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Who’s Your Favorite Main Taimanin Yukikaze Girl?
>{Show Picture Example, Limited To Only Characters Who Debuted/Resides In Taimanin Yukikaze Titles, Can Be For Any Reason: Sex Or Plot}

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>>7581002
Mine: if I was asked this years ago, it would’ve been a no thought Rinko answer. But I’ve really come to appreciate Yukikaze’s huge ass and Shiranui’s mommy milker energy. Despite this appreciation my answer is still Rinko because she checks all the boxes I care for. She’s reminds me a lot about Asagi, which is a big plus for me. She’s like a ‘what if Asagi was submissive’ character which is pretty hot.

>>7580993
Maika game when?

>>7581002
i am a die hard chocolate lover. but yuki being loli and having a voice that grates my ears puts her well behind her mom. other plus points for me are her naginata weapon + water powers, and the fact that she is supposedly just as strong as asagi. so she's not just wholesome caring doting mommy (gone wrong), but an actual badass at the same time in the vein of TA3 asagi's appeal.

that said, the oyakodon scene in ty1 (iirc) is one of my favorite scenes in any game, but the missed opportunity of the two not being a cg together while the other is getting fucked is an unforgivable crime.

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>>7581122
Yuki isn’t a loli, she’s just absolutely flat and short in comparison to everyone else(155cm isn’t that far off from the average Japanese lady anyway)

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>>7581002
Rinko, her design simply clicks the right buttons for me: very long hair, big tits, slim waist, big butt, and the contrast between her serious warrior side and the cute girly side is the cherry on top.

>>7581244
Same

>>7581244
Why her ass is so damn fat?

>>7581271
Some women are built that way

>>7581142
isn't she like 14 in ty1?

>>7581002
Shiziuru. Megane with S tendencies, I always wished they'd have that blow up in the antagonist's faces in a sex comedy way

>>7581244
>and the contrast between her serious warrior side and the cute girly side
Anon, that's called "gap moe".

>>7581294
18 apparently, in RPGX she’s still growing but she’ll always remain flat

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>>7581002
Rinko. Erokawaii. Beautiful ponytail with massive melons and obscenely fat ass. Acts like an older sister but definitely wants to be submissive and doted on.
Prone bone her while spanking and choking her then hug her all night long.

>>7581002
YU
KI
KA
ZE
!!!

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I found this weirdly arousing.

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>>7581490
Sakura is just my favourite Taimanin.

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>>7581002
>Your Favorite Main Taimanin Yukikaze Girl?
Tatsurou

>>7581002
Shiranui, gotta love my unapologetic MILF slut. Which is a shame that all her scenes are pretty vanilla. There's barely anything that shows how deep into depravity she's fallen into.

>>7581705
I want to see her happily fuck monsters and beasts on stage

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>>7581002
I miss the way Shizuru used to look in TY2.

In your humble opinion, which timeline is the best?

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Can someone tell me where this image is specifically from?
I don't remember that Yukikaze sprite being used in the main TY games.

>>7582016
It's fan made

>>7581971
VN timeline is the best in my opinion because you get to see how badass each girl really is.
While in gacha shit everyone is a autistic retard.

>>7581971
I’d say RPGX with action coming close second, TA3 ends on an uncertain note with Nomad’s collapse starting a power gap with other criminal organizations and Gosha village being unstable by the end with a large amount of trainees dead from the raid

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>>7581002
I love Shizuru's design, fucking love it. But tbqh that degenerate cum dump mommy Shiranui turns me on the most. The fact that her tits are so ridiculously huge only makes it better.

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Any Ingrid news?

>>7582131
Not sure if you've heard but... Ingrid loves Orc cocks!

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>>7582133
Based. What about demon horses?

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>>7582136
Shes not as crazy about them as much as demon dog cock.

>>7582176
>>7582133
Honestly why have we no villain who simply sends hords of orcs, beasts and other demonic creatures against the Taimanin.

>>7582131
She's most likely getting a scene with Rina on the 25th. Probably drawn by Asahi.

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>>7582251
Because they would get slaughtered in zero seconds...

Any chapter 62 news?

>>7582346
>>7580997

>>7582317
I have the suspicion that you do not understand the meaning of hords.
The point of a hord is not to have a one on one beatdown or to consist out of the strongest fighters but to drag out a fight or achieve strategic objectives for a prolonged amount of time.
(Strategic objectives like: take hostages, destroy X, scout out target Y, Plant bomb at Z, get blueprints of weapon A, capture point B, conduct magic Ritual C, ... )
Add to it that you can easaly add a few strong fighters to a hord to counter the Taimanin.
Add add to it that not all fights have to take place in the Normal World but can also happen in the Demon World.

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>>7582397
I believe I'm aware, and I'm telling you they would get wiped out in no time at all. If the scenario was a significant number of monsters vs one Taimanin, then it gets much more tricky. But you specifically said sending them to "the Taimanin" which would mean Gosha. Are you aware how powerful the Taimanin are? Especially against common foes? Asagi alone can kill a significant magnitude of enemies before the blink of an eye with literally no effort exhausted. Add every other busted Taimanin like Murasaki, Sakura, Rinko etc etc and it becomes an absolute slaughter. Different Taimanin can tackle different fronts as well.

>>7582397
taimanin musou when

>>7582358
Usually they leave out a short synopsis with little drawings on taimaTV as a “sneak peak”

>>7582497
The Taimanin TV for that isn't out for another 12hrs.

>>7582453
I see your point but maybe you should read the entire comment.
A hord can conduct multiple purposes at once.
At first Gosha will probably never get attacked head on. Secondly can Asagi never be at multiple places at the same time. And thirdly not every Taimanin is as strong a Asagi.
So while a group of orcs can distract Asagi (by dieing) another groups of orcs can capture weaker Taimanin and subsequently blackmail Asagi and the Taimanin (i.e. we release 20 captured Taimanin in exchange for Asagi).

>>7582516
I ensure you the entire comment was read, just challenge the points you want as you've had. Taimanin also have multiple skills to fight multiple fronts. That's why I said "Different Taimanin can tackle different fronts as well." If the stage is Gosha then Asagi can be at multiple places in barely anytime at all. She can move fast enough to freeze time, kill, then move to another area in no time at all. Yes while Asagi is the strongest Taimanin there are still a shit ton of Taimanin that can kill monsters with little to no effort. If Asagi is at an 11 the average Taimanin is at an 8. And the common beast compared to a Taimanin is at an 1, 2 max.

