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This is within the 25 year rule.

Let's talk about 1999 and more broadly the 90s.

>The first question that comes to my mind is how did the United States later bungle having such an overwhelmingly powerful geopolitical and economic dominance of the world? I think people who are too young to remember the 90s don't realize just how powerful the USA's position was in that era. Their military had a deserved aura of invincibility too.

>How did the 90s fit into the flow of socio historical development? What important things came to an end? Which began?

In a way, I agree with the statement in the Matrix when the guy said that 1999 was the peak of civilization. I am old enough to remember 1999 and I think broadly speaking it was in the west. Definitely not in Russia but maybe in Russia 1999 was rock bottom.

Anyway, here's to a great year (for most of the world at least)
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1997-2007 was the greatest decade in human history worldwide
nobody will ever make video games again
nobody will ever make music again
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>>16827514
Hmmm...let me guess, 1997-2007 just so happens to be when you grew up and was the peak of your childhood to early adulthood right?
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>>16827514
Just curious, but you are under 30, right? After 9/11 everything started to slide downhill in every area. The best decade was 1989-9/10/2001. The 2000s were just less shit but the trajectory was already downwards.
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>>16827521
>The best decade was 1989-9/10/2001.
Let me guess, 1990-2000 just so happens to be when you grew up and was the peak of your childhood to early adulthood right?
It's kind of a weird coincidence that what everyone thinks is the peak of humanity just so happens to be the decade they grew up in isn't it? Kinda of lazy thinking isn't it?
Yeah guys, 1996-2006? Peak of the human race, we had Mario 64 and World of Warcraft guys...
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>>16827523
I was thinking more like 17-19 when I said "early adulthood" but I'm sure you knew that
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>>16827518
quake came out in 1997
2007 was a stacked year for vidya with lots of completely new mechanics and physics
Herzfrequenz came out in 1996, L'amour toujours in 2001 and everything else
fucking britney spears' handlers made the greatest pop music in history, you're a nigger if you disagree, only people who come close are beachboys
Only bad thing about that period is the rap music, otherwise it was literal utopia with seemingly endless possibilities
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>>16827535
america has been making nigger music since 60s get over it
that was the only period when europe made white music before being raped out of existence
elvis was a nigger
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>>16827526
OP here. I was born in 1986. Honestly, I had an unhappy childhood and family life generally speaking. But I can look back and judge objectively that the outside world at large was pretty good. Much better than any time post 2001.
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>>16827533
I agree, lots of great shit came out in that decade, but it's a bold claim to say it was the peak of anything I'm sorry to say. We thought the possibilities were endless because we were still young. Ask any zoomers and they'll tyell you the early 2010s were when vidya peaked because it gave us shit like GTA V, and Skyrim and Minecraft. And no, they're not in my top 10 list, but there are genuine arguments to be made in their favor whether you personally like these games or not. My point is that I always think nostalgia should be looked at with skepticism because everyone always thinks their childhoods were the peak of humanity whether or not that's actually true.
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>>16827552
1992-1996 and 2008-2013 had 2nd tier games like system shock simply cause they were right next to that period
GTA5 was worse than GTA4, this is a gears of war type issue where the game is neutered
Battlefield 3 (2011) was good but mechanically dumbed down, and BF4 (2013) was an abomination in all aspects from map design to gunplay and BF1 (2016) was barely a game
Thief is still objectively great and the standard bearer, nobody will say that about any game made in the last 7 years
Where's your chaos theory?
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>>16827526
I'm in a discord server with zoomers and some of them are consistently posting lots of games, movies and other media from 70s to 00s. I was born in 1990 and never seen Deer Hunter or Ms. 45 and these guys are talking about these movies. Or posting C&C Generals screens, or playing WoW Classic (Vanilla).

Then on dating sites when there's a girl born in 1998 or 1999 chances are she will have "90s kid" or similar in her profile description.

When I was a kid, and later teenager, there certainly was some influence from 80s and early 90s (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Nine Inch Nails etc.) but definitely not as much and not as far back as what nowadays zoomers are choosing to consume.

I think it can be objectively said some decades (like the current one, or 2010s) are culturally hollow and inferior to other decades. It tells a lot when contemporary zoomers are trying so hard to identify with anything except what is supposed to be their cultural milieu.
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>>16827526
The best decade is 2029 to 2040
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>>16827514
>>16827518
>2001-07
>peak of anything
...
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>>16827888
>I'm a discord server with Zoomers
Ok Groomer
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>>16827521
>>16827520
Would somebody be kind enough to explain to me why 9/11 is often brough up as THE event that changed it all to the worse and "derailed history" in a sense? I was born in 1998 in a post-Soviet country, so I'm obviously missing some first hand context. I see this idea being brought up a lot, but never really being elaborated upon, as if it was something obvious.

I understand obviously that it was a huge national tragedy and a big cultural shock that in a way shatterd the illusion of peacefull, stable times and of US being somewhat untouchable. And I know that it was a huge milestone in the process of pushing for more governmental surveilance and stricter safety regulations. But those things, while awful, don't really live up to the reputation of being the one singular event that ruined everything. But like I said, I'm likely missing some other long term consequences
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>>16827888
There's a better than none chance that this pic is from some ancient 00s CP set and this is the only image in the set that can be posted.
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probably because after the 2008 recession everyone just kind of gave up
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>>16828132
I think people are exaggerating. It was interesting news but didn't really change a whole lot.
>t. American born in 1993
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>>16828147
>person that was 7-8 years old then and just thought news coverage of WTC was distracting him from watching Nickelodeon
Opinion ignored.
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>>16828147
Yes, for me it also strongly feels like Americans overblowing the importance of their national tragedy, but like I said, I do lack proper knowledge and context, so I don't want to pass judgements
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>>16827499
Englishman londoner here. Turned 16 in 1999. AMA
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>>16827888
why is a pic from 2003 labeled "90s bedroom girl"
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itt: manchildren who base their entire personality around mass produced chink sweatshop consumer products from when they were like 8 years old
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>>16828147
>but didn't really change a whole lot.
lmfao you absolute fucktard
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>>16828515
I saw before and after my man o_o I'd compare it to Michael Jackson's death in some ways where it's interesting but doesn't have a huge effect overall. Of course the war in Afghanistan and then Iraq afterwards did politically, but even then it's not something you'd really notice in your day-to-day life. More infotainment than anything for most, really.

