Money Shot EditionPrevious Thread: >>8222397>LOCAL WEBUI SETUPhttps://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki>LOCAL FORGEUIForge: https://github.com/lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forgeMaintained fork (reForge): https://github.com/Panchovix/stable-diffusion-webui-reForge>LOCAL COMFYUIhttps://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUIhttps://comfyanonymous.github.io/ComfyUI_examples/https://openart.ai/workflows/templates>LOCAL MODELShttps://civitai.com/models/404802https://civitai.com/models/288584https://civitai.com/models/257749>PAIDNovelAI: https://rentry.org/hdg-nai-v3NAI API/prompting in A1111: https://github.com/Metachs/sdwebui-nai-api>RESOURCESFeatures: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki/FeaturesTraining: https://rentry.org/59xed3 | https://github.com/derrian-distro/LoRA_Easy_Training_Scripts | https://github.com/bmaltais/kohya_ss | https://github.com/Nerogar/OneTrainerTags: https://danbooru.donmai.us/wiki_pages/tag_groups | https://danbooru.donmai.us/related_tagControlNet: https://rentry.org/dummycontrolnet | https://civitai.com/models/136070/controlnetxl-cnxl | https://huggingface.co/2vXpSwA7/iroiro-lora/tree/main/test_controlnet2IOPaint (LamaCleaner): https://huggingface.co/spaces/Sanster/iopaint-lama | https://www.iopaint.com/installUpscaler models: https://openmodeldb.info/models/4x-Nomos8k-atd-jpgBooru: https://aibooru.online4chanX Catbox/NAI prompt userscript: https://rentry.org/hdgcbPony-related: https://rentry.org/ponyxl_loras_n_stuff | https://rentry.org/ponyxl_lora_previews | https://lite.framacalc.org/4ttgzvd0rx-a6jfList of useful A1111 extensions: https://rentry.org/8csaevw5OP Template/Logo: https://rentry.org/hdgtemplate/raw | https://files.catbox.moe/xk99gy.png | https://files.catbox.moe/35bdt5.gif>Related>>>/aco/sdg>>>/g/sdg>>>/g/ldg>>>/d/ddg>>>/e/edg>>>/u/udg>>>/vt/vtai>>>/vg/aids>>>/b/degen>>>/trash/sdg
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DETAILED PENIS LORA PLEASE REDEEMhttps://files.catbox.moe/3cfzzz.safetensors
>>8225621>>8225624catch aids and die faggot
>>8225625mustard gas
I can't decide on samplerEuler A turbo seems pretty consistently good but sometimes has less details than SDE exp
Good job PC-Chan, you've redeemed yourself
>>8225635Euler for low-res, SDE for upscale?
>one man army spends months getting approval to release an early epoch because he likes local>spitefags immediately go to his boss demanding better gibsmedatI'm going to fucking kill myself.
>>8225640is there an easy way to use a different sampler in high res fix in forge
>>8225238reposting the [BREAKING NEWS] for all our friends just waking up!>Illustrious ceo received a email from mumbai begging for more free handouts of future planned models>Angel got yelled at for yapping too much, letting the model leak, and forgetting that his company has to make a profit>Open source is now no longer part of the companies plan, and any future releases are unsure
>>8225642Yeah, it's right in vanilla UI under high-res option. Mb you haven't updated it in a while.
>>8225649gooknai
>>8225647huh, literally just did a git pull and see nothing. Is it an extension?
>>8225654Is it a bot post or freejeets actually this fucking retarded?
I hate having two threads at once
>>8225658appleuser-kun...
raw raunet raita shading /ss/ genhttps://files.catbox.moe/09t2sw.pngi wish raunet worked as well as it did on pony
https://youtu.be/-vHW137ikbk?feature=shared
>>8225652Huh, that's strange, none of extensions I've manually plugged changed high-res options, I'll check further once I'm home. I thought this feature was vanilla since it appeared after I updated Forge via cmd script, not git clone/pull.
>>8225665got it, I had to enable that in settings specifically
So it's pretty much confirmed that NAI employees with insider information knew who the CEO was so they reached out maliciously to continue to damage local, right? NAI employees have already gone on record to be staunchly against FOSS.How much further will they continue to go to destroy any chances for local to compete and how are people still supporting them without feeling terrible? Don't those people have any morals?
>>8225641retard he was a corpo shill, he was never going to release anything, all of this was just an astroturf campaign for his future cloud garbage. he made that ceo thing up as an excuse
>>8225673exactly, schizo
>>8225673thisnever trust those faggots
>>8225672kill yourself
ok new forge has a ton of stuff... How can I save control presets now?
If I want a picture that doesn't follow my prompt, I'll commission a real artist
Can somebody tell me how do i use anytest? maybe it doesnt work well with vectorscope or something?
>>8225644my optimism for the future of local didn't even last an entire 24 hourswhat the fuck happened. so now illustrious is just dead? no hopes for a finetune? i should just delete this fucking thing already? god damnit
>>8225688Does it need one? Just do an autismmix, merging in a (mostly) style-agnostic lora to stabilize.
>>8225688>Another kohaku tune, this time with 3 more epochs than the last, failedreal shocker
>>8225688youre not married to it you stupid bitchmake some porn to fap to or move on holy shit
https://mega.nz/folder/OoYWzR6L#psN69wnC2ljJ9OQS2FDHoQ/folder/e1wSFCrAUnlike the previous LoRAs this one does NOT synergize with the intrinsic artist tag. Henrietta can be prompted without the character tag by describing her outfit, Deathlock-san's name works since it doesn't have "zankuro" in it.