>another groups of orcs can capture weaker Taimanin and subsequently blackmail Asagi and the Taimanin (i.e. we release 20 captured Taimanin in exchange for Asagi).
Ignoring even weaker Taimanin would kill monsters fairly easily. This simply would not work. The only reason blackmail works in the VNs is because Asagi has already been captured and given some sort of limiter to force her to make a ultimatum choice. In real combat Asagi would kill everyone holding hostages before they could even react.

There's a reason why Orcs and Beast are terrified of the Taimanin and the only ones who can make any kind of move on them is the Government (and only after very careful planning and manipulation) and Black, and still even Black laid out a plan to do so. Gosha is essentially a military compound full of supernatural superhumans. If it was that easy to attack it would've happened already.

>>7582131
>>7582136
i want to impregnate ingrid

>>7580993
god I love Maika
a shame she gets a criminally low amount of fanart and criminally low amount of scenes

>>7582577
Guess what, you’re taking responsibility

Is the game any good? I loved Millennium War Aigis on Nutaku but never found anything else I liked when they got rid of it.

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Seems Gosha gacha's happening 2 days earlier than usual.
They're also finally updating blooming or w/e you want to call it.

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>>7582662
She got a new Doujin not long ago

>>7583012
Wonder if that means stream tomorrow then, as I recall they usually show off the gosha units and their skills about 2 days in advance.

>>7583037
Happening 22nd @ 7pm Japan time.

>>7582251
Because the worst thing you can possibly do if you're trying to rape a taimanin is send hordes of mooks directly at them, that's the one thing they're actually really great at dealing with.

>>7583156
Sometimes I have the feeling that some people do not wnat to understand what other people say only to continue to live in their own fantasy world.
First Taimanin are strong but not unbeatable nor do the majority of them not have a "get out of being dead free card" like Murasaki.
Taimanin can get killed, damaged, druged, knocked out, starve or get exausted and many more.
And we know that it happens.
Now the question comes how? By the monsters and demons they are fighting some of them strong other less so but what many of you seem to forget is that many of them use not strengh but trickery and magic often successfull.
So if a few monsters can stress out the Taimanin many more will be a much more problem.
If you know complain that many monsters would not have a chance why would any villain would evan bring a few monsters? In the end they would only ever be balast.
Speaking of the Villains when was the last time any quote "Strong Villain" successfull at beating, killing or capturing any Taimanin (in RPGX).
Oh wait I know It was the Hexabeast. If you ignore the flashback and offscrean defeats who are only ever told but never shown.
And yes attacking Gosha with only a hord is stupid but guess what when was the last time a "strong villains" attacked the entire gosha village? Oh wait I know it again it never happened. The best they ever manage is to do is infiltrate Gosha Village. So way talk about a successchances of a hypothetical scenario that never happened evan once?
As reminder your personal fantasy of fights in which 1000 duds (a horde) run in one clump at one person and then get sliced appart with one cut is stupid and childlike.
In such a fight you can expect that nobody clups up. 10 of the strongest (who do not get down with one cut) are on the frontline and switch out when necessarely while the weaker encircle the taimanin in a save distance and throw magic and projectiles from all sides or set up traps.

No new chapter this week?

>>7583261
tomorrow

>>7583270
How come I haven’t seen anything

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I want a witch gf...
7581002
None but for the franchise: Asagi always gets me, there's just something about her that always gets me hard and she's really pretty too.

>>7583278
Questioning again, how come I haven’t seen anything yet? Usually they put out a little sneak peak or something. If they’re really keeping chapter 62 this secretive then that means something pretty significant happens in this chapter not unlike chapter 41 with the battle of gosha or chapter 51 with fulst’s last stand.

>>7583278
>>7583342
They announced Gosha is starting on the 23 and we are getting a newscast on the 22. Good chance we know the Gosha units for certain later tonight.

>>7583204
It seems you’re going to believe what you want despite the obvious counters to each point, so best to leave it there.

>>7583204
That is because mooks are mooks, they are inferior, part of the nature and appeal of Taimanin getting orc'd is that they could act as a one woman genocide towards them in most circumstances

>>7582048
So, it is just an artwork or a mod/fan game? That got me curious, have anyone make a mod or fan game of Taimanin?

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So, what are the real chances of Lilith doing TY3? Is it possible? Or we're stuck with TABA forever?

>>7583573
Low, technically, TABA ended 5 years ago.
This shit honestly needs to be in the OP with how much it's asked. No the sasayama tweet from 4 fucking years ago is not relevant at this point. He writes for RPGx and has been very vocal about what scenes he does and doesn't do on RPGx.

Even if they do announce TY3 it'll still be in Aoi's fucked up new art style.

>>7583701
......................... ohgod.. I never thought of that..

>>7583701
This >>7578866 looks ok though

>>7583614
I really hate how Lilith became a bunch of sellouts now.

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>>7583722
Compare it to the art it's referencing, I'd say the original looks better

>>7583774
You would be fucking wrong then.

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>>7583776
Gotta agree, that anniversary version is better. Not to say TY1 art is bad, but there's definitely a happy middle ground somewhere between 1 and 2.

>>7583774
TY1 art was shit.

>>7583774
I agree. I just meant it looked less fucked up than usual.

>>7583782
puffy vulva

Do we know everything we're getting in the update?

>>7583493
It's just a mock-up. The Shiranui art is official.

>>7584040
They are a duo card/scene?

>>7584040
Any new units/scenes in this update?

>>7584042
It's just story mode bait for now, Rinko is going to america due to a call from mirabell in the upcoming chapter. We'll get real information on the update in like 6 hours or so.

>>7584042
Seems like they are a duo unit, perhaps the two get transported to the dark future at some point and meet their counterparts over there.