People here are acting like it was Operation Barbarossa or something
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>>16828175
Yeah I mean in caused less destruction for a major city than Hurricane Katrina did, but you don't hear people talking about that as some generation-destroying moment because it wasn't as dramatic and so it didn't make for as exciting a news story.
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>>16828686
Most of the dead in Katrina were nogs so nobody cares about them.
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>>16827499
it wasn't as dominant as you want to think it was
the Yugoslav Wars were very recent
Chinese rivalry was there
hell the Viet Nam War was in living memory of a lot of people and that made a lot of people across the world hate the USA
Also people in LatAm very much hated the USA for continually fucking around in their affairs
>>16827535
everything since 1890 was nigger music lol
what do you think "jazz" is? scott joplin? blues?
>>16828132
America got one hell of a bloody nose and it changed the culture forever. Before that there was I guess a Whiggish view of history; read Fukuyama's "The End of History" for a general perception of that era after the fall of the USSR.
Instead there was the reminder that people did and could hate the USA with a vicious passion and will fuck us up if they can. There was a prevalence in the media about how "innocent" everyone in the Towers were when it was a center of American financial power, and endless bitching about the Pentagon attack when, in reality, the Pentagon is a legitimate military target.
>>16828175
Also America has historically not had an attack on our "homeland," War of 1812/War Between The States notwithstanding. Same reason why Pearl Harbor shocked the nation. It was a sudden bloody nose and it made Americans think that no, we are not invincible.
>>16828672
Noticed it greatly in my life. Everything changed, everyone became much more paranoid.
Katrina also got endless press and, of course, after the tragedy there was a nightly call in show for survivors that, and I'm not sure many people from NO knew this, was simulcast on shortwave radio. (NOT WRNO; their transmitters were destroyed by the hurricane)
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great for me until about 2/3s through it, then everything went from 100 to 0. No, I don't want to talk about it, just be a petulant fuck.

It had a certain feel to it, the way boomers describe the 60s. Probably the era 1995 to 2004 or so was very chill, assuming you were mentally healthy and your life hadn't turned to shit. People think 9/11 was a cut off point, but not really. Technology was advancing rapidly, if you had the computers and internet it was full of intelligent nerds. There was a flurry of decent movies and tv shows, look at the lineup in 2001...

Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Monsters, Inc.
Shrek
The Mummy Returns

difficult to believe mainstream media actually made movies for quality and not as propaganda pieces with a theme. Then there was vidya and phones improving year on year, technology was also at a level where someone could code a website or a game in flash over a weekend and there was a chance it would rake in hits, rather than monopolized by a few big sites. The general vibe was punk and anti-corporate, but it did not seem like the corporations were evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UezzCUNOlXw

The LA riots and OJ thing seemed to be over, black people were happy with Clinton, gay people were free to do as they wanted, but didn't try to force their way into the women's bathroom, women had the same opportunities as men and no one thought they were oppressed because they preferred to study nursing rather than STEM and that white men have to be dragged down to uplift minorities or women, affirmative action was considered the last remnant of civil rights era that would fade away, not be replaced by "diversity" and become the standard

economy was booming and cold war was over of course, phew, we thought, we were just paranoid about the darn commies, russians wanted to become a prosperous democracy like France or Germany and would after developing their economy
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According to zoomers, liberalism was created in 2016 with the trump election, and this when democracy started to sucks waaaaahhhhh :(
According to millennials, liberalism was created in 2012 with Occupy Wall street, and before that democracy was awesome, and now democracy sucks bowwaaaaahhh :(

according to gen x liberalism was created in 70s with the second wave feminism, and before that the 50s were the peak of the human history, now democracy sucks waaaaahhhhhhh :(


SO no, there's no spiritually from porn addicted morons who put on pedestal whores and bourgeois coomers addicted to orgies
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>>16827499
>>>The first question that comes to my mind is how did the United States later bungle having such an overwhelmingly powerful geopolitical and economic dominance of the world?
Neocons completely tarnishing the idea of a Pax Americana with Iraq and the ticking time bomb of the consequences of neoliberal economics eventually coming home to roost in 2008
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>>16827499
>how did the United States later bungle having such an overwhelmingly powerful geopolitical and economic dominance of the world?
The White Savior complex
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>>16828135
one can only hope
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>>16827499
> maybe in Russia 1999 was rock bottom.
The rock bottom should be 1991-1993. :|
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>>16827499
Indeed, 1999 was an iconic year. The Y2K bug fears, the dot-com bubble, the Columbine High School massacre, the opening of “The Matrix”, the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, etc, etc...
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>>16828140
that wasn't the first or last recession
why did 2008 break everybody?
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>>16827514
97' is when it all started to shit the bed. We went from amazing movies, music and vidya to Limp Bizkit, Butt Rock and "Modern Adaptations" of old movies. We still haven't recovered. Indeed, it's only getting worse.
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>>16828750
>Chinese rivalry was there
No it wasn't, in the 90s Japan was initially still seen as the main rival until the end of the decade when it became clear to even laymen that their economic ascendency was over. China was understood to be a potential threat down the road but it wouldn't emerge as a true rival until the 00s. At the time the US economy was still growing so fast and there was so little faith in China maintaining its growth rate that the most optimistic estimates for China put it eclipsing the US economy in the 2070s.
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>>16827888
>>Deer Hunter or Ms. 45 and these guys are talking about these movies
That's quite sophisticated if they're teens
>>It tells a lot when contemporary zoomers are trying so hard to identify with anything except what is supposed to be their cultural milieu
That's because their "cultural milieu" is tiktok brainrot/nigger culture shit which brown zoomers honestly love and keep alive through consuming it so it never changes. They never had a mainstream dominant white culture so they're searching for it in the past.
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>>16827514
Pretty much the entire period from 1992-2008 is great even with the hiccups. 2008 is when the world ended.
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>>16834058
not for eastern Europe and russia half of white people
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>>16834058
2001 after 9/11 - 2003 was a bunch of paranoid schizophrenic insanity if you actually lived through it, the media was good but the media didn't make up the entirety of the experience at the time.
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>>16834281
Like I said it was great. Those shitholes spent the previous century or two trying to ruin Europe with their autistic shit and the chickens finally came home to roost.
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>>16827521
Nah, 2001-2011 were great years of American hegemony. Everything was great and affordable. The culture was still good and everything was affordable.
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>>16828132
It didn't ruin everything but we lost half our freedom as a result of the patriot act. It trickles down into everything now. Not only that but it was a fake event and launched the war in Iraq and our military experience in the wars since has changed the American people.
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>>16834829
>>the patriot act
True, this is what caused the NSA to be set up to spy on it's own citizens
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>>16835505
Fuck you for bumping a thread that should've died by replying to a 5 hour post. I wouldn't be surprised if you're a shameless samefag
>>16834829
>but we lost half our freedom as a result of the patriot act
You don't actually understand what the point of the Patriot Act was. Durring 9/11, the CIA, FIA, NSA, and local law enforcement were all aware that terrorists were targeting the twin towers but were not allowed to share intelligence do to Cold War-era security restrictions. The Patriot Act allowed alphabet soups to share intelligence to prevent a repeat of that disaster. That's it. I'm willing to hear your arguments on what aspects of the Patriot Act actually had tangible impacts on individual freedoms but you need to actually make those arguments first instead of repeating the same boomer shit you heard on Fox
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>>16835521
>FIA
I had a stroke, I meant FBI, don't worry about it
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>>16834281
Nobody cares about those shitholes. They were never good places to live.
>slavs
>White
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>>16827521
>post-Federal Reserve
>post-Civil Rights movement
>post-1965 Immigration Act
>post-WW2