>>8225685https://files.catbox.moe/dmsmsa.PNG settingshttps://litter.catbox.moe/kt36nn.png lmao
>>8225688>future of localbut we have Pony
>>8225699This, but unironically. v7 would be sota if he included a 16ch vae
it's pony
You do it to yourself, you doAnd that's what really hurtsIs that you do it to yourself, just youYou and no one elseYou do it to yourseeeeeelfYou do it to yourseeeeeeeeeelf¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>8225696So this is a lora of his characters and trying to avoid the style? Or what.
>>8225699With pruned artists and on a model no one has done a larger fine-tune on yet. Completely unrelated but how long would it take to bake a model from scratch like pony/nai just using a rtx 4090? It's like several months right?
>>8225690ok do it
>>8225697nvm my dumbass checked the stronger effects of vectorscope i should just close this shit
plap some milfs
>>8225705Try years for nai
>>8225705Start a finetune on base SDXL to see how fast it's going. Pony was 17 epochs on something like 5M(?) images, which is just simple math.
>>8225703It is the style, prompting the characters is tricky because it falls too heavily into the model's half-baked understanding of the style if you use his name.
>>8225711>5M2.5M, actually. Of all those, only 500k were anime sources.
>>8225713thanks
>>8225710Nai are just retards that trained sdxl on hopper and in fp32. Add whatever retarded optimizer they had back then and you get some very uneconomic training.
Where can I find loras for Illustrious? I want to play around with some styles
>>8225716Civitai, duh
>>8225716just use sdxl 1.0 loras
>>8225713That's pretty cool though, that overblown LR must have helped a lot. For comparison Tofu was 14 epochs on 1.8M anime images, and the styles we do know on Pony are stronger than Tofu's.
>>8225716Other than Civitai, one in this thread, one in the previous thread and a mega in the thread before that. That's about it.
Is THIS the real thread?
>>8225619>>8225621>>8225624nice thread
huhrandom posts getting deleted in both threads
>>8225739>random
>>8225741seemingly random?
/h/, I have 300k buzz on Civitai and want to give some of it to a creator who deserves it. Got any recommendations?
>>8225749Astralite when he drops v7 early access
>>8225643hooow, do you have prompt/model?
>>8225753That's actually Novel AI. It's a SaaS model but extremely affordable, you should check it out. All the prompt information is saved within the image itself so you can just drag it right into the tool and start generating similar images.
freejesh...
>>8225753https://novelai.net/inspect.htmlHow does this shithole still manages to attract newfags is beyond me. If I entered this thread now I'd probably leave immediately.
how does one do an aethethic tuning? like you know when you pick a single image out of multiple? has something like that been done in nai?
>>8225644Sadge, angel save us
>>8225644How are you gleaning all that from what was said in the picture? Show the full chatlog.
>>8225774there was more in the last thread
>>8225774Click the link to the previous thread's post about it in that post, anon?
>>8225697erm guys i still cant use lineart anime with anytest. please help an anon... post your settings please.
I hate being a 8gb vramlet...
Has anyone found the cutoff date for illus dataset? Ellen Joe doesn't work, and she blew up in early January.
>>8225787I want to help, but there is nothing you could be doing wrong. Just enable controlnet and it works.
>>8225789I'll sell you my 3090 for 600$
>>8225754novel AI? will i be able to replicate it using stable diffusion novelai model? by Saas you mean over cloud right?
>>8225759newfags come and go all the time, most just have enough sense to lurk first
>>8225777>>8225778NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>8225799You will not be able to replicate it with stable diffusion, Novel AI is a top of the line SaaS model only available from their site. However unlike local models, it offers a plethora of various tools like vibe transfer and highly advanced inpainting so it may seem bad at first but I can assure you it is well worth the cost multiple times over.
>>8225635euler a cfg++ 2 cfg 28 steps clears
>>8225808we were thiiis close escaping pony sloppy smegma alas it is what it is
Why is Claudefag like this?
Any cumfyspaghetti cucks here that can explain SAM 2?
>>8225811we're still close. a finetune on top of illustrious is still viable. still, good luck finding any person who is willing to train it (or at least has the hardware for that)
>>8225814If you put your requests and your insults in separate posts, they'll have more impact
>>8225817well, we're stuck in the meantime and i am hopeful.not going back to shitty slop that is pony though
>>8225821Not like they aren't allowed to insult me back
>>8225825>here's what you asked for ,si--I mean shithead
>>8225814I love sexual abuse material, did it get a sequel??
>>8225830yup they call it csambig fan
>>8225832child segment anything model 2
>>8225790It's supposedly trained on the danbooru2023 dataset. So anything from January on is automatically out. Characters that first appeared around september last year are definitely included(, though they tend to not have had very many images by end of the year yet, so quality is meh
>>8225833sounds like guro
>>8225672yeah, NAI tactics are disgusting
>>8225715this so much
>>8223449huge. does that mean we'll get v4 soon?
>>8225672I fucking knew it was them
>>8225672>>8225844Nah it was me.
>>8225851Hello Sigurd sir
>>8225851based, these threads deserve to be stuck in pony hell for all eternity
gooknai status?
>>8225860in my recycling bin as i load up pony
>>8225860Died and in a better place now
We love pony here
>>8225861you mean miq*mix
>>8225864im so sorry mistress, my apologies mistress
We love pony smegma here
Miqomix is based and I'm tired of pretending it's not
I'm trans btw
Is there a list of styles for Illustrious that we know for sure doesn't fry the output?
>>8225872None of them fry the output you just have to use extremely specific sampler settings and extremely specific CFG values and never change anything in your prompt
>>8225872I don't know if you can ever be sure. Next seed everything goes to shit.
>>8225874Sounds like a lot of bandaids for frying >>8225876Yeah it feels very schizo prompting with this model. Even more so than Arti or Neta. Illustrious just happens to have more NSFW knowledge
>>8225877using any kind of style lora will also stabilize it
>>8225879Does the weight matter? Or can I just throw a lora on without having it affect the gen?