>>7584094
American adventures are not that rare in Taimaninverse, the real information given is the fact mirabell is making a story appearance so it's very likely we get a new unit for her soon. In terms of the H scene given there's a higher chance of it not being related to the story at all than it is. All things considered Yukikaze and Rinko have not been terribly relevant as a duo and Yukikaze isn't even mentioned in chapter 62.
>CHAPTER62:「紅き血の秘録」
ストーリー:対魔忍随一の剣士・秋山凜子は、米連陸軍のミラベルからの要請で米連へと赴くことに。
米連陸軍に対魔忍への理解を深めてもらうことが目的だが、凜子にはもうひとつ訪ねたい場所があって――。

>>7584084
>>7584098
I reckon they will do something like a simulation or a dream or something for their scene, Lilith are bitched up and will probably want to keep Yuki as a Fuuma girl whereas Rinko is barely connected with him

>>7584040
Is this really drawn by Aoi Nagisa? The body proportions are the least exaggerated.

>>7584109
Have you looked at any Rinko drawing after TY1

>>7584109
It's 1:1 with how his faces look these days what are you talking about?

>>7584109
He based it on art he did before >>7583774 so he couldn't fuck the anatomy up too bad without realizing how odd would look

>>7584111
>>7584112
Compare Aoi's current art than the ones several years ago. There's a difference in anatomy.

>>7584132
>wonder if this is actually by Aoi
>mention how faces are 1:1 with current style
>brings up anatomy
It's like I'm really talking to AI. Kidding or not you're a fucking retard to still not be able to recognize his art style instantly.

>>7584140
You know, I really did not need to be insulted, so calm down.

>>7583774
Rinko's ass is sinking into her body in this splash art.

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New Asagi soon.

>>7584205
Fucking finally, there has been a content drought for all the poster girls

>>7584205
3 gosha units (2 duos)

>>7584205

I'm hoping Tommy gun Felly will be good.

>>7584301
Which ones are the duos

>>7584437
should be Rinko&Yukikaze, Asagi solo and Felicia&Lina (or Astaroth&Ingrid)

>>7584441
Felicia should be a solo unit iirc, they hate each other

>>7584437
>>7584441
>>7584445
It's literally in the update post.

Ingrid + Rina (Green)
Yukikaze + Rinko (Blue)
Felicia (Blue)

Yukikaze won't be voiced because Himuro Yuri was in hospital. Her voice will be added later.

>>7583774
Aoi Nagisa got worse over time

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HTML RPGX Viewer Story Patch
https://mega.nz/file/Bh9UiJZK#Fuq5etk9g0aLhXcORKXduEHSpG2-mexFHFe-_HvrHDo
Added Chapter 062

The 5 new story CGs I mentioned last time are for previous chapters but don't seem to have been implemented in the scripts yet.

Let me know if I've fucked anything up.

>>7584132
>>7584477
Sometimes he has decent output. Rarely. It's just his stock Taimanin characters that got completely massacred (Shiranui is a blob monster, Rinko a stick figure with bolt-ons, Yukikaze depends on the day but most of her content is boring vanilla and Future!Yukikaze has awful proportions). This >>7584536 doesn't inspire much hope, this >>7584040 is merely copying his older, less deformed style.

>>7584475
In the hospital?

>>7584094
why are americans like this?

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>>7584593
https://twitter.com/PinokoNe/status/1693909129180721392

>>7584646
Doesn’t sound life threatening but at least she’s fine

Quiet anniversary isn’t it?

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>>7581002

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>>7580993

>for some reason my pages 49-52 are empty....

>>7585069
Has it been a while since you've installed a patch?

>>7585065
>My headcanon is that Rinko secretly cosplays as a magical girl during her free time as a hobby.

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Any Lilim enjoyers around? I can't help but like succubi who bite off more than they can chew.

>>7585078

the last patch I installed was the summer rinko patch and the latest story patch

>>7585120
>Two artist in a same unit
Is this the first time it happened? I wonder if they'll even share a scene or if is going to be 1 for each.

>>7582126
based

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>>7584205
Been way too long for new Asagi, glad its teacher/principal version. Praying that her scene is a horde of students and/or monsters gangraping and filling her to the brim with jizz.

Gosha doesn't replace the update coming on the 30th, right?

Probably not the right thread, but searching the archives had previous similar questions posted in the Taimanin thread and this one also has the TABA viewer links posted so I figured I'd give it a shot.

I'm looking for just a few cgs (character stands) from Beat Wars Escalation Heroines. Sad panda only has cg scenes, I think it'd be a "viewer extraction from game data" thing but I'm not sure, either way I don't have the game data either because eng server were shutdown and dunno how to navigate JP.
Did anything ever get figured out in the past year on this front? I saw some anons were working on something via the archive but idk if anything ever came from it.

>>7585146
First time in rpgx. Not sure if there were double artist units in TABA.

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Ingrid & Rina
LS: Whole team medium [15%] ATK buff, at the end of the turn recover a small amount [15] of SP with green units recovering a small amount [15?] more.
S1: Apply 1 stack of hellfire to all enemies, restore teams HP by a medium amount [20-35%]
S2: Whole team SPD medium [30-40%] up (the more green units the stronger the buff), Attack a single enemy with damage that scales to own speed and apply 1 stack of hellfire
Ougi: Whole team ATK big [60%] up with green units getting a bigger [80%?] buff, restore effects medium [30-40%] up, attack random enemies with 10 attacks that deal a small amount of damage. For 2 turns after this any attacks with skills by any team mate have a super high [70-90%] chance to burn the target

Yukikaze & Rinko
LS: Blue units SP requirement big [10%] down, Crit rate extra-big [30%] up, Crit damage big [20%] up
S1: Attack 1 enemy with medium damage (big at SL2+), all blue units get a permananet tiny [10%] max SP buff
S2: Use all SP, for 2 turns all blue units crit rate extra-big [30-35%] up and at the end of a turn attack random enemies 5 times with damage that scales to the SP used with a medium [30-40%] chance to paralyse and all units recover 20% SP
Ougi: Remove all buffs from an enemy, blue units ATK and DEF extra-big [80%] up, big [50] SP regen (to all units?) for 3 turns

Felicia
LS: Whole team SPD big [20%?] up, Player Rank XP gain big [25%] up.
S1: Attack random enemies up to 5 times dealing a small amount of damage and a medium [30-40%] chance to apply darkness
S2: Attack 1 enemy ignoring their defence dealing damage that scales to own SPD, inflicts a 5 turn 10% bleed
Ougi: Attack all enemies dealing medium damage (big at SL3+) with a medium [30-40%?] chance to insta-kill with an increased rate scaling with own SPD. For each insta-kill restore own HP by a big [70-100] amount. (Insta-kill only works on trash mobs)

Challenge Quest
15 gems for beating Very Hard, 10 gems and a title for beating Makai.

