964
Are you delusional enough to claim that Linux "doesn't work"?
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>>66346958
>Moronix
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>>66347015
Nice refutal.
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>>66347031
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>>66346978
Does Linux come with https://man.openbsd.org/ed or https://man.openbsd.org/apply ?
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>>66347108
Depends on the disto in question, but I suppose most have ed and xargs in the base system. What it has to do with "work" tho?
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>>66347108

Hmm interesting I've been using Unix since 94 and been a heavy BSD user since 98, working with Unix professionally since then and I've never seen that apply command. I see it's from BSD4.2 so it must have been on those old SunOS boxes, could have saved some keystrokes on the old for foo in bar ;do...

Gotta love Unix.
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>>66333403
>I read they are thinking about importing hammer from dragonflybsd.
That's interesting. If they do, I shall try BSD again.
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>>66347108
Most distros don't come with ed. Most likely it'll come with vi or nano and if it is vi it's just vi symlinked to vim
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>>66347653

Ed comes with Ubuntu.
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Did imp break NDA with that hissy pissy shitfit?
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>>66348019
Yes
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>>66347769
It does? Just regular ubuntu? What about lubuntu, xubuntu, or kubuntu? What about debian or fedora? Because I know the more minimalist distros come with either vi or nano for sure.
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>>66348247
I know for a fact that Debian does not come with ed. I found this out when a portable shell script wasn't portable to Debian.
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>>66348399
OpenBSD ed has some cool features GNU ed comes with like custom prompt without the GNU bloat
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Emacsfags, what do you guys think of mg compared to GNU emacs?
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>>66327917
Daily reminder that cuckBSD developers can not be trusted with secrets.
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>>66349132
it's actually a pretty neat editor. i wish it highlighted selected regions, though.

openbsd technically comes with a file manager because of it too since it has a clone of dired included.
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>>66350159
Daily reminder than only crony capitalists make things secret in the first place.
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>>66350212
>openbsd technically comes with a file manager because of it too since it has a clone of dired included.
Why would I need a file manager when my terminal already does all the copying, rename, file opening, and moving I want?
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>>66347214
I went back to sunos 4.1 manpages and there was no apply(1).
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>>66351412
You probably meant to write crony Marxists. With strong flavor of disregard for family values and tradition.
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>>66352226
who knows

it's an option at least
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>>66346940
Joyent have consumers, Theo can just shit around and reverse engineer linux code with fellow autists.
>>66344957
>I can't wait until Russia invades California
Yeah, Russia isn't full of degenerates.
>>66345136
Unrelated though.
>>66349109
The lack of caching is a killer feature. :^)
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>>66348019
Someone clearly leaked the details under embargo.
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>>66353647
What details?
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>>66352336

Interesting that SunOS version was based on BSD4.3. Maybe it wasn't canonical, or redundant in light of xargs. Anyway nice to learn a little.
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>>66354656
Indeed
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>>66354656
>>66355856
yeah, I'm a real old fag like you and I used to dialup to my ISP with tip(1) and that is no longer available on Debian. They still have cu(1) in the UUCP package though, so that is the alternative.
Man the days of initially configuring cisco switches with a Sun workstation a serial cable and tip(1).
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Leakers will be punished.
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>>66357471
get a load of this faggot
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>>66357471
fuck off cantrill
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>>66348247
Fedora comes with ed installed
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I give cantrill the benefit of the doubt when he says he advocates for the OpenBSD project, All he said was theos behavior makes it tough for him to advocate Openbsd to intel disclosures.
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>>66337865
>reminder: We don't want to steal your code, surrender it to us already.
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Is there any reason to not just use dragonfly?
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>>66331207
>purge hitler quotes from the fortune port
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>>66357719

Fuck off the dickhead straight up accused Theo of breaking embargo 2nd hand. The point is if Theo and other outsiders can deduce these flaws, attackers certainly can. In fact it's way more likely that black hats use NDA infiltration than good faith actors like Theo.

The fallout from this is that Intel products are shit and these embargos protect Intel and bug players at the expense of the general public.
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>>66357756
Matt Dillon needs to join forces with OpenBSD instead. His talent is wasted on an OS used by like 4 people.
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>>66332110
I'd use it
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>>66344957
Fuck.
This.
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>>66359327
You can't have two Betta fishes in the same bowl.
Besides, they have completely different priorities. Theo wants a secure, "old school UNIX" operating system. Matt wants a research, clustering OS.