>peak anything
lmfao
no shitty liberal democracy will rival 30s Germany or any European monarchy
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>>16835702
You will never have a real ethnostate
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>>16828866
liberalism started with the Enlightenment with people like Rousseau, Hegel, Kant, and Voltaire, and later established in 1776 in the US and forced upon France in 1792.
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>>16828503
You're still browsing a site that ceased to be relevant 20 years ago when it was originally marketed towards faggy millennials like (You).
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>>16835702
>>post-1965 Immigration Act
I doubt you can even cite the difference between this and the immigration policies that immediately preceded it. Or even their effect. Just another retarded /pol/tranny that parrots muh west has fallen memes.
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>>16827888
Did they have Dells likw that in the 90's?
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>>16835715
have fun with your diverse shithole democracy. don't worry, if you vote for the correct candidate this time things are definitely going to work trust me bro!
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>>16834823
I can forgive you for having rose-tinted glasses for 2001 - 2007 but 2008 - 2011 was the Global Financial Crisis m8, shit was fucked.
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>>16827499
I was a sophomore in high school I think.
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>>16827499
>The first question that comes to my mind is how did the United States later bungle having such an overwhelmingly powerful geopolitical and economic dominance of the world? I think people who are too young to remember the 90s don't realize just how powerful the USA's position was in that era. Their military had a deserved aura of invincibility too.
Pride comes before the fall
>How did the 90s fit into the flow of socio historical development? What important things came to an end? Which began?
The end of cable television dominance and the beginning of internet dominance in terms of news and entertainment.

I was a 16 year old then.
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>>16828147
Non american detected
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>>16828503
Not me, sure I still like anime, vidya and the internet from the early 00s but what's comfiest to me is unironically news coverage of the iraq war. I never watched by myself (I was a kid) but my family played it 24/7 in the background cause my older brother joined at 18 and I thought he was so badass and manly for doing so. I know I'm supposed to think he's a monster but I just don't.
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>>16828147
I was born in 1993 and remember everyone going into an absolute hysterical panic for 3 fucking years because of it. Airport security ramping up, interventions in foreign countries, people openly calling for the death and imprisonment of Muslims, it was an IMMEDIATE shift in things. The fuck do you mean it didn-

>>16828672
>o_o
You were not born in 1993.
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>>16828672
>but even then it's not something you'd really notice in your day-to-day life.
Except you know, the constant news coverage, the immediate shift in mood from pessimism to mass paranoia, the massive ramp up in nationalism, media shifting to a pro-nationalist stance overnight, pop alt rock and rap immediately being replaced by country on the radio, taking hours to get through airport security, and that's just scratching the surface. I'm with >>16835993 and >>16836016, you're either not American or not born in 1993, or possibly both.
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>>16827888
2001 zoomer here
my family couldn't afford most new shit or cable tv or the internet when I was a kid so I identify a lot more with stuff from the 90s since it was all I had. I think there's also just something fascinating about the time period right before you were born, like it's almost familiar even though you weren't actually there. can't help feeling like I was born at the exact right time to miss out on literally everything though.
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I feel lik e80s/90s nostalgia is the only "acceptable" "safe" nostalgia you can have. having nostalgia for anything earlier, like the 50s or 20s, or or 19th century makes you persona non-grata, labeled a nazi, get fired from your job and unpersoned and a threat to the state.
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>>16836172
I find it quite creepy how EVERYTHING went downhill ALL at the EXACT SAME TIME. music, movies, TV shows, etc. shit like that just isn't natural.

it's also weird how extremely different the time periods where. if you only grew up in the 90s you could still somewhat understand how the 80s where and there was a slow natural transition, but if you only grew up in the 00s you wouldn't understand anything from the 90s. it's why there's a much greater gap between two people born 1993 and 1997 than two people born in 1980 and 1993, or 1999 and 2015.
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>>16827533
You can't use music to justify a decade being the best when JS Bach has yet to be topped.
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>>16828132
Internationally, the dominant paradigm had been the idea that the end of history had been reached, that the world was flat, that power politics was a thing of the past. Nations were to be administrative units for globally interconnected markets, and the global agenda would revolve around transnational cooperation on issues like climate change, transnational crime, deforestation, poverty alleviation, etc. Security organs (NATO, the military in general) floundered about without much of a purpose or sense of mission.
9/11 completely destroyed that and thrust security concerns back to the forefront, reshaping the international environment and overall outlook for the worse, and led to stronger ideas of a civilizational clash and resumed national antagonisms. International norms and organizations were discredited, making countries more inclined to focus on their own interests/objectives, and less trusting in wider structures. That plays a role in everyone's response to the GFC being every man for himself, which introduced distortions into the global economy that never really went away. One could also argue that it shifted focus away from economics, thus contributing to the Global Financial Crisis. Domestically, an understated result of 9/11 was to give Conservatives something to do; while political Christians did exist (see stem cells, evolution), they were limited in what they could, and so the Conservatives faced a challenge of being in government while believing that government shouldn't really be doing anything. 9/11 perfectly played to the nationalist/confrontational/Manichean elements and gave them this grand existential purpose (saving Western civilization from the destroyer and the decadent) that lasts until 2006 or so. After that, they're aimless again, which in combination with the aftermath of the GFC sets up the rise of the populist right.
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>>16836384
anyone who unironically believed in end of history and historical inevitability and to think we will have liberal democracy till the end of time is a fucking retard. Marx said the same thing about socialism being inevitable, and Rosenberg said the same thing about national socialism.

nothing is innevitable, specially not now that people are realizing democracy is a shit system. democracy will eventually be replaced by monarchy, natsoc, fascism, or perhaps a new system. everything comes to an end, and the end of liberal democracy is very soon. fuck fukuyama
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>>16827499
> how did the United States later bungle having such an overwhelmingly powerful geopolitical and economic dominance of the world?
There are (at high level) three things you can do with an economy/resources: consume, save, and invest. Saving and investing leaves you better off in the future at the expense of performance now. The US chose to go all-in on consumption, and whether economically, militarily, socially, did nothing future-oriented. Combine that with dogma about the desirability of lower taxes to spur "growth" and political acceptance of deficit spending for recurring expenses, and the fiscal position was completely shot, especially in the aftermath of 2008. So then, today, there is nothing to show for the entire spending binge and any number of political, financial, and demographic headwinds that leave the 'most powerful country ever' unable to get anything accomplished.
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>>16836188
Not really, years ago a lot of "born in the wrong generation" kids had nostalgia for the 60s/70s
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>>16836210
The rapture happened at y2k, we are in hell now
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>>16836421
economies are cyclical, everyone knows that. economic booms are predicated on consumption and spending, and finally the money runs out and causes a depression during which time bung industries and investments are wiped and new, more adaptable ones get created for the next boom/consumption cycle.
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>>16827526
Youre so dumb. It’s because it’s the period between the fall of the berlin wall which ended the cold was and the begging of the war against Islam.