>>8225683Post an example of what you did and the image you used for controlnet and we can figure out where you went wrong.
>>8225881You only need partial strength for this effect, but setting the strength to zero will do nothing at all. You can also use a lora with a trigger prompt without prompting it, to reduce its style influence further.
>>8225888nta but will something like https://civitai.com/models/798443/some-style-for-illustrious-xl work?
>>8225888Gotcha I'll give it a try
>>8225889Interesting. Might have a reduced effect on style because it has a bunch of different artists in. Just guessing here, give it a try.
Pretty...
why is it so blurry
>>8225907wear your glasses dumbass
>>8225908>open up /hdg/>take off my glasses>every gen is now nai and basedkino
>>8225403>>8225409finallyI should go back to experimenting with these betas>>8225909KEK
>>8225909i could spot out horrible pony composition and colors even if it was 20x40 pixels
>>8225912this
>>8225912Being able to make out that the male is white and the female isn't loli isn't that impressive senpai
>>8225644to be fair he is still willing to publicly train and release models, only issue is finding a new compute sponsor lol
>>8225901Based
I should have used Lora easy scripts from the start. All that time and effort wasted trying to make kohya work...
Why do we hate NAI?
>>8225932im poor
>>8225932I mean does Kurmunz do anything to make us like him? He is a insufferable piece of shit.
>>8225932I can afford hardware and don't want to save my smut tied to my credit card on someone else's computer.
>>8225932I don't hate NAI the model, I hate NAI the company
>>8225932i hate everything closed-source
>>8225932I hate NAI shills because they hate ponythe service itself is fine
https://vocaroo.com/1c1P5115duCt
>>8225932I use nai because I enjoy it and treat it as guilty pleasure, but I generally don't like SaaS and Kurumuz is kind of a faggot. That said, AI foss community is full of shit too as we're seeing just today.
>wake up>thread is back to meltyShort honeymoon phase uh
>>8225946anon... I've got bad news for you...
>>8225946>honeymoonwhen your plane crashes on the way to hawaii what do you expect, we didnt even get to the resort
>>8225245It should be in the metadata but here you gohttps://files.catbox.moe/vf0bfi.png
of course hdg fell for the gook marketing show hook line and sinker. you fags donated to fucking jordach after all lmao
>>8225953still got a model out of it
seems like these two help stabilize it quite a bithttps://civitai.com/models/799029/illustrious-xlanime-style-boxhttps://civitai.com/models/798443/some-style-for-illustrious-xlwe're getting close to autism mixing it
>>8225953I mean even if it was, he did provide us with a much better base model than base pony to work off. I mean it would be great if we got updates but still a win overall.
Some guidance methods just do not work with Illustrious' based loras. They either mangle or obliterate the concept.
>>8225958Not to mention the dude is actually gonna release a paper on how he did it unlike the ponyfucker and his mystery censorship prone investors.
>>8225932Local user here. I think the dislike NAI are for several reasons:It costs money. If you already have the hardware for reasonable SDXL capabilities, it makes less sense to buy a subscription. Even though you pay for NAI, you don't "own" the model or anything, compared to local where you can download a model and store it on your PC, and use it whenever you want, without fear of an online service going down momentarily or forever.There is also the fact that Kurumuz at least (don't know about the rest of NAI) dislike local users, but it makes sense. They want money, and don't want customers flocking to local options. So they try to stay ahead of the game while not releasing any of their models to the public. Capitalism. Reminder that their model also leaked a few years ago, which helped local a lot, and probably also caused a huge dip in their income, which may also explain the reluctance regarding helping local.Now say you don't have a PC capable of SDXL, or don't mind missing out on stuff like controlnet and loras for specific concepts/characters/styles - if that's the case then NAI is a good alternative.I will say art on NAI (In my opinion) out of the box does look better than pony-based models. It's very hard to diverge from the default based pony look without stacking loras or using 4th-tail with specific artists.And by pony looks I mean the thick outlines, 3d-ish body and anatomy, highlights on skin in the same exact places, light coming from different directions, boring compositions, bad backgrounds and object permanence etc. If you don't want to deal with fixing these either manually or with loras, then NAI (or illustrious) are valid alternatives.
>>8225958Not necessarily better, but at least it's another option besides pony
>>8225967It has a shit ton of character and styles already in it, no incredibly overpowering and hard to overcome base style, it's a metric ton better man.
>>8225971it's worse at literally everything else thougheverbeit
>>8225971astralite really broke lots of people minds
>>8225972better at yuri as well
>>8225971Pony is more consistent and has better anatomy than even nail.
>>8225975Base pony? I think you are forgetting how bad base pony was.
>>8225972everything else being gpo, ces and smegma?
>>8225975autism dpo? yeah, it's also extremely ugly, boring and stiff.
>>8225977This is unfortunately true. Save for extremely popular characters or furfaggotry or horsefucking, you had to make loras for everything. Or controlnet bruteforce your way for some damn composition.
>>8225971True, and that's a big advantage. But it has more limited anatomical knowledge, missing porn concepts, and some compositions just completely break down. I find those much harder to fix than style. Because worst case you can always pull out Tofu/Arti as a refiner or for img2img.I also like to generate realism and /aco/ on occasion (don't post them here), being able to use a single model for all of them with inter-compatible prompts and loras is very nice. but I know we have many /h/ purists here, so don't treat this one as an argument.