The good thing about BSDs is that they can copy code from each other due to similar license.
I think the OpenBSD guys are interested in the HAMMER2 file system.
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>>66344771
On the topic of replacement tools, some people do not know that ftp(1) actually supports HTTP(S).

So you don't actually need curl or wget. Just use ftp(1) that's part of the base system. Curl / wget might be needed if you want to do advanced stuff, like specifying HTTP headers and the like. But otherwise ftp(1) is fine.

In fact it's even better than curl since it knows to write the file (so you don't have to specify --output).

$ ftp https://something/somefile.ext

Will simply download and save it as 'somefile.ext'
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>>66357717
Slackware also comes with ed along with vim, emacs, joe, and elvis.
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>>66360032

>bloat
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>>66352338
>Intel is Marxist
>Microsoft is Marxist
Nice try, Cohen-sama.
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>>66327917
Why would I ever use this garbage?
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>>66327917
So loud males feminists are rapists and cheat on their wives and loud CoC-monglers are rude disrespectful hecklers and dox people? It makes a kind of sense.
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>>66329821
>if theo was in a frilly dress while doing this talk
Next time Theo should dress like a magical girl for the lulz. He already uses Comic Sans for similar purposes.
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>>66335083
get a theme holy shit
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>>66331207
>reebsd
>reeeeeeebsd
This nickname has potential.
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>>66332110
>unprofessional nickname email address
Where?
>undemocratically
Democracy is not a good thing and not a substitute for competent project management. The problem isn't that their decisions are undemocractic (good projects often have to make unpopular decisions, because the masses can be retarded), but that they're frivolous and motivated by status seeking and leftist politics. The word you're looking for is "embezzlement".
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>>66333403
>I read they are thinking about importing hammer from dragonflybsd.
Source? It would be cool for them to go from lagging behind on file systems to the cutting edge, but I have a hard time believing it.
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>>66331616
look mom I posted it again
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>>66335634
https://github.com/multiplexd/doas
https://github.com/slicer69/doas
Linux ports
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>>66360566
I bet openbsd is into some kinky shit
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>>66360566
Matt Dillon, DragonFly BSD project leader, has that picture on his webpage

http://backplane.com/
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>>66360566
Look at that male on the left that identifies as woman
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>>66359574
>The good thing about BSDs is that they can copy code from each other due to similar license.
Good luck porting pledge and hummer between the two. BTW both are research OS at this point.
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>>66342070
It trivial to cross-compile.
http://rumpkernel.org/
Basically, it's great for doing kernel-level experiments and R&D shit.
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If there was actual hardware compatibility like on Linux ( and at least TLP for software), it be all over dragonfly.
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Only downside to openbsd is that wine will never work on it
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>>66345332
>way too complex and open to subtle misconfiguration
This.
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>>66359724
Nice.
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>>66331207
So it was a """technical""" decision. I doubt they miss a leech like you.
>>66360617
Then i wonder why next to nobody use that (almost perfect) OS.

How many of you would give Theo a nice blowjob? :^)
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>>66352226
Orthodox file managers are faster if you want to manipulate N out of M files without a common filename pattern. Try mc or Double Commander.
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>>66360617
That's an upside.
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>>66360566
>netbsdesu
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>>66344957
>>66346242
>>66352856
>>66359449
Reminder that is the fag responsible for this: http://www.osnews.com/story/28261/_Have_you_ever_kissed_a_girl_
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>>66360566
Lmao at the toaster with netBSD
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>>66360617
It's not a bug, it's a feature
(Literally)
I couldn't imagine trying to securely port wine ANYWHERE
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I only have myself to blame for buying Nvidia.
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>>66360652
god i love the obvious freebsd butthurt in this thread
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>>66361106
Same. Never again.
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>>66360652

Py quotes? Lol what a """tryhard""" /*faggot*/
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>>66360652
(you)
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>>66361006
>i've never seen SNL
context is everything.
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>>66327917
>Warner Losh
He’s a Jew.
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>>66332853
ZFS but NetBSD has it now. FreeBSD will only be for video games in the future.
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>>66332932
Sounds like some communist shit to me
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>>66363640
Pretty much this
Calling it freedom doesnt stop making it a restriction
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>>66354163
There’s a new critical Intel CPU flaw.
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>>66363640
Are there any Soviet or North Korean free software? Even their Linux distro is binary only. The BSD license also work this way if it's not the patent trap version.
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>>66363638
NetBSD has kept their games.
ReeeBSD will soon be used by SJWs only.
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Free *hugs*
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>>66327917
(((They))) have ruined FreeBSD!!!
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>>66360566

reebsd should be a fat chick with bright pink hair.
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>>66361862