It’s the “Pax Americana”
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>>16836421
>Combine that with dogma about the desirability of lower taxes to spur "growth" and
Historically the US did not have significant taxes in peacetime outside tariffs.
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>>16828124
Zoomers are in their late teens now and most can post on 4chan. The current youngest generation is gen Alpha
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>>16836813
love how we went from war against islam to opening our borders for millions of them in just 15 years.
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>>16836899
That's shit's all coming to an end in 2025
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>>16836188
this isnt an exaggeration at all
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>>16836832
>Zoomers are in their late teens now
I'm 23
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>>16836819
The first income tax dated back to the Civil War.
The permanent income tax dates to the 1910s.
And with an expansion (seen everywhere functional on the planet) in what government is expected to do, a larger revenue basis than tariffs would've soon been needed anyway.
Nobody likes paying taxes, which merged with general pro-business sentiment to produce a strong anti-tax movement.
Everybody likes their medicare, their social security, their highways and airports, and are unwilling to reduce government spending to under tax levels they're willing to tolerate.
The result is politicians promising that pro-growth tax cuts will spur so much growth that the lower rates will yield more revenue, but that never happens and so deficit spending results.
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>>16837404
>The permanent income tax dates to the 1910s.
let me guess
December 23, 1913?
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>>16837415
>The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified by the requisite number of states on February 3, 1913, and effectively overruled the Supreme Court's ruling in Pollock.
The background to that is that there had been an income tax passed in the 1890s that was struck down by the Supreme Court in 1895, as a violation of a constitutional clause requiring apportionment of taxes by population among the states. There was a lot of populist advocacy for an income tax that would redress the high-profile problem of income inequality and allow tariff reductions to lower the cost of living, and eventually they got sufficient support to pass the 16th amendment to the Constitution, allowing an income tax.
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>>16837404
Taxes at the Federal level are nearly obsolete at this point since the government just revs up the printing presses when they need money.
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>>16837185
Explain.
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>>16837404
>Everybody likes their medicare, their social security, their highways and airports, and
'hol up there. nobody ever had a problem building infrastructure in the 19th century when the Federal government was 1/8th of its modern size. actually they would overbuild infrastructure especially railroads and cause economic depressions since a lot of it was useless.
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>>16837494
>nobody ever had a problem building infrastructure in the 19th century
19th century infrastructure (meaning railroads) doesn't compare to 20th century in the slightest.
Using expressways as an example, there are certainly countries where private companies operate expressway concessions (France, Italy, Japan) but are there any relevant countries where private companies were in the lead so far as route design and construction went? Turnpikes never really took off. In the US, private companies lobbied for the Interstate system, and lobbied against a toll-based system, which would be the alternate funding source.
And if you have expressways, private sector interest in mass transit goes to zero.
Private sector interest in rural electrification was muted.
Jet-age airports and containerized ports were both mostly government projects, with private operators exiting airports in the 1930s/40s as consolidation and demand for investment outstripped what they could reasonably afford/profit from.
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>>16837563
and now Serbia is in a better state than US is. how the tables have turned.
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>>16837494
>>16837541
And railroads occupied a position like tech today, being an advanced, dynamic sector that inspired speculation and optimism that outpaced due diligence, aided by the fact that they had an effective monopoly on land travel.
And even they (partly due to government regulation/interference, admittedly) increasingly couldn't earn cost of capital during the 20th century, with the ones that hauled bulk commodities between a few standard destinations (the ones based west of the Mississippi, mostly) doing the best while many in the densely-populated, industrialized Northeast ending up as spectacular bankruptcies.
And with a sizable network of paved roads already in existence, with railroads already in existence, with roads having lower throughput than railroads, with a half-century of urban development forcing expensive land acquisition and demolition, there was little business case for evolving a national expressway network through competing private businesses.
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>>16828132
The party was ogre. There have been plenty of other things and some things hadn't peaked. And there were still some serious things in the '90s but overall the party was over. The great recession and covid also did a number on the party. But 9/11 was bigger than WWII at first. Nobody cared in the beginning and we didn't care until Pearl Harbor. 9/11 was pearl harbor outta nowhere and then immediate 24/7 news coverage for years. My parents partied and after 9/11 my dad went born again and my mom watched the news for like four years straight hardly moving and also developed fibromyalgia
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>>16835866
I don't think the world ever recovered from 2008. You'll see some statistics that say we totally have but I think the reality for people is different and shows just how little those statistics can actually mean.
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>>16837580
>there was little business case for evolving a national expressway network through competing private businesses

nta but you do know the interstate highway system was primarily built for strategic purposes so the military could easily move troops and vehicles around the country. any benefit to the private sector was secondary and incidental to its main purpose.
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In this thread; a bunch of retards proclaim the modern age to be the apocolypse because they're all suffering from Mean World Syndrome they caught from being addicted to Social Media. Meanwhile they're all praising decades they were either never even alive to experience themselves or were too young to truly have a grasp on any real world aspects about them.
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>>16837541
>Private sector interest in rural electrification was muted

This is an asspull of sorts. It is true that large areas of the South prior to the New Deal era had no electrification but it may be understood that this was political rather than business-driven. For most of the 70 years following the Civil War the Federal government was largely Republican-controlled, and most of big business was Republican controlled, and nobody gave a shit about putting infrastructure in the South as they were Democrats. Had the South been a Republican region one assumes there'd be more investment in it. FDR then started the TVA and whatnot because he had to pay back an important Democrat constituency. As well as the fact that of course everyone was gearing up for war and it served a strategic interest.
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>>16837494
>nobody ever had a problem building infrastructure in the 19th century when the Federal government was 1/8th of its modern size
We can't even replace or upgrade sewer systems in major cities. Most of them were built in the early 1900s when there were almost no regulations and you could build or dig anywhere you wanted, but you can't do that today, it's impossibly too expensive.
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>>16835755
>ugh democracy sucks we should be like my shithole dictatorships that fell apart before the turn of the century
Cope
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>>16835747
No. That's picture is 100% Y2K. There's an Avril Lavigne poster and a Sony CD player. CDs didn't really become common until the very tail end of the 90s.
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>>16838154
Pic is from 2002-05 most likely.
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>>16838128
It's not "impossibly too expensive". It is expensive, but that's entirely to be expected because infrastructure never was cheap. 500 billion dollars has been invested into infrastructure, the most in decades, since the 2021 Infrastructure Bill. That's not because of regulations, it's because when you put off a problem for too long this is what happens, because voters have been mind broken into thinking the government spending any kind of money is bad.
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>>16838169
the 2021 infrastructure bill was just a way for Democrat donors to embezzle money, it was never intended to actually build anything. also back in like 1902 it was cheap and easy to build a sewer in NYC compared to today.