>>8225952thank you anon
>>8225953at least jordach provided something1b is still better than nothing at allcascade resonance had everything; full range of colors, bigger dataset, bigger text encoder and also fast to train and to converge, but its biggest and main flaw about not being able to do details was because it was already fucked up at architecture levelif it wasn't because of that, everyone here would be using it instead of that crappretty sad because it had potential, for example the model was able to recognize tags such as three-quarter view, it would've been incredible for lora training, but it is what it is
>>8225977So the argument is illu will soon improve through some kind of lora marge like autismmix? Then let's talk about it again once that happens.
>>8225983>I find those much harder to fix than styleNo it isn't. But in the end it probably boils down to people preferring cleaner anime styles/aesthetics/anime concepts/emotions/etc and character knowledge over smegma bestiality gpo flashbang gangbang that pony excels at.
>>8225988I mean that's exactly what I said "Better base model to work off"...
>>8225953>he expected anything more than v0.1 of illustriouskek who's really the gullible one here anon? got what i came for
>>8225989>Gooknai>CleanAt least try to come up with an argument
>>8225995>mindbroken by permanent 2.5d sepia filter stylemany such cases!
>>8225995It's noisy but at least it looks like anime and doesn't have severe color issues.I have never seen a singly pony output I like. Okay, maybe a couple but can't even remember them.
>dude just train a lora for everythingpony sloppers have lost their minds
i'm so happy schizo hours are almost overand most people sense for aesthetics is awakening again
>>8225998In seven months? That seems like a personal problem.
>>8225998And I haven't seen a good gooknai output so far. Anatomy is always trash, sometimes in subtle and novel ways, hands are a no go, poses are completely schizo and colors aren't better than pony mixes either.
>>8225993anon...
Why do people hate Pony?
>>8226006Criticism is not hate.>>8226003Better than Pony at any rate. And it's not even a goddamn alpha release!
>>8226003>if i keep repeating the same thing like a broken record i'll be rightbait>>8226005useless post
>>8226001Why do you feel compelled to defend pony? Yes I think it's hopelessly ugly and all pony gens are boring and/or disgusting. I didn't attack ponysloppers though because I know paying 25 bucks to prompt aislop isn't an option for most people. Now we have an alternative.
>>8226011anon...
>>8226006i don't get it either
>>8226012Some people like pony and pretending like everyone is just using it because they can't afford nai will get you nowhere.
>>8226016this gives me flashbacks of the 1.5 days on people insisting they like civitai shitmixes with a bunch of overfit loras crammed in
>>8226012That is a good question. Why is it so easy to get invested in the opinions of random people online.Seeing people act like Pony is the worst thing that happened to local makes me angry though. If anything it's been the best thing so far. Without it we'd be stuck with fucking Arti, and the cascade proto, or EasyFluff. If you never made a nice looking Pony pic in half a year, why not stay with those models?
>>8225934wouldnt you be one too if you were at the top of a dominating service?
>>8226016I think it's been stated numerous times but the only reason we're stuck on pony is because it knows porn out of the box.
>>8226015imagine genning that when you could be genning this right now https://files.catbox.moe/5cyeuj.png
>>8225910Don't celebrate too soon, this didn't help as much as I thought it should, something more extreme may be needed. Grey is 0.99,99 with BS 24, blue 0.95,0.98 BS 20, pink 0.95,0.98 BS 4
>>8226021He's literally like a local baker like jordach with an insane ego about nothing, he didn't do anything but have money lol, it's insane that he's smug about anything
>>8226018to be fair, 99% of the time when people here say pony they actually mean autism mix which has overfit loras crammed into it and is responsible for the sepia and shit base style people whine about. wow
>>8226023>catbox-cuck=))
>>8226026pony is infinitely worse without autismmix and i say that as someone that did actually train loras on base pony when it released
>>8225962>>8225952very nice
>>8226028skill issue an issue of skill
>>8226022You could always use refiner memes or controlnet to get results out of animagine tier model that are about on par with most gook nai gens here.
>>8226032ok anon who's totally not shitposting, let's see your base pony loras and gens
>>8226028yeah it feels similar to illu actually, too much variability to the point you don't know it the next seed is going to be a sketch or a 3D render.
>>8226024maybe Lion is the issue?try Adabelief or Compass maybe
>>8226022this is not a /porn/ board though
>>8226039my bad, HeNtAi
>>8226035won't help your skill issue. keep praying for a shitmix that lobotomizes illustrious so you can finally prompt on it too ;)
>>8226041>no responsethat's what i thought
>>8226038How are they demanding memory-wise? If they are more demanding than Lion, I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to train with large batch sizes
>>8226041You can't fix gooknais necromorph bodies with prompting and a half-baked finetune or some lora merges won't help either
>>8225966nice detailed argument
>>8226045yes, it needs a lot more cooking. but the average hdg jeet thinks shitmixing is the solution to everything
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>>8226043Adabefief is slightly more demandingDunno about CompassSchedule Free AdamW is as light as Lion I think
>>8226052Do you know if there are libraries that implement stochastic rounding (kahan sum)? optimi only implements those
>>8226023damn, I didn't think it's possible
>>8226025compute is all you need, sadly
>>8226032show your work then
>>8226021No? the fuck kinda mentality is that. Also "top" the fuck? Their model is probably the worst out off all the SAAS model. They allow anime goon and that's it which has competition market of 1 lol.
Is it on the verge of a breakthrough?
>>8226020>Seeing people act like Pony is the worst thing that happened to local makes me angry thoughFor me pony feels like a monkey's paw. Between v3 release and pony people really wanted a model that would do sex as easily as NAI... And they did get it, eventually. It did make v3 feel much less necessary, but imo led to enshittification of this place. >If you never made a nice looking Pony pic in half a year, why not stay with those models?>madeI didn't say "made", I said "seen". If it was my personal skill issue I'd admit it and move on. But alright, not "all" pics. 99%. I have seen several pony pics I kinda like but I know they involved a lot of post editing. Pony also unironically does alright 3D and /aco/ stuff. But for /h/? I think it looks like an ugly parody.
