>>17274405
Jew

>>17274455
>resorts to name-calling because he can't refute

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>>17274471
the world is cruel why would God not be?

>>17274455
>points out that OP might be a Jew
>this somehow negates the fact that he just got btfo

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>>17274494
>somehow negates
Yes Judaism is not a cruel religion by any measure. lmao. All abrahamics should throw themselves into a woodchipper

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>>17274527
>Yes Judaism is not a cruel religion by any measure. lmao. All abrahamics should throw themselves into a woodchipper
The reason I left out Judaism because it traditionally does not have a concept of eternal torment like Islam/Christianity. At least in Judaism, death is the end of your struggles no matter what.

I used to think like you, and I still agree that life is cruel and competitive.
But there is some beauty to that system that you described.
>only the worthy shall inherit the earth.
Clearly goes against Jesus, who said that the meek shall inherit the earth.

Reading Nietzche made realize there is no escape from this torment but to embrace it, and fight through it to get to coconut. If you dont fight through it, you might aswell kill yourself, because there is 0 chances youll get the coconut, in fact you will suffer alot.
There are no choices but to kill your gods and move forward to achieve greatness.
Even if the gods were real, I have a hunch they will fucking hate you with all their spirit for being a meek weak, boring faggot without no individuality and desires.

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>>17274572
>Claims to have read Nietzche
>Still absurdly egotistical
Looks like you need to try reading it again if you came away with that level of self-adoration.

>>17274607
If you ever have children, teach them your philosophy so my children can rule over them.

>>17274607
That guy sounds like a fag and a weirdo.

>>17274848
Well he’s posting on the incel site so

>>17274857
oh lol didn't realize that.

>>17274471
>”Jew” is name calling
Yep, that’s a Jew

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>>17274405
If such speck as our existence, such morsel of any pain, against the breadth of the infinite is enough for one to spit at God High most lovely, and proves by one's light to be better than any infinite, than such madness to be sure is its own reward. What are years to any child of the endless track? What is pain to any loved by Love Itself?

>>17275068
You sound like a North Korean.

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>>17275086
But you, dumb and blind.

>>17274405
Why do yt ppl think this is funny or shocking you could just as easily make memes like this of the hundreds of white people murked by blacks every year and exhibit a far angryer response

>>17275089
What's dumb and blind is believing in a confirmed false prophet and worshiping him as God. Something something head who was fatally wounded and survived something something signs and wonders something something false prophet who demanded worship of its image something something man of lawlessness something something son of perdition.

>>17275117
I really wish you could see and thus be free, but no one can love God for you, only you can do that. What men hold unto most, their own pride, their resentment, is precisely what keeps them from seeing the truth. I urge you to flush such turds and run to God. Please do.

>>17274542
someone never read the Book of Enoch

>>17275169
Loving God is taking him seriously. The first thing is believing the warnings of the Torah, which says that false prophets like Jesus deserve death.

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>>17275304
Jesus Christ prophesied the destruction of the 2nd Temple, and that's exactly what happened in 70 AD, as St. Daniel in turn also predicted. Your inability to accept such an obvious fact is not helping your case much:
>Because of certain statements Jesus made, some have thought he predicted the end of the world in his own day—wrongly, since the world didn’t end. One statement is that “this generation will not pass away” before the events of the Olivet Discourse take place (Mark 13:30). However, Jesus wasn’t predicting the end of the world. When read in context, this statement referred to the events leading up to the destruction of the Jerusalem temple in A.D. 70.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/jesus-botched-predicting-the-end-times

>>17275342
Funny how none of the Gospels were written down until after the destruction of the Temple. Awesome prediction.

I predict the Twan Towers will fall in September of 2001. Boom! Prophecy.

>>17274572
>Reading Nietzche made realize there is no escape from this torment but to embrace it, and fight through it to get to coconut. If you dont fight through it, you might aswell kill yourself
Where does he say this

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>>17275391
You're certainly free to believe that, but those books were indeed written before 70 A.D., yet even if we were to grant that they weren't, you still have the problem that Daniel ALSO accurately predicts not only the destruction of the temple, but Jesus' own coming, which Christ directly quotes:
>So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. - Matthew 24:15-21
So you have to rationalize away not only the Gospels, but many parts of the OT too, which very obviously predate 70 AD.