20 Gems:
5thcreampuff

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Goth Loli Azusa, Race Queen Rin and Future Mai coming soon.

>>7585742
Is this from some video?

>>7585746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ft_tsnMq1Y

>>7585747
Thanks, also apparently a certain somebody is still alive in chapter 62, at least one or two characters are gonna be surprised by this

>>7585751
Actually scratch that, I have no idea what’s going on in chapter 62 since it could be a flashback?

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>>7585751
>apparently a certain somebody is still alive in chapter 62
I knew my nigga Gisuke would make it

>>7585757
No no it was really rinko and yukikaze reliving on what exactly happened with kurenei and Felicia’s mother, Edwin black is there but he didn’t kill here it was the corpse lord and some other girl that showed up

For anyone that's thinking of starting RPGX
https://games.dmm.com/special-cp/taimaninrpg5th/
Free SR ticket and 2000 DMM points for clearing chapter 61 on medium before the end of October 5th. Rewards will be given out later October, middle of November.
You can just get carried through it all with a decent support unit.
Just press the big yellow button to take you to the real big yellow button you press to enter.
Start within the next hour and get an extra free 11 roll.

>>7585642
Fuckin hell, like card games before them, these skill descriptions are turning into novels. I'm gonna need reading glasses and a cup of morning coffee to stimulate the bowels for each new unit announcement.

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HTML RPGX Viewer H Scene Patch
https://mega.nz/file/8ksw3ZqQ#FY_J8Lm_xDJZftgrid9U5xfkqHlRoaF-JEHBVNFGQ80
Added Gosha scenes

Need to wait on Himuro Yuri's recovery for Yukikaze's voice lines. Just imagine me whispering them into your ear for now.

Let me know if I've fucked anything up.

>>7585836
It's quite ironic how users of an ideographic language refuse to add their own ideographs when they're really fucking needed.

>>7585850
That's a lotta womb tattoos.

So what's Yuki and Rinko's scenes?

>>7585850
Oh hey yuki’s breasts are growing?

>>7585850
is that actually the first ever Yuki/Rinko scene? that's kind of nuts

>>7585850
Thanks anon

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Does anyone perhaps have the Aigis Kirara full body and scene pics?

Or are they already uploaded on a patch?

>>7585850
Rina and Ingrid fucked by some guy
Rinko and Yuki in the brothel of TY2
Felicia captured and being experimented and then gangbanged
I guess this is the second non-Fuuma Yuki scene even if it's technically not RPGX Yuki

>>7586023
Wow Felicia got out of the "vanilla only" with Yukikaze.

Now all we need is Kirara.

>>7586023
>I guess this is the second non-Fuuma Yuki scene even if it's technically not RPGX Yuki
It is, it's just very early days RPGX Yuki. The scene is pretty much an if route of what could've happened back then. There's even a line about Fuuma right before Yazaki puts it in.

Does anyone know how can I see the TABA scenes Thumnails on the RPGX Viewer?

>>7586023
>in the brothel of TY2
It's TY1, Yazaki is dead in TY2 and yomihara is not even relevant to the plot besides a familial twist.
First (new) non vanilla for Yukikaze in RPGx and it honestly feels like a borderline cop out since it's just additional content for the VN, which is fine but doesn't give the modern mindbreak feel we got with Gosha Kurenai or Bride Hebiko.

>>7580993
New anniversary track is out. Long version soon?
https://youtu.be/oGtoKfdYHcE?si=LLtN9y72emXlOWPK

>>7585850
At least Aoi is slightly on piece, but it would have killed him not to jump around with hard cuts. And I won't even ask what's going on with Rinko's lower body on the second scene.
>>7586034
Can't wait.

Was the anniversary art by shindol again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ft_tsnMq1Y

Yukikaze's tits look too big, it looks like future Yuki cosplaying

>>7586095
well shit right when i posted this sasayama delivered on notifications https://twitter.com/Shindo_L/status/1705231953442771299

I wonder what's going to happen with Yukikaze's scenes from now on. Will they go back to being all vanilla or will they continue with the non-vanilla?

>>7586074
>but it would have killed him not to jump around with hard cuts
That's more on Sonoda.
The true crime is that there's no CG for the cum swapping.

>>7586126
The lack of cum in general in the first CG set makes me feel like this whole thing was a bit rushed with the other news we know of ybutas seiyuu. Not really blaming Nagisa on this one either, probably just rough scheduling on Liliths part, Felicia's scenes are also really short by RPGx standards.

>>7586147
>The lack of cum in general in the first CG set
That seems more like DMM's fault for over censoring because it sounds like they both got a proper good creampie with only tiny amounts leaking with Rinko even commenting on what a waste it is that some leaked out of her.

>Felicia's scenes are also really short by RPGx standards.
To me Felicia's scene is Lilith seeing some people suspecting 5 characters for the 5th anniversary when they only had RinKaze and IngRina planned, seeing people have also been expecting Felicia since her 3+ year old art was final used and getting ZOL to quickly whip up some CGs for it.

>>7586038
>>7586060
What? i don't understand? So its a TY1 recon when Tatsurou is being replaced by Fuuma or what?

Here’s a synopsis of what went down in chapter 62, copied from the wiki
> Rinko, Yukikaze and Shishimura Koro visit the UFS and the city of Allenton for both a moch battle with Mirabell Bell and a meeting with Shinganji Sakyo of Zero Nations. Rinko had talked with Shinganji Gen-an about a way to free Kichi Azusa from her hate, but needed a technique to counter her. Gen-an recommended a talk with Sakyo that knew the why Azusa was angry and wanted revenge and why Shinganji Kaede died. Zero Nations was the public version for Nomad in RPGX, and Sakyo its boss. However, he allowed the Taimanin to visit his memories with Koro's art. Yukikaze, Rinko and Koro viewed the formation of Nomad between Edwin Black and Sakyo, leard how Black and Kaede, had a love affair and had a daughter, with Kaede pregnant with the second one, and how she died against agents of Task Force G, which worked with Teutates. They also learned that her body was taken by G, and the second child would be brainwashed. Rinko also saw the secret technique of Kaede
Interesting development, now I wonder what Task force G did to her body

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>>7586226
....So did they just completely retconn Felicia killing her mother in the RPGx verse?