>>8226054Afaik stochastic rounding and kahan summation are two different techniques. What are you trying to achieve?
>>8225943Illustrious was never FOSS. Releasing AI model weights by uploading a .safetensors file is not open source. Telling people grand altruistic stories of how you will totally release the NAI killer for free, and then pulling a bait and switch maneuver after false flagging a leak, that is called grifting. You fell for it. You probably fall for Indian call center scams too.
>>8225696You know you could've just trained the lora with the same tag to re-align it, right?
>>8226054I don't think all optimizers need those in the 2st placeYou can try checking how OneTrainer added it to AdaFactor
>>8226085Isn't horseshitv6 not FOSS either, just open-weight?
I still think not enough anons are appreciating how easy multiple characters are to prompt now. >inb4 hand and toes are fucked up/it's blurryI know, I'm not saying it's better across the board, but on pony this would be infinitely harder to get as a base image.I know this thread is for slop only, but I believe these minor issues are easy to fix with a somewhat competent finetune or maybe even just some loras.In the meantime, I'm gonna fix my Illustrious gens with ponybased models and get the best of both worlds.
>>8226087I actually tried that first and it caused severe issues since it seems to have a naive understanding which training on top of only serves to overfit. Could try it again I guess, but stuff like stubby fingers were SUPER bad, even with an underfit bake.
>>8226085Okay, "open-weights" if you are linuxoid so much.But where is the scam? You have a model freely accessible. Where is scam? Were you charged money for it or what?
>>8226094Never had a problem with regional prompter for actual effort gens, but I guess it's cool to slop out pairings quickly. /u/ would appreciate it more.
>>8226084They both reduce the effect of low precision training. I'm finetuning with full bf16 and without those techniques the loss will likely just diverge. Yes, training with kahan sum is less expensive than mixed bf16 with a 8bit optimizer.>>8226088They all need it unless it's fp32 or mixed bf16 at least.>You can try checking how OneTrainer added it to AdaFactorWait, what? OneTrainer has a custom adafactor implementation?
>>8226094please someone do a finetune on top of it please please PLEASE
>>8226099The grift has only just begun, comrade. He gathered a group of gullible idiots in his discord after giving them a small taste of an okay-ish model, and a promise that it will be much better. Now he can ask for donations. You want that 1.0 version, don't you? It's gonna be amazing, promise. Pay up.
>>8226094Never had problems with that for innate pony characters. The bleed issues only start when you use loras or begin describing outfits and appearance
>>8226090i dont think ANY released model is actually open source kek, they all hide either training code or dataset or tools they used, or in case of stability gayi all 3
>>8226109I did, with clothes. Even just calling them by name they do get details mixed up. Naked is usually fine.And you don't have many characters to work with like that.
>>8226111auraflow chads rise up
>>8226101Regional prompter is nice, but if we're talking about effort gens, basically every issue becomes irrelevant, cause it's all fixable in post and you probably should be using multiple models anyway.
>>8226102OT has Stochastic Rounding for AdamW, AdaFactor, CAME
>>8226094Yeah that's probably the best thing about the model. I don't think people realize how dumb down composition gets when using region. Using only names you can even comps where there is one character is in front and focus while other could be hiding somewhere in a spot waldo fashion. It's great kek
>>8226114I wouldn't call regional prompter effort. Basically anything that can be set up before hitting the generate button is fair game for slop
>>8226118>how dumb down composition gets when using regionprompt-ex?
>>8226105He had the commute, now he doesn't have the company resources it sounds like. And now we have confirmation of a bunch of methodology that NAI employed for their V3 anime model. Combine Angel's corpo experience and honestly I don't think it's too unreasonable if he does ask for donations.
kill yourselves iakek and noodlejej
>>8226117Does the stochastic rounding significantly increase the memory usage? If so, do you know by how much?>CAMENever actually tried it, and personally I am not a fan of adafactor either.
CAME is a meme from neggles, wdv et al, so it should be automatically disregarded.
>>8226134Sounds like a good optimizer then.
>>8226136As evidenced by the multitude of successful results from wd.
>>8226130Never tried stochastic rounding so IDK, it shouldn't increase much I reckonCAME + REX works well for LoRAs, no idea about finetuning
>>8226074Mostly agree here. The rest I guess also depends on your definition of what /h/ should be. Pony does a near-perfect rendition of Kagami Hirotaka's style, for example. It should be /h/ core, Black Lilith wouldn't exist without him. But it does have full lips, those skin highlights and even thicker outlines sometimes. Zankuro is a similar weirdo with the outlines, reflections, and body/face shapes stuck between a chibi and a toddler. nyamota, melon22, hero neisan,..I'm not talking about shit like nyantcha or robbutts who are barely even pretending, but even without them there's a lot of variety.What it does fail at are ones like blade galaxist, m-da s-tarou or hews, with softer shading, pale skin and thin outlines. These three are also trained and unhashed but they don't look right, and it takes a lot of effort to fix. Actually easier with a refiner than trying to bend pony's style.
Constant @ 0.005 is all you need. Don't believe the snake oil salesmen.
>>8226122I don't thing EVERYTHING is fair game. I've definitely had workflows that took literal days to build and like half an hour to generate, but basic regional prompter can be slop, sure.The issue with regional prompter comes when there isn't a clear divide where characters are. For a basic: 1girl, penis, 1girl prompt it works really well, and can maybe even be expanded to three or four characters in different parts of the image, though I'd say that would also be considered effort genning at that point.But as soon as they overlap, which tends to happen with some sex positions, it has issues. Ask me how I know.Meanwhile, with Illustrious you can literally one- or two-shot stuff like that with a basic prompt.Again, pony has it's strengths, and region prompting is a useful tool, but illustrious is just far superior in this aspect and it's not even close.