>>17275437
2 Thessalonians and Mark also says that the abomination of desolation leads to the return of Jesus. Didn't happen. False prophet.

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>>17275218
>Hurr my favorite Reddit ancient Jew fan fiction book
If you weren’t a midwit, you’d know that basically no modern Rabbinic Jews accept the Book of Enoch. Neither do most Christians. Weirdly enough, Muslims kind of do accept the Enoch story.

Tho, if anything, Enoch is a great representation for how religions change. The Enoch stories were fundamental in forming ancient Judaism and the New Testament itself. Despite being a foundational book, Jews and Christians later rejected it while keeping all the books that were influenced by the Book of Enoch. The fact that Christians kicked Enoch out of the Bible but kept Revelations (which is basically schizo Enoch fan fiction) is funny as shit in hindsight.

Oh well, what can you do when you assemble a book of fan fiction slowly over like 800 years.

>>17275454
Burying one's head is precisely what keeps one dumb and blind. Again, you will need to rationalize away many, many parts of the OT too.
>Another statement also occurs in the Olivet Discourse, when Jesus describes the coming events and says, “And then they will see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send out the angels, and gather his elect from the four winds” (Mark 13:26-27).

>Since Jesus will return from heaven at the end of the world (Acts 1:11), many have understood this as a reference to the Second Coming. And, because prophecy can have more than one fulfillment, it may point to the Second Coming. However, this wasn’t what it referred to in the events leading up to the destruction of the temple.

>Part of the confusion is caused by the fact that many only study their Bibles and don’t read the historical sources that reveal what happened when Jesus’ words were fulfilled...
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/jesus-botched-predicting-the-end-times

>>17275464
>no modern Rabbinic Jews accept the Book of Enoch
>Neither do most Christians

I missed the part where that was my problem.

You said traditionally, well it's hard to get more traditional than a document that was widely read while the 2nd Temple was still standing.

>>17275437
>You're certainly free to believe that, but those books were indeed written before 70 A.D., yet even if we were to grant that they weren't, you still have the problem that Daniel ALSO accurately predicts not only the destruction of the temple,
You have to do really wonky math to make this fit. I’m well aware, and it is, frankly, bullshit. You can make any number fit another number if you play with it enough.
>but Jesus' own coming, which Christ directly quotes:
It really doesn’t. Best I’ve ever seen is still like 30 years off.
>So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
This is the author of Daniel “predicting” Antiochus defiling the temple, which, by our best estimates, was something the author of Daniel was living through at the time of writing (or shortly after).
>Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. - Matthew 24:15-21
Really nothing interesting about this segment. “War sucks for moms.” “War is worse when it’s cold.” Real groundbreaking stuff here.
>So you have to rationalize away not only the Gospels, but many parts of the OT too, which very obviously predate 70 AD.
You’re retrofitting Daniel to fit future events that it wasn’t even describing.

>>17275499
>You have to do really wonky math to make this fit.
NTA
There's not really any math involved at all.

The only, read there is absolutely no other, reason secular scholarship settled on the date of 70 AD as the very earliest the gospels could be written is because that's when the 2nd Temple was destroyed and Jesus is written as having predicted it.

Obviously they consider that to be impossible, as if there's no way he could have seen it coming what with the whole military occupation thing, and prophecy is assumed to be impossible because it's spooky. Despite there being examples of it happening, these are written off as pure coincidence.

Therefore it must have been written after the Temple was destroyed.
Which is funny, because the whole point of a prophecy is to predict an event happening *before* it does and letting people know it's coming so when it does they know you have the gift.
While a prophecy that was written before 70 AD would be convincing, one that only appears after the event took place would not be.
Seeing as this is obvious, there would be no reason to invent such a thing if they were trying to convince people that Jesus was a prophet.

The early Christians were clearly saying the Temple would be destroyed before it was, they didn't start saying that Jesus predicted it only after it happened. That would defeat the whole point.

Like someone saying they predicted the result of the election after it happens, and saying they just didn't tell anyone for reasons. That would be completely unbelievable and nobody does this.
Basically their logic is all fucked up and convoluted, it's backwards reasoning and purposed to merely insinuate that no Christian ever predicted the Temple's destruction before it actually happened.

>This is the author of Daniel “predicting” Antiochus defiling the temple, which, by our best estimates, was something the author of Daniel was living through at the time of writing (or shortly after).