>abundant labor--any time an Irishman loses his hand or something in an accident there's 5 more where he came from
>no environment regs, no zoning laws
>most of the raw materials and supplies produced locally since urban areas actually had industry back then
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>>16838189
>the 2021 infrastructure bill was just a way for Democrat donors to embezzle money
How would political donors even end up with that money anon? Why are you trying so hard to even make this a partisan issue?
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>>16838189
it's quite sad but the Chinese, they can do this stuff we once did so easily
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he dodged the question and then brought up China lmao why are these bots so predictable?
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>>16827499
The 90s was basically the 50s of the latter 20th century. America had a decade of prosperity after a major geopolitical victory and raised a spoiled rotten generation of neo-boomers (millennials.) America was #1, it was exceptional again, history was over. Then 9/11, 2008, and Covid happened and sent that world of prosperity and bliss crashing down.
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>>16837404
>And with an expansion (seen everywhere functional on the planet) in what government is expected to do

A government's main functions are national defense, establishing some basic rule of law, and perhaps providing a minimal social safety net. Anything beyond that is mostly leftist social engineering.
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>>16838250
infrastructure and healthcare are necesarry for national defense and a minimal social safety net. Now what?
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>>16838079
Railroads were extremely strategically important. So important that the first Transcontinental Railroad's approval happened during the Civil War, which itself relied heavily upon railroads. Yet, even the transcons were concessions given to private companies rather than directly being built and operated by the government.
>any benefit to the private sector was secondary and incidental to its main purpose.
Defense was one of the rationales used for overcoming standard anti-big gummint sentiment, but advocacy for a national system was decades old by that point, and the Insterstates built heavily on work already done by Macdonald and the Bureau of Public Roads. The specific decision to run them through city centers was strongly influenced by urban renewal ideas.
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>>16838268
now the government does have fairly considerable leeway in what it can do under the national defense clause in the Constitution. in the 19th century however it wasn't exercised that much because the peacetime US Army was tiny due to ingrained distrust of large professional militaries. also anon is partially correct in that certain of FDR's actions such as creating TVA were really war preparations since everyone had known since about 1935 that war was coming in a few years.
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>>16838410
In the Civil War some governors protested Lincoln's decision to begin using the draft on constitutional/states rights grounds even though I fail to see how it was not covered under national defense.
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>>16838230
funny how the 90s were the more prosperous decade yet the 80s ended up being more iconic and beloved by society. weird how that works
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>>16838430
It's like the 60s having a better economy than the 50s but there's more nostalgia for the latter.
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>>16838430
Because the 80s was decadent and loud, so it became a more noticable cultural mark. The 90s is when people started worshipping bigger rap gangster culture, which they still do today. The 90s has 0 appeal due to this.
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>>16838430
90s popular culture was generally more introspective, surreal, and about intentionally pushing boundaries as hard as possible. The biggest bands in the world at the time were putting out albums with songs like that tackled issues like domestic abuse, political corruption, police brutality, and rape. That kind of thing doesn't sell as well in the modern pop culture environment that's been stripped down the the most juvenile stuff possible for ultra-mass-appeal.
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I hear a lot of talk about the US "bungling" but we're still on top. Yeah there's holes in the boat and we're listing to one side, but everywhere else is just as bad or worse. The thing about being on top is, you have the furthers way to come down before you're as bad as everyone else.
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>>16838462
>The 90s is when people started worshipping bigger rap gangster culture, which they still do today. The 90s has 0 appeal due to this.
you forget how rock all became whining about how you smell bad and hate your mom
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>>16838430
Popular memory is entirely vibes-based. 80s had louder, flashier vibes.
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>>16838462
>The 90s is when people started worshipping bigger rap gangster culture
like rock, 90s rap was a lot more political and existentialist than in the 21st century where it mostly became vacuous club tunes
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>>16838487
rock music has always been anti government and individualist. niggers were neither of these things.
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>>16838430
The 80s are overhyped as fuck because of their pop culture output. They made a lot of fun things but the decade itself was honestly really rocky. It started as basically a continuation of the 70s with high crime rates and general societal breakdown which then saw an economic implosion in 1983. Things didn't normalize until 1984 which then saw tensions with the USSR reach such heights that hadn't been seen since the early 60s.

Contrast that with the 90s where the economy was fucking exploding and the Cold War was over with cultural fears being directed towards conservation and alleviating international poverty. Meanwhile popular culture became intentionally subdued because people had grown tired of the loudness and cleanness of 80s popular culture.
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>>16838509
the early 80s recession was really bad especially in the Northeast and Midwest, it was the worst economic downturn since the Depression and there wasn't any real return of middle class prosperity until 1984.
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>>16838509
>Meanwhile popular culture became intentionally subdued because people had grown tired of the loudness and cleanness of 80s popular culture.
Yeah I think a lot of younger people probably don't get this. Shit like Grunge and New Age music exploded onto the scene in the 90s specifically because it was more raw and more subdued. The Simpsons was a juggernaut because it was refreshing to see as show take a less-clean look at American life. Survivorship Bias dominates what most people remember of the 80s, a lot of it was extremely boring and squeaky-clean to the point of being saccharine even though day to day life was kind of gritty.
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>>16838487
>CCR: fuck the man, I'm not gonna die in Vietnam for greedy MIC contracts. It ain't me.

>NWA: ayo I'ma kill dem.niggas who stole my crack rock. dis is all whitey's fault btw
Sure thing nigger lover.
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>>16838553
the 70s had a bit more social realism/political messages on TV but the 80s reverted back to sap like Full House
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>>16838553
I feel like all the love the 90s get stems from the early 90s with stuff like grundge and nirvana. the late 90s didn't really get any love until very recently with the Y2K stuff but Y2K just seems superficial compared to the early 90s stuff. feel like the 2nd half of the 90s is what led us into this era of cultural stagnation.
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>>16838452
The 50s like the 80s had a very tacky, superficial pop culture mostly based on being loud and tasteless.
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>>16838636
>>16838576
In all fairness the love the 70s gets also stems from early decade when it was still continuation of the counterculture era with everything post-OPEC embargo getting cheesier and more lightweight.
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>>16838636
the 20s 50s and 80s are the decades of the US that will be remembered fondly by future generations. 90s nostalgia is mostly from millennials and le wrong generation zoomers
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>>16838645
I hate to say eet but it's always strange how decades that were Republican-dominated have lot of nostalgia for them but decades when Democrats were in power were ones people tend to not want to remember.
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>>16838650
>but decades when Democrats were in power were ones people tend to not want to remember.
I think the Kennedy years were pretty well remembered, no? Also nobody wants to remember George W. Bush's presidency.
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>>16838204
Unfortunately a lot of the stuff that has to be done to make a strong nation is fundamentally incompatible with people being treated like human beings. The Gilded Age saw America emerge as a superpower at the cost of child labor and routine deaths in industrial accidents. You can have a safe, clean, relatively regulated society that is also stagnant and doesn't innovate much, or you can have an ancap paradise that will make huge progress in a short amount of time but a lot of people will die or be whipped in a coal mine or something.
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>>16838617
The latter 90s were a really bizarre push-pull. Pop made a comeback with a vengeance and rock seemed to be fading out, but then there was a massive resurgence of it with the Britpop wave and experimental music started to really chart from around 1999 - 2001. So you had shit like OK Computer competing in the charts with stuff like fucking Britney Spears.
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>>16838645
The 90s were the peak of US power as its position as the unquestioned hegemon while real wages were increasing for the first time since the 1960s. I think the 80s are overblown and in the long-term the 90s will end up being seen as the decade worth being nostalgic over. It was basically the 1950s pt 2: edgy edition.
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>>16838701
I think all the good music from the late 90s is stuff that never made it in the US. stuff like trance, progressive house, drum and bass, eurohouse. in terms of the US music really went downhill after the Telecommunications Act of 1996. going from Alice In Chains to fucking Limp Bizkit
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>>16827499
It was literally the last decade of the 20th century, a decade where, despite certain uncertainties that existed at that time, it lent itself to being the opening to an 'encouraging' future after enduring 2 world wars and the Cold War conflict.