>>8226122It's like 20 nodes on comfy, so I only pull it out when I'm desperate.
>>8226148Oh yeah, and I forgot to say that the issue with Loras as mentioned in >>8226109 also isn't as pronounced in Illustrious. It's a bit worse, but just a basic character lora can slot right in and has little problem being genned with another character.
>>8226148Have you tried experimenting with latent mode vs attention mode? Latent is much stricter with the areas, so it'll mostly just not allow overlap, or cause seams.I have no doubt it's better with illu though, if nothing else you have so many more characters without having to resort to loras. Because that is where the regional issues really begin.
>>8226102you are rectified flow anon, right?> training with kahan sum is less expensive than mixed bf16 with a 8bit optimizerhow so?> mixed bf16what does this exactly mean? weights bf16, activations and optimizer state - fp32?
Man I really want to like the InvokeAI UI because it is the best at the three things I spend most time on: inpainting, outpainting, and doing manual composition. But something about it just feels off. After so much time with A1111/Forge, such UX feels alien to me.Anybody got experience with that thing?
>>8226145NTA, but the problem with Pony and anime is that there are some specific style attributes HARD baked inBest example is the hair, pony hair almost never looks anime, it always has a specific shadingSame goes for highlights, they tend to be of a specific style and never truly animeSome all layer lycos and finetunes do manage to override pony's default style, but pony mixes weaken this effectAutismMix is worse, because it has an even more locked in default stylePony also has a skin colour issue, very few pony derivatives manage to fix itThis becomes blatantly obvious when you compare them to the Illustrious gens here
don't sleep on sd1.5 yet guys, esp since animation on xl/flux is not yet ready for serious use.
>>8226162True. Makes me wonder though, if that will also turn out to be a problem with illu later on, just different biases. Because of how many anime styles there are, plus the non-anime ones allowed on danbooru. It wasn't trained as hard so far, but looks like it may need more epochs or a finetune.
kopite7kimi rumor about the 5090 (this guy most of the time gets it right) https://x.com/kopite7kimi/status/1839343725727941060GeForce RTX 5090PG144/145-SKU30GB202-300-A121760FP32512-bit GDDR7 32G600W5090 with 32GB sounds enticing. He also shown 5080 infoGeForce RTX 5080PG144/147-SKU45GB203-400-A110752FP32256-bit GDDR7 16G400W5080 with those specs seems kinda bad, not sure if it can beat a 4090, but also only has 16GB VRAM.Diff in perf between the 5080 and 5090 will be huge.
It's still fucked but I thought it would be pure nonsense going straight to this size. I know there's probably more comfy wizardy than just this that allows you to gen at high res but I'm too dumb to even set up adetailer in this thing.https://files.catbox.moe/v2v54t.png
>>8226169>Diff in perf between the 5080 and 5090 will be huge.this was the case with the 4000 series and i don't see that changing anytime soon
>>822616916gb is just insane
>>8225966Based anon
>>8226169>5090 with 32GB sounds enticingFor $2k+ it doesn't.
>>8226170It did cut off her wrist. And gave her a mega-swole forearm, two bellybuttons and three feet.Are those "PatchModelAddDownscale" some kind of homebrew versions of RAUnet? Because that one might still help. I see you already got PAG and SMEA-DYN in there.
>>8226173FeelsBadMan, like a lot, even if it is a bit faster than the 4090, having just 16GB is like a dealbreaker, for me at least
>>8226176the 4090 was around 1800. depends on the price to perf ratio. if it's roughly the same then an extra 200 dollars makes sense given inflation since the 4090 released
>>8226063Yes and no...>>8226155>how so?Don't ask me, I learned it the hard way with kohya OOMing when using gradient accumulation with mixed precision and bnb lion>>8226169>600WThis is over for my PSU even if I swap out all my gpus, holy shit
>>8226176sucks to be poor i guess
>>8226153>attention modeIf you mean stuff like attention couple, yeah I played around with it for a bit when it came out, but found it really prone to erroring out in my more complex worflows due to dimension mismatches. Might have been user error, but since the docs at the time were more than lacking, I never figured out what the issue was and dropped it again. I assume there is probably better implementations for comfy by now, but I'm gonna be honest, since I did my own hacky implementation of regional prompting in the meantime using masks and inpainting/outpainting, I never bothered looking into it again, cause I knew how my way worked and could troubleshoot it if needed. Anecdotally, I also only ever saw a handful of images that I wouldn't have been able to do that way, and when asked how it was done, the answer was always inpainting and never regional prompting.
>>8226180>inflation keeps inflating>salaries stay mostly the same>top of the line gpus stay at the same price until the next gen and even then the drop isn't that huge until maybe the later stage of next gen lifetimeSigh...
>>8226176Compared to 30k for a h100 it's cheap.
>>8226177Yeah, but I expect genning at these sizes to give her 13 heads and put her arm on her ass instead of a mostly coherent image with errors. I think deep shrink might be an older version of raunet. I'll go grab the node for that one and try it out.