100
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>>66367909
No need to ruin art from a better time.
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>>66327917

It wasn't just him, more than one reebsd aspie screeched during that.
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>>66367909
No
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>>66368270
Who else?
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Disable HT
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=152910536208954&w=2
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>>66370425

FreeBSD core are ABSOLUTELY CANCEROUS FAGGOTS.
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>>66370425
>theo de raadt uses meme in a post ironic sense
Is he /our guy/?
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>>66370720
>Is he /our guy/?
Doubt it. He actually contributes to society.
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>>66370835
He hates burgers, so he can be an /int/ meme too.
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>>66370864
Nobody on this site contributes to society. This is where minds go to die. Our only trace in this world is a short lived thread before we kill ourselves.
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>>66370720
Yes, Theo fights the establishment.
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>>66371041
>Nobody on this site contributes to society
I imagine at least some people here have gotten multiple diffs committed into useful projects. I have.
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>>66371212
Poettering will replace whatever diff you had within something huge and monolithic.
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>>66327917
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=152909822107104&w=2

>NOT AGAIN INTEL NO PLEASE (disable intel hyper threading?)
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=152910536208954&w=2
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>>66370720
Using memes "ironically" is highly normalfag to do
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>>66327917
Never forget.
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OpenBSD fags clearly have too much free time.
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>>66373480
stay salty FreeBSD cuck.
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>>66373480
i mean have they ever kissed a girl??
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>>66373507
Come back when you grow up.
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>>66373583
don't tempt anyone here to hug you lmao
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The absolute state of cuckbsd.
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>>66359724
But how is it better than wget?
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>>66374030
You can still install wget if you need it: I think that poster is simply saying something similar already exists in the base of OpenBSD. Pretty useful.
The equivalent on FreeBSD is fetch.
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>>66374030
you don't need to install it
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>>66374030
It's different. Wget is for mirrowing websites. It can follow links and fetch a whole (static) site.
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OpenBSD posters, can you please answer these
- What is the state of VM's on OpenBSD, as I understand there is a built-in 'Jails' 'sort-of' VM - but how would one run a Windows (as bad as it might be) VM on OpenBSD?
- What is the state of pci-e passthrough on the above
- Is there a timeline for TRIM support?
- Are there any gotchas I should know about coming from Linux?

Thanks guys.
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>>66374050
>>66374051
>>66374052
fair enough.
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>>66374053
Refer to latest presentations on vmm/vmd.
https://www.openbsd.org/events.html
The other stuff is ofc also interesting.
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>>66374067
Cheers.
Looks like it might be a little while until I can move, at least on this machine.
I've a few machines here though that could be moved on a far more expedient timetable though.
HAMMER especially sounds interesting.
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>>66374053
>state of vms
there's vmd, which you can use to run a few things, from a usability perspective whatever can be installed/used using serial (mostly alpine). there's always been qemu which you can use to run windows but don't expect it to do you any performance favors.
>pci-e passthrough
not sure.
>trim support
according to some other posters they're eyeing dragonfly bsd's code (which afaik includes trim), no timeline. a developer began to add it but found it too complicated to implement with certainty so it's been tabled.
>gotchas
lack of acls, pledge in everything, lack of hardware acceleration for a few graphics card makes, a documentation format you not be used to (all in manpages instead of wikis), there are more but those are a few things off the top of my head, some frustrations with the stable branch if you use chromium, some frustrations with languages including ocaml where you run the risk of blowing out the stack on everything without configuring login.conf to extend the size, without being familiar with things like w^x you might not enjoy the partitioning system, etc. good luck!
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>>66374110
>HAMMER especially sounds interesting.
That's dragonfly, not openbsd.
OpenBSD seems interested in HAMMER, but that doesn't mean they'll adopt it or that it'll be soon.
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freeBSD deprecated
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*hugs* whole thread
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>>66327917
FreeBSD is finished.
How will cuckBSD ever recover?
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>>66377324
Core elections are overdue. Should be interesting to see what happens there.
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>>66373583
*hugs*
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>>66378858
Nothing will happen.
2/3 will be "democratically" reelected,
1/3 will be hand picked by Intel to sabotage ARM and POWER development.
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>>66378858

Spam commits for reinstating hitler quotes to fortunes-mod, become committer and run.
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>>66371250
Nah.




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