We could also say that between the 70s and 80s it was the technological prelude to 'formalize' or 'consolidate' in the 90s in culture and society in the world.
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>>16838710
the 90s had the economy of the 50s but not the decent trad culture of it. it was still the decaying rotten culture we've had since the 60s. with or without 9/11 we would've been in the same shit we're in now, and the woke shit probably would've started earlier without the 10 years of "unity" in the 00s.

and honestly I don't want it back. the cost of that economy and lifestyle of 1945-2001 was the death of hundreds of millions of europeans in the two deadliest wars in history. it's not worth it
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>>16838740
Nah 90s culture was far more irreverent and off-color compared to anything in modern woke culture. What was considered liberal television at the time openly mocked ideas like political correctness. Our current cultural paradigm is a direct result of 9/11 causing a hyper-patriotic fallout that the left leveraged against for support following Bush going full retard in 2003 and 2005. Modern liberalism would basically be unrecognizable without 9/11 and was a completely different beast in the 90s.
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>>16838764
Aging boomer and Gen Xer liberals like Bill Maher are now complaining wokeshit sucks and the 90s when they could say whatever they wanted was a lot better.
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>>16838712
>I think all the good music from the late 90s is stuff that never made it in the US. stuff like trance, progressive house, drum and bass, eurohouse.
Americans generally don't like or respect EDM or house.
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>>16838764
the modern woke PC shit are ideas that stemmed from the Enlightenment and later the 60s with the Civil Rights movement and lots of other laws passed at the time. and the liberals of the 60s led to the liberals of the 90s which led to the liberals of today. shit like shit didn't just magically start after 9/11 or the Recession. that's not how movements start and evolve.
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>>16838845
Yes but so is modern conservatism. You can take any ideology back to developments from the Enlightenment, the direction they ended up taking is still tied to historical events along the way. 90s liberalism was extremely sarcastic, sardonic, and "who gives a fuck, stop bitching". 9/11 planted the cultural seed that would allow it to evolve into "I give a fuck and AM bitching".
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>>16838740
>the 90s had the economy of the 50s but not the decent trad culture of it.

the 90s had a more family friendly culture than the preceding two decades, actually there was a huge explosion in kid culture and products being marketed to children
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>>16828132
American Freedom was murdered on 9/11. It's impossible to convey just how much more free and open every aspect of society, art and even the "media" were up to that point. However, every year since has seen exponential growth in fear mongering, militarism, globalism and the loss of personal freedoms. All forms of Cultural output stalled and began to rot, as well. No one even wrote a good song to memorialize it. Even the fire fighters got Jewed on their benefits. That's not even counting all of the proof and evidence to prove it was an inside job from the start. Life was good before. It's not anymore, and likely won't be again.

Millennials, Zoomers and Alphas are unironically too fat, dumb, broke and lazy to care, or keep it from getting worse. On the contrary, they're the most conformist, unoriginal, and homogenized groups in History. It really is amazing how we're now going on almost 3 generations of artistic, scientific and technological stagnation. That's not the sort of thing you turn around over night. It takes generations to get it back.

We're fooked m8s.

"Rage against the dying of the Light!" (none of the people I mentioned will get this reference)
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>>16838886
>actually there was a huge explosion in kid culture and products being marketed to children
that's just consoomerism, not traditionalism. and that ended up creating the hyper-consoomeriszed millennial generation.
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>>16838925
I didn't say it wasn't consumerism, just that the 90s was more family-friendly than the 70s-80s and a bit less degenerate before degeneracy ramped up again hard in the 2000s
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>>16838230
The vast majority of millennials were underage during 9/11 and a big chunk were still underage in 2008, how is going to war and living through a recession having it good? The neo boomers are gen xers, they're known as the "me me me" generation, they lived through complete peace and prosperity
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>>16835521
You are an absolute retard. I mean REALLY FUCKING STUPID if you think that the patriot act was a good thing. I would strangle you with my bare hands if I could.
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>>16835866
You could have bought a house in 2009 or 2010 or pennies on the dollar
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>>16838979
You've made no arguments you're just a contrarian, raging terminally online faggot. You have made no attempts to even describe what the patriot act was.
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>>16838989
Imagine defending the patriot act. You literally have 3 letter glow nigger cock in your mouth
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>>16839004
I'm not defending it, but it's a bold claim to say that it wiped out "half of our freedoms" with literally nothing to actually back that claim up. Spend a little bit more time outside please
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>>16838887
Cope, boomers are the fattest generation statistically
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>>16827514
>>16827533
Not including 9/11, the War on Terror, and Bush?
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>>16838982
Yeah if you had the money to, which most people didn't because the entire economy was fucked.
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>>16838462
I think the 90s are overshadowed by the early 00s, which is another period only liked by millennials and zoomers but I think it will age well in the future, it feels very iconic
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>>16839056
well the early 00s has basically been redefined to "the 00s minus 2008-2009". it was a forgettable decade. maybe good in a "so bad it's good" way like the 70s
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>>16839056
The early 2000s were heavenly to me as a kid who grew up in the ghetto. The local PDs began to militarize and give out RICO charges like they were candy. So many worthless cholo gangbangers and drug dealers got locked up and it directly led to the safety of the 2010s.
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>>16839060
It was anything but forgettable, it completely destroyed the world as we knew it forever. We no longer felt safe or invincible, the internet changed communication, entertainment and was the start of killing off the old media. We were the most patriotic and united as a nation as we'll ever be and will most likely never be again
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>>16839132
>and it directly led to the safety of the 2010s
Uh...
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>>16839138
american "patriotism" is nothing more than dying for bankers' wars. always was.
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>>16838887
free speech is a meme and never actually existed. the only time "freedom" exists is when the government is no under threat. if you supported Germany in the 40s or were against the war you would've been cancelled and have your life ruined just like today.