It honestly feels more like an excuse to not make more NTR scenes for Yukikaze in a while. They borderline get her out of the vanilla only realm because it's basically an "extension" of the VN. It's kinda unsatisfying. And I still don't know how Felicia was still vanilla only. Not many people care about her

>>7586247
>And I still don't know how Felicia was still vanilla only
You answered your own question. You can say she's had only vanilla since RPGx but the same can be said that she's barely had any scenes whatsoever since RPGx started. This is her first unit since what, early 2020? There was never a real vanilla argument for her by simplicity of her lack of content in general.

>>7586227
RPGX Felicia is way different than VN Felicia.
RPGX Felicia is just a weird looking moe dumb child pulling pranks.
VN Felicia was a evil monster.

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>>7586226
So in this universe Black is actually a nice guy who didn't captured and raped Kurenai's mother and had many children with her, so that Felicia had to kill them because he didn't want to own a human farm?
I'm not so sure how I feel about this...

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>>7581002
Yukikaze

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Animator anon, please add this to your next batch.

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What happened to Sasa?
He always posted the scene previews and character renders on twitter, yet he didn't do it for the previous units (at least not the scene preview) nor for the anniversary ones.

>>7586394
He only does scene previews for scenes he was in charge of and he's usually late with gosha.

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>>7586366
Oh ~ Such a Tasty pair of Asses.

I'd need the whole GC set to know how viable it is and what I'm working with. But I'm definitely interested.

>>7586268
Yeah and it’s strongly suggested now that since fulst largely worked with the corpse lord he and a bunch of other executives were probably used as a front to carry out their operations to make NOMAD an enemy of the taimanin, now that they’re gone and oboro isn’t a threat anymore looks like, they’ll cooperate better. In addition Rinko and yukikaze know the truth about the organization and what happened with kurenei

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>>7586429
If you're up for it, you need to animate this one. It's one of the longest scenes with 19 different shots to work with.

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Damn Yazaki has been hitting the gym in this timeline, wouldn't have guessed it was him if it was just the CG's
>>7586214
Not exactly, the line about Fuuma is basically to show that
>This happens very early on in the storyline, she barely knows him based on the writing
>While at that point she didn't like him it was the last thing that she thought of before losing her virginity so she may have had some feeling for him deep down
I suppose that 2nd part kinda parallels her first time with Real in TY1
>>7586099
I think they will do both, the vanilla stuff will be with the current Yuki, while the non-vanilla stuff will focus on her in the brothel would be my guess.

>>7586459
This is the stuff that i don't understand at all, Taimanin can play with all this timeline bullshit right? So why keeping Yukikaze vanilla only for 5 years when you could've had something of both worlds?

Same goes for Kirara, just do some alternate timeline and there you go.

Seriously are lilith directors really this stupid and retarded? By doing this they can get money from both parts.

>>7586494
I've got no clue, it could be a case of appealing to their base? I imagine there's probably a bunch of people new to the franchise with RPG and see her as a vanilla girl when she's been far from it in the past
Before this update I was thinking they might've just been making people wait until they finally did something non-vanilla. This really felt like they went for a half measure approach.

>>7585850
Is anyone else having an issue where only Rinko is speaking? Don't have any Yukikaze audio

>>7586711
It's said right there in the middle of the post anon.

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>>7581002
Shizuku just goes straight to my dick.

>>7584205
What the hell no Asagi scene?!!!? Why even put her in the thumbnail with a new outfit?!

>>7586822
Because it will eventually be a unit, retard. Are you knew? This happened last time. They can't release everything at once.

>>7586824
>retard
>knew
Anon…

I see, Thanks for explaining tho.

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>>7580993

>i dont get why i have some missing scenes...

>>7586992
It's quite simple really anon, you didn't download the patch that included those scenes. All you have to do is work backwards and then re-extract the newest again.

>>7586308
Where is this scene from?

>>7586429
What scene are you currently working on?

>>7587050
Aigis collab

Damn, I made the dumb mistake of rolling on the 4000 DMM points banner without being logged on a VPN, so I got a login error, no roll and the game still charged me 4000 DMM points. Will DMM auto-detect the error and give me back the points or will I need to figure out how to communicate with support?

>>7585109
She's great. Though I think they've been relying on her awoken form too much lately.

>>7587256
Sort your box as 入手順
There's no way they took anything without also doing the roll.

>>7586264

VN Felly was as she should be. Keep in mind she (and Kurenai) are Edwin Black's daughters. Felly was actually raised by him. She shouldn't be innocent.

>>7587383
RPGX version showed she was brainwashed by the corpse lord from birth

>>7585109
>>7587377
Same opinion, Lilim is great but unfortunately currently ditched for her Awakened form.
Would be realy nice if normal Lilim would grow/train regarding her own strengh.
Maybe something along the line of everything that is given can get taken away. Evan it is only some kind of magical seal that disables Lilim Awakened Form.
Tachnically magical seals are very common in the Taimanin universe, in special the Onmyoji are said to use them extensivly.

>>7584536
>>7585850
Thanks for the updates. Have there been any new music files lately?

>>7587404 #
>RPGX version showed she was brainwashed by the corpse lord from birth
Brainwashed into becoming a retarded child who pulls stupid pranks?
I guess something went wrong.
>>7587383 #
Exactly, Felicia was evil because of Black, while Kurenai instead became a hero cause she was raised by her grandfather if i remember.

I find it weird that RPGX is turning some characters who where already made into a way worse version of themselves.

>>7587447
She’s still pretty malevolent in RPGX at times such as almost flat out murdering Lina after striking down lady shark

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How old are the elves, like Catejina and Eleonor?
Do they age slower than humans in lore?

Rpgx viewer mega ling doesn't work anymore

>>7580993
Viewer links arent working, can somebody help?

TABA
>Viewer: https://drive.google.com/open?id=19Kd2T9gVZtsoEHP9nIeDSIdLOnw4Xgt7

RPGX
>Viewer: https://mega.nz/#F!E90EGKja!e7iSrCrQYeF_0_72GC4T-g

on a side note, how big are those in terms of filesize? cause im running low on storage space

New Ingrid!?

>>7588302
They're both over 10 gigs.

>>7588302
RPGX seems to be down.
Taba should work.