Same logic.

>>17275499
Whatever verbal gymnastics you want to engage in, the dates are irrelevant, since Daniel ties the EVENT of the coming of the Messiah with everything Jesus came to do:
>Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
with the EVENT of His death:
>Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing
And terminates all possibility of any Messiah after 70 A.D. with the EVENT of the city's and temple's destruction:
>The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

>>17275536
To say nothing of Daniel 2 also predicting that this would occur during Roman rule and that the Church would from a little rock, Jesus Christ, but also St. Peter, grow to cover the entire earth.

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What I don't understand is - why isn't the bible more clear about hell? Infinite suffering, the worst possible fate anyone could possibly fathom, and all there is about it are a few lines about unquenching fire and worms and gnashing of teeth. That seems like it should be priority number one, and every single truly believing christian should be ripping their hair out 24/7 worrying about hell and trying to live as good a life as possible. Shit, if I really believed there was a nonzero chance that my son or daughter would burn in eternal fire, suffering in the absence of god's love and mercy 80 trillion years from now I just wouldn't have had any kids to begin with. Why would you if there's a chance they'll become swayed by a corrupt world and die in sin? Why go to work and live your life and take out loans and buy cars and go on vacation? There's an eternally burning lake of fire that you'll be condemned to if you fuck up - why not wear nothing but sackcloth and wall yourself up in a monastery and give up all your wealth if that's the case. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, why does the modern church try to DOWNPLAY hell and get wishy washy about what is or isn't a sin. Avoiding eternal, infinite agony should be priority number one but 99.9% of christians don't seem to care very much.

Hell is merciful and just.
There are things people have done that are so absolutely heinous, such an absolute desecration of the image of God that men are made in, that simple annihilation would not be sufficient justice to those they have harmed.

Truly such a transgression is not made only against other people, but the God himself which made them.
And to raise up your hand against a power so infinite, is to incur a wrath equally boundless.

>>17275694
>all there is about it are a few lines
Jesus talks more about hell than he does heaven.

>every single truly believing christian should be ripping their hair out 24/7 worrying about hell
Worrying won't save you.
Christians don't live a good life to avoid hell, they do these things because Jesus told them to.

>Shit, if I really believed there was a nonzero chance that my son or daughter would burn in eternal fire, suffering in the absence of god's love and mercy 80 trillion years from now I just wouldn't have had any kids to begin with.

You're missing the point.
Might as well not ever breed because there is suffering on Earth too.
Like I said earlier, hell is another manifestation of God's mercy.

>wall yourself up in a monastery and give up all your wealth
Not the worst idea, but that's not what saves you.

>why does the modern church try to DOWNPLAY hell
because they are under the impression that being scary is bad for winning converts
people have this bad habit of plugging their ears and closing their eyes when they see something disturbing, or hear unwelcome tidings
they can have a hard time accepting reality, there are many times I have seen this for myself in very

mundane matters, many would rather hold onto a pleasant lie than the harsh truth
they need to stick to the script more and pander less IMO

>>17274405
Both of those people were Christian tho. Also you're confusing Catholic grifting with actual salvation. The whole point of Jesus coming was to explain to us how we all fall short of the glory of God.

>>17275821
>You all fall short of God's glory?
>Why?
>Because a talking snake made a woman eat an apple

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>>17275391
Mark being the earliest Gospel is from 50 AD. Critical Scholars try to place it later than 70 AD because of the prediction of the Destruction of the Second Temple. Much like how they want to put the Book of Daniel after 300-200 BC because of its predictions of the coming empires.

>>17275778
jewish infested mind nigger think he is smart.

>>17275895
>Mark being the earliest Gospel

it's not
nobody ever claimed it was until the modern era
the first gospel is Matthew, and it was originally written in Aramaic

>>17274455
fpbp
>>17274471
there is nothing to refute

>>17276088
cope. He is right you know.

>>17274405
Lol so assmad you made a new thread. If life is so bad you have no reason not to kill yourself and leave.
>privileged Western perspective
Stop being brown and poor then nigger

Get over yourself. Life isn't fair. Put in work to better yourself and your life and stop crying like a woman because you have to do an incling of manual labor.