free speech is dying because people are waking up and the government feels threatened.
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>>16839155
ok fine we had about 8 or so years before crimeshit started all over again. at least it was a little something, right?
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>>16839155
>image from 2019-2020
Yes the 2010s were safe until they ended. Thanks for agreeing with me.
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Decades Tier List
>S
1990s
>A
1950s, 1900s, 1890s
>B
1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1880s, 1870s, 1860s, 2000s, 1790s, 1780s, 1770s
>C
2010s, 1830s, 1820s
>D
1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1750s
>F
2020s, 1910s, 1850s, 1840s, 1810s, 1800s, 1760s
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>>16839155
>2010s
This pic is from the 2020s dumbfuck.
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>>16840058
>2010s C
>1920s D
The 20s were great and B-tier at the very least, putting them in the same category as the 30s is absurd. The 30s should also be in F-tier because it was an extremely harsh decade to live through with basically no upsides compared to what had come before or what would come after.

The 2010s saw rapid polarization of society with an economy that only barely managed to get back on its feet by the end of the decade and entertainment standards cratering across the board. It's D-tier at least.
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>>16827514
you have no idea what was taken on September 11th 2001
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>>16838509
I feel like the Nostalgia for these decades has merit, but really the “good times” were very specific years
>80s—1984–1989
>90s—1995(?)—2001 (unless you were affected by NAFTA)
And so on
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>>16840288
>an economy that only barely managed to get back on its feet by the end of the decade and
Thanks, Trump?
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>>16840288
>and entertainment standards cratering across the board

the 2008 recession gutted a lot of stuff and made everyone extremely risk adverse
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>>16840058
>1860s
>B
nigga what are you doing?
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>>16836188
Hipsters, goths and some other subcultures seem to partake in nostalgia from the 1850s-1950s no problem.
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>>16836172
I feel you. I was born in 97 but somehow looking at stuff from the late nineties to early 2000s, when my earliest memory is probably Christmas 2000, feels like, I don’t know, home?
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>>16840507
Only 1990 was a notably off-kilter year in the 90s really, there was a brief recession then. While it continued into early 1991, the collapsing Soviet Union took attention off of it. 1991 - 2001 was basically just a solid uninterrupted decade of economic prosperity and geopolitical dominance.
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>>16840599
I still feel like 90s nostalgia is mostly contained to the latter part of the decade, 1990-91 still kind of felt like the 80s of course, so I think most of the nostalgia is for the Y2K kind of period, sort of post 95. Just my perception.
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>>16840672
A ton of 90s nostalgia is focused around the alt rock and grunge resurgence was was at its peak in 1991 - 1995 though.
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>>16840776
I think it depends on generation. It used to be 90s nostalgia was grunge and alt-rock, but now I think it’s shifted to the late nineties due to Zoomers
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>>16840784
That's kind of fair I guess, but I think people will ultimately look back on the decade more as a whole as we move further away from trends based on specific periods from it. My point though was more that the "good times" of the 90s were the entire decade regardless and not just the latter half, even if that's what's in focus right now. There wasn't really a low point in that decade so much as a continued ramp upwards, which is why optimism was so palpably high by the end of it.
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>>16840797
I mostly agree, though I think while there was relative prosperity, Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan were hitting on something with their campaigns in 92 and 96 like prophets of the future (Trump)
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the recession that began in 1990 had ended by 92 but economic growth remained sluggish until at least 95, and this was principally what cost Bush his reelection bid
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>>16840288
>The 30s should also be in F-tier because it was an extremely harsh decade to live through with basically no upsides compared to what had come before or what would come after
the 30s in my country wasn't really that bad whereas 1940 to 89 was extremely harsh and brutal with basically no upsides
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>>16827499
>1999 was 25 years ago
NO NO NO NOT YET FUCK YOU AAAAAAAAAH
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>tfw no Homeworld thread

>tfw yuo no faec
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>>16834770
>Those shitholes spent the previous century or two trying to ruin Europe with their autistic shit and the chickens finally came home to roost.
Its not like the Balkans just came out of a 5 century Ottoman rule and eastern Europe alongside Balkan got decimated by two brutal unprovoked wars by western Europeans.
WW2 where 50 million south and eastern Europeans died due to western madness and every town and village got destroyed is yet to recover from that century.

It honestly makes me happy when I see niggers, faggots, arabs and jeets destroying your comfy lives
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>>16841453
>unprovoked wars
world would've been an infinitely better place if goatfuckers just kept that whole area, jesus christ, you're THE agent of chaos that should've never gotten out of quarantine
>It honestly makes me happy when I see niggers, faggots, arabs and jeets destroying your comfy lives
YOU ARE THOSE NIGGERS, YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST INCARCERATION RATE ABOVE NIGGERS HOLY FUCK
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>>16840058
the 90s were the worst decade of the 20th century. any decade prior to the 60s is better in shit that actually matters (divorce rates, religion, white population, etc.)

>but muh 90s were better because I can consoom cheap plastic toys
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>>16840058
decades didn't exist before the 1920s. culture before WW1 evolved at a century's pace before that.
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>>16841863
>culture before WW1 evolved at a century's pace before that
Bullshit, even as early as the 1850's to the 1860's, culture was pretty distinct from one decade to the next
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>>16827514
Mate, the planet Earth and humanity as a society and collective died in December 31th, 1998.
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>>16841863
After the 1790s, that isn't true. Even in the 1810s there was the 'Era of Good Feelings'.
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>>16827499
>let's talk about the 90s
>kills yet another form of bodily autonomy through marketing and with the internet, easily accessible pornography
A bit of weird reply I know, but it's vexing to me that throughout most of history and the 20th century, pubic hair grooming was not observed.

However, between 1980 and 1999, a series of marketing campaigns, technological advancements, and continuing shifting attitudes about sex springing off from the sexual revolution of the 1960s and 70s caused a rapid cultural movement to the point where today, in almost every first world country, it is expected the a man trims his pubic hair and that a woman is clean shaven.
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>>16839019
Not a Boomer, but even they were good looking in their Youth. They're old now, so it's expected they be fat. You also side stepped every point I made, which only confirms their validity.
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>>16839167
wrong. there were plenty of pro-German Americans during the war. No one could be "cancelled" across all aspects of their life. Nothing was on film, or recorded like they are now and nobody could/would go digging through your "Social Media" posts. There were no phones to track your every move. There were no drones. There were no Redditors. There were not bots. You have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever.
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>>16842959
Being pro-German people is not the same as being a Nazi. Most Germans that came to America came for freedom and opportunity. The old country for Germans in America were from kingdoms not modern states. Nazism and socialism for most Germans went against the more conservative and religious German Americans.
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>>16841503
Holy fuck what a delusional faggot
Btw never forget that you and your people deserve everything that's happening to you right now
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>>16843270
So are you, zigger
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I was 16 in 1999. Coming of age if you will. Of course, at that age, you don't appreciate things or have life experience or perspective. I am English but went to Florida on holiday that year. America seemed to be an indestructible land of milk and honey. OK, I was just a young tourist in Disney town so can't speak for the rest of America. But I do remember feeling something in the air at that time. Hard to explain. Maybe it was partly due to culture shock, but America seemed to be just brimming with money and confidence. It was just a feel good vibe wherever you went. Britney and Christina on the radio, The Phantom Menace and Matrix on the big screen. That's just nostalgia I guess. The UK was just starting down the slippery slope thanks to Tony Blair but was still awesome as well.