If you're afraid of the size, you can skip story patch if you're not intrested in the story.

Anyone got a link to RPGx Videos ripped on a video site? Thanks

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https://twitter.com/TaimaninKoho/status/1706126433687679473

>>7589289
Seems like they're either 10xing or 100xing gems since they're giving 1800 for pre-reg.
There's apparently going to be PvP.
It'll have a VIP system and a battle pass
Auto-rematch, dispatch quests and guilds will be locked behind VIP among other things.

It's going to be shit.

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>>7581002
always Rinko

yo, RPGXfags

Do we reroll on the global version or diamond hands on a pre-release account? Also if we do reroll who do we aim for?

>>7589344
That sounds like ass, any clue who is localising it? A good translation of some of the content in RPGX would be nice at the very least

>>7589360
IIRC you want Rinko, Shiranui, Kurenai, Nasara, Ingrid or Yukikaze. Oboro, Amane and Alka are absolute trash.
But stuff might be different. The pre-reg Asagi is a HR but in global it'll be SR so who knows what else might be different.

>>7589370
No idea who's doing it. Infini-brain have had multiple job postings for English and Chinese translators for the last 2 years or so specifically mentioning RPGX so it could be in-house.
Stuff on the page reads quite stiff at times but it doesn't seem to be an MTL.

>>7589360
On release just get Kurenai, wait and see how fast content will be, there's a massive power creep from 2020 units onwards.

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Is Mirabell anon still with us?

There is no going to be H in the steam version while Nutaku/Joshren handles the hentai version.

>>7589401
Of course, I will never die until my wife, and all the other Obui girls, get some new units or merch or anything Lilith please. Granted I haven't been working very hard, or at all, on my Mirabell stuff, Warhammer eats up all my time and money.

So, after their latest scenes, are Ingrid, Yukikaze, Rinko, *and* Felicia all pregnant now?

>>7589596
Not canon

>>7589344
As long as we get cracked translated scenes for the Viewer really care what the gameplays gonna be like.

That been said, do you think whoever responsible for the Viewer will create a separate Viewer for the English scenes or will patch the English scenes into the current Viewer?

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>>7589625
Best girl

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>>7589596
You know how many times these characters get knocked up in these scenes?

>>7589693
Wasn't that just a sticker she stuck on for an in-universe porn shoot?

https://mega.nz/#F!E90EGKja!e7iSrCrQYeF_0_72GC4T-g

Link to Taimanin RPGX Viewer doesn't work. Anybody update on this?

>>7589732
Same problem here, seems like the mega link is down

The zips in the mega for Artbooks are fucked, too

Newfag here. If I download all the TABA viewer + patches from the OP and in this thread, how much scenes am I still missing? Is there a full archive somewhere?

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>>7589428
Kirin anon here, got more Mirabell stuff for you, hope you like it as i do.

A amazon like Mirabell being a sub to a petite girl like Kirin drives me crazy.
Look at her cute expression, Mirabell wants to be dommed.

Full pic: https://files.catbox.moe/pgl12m.png

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>>7589289
Wait, hold on, I feel like I'm reading something wrong and/or I'm just retarded. Is this RPGX translated but with no H content, or is it like, a weird side game in the same vein as RPGX?

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>>7589804
It's a localizaiton, there will be an NSFW version, you can link your account between the two

>>7589701
It's a fertility seal that shows up in a few scenes. In that specific scene Rinko's inner monologue mentions her frustration after letting the guy nut inside her

>>7589811
Ah ok, so I can swap between Steam and Nutaku or whatever, whenever? That's kinda dope honestly. If I'm understanding it anyway

>>7589811
Do we know if English RPGX will be censored?

>>7589831
Yes, just like TABA.

>>7589831
Yeah probably, the chances of that happening are very slim

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>>7589359
Objectively correct taste.

>>7589847
It being uncensored that is*

>Taimanin RPG Extasy
>7-sins X-tasy

surely they couldve picked a different word

>>7589851
Why couldn't they have the SFW version be called RPG Extreme or something and have the NSFW one be called Extasy

>>7589855
>Make the titles more different, this will cause less confusion
Nah, RPGX is the X-rated version. Easy.

>>7586494
Probably testing. Since rpgx has been out for a while it's safe to assume it makes decent revenue. Why would they intentionally sabotage their cash cow?

Rinko being included most likely influenced the scenario decision, almost all her scenes released were dark.

If Kirara were to get dark/ntr scenes, she would have to be paired with someone, but who would it be?

>>7589732
Olympo has fallen

How do I install the patch for the RPGX viewer? I extracted the patch into the viewer folder but it's not showing up. Am I missing something or am I just retarded?

>>7589771
Very nice anon, good to see you are still around.
But it's only a matter of time before wanton lust drives the amazon uncontrollable, like a mighty beast let loose from their cage.
Now I'm ashamed I haven't been working harder, I shall endeavor to do so.

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>>7589767
Please reply...

>>7589625
I love Shikanosuke's hair.

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>>7581002
Rinko is my favorite Taimanin.

>>7582457
this is what i was hoping to get out of Action.
Slightly fulfilling, but sad that the only real challenge is "Damage sponge boss"

>>7589625
Lmao gigachad Hebiko looking like a Saint Seiya protagonist

>>7589767
Only two scenes. No, there is no full archive.

>>7589899
>But it's only a matter of time before lust drives the amazon uncontrollable
That is the best part of this ship, imagine Kirin and Mirabell on a date, with Kirin being all cutie and clinging on Mirabell's muscular arm, while Mirabell is just her usual cool and chad like self, only to go home and be ravaged in a hot passionate mating press by her petite gfs hung futa cock.

Sorry for going overboard i just love these 2 together, and don't get my ship wrong, i know that you love Mirabell so don't think that im doing this shipping to piss you off.

Honestly speaking i hated Mirabell last unit, what a fucking waste, Mirabell deserves better than that yellow turd, did you even noticed that they nerfed Mirabell's body because she was more muscular and toned than that yellow piss cuck? Embarassing

>>7586429
You can get the whole CG set here >>7585850

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"Taimanin RPG / Taimanin RPGX" is not the same game as "Taimanin RPG Extasy / Taimanin RPGX Extasy." Data cannot be shared between them. We appreciate your understanding.

>>7589896
Anyone can help?