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>Christianity only makes sense from a privileged Western perspective where you have the education and time to sit around on your ass sipping coffee while you study God's word
Nope. The gospel message is very simple at its core and takes all of twenty seconds to give: Jesus Christ, God, incarnated and died for the sins of the world, and if you'll accept His sacrifice, you'll have eternal life. The depth of Christianity shows not only its true origins implicitly, but further adds appeal to those individuals who have time and resources to learn more about God.
>Christianity is cruel because Hell
People don't accidentally go to Hell. That's not how it works and no Christian ever has taught that.

>>17274455
Grow up. Labelling everyone who disagrees with you as a jew without offering any counter arguments is so boring and anti intellectual. You should be embarrassed.

>>17276813
Dare I say, it's a very zionist thing to do.

>>17276816
Yes there are parallels. Two cheeks of the same arse.

>>17276795
>People don't accidentally go to Hell. That's not how it works and no Christian ever has taught that.
They're destined to Hell. God wills it.

>>17276795
So niggers from a tribe on an island that doesn't communicate with normal world don't go to hell just because they don't believe in your retarded religion? Cool, that means neither will I.

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>>17276826
Go away, Calvinist.
>>17276827
Nice strawman, knuckle dragger. Why don't you at least pretend you've read a book since middle school at least.

>>17276851
>there are documented tribes who refuse to communicate with us
>strawman
christcucks will believe in sky jew but not the fact that some people are sick of their shit

>>17276851
For a Christian you don't speak to others in a very Christian way.

>>17276870
For a khazarian larper who's currently larping as white, I think he's talking to others in a very Christian way.

>>17276867
>He thinks its about belief in the case of an isolated tribe and not the fact that they can't know because of their isolation.
Ayylmaotheists truly are ignorant, just as the Scriptures say.
>>17276870
I speak to others lovingly when they are trying to learn or discuss faiths. Not when they come out insulting God and His holy Church because they're hedonists. There is no point in being a doormat when others insult God.

>>17276902
If your faith is correct, that includes isolated tribes, but of course, once I bring it up, you emotionally break down just like your non sequitur.
>I speak to others lovingly
you speak like a dumb nigger animal that has rabies and wants to take a bite out of my flesh at any given moment and needs to be put down asap

Only Christianity grants dignity to suffering.

>>17277410
Only christcucks are mentally ill enough to justify objectively pointless suffering, lel.

>>17277469
It's not pointless if you grow from it, doe. If you don't believe in the soul though, then yeah everything fucking sucks.

>>17277486
If souls are real, then religiontards are the ones who don't have them.

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>>17276795
>Nope. The gospel message is very simple at its core and takes all of twenty seconds to give
Wrongo, buddy. Read your Bible and try again.
>Depart from my presence. I never knew you.
Bible makes it clear that even a lot of people who think they’re Christian and say they’re Christian are still going to Hell. Womp, womp. You might be sure you’re a Christian too, but so was the guy who got told, “Depart from my presence.” How much is enough? Impossible to know until you die, and no take backsies. The whole thing is designed to keep you on the edge of your seat forever. You never know if you’re truly saved. That’s what the Bible says, not me.

Basically, if a meteor hit the planet right now, 6bil people would go to hell for not being Christian. Of the 2bil Christians, probably like 1/4 of them would still be told to “Depart.” So basically, heaven gets 1.5bil out 8bil, and that’s just the people on this planet right now.
>Nuh uh, you just have to show fruits.
How much fruit is enough? Oh, you have enough fruit, but what was your intention in your heart? Oh your heart’s intention was good? Impossible, your heart is evil. Oh, your heart was actually good this time? Well, what about your heart of hearts? Gotcha. Enjoy hell, bucko.
There’s another roadblock at every turn. Can’t let the believers get comfortable.
>Christianity is cruel because Hell
>People don't accidentally go to Hell. >That's not how it works and no Christian ever has taught that.
No, but the Bible does.
>The fool says to himself, “There is no god.”
So basically, atheists are just being stupid. And, of course, god made them stupid because he knit them in their mother’s womb. God decided to give atheists an 80IQ, so then they act foolish, become atheists, and go to hell accidentally because they’re just stupid fools.

Basically, god makes people retarded, and then sends them to hell when they do retarded shit because they’re retarded. It’s all so simple.

>>17277486
>It's not pointless if you grow from it, doe.
You don’t grow from suffering, retard. Sticking your hand on a stove hurts because it’s killing your cells. Your body doesn’t want to die, so it sends pain signals to your brain.