>>8226186turns out stimmy checks do not, in fact, come free
>>8226168Though possible, it's unlikely IMOMy reasons:Pony pruned artist and character tags, leading to a lot of averagingIllustrious doesn't have that issue, and any averaging is more likely to be just low freq signal in the noise (because no ztSNR)While pony has variety in art type, I'm not 100% sold on the variety within each typeDerpibooru and e621 doesn't have as much style variance as anime art, though it could just be me only taking a glance at themAstra also nuked the whole model with high LR, frying the TEThe burnt TE is responsible for most of the issues with it, the UNet is comparitively just crisp, but not burnt>>8226181saturations like this are maddening lol
>>8226164>2025>Text-to-video diffusion models can easily be used by everyone, only the safest videos are allowed>Most advanced porn text-to-video>only generates 80s tier pixel pornWhat a great future we have ahead of us
asked on /g/ but I'll ask here too. someone mentioned autismmix thereI've only ever used promptchan which didn't really get results like what I want.What would be the best method to generate pictures with a lot more stylized anatomy like pic related rather than generic anime style?huffslove, jek, foresttherotten, bandlebro, all that similar thicc shortstack with exaggerated cartoonish proportions. not interested in the generic anime style most often associated with ai
>>8226195too bad the illustrious te feels raw, so its a pick your poison
>>8226202either find another mix besides autismmix or get style lors that aren't of anime artists
>>8226169I need a 5090...
>>8226202Ask on /aco/
>>8226202outstanding bait
>>8226202You should probably head to /aco/ but autismmix or any Pony Diffusion based model is your best bet. I know I've seen loras for Huffslove around at the very least.
>>8226195>>8226203
>>8226211>>8226208>>8226206thanks friends>>8226209kill yourself
>>8226159This doesn't answer your question, but I remember early on the devs were debating about Kohya's LoRA format not being acceptable and they wanted everything in the "proper" diffusers format (since that is the backend they are using), despite the fact the entire community was using Kohya. This stalled LoRA support for over 2 months. Maybe things have since changed for the better but it left a sour taste in my mouth.https://github.com/invoke-ai/InvokeAI/pull/2712https://github.com/invoke-ai/InvokeAI/pull/3072
>>8226192FRS must be jailed as a wholeinflation is pure robbery
0.8,0.9 betas go brrrrrrrrr
>>8226184Yes, that. Docs have not improved, but it's just one node that you add at the very end before ksampler, once all your conditioning areas are set. The error comes from any masks that do not match the image dimensions exactly, and any areas that have no conditioning on it.Unlike latent mode which gives you what you asked for at any cost, this seems to prefer generating a consistent image, even if it has to compromise on the regions somewhat. It allows characters to move slightly outside their regions while keeping their prompted features, so they can touch each other.
HOLE fuck! I was away for half a day and IT'S ALREADY OVER? In ONE week we had gooknai teasing, gooknai leak, nai papers and now its gooknaiOVER for us? Not like this, please... Angel, save me...
>>8226217It's what you get when you disable all market mechanisms that are harmful to corporations
Hey guys, any suggestions for hair wildcards?Here's my current list:bangs between eyesbob cutbraidhair buncurly hairdrill hairfringe trimlong hairmessy hairponytailshort hairtwin drillswavy hair
>>8226218those are only for lion, isn't it?
>>8226195Did it actually prune artists or just hash them all? And is that better or worse, if we already know the hashes leak into each other because of CLIP.You're right about the furry and pony styles. R34 has the most variety, but I would expect that to be the smallest part of the dataset. Their tagging is poor and autotaggers are bound to make mistakes, so including too much is a risk.
>>8226225high ponytailhair over shoulderlow-tied hairupdoyou could also just copy tagshttps://danbooru.donmai.us/wiki_pages/tag_group:hair_styles
>>8226225fanged bangs, hime cut, twin tails, french braid, braided ponytail
serving up some fresh cunny archive sloppahttps://files.catbox.moe/ehdkf2.png
>>8226227adamw also has betas
>>8226212who the fuck is finetunemight as well call yourself safetensor
I'm struggling to get this pose to work.Trying with (breast lift) and (breast grab) but the results are all over place.
>>8226225tentacle hair
mr finetune, im safetensoryou dont get to bring loras
>>8226238Try breast hold or holding own breasts
>>8226236light novel staff
>>8226242They are not loras
>>8226203at least I can manage the noise in Illustrious with custom noise and samplingPony is harder to wrangle>>8226212Easy for them to say when they have an entire GPU clusterIt takes much longer to train the same dataset when you are only training the UNet>>8226230I forgot about the hashing lolThat leaves the actual dataset itself unless the hashes are heavily bleeding because it's a junk string to CLIPWild guess, but the hashes probably failed, and lead to a clusterfuck in CLIPs understanding of stylesAstra took anime from r34 instead of dan/gel, so it inherits the jank tagging from there
>>8226256based
>>8226177>>8226188Yeah, RAUnet is definitely the best. I don't know how to X\Y plot in Comfy so take a shitty one.https://files.catbox.moe/ut5u8y.jpg
SEXOOOOOO
>>8226208>>8226211nta but I try to keep up with the /aco/ thread sometimes and never heard of any of those. Judging by their pics it's furry enough to get kicked off to trash.
>>8226261>It takes much longer to train the same dataset when you are only training the UNetwhy the fuck would you want to take the shortcut if you know it will fuck the model up
>>8226270Are goblins furry enough for trash? I don't keep up with either of those threads but I remember anime style goblins getting posted here so I would assume aco style goblins would get posted to \aco\
>>8226264afaik the only sensible XY is in Efficiency Nodes, and they make a point of not being compatible with any other custom nodes.
>>8226278That sure sounds like Comfy.
>>8226263Zoom layer is a phenomenal tag
>>8226264interestingyou've convinced me to try RAUnet>>8226272light TE training is an acceptable compromise, it's when you nuke the TE does it become badAlso, NAI nuked the UNet instead, I doubt it has any knowledge left from base SDXL
>>8226235wasn't the betas for adamw be something like 0.99, 0.999?