>>7589962
>Sorry for going overboard
Oh that's nothing, I like nipple fucking and pregnant a little shipping is fine and interesting. I had just imagined Kirin basking in the afterglow of their passion only for Mirabell, driven by carnal desire, to mount her in amazon position, just a short role-reversal caused by lust.
Though while typing the last response I had the thought to type one of the rants from Duckman and now the thought of a naked Mirabell shouting this atop a bed while Kirin stares in a shameful mixture of confusion and arousal is stuck in my head. I need to get back to /ic/ so I can eventually get around to animating this autism.
https://files.catbox.moe/1zak2t.mp4
>i hated Mirabell last unit
I disliked the fact she was an event SR since I (still) save 1500 gems no matter what to ensure I can get her once/if she gets a new gacha SR but alas. I also don't like how she has a massive badonkadonk and we've still never gotten a proper anal scene and just teased with a buttshot.
>did you even noticed that they nerfed Mirabell's body
I noticed it but I wonder if it's not because Obui has been drawing a lot more non-muscular girls like the ones he drew for Last Origin which the recent Mirabell design seems to match, like her limbs are still muscular but her tummy is now alot more plump. I only hope we get a return to form for our musclefu.

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We'll be getting Extasy viewer, right?

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Will the H-scenes be uncensored?
What reason do they have to pixelate them in the global version?

>>7590066
Did you overwrite the files? The patch should have a data, scenes, and thumbnail folder as well as an index.html and server.py file. I copied those to the viewer, overwrote the files in the viewer and the scenes appeared.
Granted I tested this on an older viewer so some scenes from previous patches are missing but if that's the case for you you must've missed a patch or two and need to get them.

>>7581002
While the mom looks fun for a while. Rinko looks great as a demon.

>>7589912
Tanned Rinko when?

great.. more western normie fags will know of taimanin now. i'm sick of it lads.

>>7590072
>I like nipple fucking and pregnant
Already did nipple fucking, next in the list is some hot sex with impregnation.
>she has a massive badonkadonk and we've still never gotten a proper anal scene and just teased with a buttshot.
Now comes the question, has Obui ever did a anal scene in general? Cause honestly i don't remember at all

>>7590212
They already know it from Action Taimanin, so there is no need to worry cause it is the same people just jumping on a english server.
And even if there is a new player it will be the usual faggot crying and calling everything and everyone NTR and cucks.
Same old shit different server for the game.

don't know if i have it in me to play the global ver
my hard work on jp taba, rpgx, and AT so far has gone unrewarded..

>>7590264
>usual faggot
the autistic half-orc is already on the twitter thread. Actually may even be full orc, never looked directly into the sun. Either way a fuckin' mentally challenged mutt at minimum.

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>>7587065
I'm currently working on the last Sakura Scene that came out. The Scene where she takes the dildo up her ass and rides it, and then gets Orc'd from both sides. Its taking a lil long because of all the extra props I added, for example there's going to be a inside cam of the dildo in her ass and there will be a part where the Orc takes what little straps of cloths she has on off leaving her stark naked. Here's a small and rough conceptual sample so far...

>>7589966
I don't have the RPGX viewer installed, that's why it takes me a while to get my hands on the CGs sometimes. I said I would get it after I finished Batch 3 and never got around to it. And from what I'm hearing from the thread is there may be some missing files, so It probably better to postpone it for now..

>>7590264
>Already did nipple fucking
And I appreciate it.
>next in the list is some hot sex with impregnation
Most excellent.
>has Obui ever did a anal scene in general?
Not for Taimanin no, the closest I can think of is Juno in TABA where she gets fingered. Which is surprising seeing as Brunhild and Mirabell had scenes showing off their posteriors.
Pretty sure he's drawn anal in doujins and other art, like the image set with Alex from Granblue.

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>>7590320
>I don't have the RPGX viewer installed, that's why it takes me a while to get my hands on the CGs sometimes
The zip has the png files in the images folder

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>>7590341
The pictures are in weird quality, there are tons of white jaggies everywhere. I think I can see what they are for, but it doesn't help me for my purposes that much if I have to do so much fixing. A plain set of the CGs from beginning to end is what I need for my Animations.

That said, I think I may have found a set in a MEGA so I'll probably be good. And the Scene itself does look like something I can do.

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Translation looking good, sirs.

>>7590123
I did but now the viewer won't even load properly. Gets stuck on the loading screen. I must have fucked something up. Might have to completely reinstall the viewer but the links dead. Anyone able to reupload it?

>>7590117
>Putting Sagiri in Yukikaze's outfit
>Rather than Shiranui's
Unforgivable. Oriha is clearly the Yukikaze of the group.

>>7590411
OK if this is real I'll just stick to using the translator tool

>>7590389
>if I have to do so much fixing
You literally just put the cg you want on top of the first cg
so to get CG a you just use CG a
to get CG b you put CG a on layer 1 and CG b on layer 2
to get CG c you put CG a on layer 1 and CG c on layer 2
and so on.

>>7590615
Yeah, that what I was referring to when I said "I think I can see what they are for," I already attempted this, and the quality comes out really bad. Jaggies everywhere, Transparent eyes that don't show, and some flat out don't match the previous CG picture. Not to mention certain effects like stagger lines are too thick for clean twitching animation etc etc. I did the homework anon trust me. But like I said before, what I need is clean CGs from beginning to end.

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>>7590083
These pigs need to watch their appetites, at least Adult Yukikaze has been teaching her younger self healthy eating habits

>>7590625
How are you overlaying the images? The img.txt file tells you which image to overlay on which.

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>>7590625
works on my machine.

>>7589901
The full TABA viewer is 99.9% complete; it has all the game's story chapters and scenes, but is 'missing' translations for two scenes - simply because those two were never tl'd by the company running the game. It effectively is the full archive.

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>>7590662
I used paint, they share the same dimensions so I didn't think there would be a problem. Until I saw there was.
>>7590668
But that's just adding black bars, there are CG pictures with inherent jaggies to them, among other things, like the thick stagger lines compared to the sharp lines I prefer.

All and all, I appreciate the help, but the fact that I have to go through "any" process to get the CGs is a hassle. Animating is already painstakingly long and tedious I wouldn't want to add another layer of creating the CGs myself as well.

