We lived to see the Catholic church go back to paganism to appeal to "cultural diversity and expressions"... top kek
>>17270420>go back
>>17270420You’re just a racist prottie. The pearl-clutching over Mesoamerican and indigenous inculturation in the liturgy is just straight-up, old-fashioned racism. When Rome adopts Greco-Roman, Germanic or Nordic pagan stuff, it's "baptizing culture!" But only white Euro-paganism can be "baptized" apparently.
>>17270420>go backlolthey always worshiped and prayed to statues, idols, saints, Mary Catholicism just took Greco-Roman Paganism, removed the tolerance of gays, and replaced Pagan figures with Jewish ones
>>17270439There is a clear distinction between baptizing traditional and keeping literal idol worship. I bet you would have an "Aztec Liturgy" with a human sacrifice on a pyramid as "inculturation" lmaoChristmas trees being taken from paganism and changed to symbolize eternal life is a good example of proper baptising of culture. The problem with Catholicism is it's not organic and is top-down with an agenda. I'm not a prot anyways. You realize that we Orthodox have stron if not stronger objections to post-vatican Ii Catholicism
>>17270457>the other schismatics are being racist today. There is no argument to be made against this where it isn’t just being contradictory because the same thing happened to European cultures. >human sacrificeBaseless racism still. Not all mesoamericans practiced human sacrifice and haven’t been done since they were converted. >Christmas trees are paganYou’re just a retarded racist lmao. Christmas trees are Lutheran Protestant invention. There is no pagan origin of the Christmas tree. You just a have a big sense of insecurity that Europe is becoming irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The Greatest waves of conversions and growth are in Africa and Asia but somehow they expect more attention to be paid to an increasingly apostatizing continent. Catholicism is universal and there is nothing wrong with including no European inculturation into the mass.
>>17270420They already said jew religion is the correct religion and that jesus isn't necessary anymore. Now instead of protecting Christendom like with crusades they say its a sin if you don't go along with their genocide of the people jesus came to save. puppets for the synagogue of satan is what they are which is a shame because trinity is truth
>>17270420As lobg they don't worship demons and idols, I do not care, we have a lot of these in Europe too. Spaniards actully translated the Bible to the indigenous languages so shurely during XVI-XVIII centuries the masses there had a lot of natuve aesthetic with Latin Mass methods and meanings.
>>17270420I literally can't find anything on this except from buttmad "tradcaths" schismatics.I can only surmise you yourself are a heretic and trying to corrupt this board with your filthy lies.
still beats when they spent half a century covering up child rape by their clergy out of embarrassment
>>17270493>Not all mesoamericans practiced human sacrifice haven’t been done since they were convertedI recall reading colonial era Mesoamerican accounts of people being sacrificed to Jesus and Spanish priests having to tell them not to do that lmao
>>17270594Lofton did a video on it, and he's the prime Vatican II popesplainer lolhttps://youtu.be/TkM2uN9b1T8?si=h6h1ZyMvu4FLLroZ
>>17270420Nobody cares aside from tradlarper teens who converted recently. Go back.
>>17270439This whole thing looks really bad, shady, and weak. The appeal of the Catholic Church is how they used to impose everything as THE TRUTH. The latin mass was the norm for 400 years and after Vatican II in less than 60 years, we have this fragmentation? the stuff you are talking about "baptizing culture" was an imposition against paganism, but now instead of imposing on others (religions should adopt our ways) we now have this assimilation internally (we adopt our ways to fit with other religions). Also ""Mayan""" """""""religion"""""""? How is that even a real thing? your intentions might be honest but don't get fooled, this is modernist infiltration, this is not a good thing
>>17270420And? Who fucking cares? Most of the world really doesn't care about your faggy larp shit at all. If the Church provides a roof over people's heads and feeds them, they can have Dionysian orgies for all I care
>>17270667>The church can’t baptize non-European paganism! Because it just can’t! Cope, Seething Eurotrash. Your continent apostatized and is growing increasingly irrelevant every year. >Mayan ReligionIt is a Mayan Rite not a religion. Since the most conversions are happening in Africa and Asia, in the future there will probably be new African Rites and Asian rites. There is no reason for them to adopt European traditions when that continent is irrelevant and no one on it practices the faith. The church is universal and you’re just being hypocritical. If yo want to maintain European traditions, go be a prot or EO. They don’t convert or have a baptizing culture where they adopt pagan stuff.