I started my first full time office job the same week as 9/11. I look back now and realise I was at a very important age at a truly pivotal moment in history. 9/11 changed everything, you could feel it almost overnight. And that was the whole point, I think. The 21st century, in its entirity, has been a diabolical shitshow compared to the 90s. I'm genuinely so grateful I got to grow up then. Zoomers could never understand what they've been deprived of, I feel so sorry for them. When I look at the West now and look just how far it's fallen in just 25 years...man.
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SKIBIDI TOILET
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>>16828132
>9/11 is often brough up as THE event that changed it all to the worse and "derailed history"
It was actually the 2000 Presidential Election
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>>16830650
Diana died in '97
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>>16828132
Basically it ended the "end of history" Pax Americana era. More specifically the Iraq war which I guess is seen as an inevitable result of Bush and the neocons being in office while 9/11 happened. The Iraq invasion strained or alienated allied relations, taught everyone else the US hadn't changed from the Cold War at all, proved international law did not apply to the west and took away any moral authority the US might have had to oppose anyone else's aggression. It set the world on the track to the "multiploar" neo cold war shit we're on a one way train to now.

>>16845485
Nah 9/11 is what gave the neocons a blank check to do everything they ever dreamed of. The country could have got back on track after one close election fudged from shitty butterfly ballots in florida
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>>16827499
>The first question that comes to my mind is how did the United States later bungle having such an overwhelmingly powerful geopolitical and economic dominance of the world? I think people who are too young to remember the 90s don't realize just how powerful the USA's position was in that era. Their military had a deserved aura of invincibility too.
Born in 97 here. From my perspective, 9/11, boomers, and evangelical Christians. Boomers basically got handed this country free of charge in a silver platter after all the really shitty parts relating to making America a super power already occurred. They started out privileged and have done everything they possibly can to remain so, at the expense of everyone else. 9/11 set off a chain of events which gradually granted our government more power than it needed to combat global terrorism, GROSSLY inflated our defense budget and started the cycle of the news trying to always make you scared. Evangelical Christians are probably the biggest detriment to this country. They vote with their feelings instead of their minds and that's by design. An entire political party has been spending decades ensuring that they're perpetually scared and ignorant (Really their vision for the entire country) and it works. Christianity by its nature discourages critical thinking which is why its so important that you buy into the doctrine. So that you're always placing your faith in authority instead of thinking about what they say or do. The right basically has spent a pretty considerable amount of time fermenting this reactionary voter base that'll believe in conspiracy theories before they start considering that the data presented to them isn't a lie and that they're actively being grifted.
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5 years old. My godfather took me to see The Phantom Menace the year before he passed away. Grew up watching Toonami and played PS1.
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>>16845742
>The right basically has spent a pretty considerable amount of time fermenting this reactionary voter base that'll believe in conspiracy theories before they start considering that the data presented to them isn't a lie and that they're actively being grifted.
I think this is yet another gift from the Neocons. NOBODY likes neocons now, but back when Iraq happened and polarized the country the rank and file republicans rallied around the flag trusting that Iraq was all going to go well and it wouldn't be Vietnam 2.0 and if we can just stand up to those darn liberals before they stab the country in the back again with their hippy bullshit we can win this thing and be flag-emblazoned eagle-tears protagonists of the world. Of course it all turned out to be a huge lie that even they caught onto eventually as the troops came home in defeat and the heartland of America was still the rusted-out jobless, hopeless shithole it had been since the final triumph of neoliberalism in the 80's and 90's and I think it broke their brains and drove them schizo. That's why the Republicans can't find anyone other than Trump to run for president now, he's the only one they trust and Trump's own personal and political failures just reinforce their image of him as the outsider savior.

The "left" in America became deranged too I think around 2012 or so. Mostly because of Obama's failure to wave his magic wand and transform the ugly neoliberal hellscape of America in a nice, comfy European-style social democracy with socialized healthcare and walkable cities and a free green cookie for everyone on St. Patrick's Day. So they dove head first into the well of racial and sexual intersectionalism idpol to explain why everything still sucks and never came back up.
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>>16845804
>So they dove head first into the well of racial and sexual intersectionalism idpol to explain why everything still sucks and never came back up.
Is that really a crazy move to make though? Your opposition is openly saying it hates and wants to maim, kill, and deprive people of rights and even though previous elections didn't make this a reality, I think that enough people have unfortunately been primed and indoctrinated that it could plausibly happen in our lives times. If the name of the game is "get votes" then why would you NOT appeal to the people that your opposition is demonizing? I also don't think the idpol stuff is unnecessary. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave but we're supposed to be scared that gay people can get married? A country that's scared of gay men doesn't sound like a very domineering nation to me.
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>>16838820
And yet, we had an electronica explosion here in the late 90s. I remember going down to Tower records in the mall to get Aphex Twin and Chemical Brothers records.
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>>16828192
You are my age, basically. What was the music scene in your country like? Here it was the last vestiges of grunge into nu metal and electronic music was taking off. You exported Brit Pop here with vary degrees of success but I knew a few kids into Oasis and Blur.
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>>16839163
Oh well, I guess Thomas Jefferson should have laid his rifle down, then.
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>>16838636
I love 80s hardcore punk and was gonna disagree with you, but shit you’re right…
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>>16846464
Thomas Jefferson wasn't a soldier though. He was one of the rich elite we were dying for.
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>>16846453
he meant actual electronic like house dnb or trance
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>>16846461
Hello friend. There are a lot of parallels between British and American culture and in many ways it's a shared culture. I noticed some differences back then.

For example I think grunge was a much bigger 'thing' in the states because over here m the alternative rock cross over with the house clib scene that really exploded in the early 90s that then morphed into 90s rock through the likes of the Stone Roses and then Oasis. By the end of the 90s though most of my friends had sadly moved onto jungle or drum and bass or worse, garage music and the 25 year mass worship of violent and inane 'black' culture began.

In 1998 I was drinking down the pub with my school mates on a Friday singing 'Live Forever ' at the end of the night. Within a year it was So Solid Crew. Fucking grim.
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>>16845804
>in a nice, comfy European-style social democracy with socialized healthcare and walkable cities and a free green cookie for everyone on St. Patrick's Day
Have they been to Paris or Stockholm lately? It looks like Mogadishu there.



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