The actual biggest help I could ask is if anyone knows if there is CG pictures of the backgrounds they use in each CG Scene. Because literally "thee" most annoying part of the process to this is creating a background so that I can properly overlay it with characters.

>>7590714
>I used paint
No fucking shit it doesn't work, paint doesn't support layering or much of anything outside of the current insider builds.

>But that's just adding black bars
If you look in the bottom right of the webm when the image is first added you'll see some transparent dots that go away once CG a is added underneath it.

All your problems can be solved by using pretty much any image editor other than paint.

>>7590411
For fuck's sake, what's the term outside of 目抜け/マヌケ that probably gaiza uses for kotaro-kun that the trannyslators decide Diot would be a good equivalent for? Take away the I/eye and leave diot-- it just works bros! It doesn't work even IF the target audience is zoom zooms and ESLs. Just call him a cyclops/one eyed-fuck until he gets his shit together instead of trying for a cross-language pun that only works in the vacuum of a brainstorming whiteboard session. Or more like these days, discord because daddy's too cheap.

>>7590742
I think they call him one-eyed Fuuma in Action too, they could have checked to keep it consistent

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>>7590739
I should've clarified, I used paint "initially" because again, same dimensions. But then tried using my editor Photodirector and wasn't having a easy time. I can perhaps look at it again tomorrow, but when I tried today it didn't help much. Its cool that the jaggies can go away given the right method tho.

>All your problems can be solved by using pretty much any image editor other than paint.
This I can definitively say isn't true. There are choices made that would not help me in the file Pngs. Again thickness of stagger lines would cause issues if they began to move. I need them sharper so the color around them isn't moving as well. These files even after editing them are meant to be still pictures, not moving animations. I have to bridge that gap myself. And then there what I said last time, even with the possibility to make the CG pictures myself, its the "making" part that I'd like to avoid.

>>7590758
>And then there what I said last time, even with the possibility to make the CG pictures myself, its the "making" part that I'd like to avoid.
The making part is literally just putting one image on top of another. It's a 20 second job.
There was even a python script made to do it all automatically the last time this was brought up.
https://archived.moe/h/thread/6973750/#q6986784
You don't even need the viewer just the patch with the scenes you want the CGs of.

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>>7590768
Which is longer than simply downloading or Saving As. I'll give it another look after some rest. If you want to make a highly detailed guide on how to do it in editor for retards, I can definitely give it a glance later. Even if I don't care for it, it doesn't hurt to learn.

On a sidenote, how do you pull up old archived thread like that? I've been wondering that for a long time now.

>>7590783
gods i love ingrid so much

>>7590748
AT's loqualization was either headed by google translate supported by a babby's first genki 2 N4, or more likely, Yamada Tarō with an inverted penis that took english in high school and when asked to speak burgerese off the cuff without an internet connection he sucks air through his teeth and grimaces.

God I hate these fucking squealers. Comic books off the shelf are more complicated than this shit.

>>7590757
Will this also be on Nutaku?
Is Nutaku better than Johren?

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>>7589289
I wonder if they'll rush things in order to close the 5 year gap.

>>7590796
it's on both if the prereg email is to believed
Also, you can start on another non-adult platform and still have your progress when you log into the X version to view certain scenes it seems

>>7590783
>Which is longer than simply downloading or Saving As
You asked for the CGs 3 days ago and still don't have them. I googled online photoshop and created a complete CG in 20 seconds. I ran the script and had them all in a few seconds.

>If you want to make a highly detailed guide on how to do it in editor for retards
There is no highly detailed guide on compositing an image, it's the simplest task of any non-shit image editing software. You have one image and you put it on top of another then either save that as a png and work on the new image or just merge the layers and work on the new merged layer.

>how do you pull up old archived thread like that?
I have the script, so I looked at when I downloaded the script, searched the archive for Taimanin general and went to the thread that would've been active when I downloaded it.

>>7590829
I have the CGs now anon, I said this at >>7590389 and it was as simple as bulk downloading them all in a few seconds. No editing necessary. That’s what I’m looking for. Animating is a long process of nothing but editing, hours and hours of staring at a screen and editing. It’s enough to drive a person crazy sometimes. And that’s just for one Scene. Trust me, you don’t want to edit “”anything”” extra when you do this. But still, thank you, you never know when an alternate way of doing things will come in handy. So I’ll take what you’ve said to heart.

And how do you download the script on 4chan?

the archive on ex got updated so you can just grab the images there without the need to assemble them

>>7590850
The archive on ex is missing some cgs in certain scenes.

It looks like I missed the patch before the 08/31/23 patch that was posted on the last thread - is there a way for me to grab that one somewhere? The thread before that one got deleted

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>>7590942
yea im not playing this crap

>>7590323
>Not for Taimanin no, the closest I can think of is Juno in TABA where she gets fingered. Which is surprising seeing as Brunhild and Mirabell had scenes showing off their posteriors.
Speaking of anal sex for Mirabell, this gave me another idea but im not sure if this artist could pull it off (in his style)

>>7589289
>IOS
>STEAM
So this shit is going to be completely butchered and even more censored than Action Taimanin, huh?

>>7590086
If they are self publishing they can't uncensor anything because they are bound by nip laws since the publishing is technically being made from Japan. If Nutaku/Johren whoever decides to step up and convince Lilith to let them publish, there's the possibility of it coming fully uncensored. But we all know this is NOT going to happen, Lilith will just go "prisu understandu" and fuck it up.

>>7580993
can you get banned for using mods on action taimanin?

Mega Link to Taimanin RPGX Viewer can't work.
Does anyone have another link?

>>7588275
>>7588302
>>7589732
>>7591188
holy crap guys I think the link to the viewer isn't working anymore

>>7590996
Read the thread anon, this has already been spelled out.

>>7590942
Sometimes I feel the Japs hate everyone. I mean, AT is clumsy at best and it has some predatory things (Annerose debacle was a thing of wonder) but it's still functional and I dare to say they're improved it in QoL and time optimization.
That looks outright assholish.

>>7590942
That's the monthly subscription right? God that looks awful, AT's package was already scummy enough as is.

>>7591414
They're just learning what they can get away with.

>>7591464
>>7591464
>they're just learning what they can get away with
This. All companies, worldwide, are assholes who push and push and push until their audience suddenly pushes back. That let's them establish boundaries, and once those are set, they'll get to work on circumventing those boundaries.