>>17270439>straight-up, old-fashioned racismBased!
>>17270725I'll pray for you
>>17270457Don’t tell Eurocentric orthodog anon what the Russian orthodox did in Alaska and the far east. >Tlingit totem poles with Orthodox cross.>Orthodox church and native "spirit houses" in a cemetery.
>>17270667>Also ""Mayan""" """""""religion"""""""? How is that even a real thing?It's simple really: as you might know, there are still Maya people around today, they didn't go extinct or disappear, contrary to what pop culture memes might tell you.Also contrary to what common misconceptions might tell you, the Maya DIDN'T get entirely assimilated by hispanic culture and religion and get turned into good catholic mexicans who happen to sometimes speak a weird language, they kept much of their religion, and up until the 20th century or so, many practiced syncretic religions with very heavy Mesoamerican pagan influences, including things like nahualism, patron spirits for villages and sometimes even pre-hispanic deities reimagined as angels or saints and animal sacrifice.
>>17270493>I know, I’ll call him racist
>>17270457The Orthodox Church is mostly irrelevant outside of Eastern Europe
>>17270439Dude, they eat people. People!!!!
>>17270958I'm pretty sure the Vatican-approved Mayan rite doesn't include human sacrificeand if the issue is that a religion ancestral to it had the custom, this is also true of Christianity (which grew out of Judaism, which grew out of ancient Canaanite religion)
>>17270967But people told me judaism came after christianity!!!!
>>17270594Here's a non-schizo source:>https:// www.exaudi.org/cardinal-arizmendi-indigenous-liturgical-adaptations/
>>17270667>The latin mass was the normthere were always more rites and forms than the Latin mass that are recognized by the church to this daymany ancient ones, they don't suddenly go away because you are communion with Romepeople with a passing familiarity with the religion don't generally know this
>>17270420>>17270667There always have been loads of rites, even from outside Europe.Latin mass is just another mass. THE TRUTH that matters is the Eucharist, not the rite used. If i go to India and go to syro malabar rite, i dont care that it looks different, i got the Eucharist.>>17270623Lets listen to the video then, the first few minutes explains the context:That specific region with mayans was catholic but they dont speak spanish nor they had easy access to priests. Evangelicals came and started to spread the usual anti catholic lies leading to entire villages turning and shunning those who dont convert to prot, making it become the less Catholic region in the country.So the Church first translated the rite to the various mayan languages some years ago, and now has some rite adaptations. As to inculturations, the Church always took in and baptized local customs, we have plenty of those. Evangelization of China was failed some centuries ago because they rejected making a china rite, the Jesuits making progress in the field wanted it, the Dominicans didnt, the pope sided with the dominicans, in hindsight it was probably wrong.All the e-drama about this is made by the usual websites.
>>17270950The Catholic church is mostly irelevant outside of Europe, it's diaspora, and some colonies
>>17271172I know. But it's a very weak excuse. You're going to give into paganism to combat evangelicalism?
>>17271184but european diaspora is far from irrelevant. it dominates both americas and australia, for instance.
>>17270958>Dude, they eat people. People!!!!That's Aztecs.
>>17271311Oh
>>17271172No joke I think the State Department shoving evangelicalism up Latin America's ass might be the only thing that can force the Church to actually adapt to the reality on the ground. Russia banned American prottie missionaries for a good reason.
>>17270446>Tolerance of GaysThey were as tolerant of gays as Modern Niggas are
>>17271311No, the Maya practiced ritual cannibalism as well. It was a reocurring element of wider Mesoamerican religion, as was pretty much all the other things people tend to foolishly single out the Aztecs for.
>>17271426So relatively pretty tolerant?
I wouldn’t mind the whole world being catholic if all ethnic groups are allowed to have their own rite and maintain their culture
Catholics here will cry about this but try to justify Christianity bending over to justify Eating Pork At least with Alcohol Jewish Laws only forbid getting drunk
>>17270420Are catholics on this board protestants who thought Catholicism would be about hating brown people?