>>8226264I've been using forge's kohya hiresfix and it works a lot better than whatever that second image is, at least for illust
>>8226277not his goblin but what those artists he asked about usually draww/e
back to text general already
>>8226290I'm just using the default settings so it could be that the forge default settings are better.>>8226292The only artist in his list I'm familiar with off the top of my head is Huffslove, who does draw furries, but I mostly associate him with being a goblin artist.
>>8226218no brakes on this bake train, lessgo>>8226227most optimizers have betas
>>8226281It's just that one project, going against the whole ecosystem. Basically trying to do an A11 inside comfy, where you set some sliders and hit generate. All the noodles just go straight and might as well not be there. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jags111/efficiency-nodes-comfyui/refs/heads/main/workflows/HiResFix%20Script.png
>>8226285almost like that one scene from himekishi lilia
>>8226222America should fail
>>8226219>The error comes from any masks that do not match the image dimensions exactlyYeah, that was probably it. Didn't help that the errors were thrown by pytorch and not comfy, so it didn't have any real context as to what it meant by "dims at [x, y,z,w] don't align with ...". Probably should have guessed mask sizes though. Was probably some rounding/float errors, cause I wanted to calculate the mask sizes on the fly and didn't have some of the nodes I needed for integers.For what it's worth, when I didn't break it, it did work really well at getting the exact placements that I wanted, and as long as we are on XL finetunes, I doubt we'll ever get there without regional prompting.I might take a look at attention couple again then, I had basically forgotten about it until you brought it up, and like you said, it will probably work very well with Illust. Only "downside", if you wanna call it that, would be that it would limit variance in composition. However if you're already regional prompting, you've decided on a composition anyway.
>>8226272ur welcome to provide the 256 h100 they used for training a model that will be obsolete in half a year at most
>>8226306Wow that is a powerful skill
>>8226264Damn, I think I'm actually getting somewhere promising.https://files.catbox.moe/5uyw2f.pngGuess I'll deep dive into more Comfy autism to see where I can take this.
>>8226324There's still no advantage to this over hiresfix imo. it's just a cool gimmick, being able to say it's a raw gen and not an upscale.
>256 h100wait that means the batch size for nai3 was way over 2048
>>8226330they only say they have a 256xh100 cluster, not that all GPUs were in use for the training. it's unlikely that they were. they were also training in fp32, though, so the vram costs were generally higher.
>>8226328it's faster
>>8225956do you use both or just one
>>8226343How come? I would expect it to be faster by the amount of time it would've taken you to make the raw gen at 1024, and slower by the overhead added in RAUnet ad SMEA-DYN.I guess if you're doing hiresfix with controlnet that one adds way more overhead, especially tile.
>>8226094yeah it's pretty fun
>>8226328Yeah and I love cool gimmicks. Also this anon is right about the speed. >>8226343Plus, it's funny when it fucks up and I like to add a bit of gacha to my lolis.https://files.catbox.moe/mdhb4l.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r51992.png
>>8226242was frying the model part of your plan?
>>8226256>>8226285boxes? zoom layer seems intriguing
>>8226374Metadata should be in there already with the stealthpng info extension, just understand it sure does make a lot of body horror as well
>>8226378gotcha will check with stealthpng, thanks
>>8226390But just in casehttps://litter.catbox.moe/hemkmo.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/d78yt9.pngthey should just have them though similar to an NAI image or something
what exactly happened with the illustrious guy? was he not allowed to post the model or something?
>>8226162Thanks, good stuff. I don't see it, but at least I know where to look now.
omega slop
>>8226023newfag here but why does posting cunny catboxes not get you banned on /h/
>>8226415because you cant report a post for an image if it doesnt have an image attached
>>8226402The 30th was supposed to be the release and I think he only wanted to give it out to a few people to test it before. It then promptly leaked and some people contacted the CEO of the company directly, causing them to become hesitant on allowing open sourcing other versions in the future.Angel, the illustrious guy, apparently still wants to do later epochs for local, but probably can't do it on company hardware anymore.
>>8226415For the same reason that posting any porn catbox doesn't get you banned on a blue board.
>>8226413bro you are not even posting OCs at this point it's a fucking western character in a western style. fuck off to >>>/aco/
>>8226437oh relax, it is still an anime style
>>8226396based, thanks again
>>8226424it's 200% sabotage by NAI of ponyfucker
>>8226440oh really? which anime?
>>8226424It's no coincidence that NAI just released a whitepaper yesterday and was immediately eclipsed by the news of the Illustrious leak. Somewhere there 100% pulled the kill switch as they were extremely pissed people were talking about that model instead of their research
>>8226455ben 10
>>8226455i forget the name, its produced by netflix
>>8226457yup, thought about this too
>>8226413Saved but yeah it needs to be in anime style at least, try miqomix
take your meds or kill yourselves
>>8226413based, post more sexy hentai
>>8226457>>8226464I'm all for conspiracies, but at least get your timeline straight. The paper was posted to archiv.x AFTER the model leaked already.
>>8226484You have to submit those papers ahead of time for approval before they are actually posted so it was before the leak
>>8226486Okay, so not posted, but available. Still doesn't mean the Illustrious leak eclipsed the paper
>>8226457yeah "research" where they pretty much said nothing newnothing about training or not training the text encodernothing about dataset processing or what datasets they used for what"we finetuned the vae decoder"no actually new techniques that they developed and people figured out most of it already
>>8226457screenshots or its cap
>>8226496whillodestone and the wd team already figured out all of the shit they did and more long i hope the paper will be a wakeup call to retards doing naive finetunes (it won't and they will continue to use outdated methods).
why are we on page 10
>>8226527someone's bumping all the threads one by oneagain
>>8226530what is it with this board and retard schizos ruining everything
>>8226530It's always some thing fucking with us, man...
>>8226530/hdg/enners are one of the most persecuted people on this planet
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kill yourself noodlenigger
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