The Vatican has approved the Mayan rite of Mass for areas of Mexico, involving: 1. “Ritual dances.” 2. Women performing the “ministry of incense bearers” in Mass “instead of priest.”3. Men/women leading some Mass parts as “principal” In a few years there will be more people attending this than the TLM does globally. Lmao! Tradlarpers BTFOed
>>17270420>go back to paganismChristianity started as a greco-roman bastardization of Nazarenism.
>>17271541Chill holmes, eh? Gringos don't understand that religion is peace, maan. You can do whatever, maan. Why do you think holy mother, Mary, would be angry? Fuckaz like you think you know better than Goddess.
>>17271568Nooo, it just has to fit into my late 18th and 19th century Roman rite mold or it’s pagan!’ >>17271505No they just aren’t Christians. They don't care about making disciples of all nations, but only about 19th-century tchotchke devotionalism.
>>17270446We don’t pray to the saints, idols or statues.We honor the person represented by the statue.>>17270457Christmas trees were taken from paradise trees which would be in Adam and Eve plays on the 23rd of December>>17271554Christianity is the continuation of the faith of Abraham
>>17271599Pray with me, ese. Dearest Mary, thou art in heaven. Thou shall not worship false gods, only mother superior.Woa-men.
>>17271628Dearest Mary, thou art in heaven. Thou shall not worship false gods, only mother superior. Please bless me with even a small droplet of your holy breast milk. It is my deepest desire to be granted the same breast milk that nourished Jesus. Woa-men
>>17271676Now you get it, amigo! Oh maan, i'm so happy my hombre is Catholic too. Remember to beware of false prophets!
chuddies like you are the reason that the whole of china isnt catholic today
>>17270439Racism is a good, healthy thing.
>>17270420Banning the Bosnian Rite and siccing the bloodthirsty Magyar savage on them is why Bosnia had no issues going Muslim when the Turks showed up and offered freedomThis is only a good thing
>>17270958The Eucharist is eating flesh and drinking bloodDo you people even understand Christianity
>>17270439Spbp>>17271745>I love racism!>BUT DONT YOU EVER EVER SAY SOMETHING ANTI WHITEretarded/pol/tranny
>>17271627I've seen Mexicans crawl through snow and ice to bow at and kiss the feet of a virgin Mary statue
>>17272108Dude, bread is bread and wine is wine!!! You don't get those from a dead human bean you idiot!!!!!! Look at how stupid you are!!!!!!!!!!!
>>17272155Doesn’t mean anything
>>17272216It's worship my man. The current pope told you to stop worshipping Mary
>>17270420>jesuit does as jesuits have always doneTo the surprise of absolutely nobody familiar with them.
>>17270420Prots utterly vindicated. Why is he the antipope bros?
>>17272226Doesn’t mean the Catholic doctrine supports the worship of saints
>>17270420Trads when Mesoamerican Inculturation: "NOOOOO Pachamama Paganism!!!!!!"Trads when Leo X parades statues of Venus, Mars and Athena in his papal coronation procession: *crickets*
>>17272304It happened at an official church event. They allow to happen and made Marian ideals official. When John Paul 2nd got shot he prayed to Mary first and foremost.
>>17271184>The Catholic church is mostly irelevant outside of Europe, it's diaspora, and some colonies...>also most of the america continent that's still mostly catholics... >also the rest of the world where protestantism is still a minority...>yeah, the catholic church is mostly irrelevant if you don't count 50% of the worldthe state of the protestants...
>>17270420Liberation theology nigga.
>>17272306>Trads when Leo X parades statues of Venus, Mars and Athena in his papal coronation procession: *crickets*What are you talking about? The catboi cult is constantly seething about this. They don't like what Bergoglio is doing here because it's Indio coded, and they don't like it when it's Aryan coded either, because both are explicitly racial as opposed to miscegenatory.
>>17272420ecumenic papist delusions
Christmas trees come from yule. You guys are actually retarded. Why do Christians literally just lie about everything? Christmas trees have pagan roots and literally everyone knows about this.
>>17270420All this is horse crap. Only non-religious people would give a fuck about this type of stuff.