Too much suffering just means you die.

>>17277490
>We are literally fuarking atoms, xister.
Hi, reddit!

>>17278019
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>>17278019
>I can’t conceptualize the purpose of pain and suffering so I will just assume it’s spiritual
This is why religion has been shown to shut down your pre-frontal cortex. It’s all about emotions and completely detached from reality. It’s why churches are all full of single moms.

>>17278037
Buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords.

>>17278039
Cope.

>>17274405
Do consider NOT choosing the world instead of everlasting glory.

>>17278072
It sounds like the most Jewish scam to ever exist.
>Look, goy, just submit and tolerate abuse. There's an eternal paradise waiting for you if you do!
Meanwhile the Jews are dominating everything.

>>17274405
lol your sitting here fetishizing the limited state, definitely not sayin anything profound

You have perceptions of the eternal and the guarantee the pains of this life will end. You have the ability to love and know truth. To the enlightened mind any suffering is worth that.

Hell is a place you put yourself and this has been church doctrine for millennia

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>>17278251
This is pure schizo babble. This is how dumb youth pastors talk when they want to sound smart, but they’re too stupid to understand what being smart actually is. They think being smart is just saying incomprehensible word salad, because that’s what smart people sound like to them. It’s a dumb person’s idea of “talking smart.”

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>>17277996
>Bible makes it clear that even a lot of people who think they’re Christian and say they’re Christian are still going to Hell.
You inserted two words that the Scriptures don't imply: "a lot". Scripture says there are those, but doesn't give an quantitative amount. The whole context of that phrase is to warn people not to just say and do the right thing, but to love God first and foremost. It is a teaching against works based salvation.
>How much is enough?
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, body, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. These two are what the whole of the law and prophets rest on. Very easy to tell if you're not deluding yourself, the cheat sheet is given to you!
>The whole thing is designed to keep you on the edge of your seat forever.
>"If I can't 100% know something, it is designed to keep you engaged."
I guess by that logic you live every single day like it's the most intense roller coaster, huh? You and I both know you don't. You have routines you follow, but things can change at any moment. Besides, the Scriptures again tell you what to do. Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. It's really that simple.
>Basically, if a meteor hit the planet...
I don't care about your estimations since you're not God.
>How much fruit is enough?
As much fruit as you're able. Even if it is just crying to God on your deathbed, or a whole life of self-giving, it is enough for you. Trying to measure out how much is enough is not the point, because love doesn't keep score. It just wants to do.
>No, but the Bible does.
No, you think the Bible does because you twist it just like your father, the devi.
>...god made them stupid because he knit them in their mother’s womb.
Being stupid and being a fool are not the same thing. Not that you'd grasp that. A fool can be made of anyone, since we are imperfect and don't have all the information at hand all the time, and we have biases.
>god makes...
Calvinism is a heresy.

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>>17277302
>once I bring it up, you emotionally break down just like your non sequitur.
I didn't break down at all. You're delusional.

>>17278361
No it’s pretty clear

He’s mad he’s limited, he’s mad he’s in a limited world with free will with others and he’s not god. He’s choosing to focus on BS to make his malcontent seem justified. He’s fetishizing dead babies so he can feel good about being greater than a god who would create the human experience.

Instead of that he should be focusing on all the gifts he has been given and his capacity to know eternal truth. Unfortunately that requires humility as he genuinely thinks he deserves a brain or eyes.

Hell is a place you put yourself by the way you choose to live?

Now where did I lose you my ESL fedora fag friend as this is all easily comprehensible

The concept of hell with eternal infinite torture makes christianity automatically the most evil and twisted religion man has ever come up with. And if christianity is actually real, then we are all fucked because it would make us hopeless playthings of infinitely evil god. There really isn't even free will because infinite torture will override all sense of being in totality. Only thing you can do is to pray to that infinitely evil being that he will not decide to make you suffer from his infinite torment.

>>17278534
There are 2 options for how god can deal with kids who willfully choose to suffer by separating themselves from or attacking the firmament to existence.

He can snuff them out by removing their free will or he can allow them to eternally torture themselves. Both are terrifying to think of but those are the only 2 options if you want freely willed children and it’s far from evil unless you think god taking part in creation is evil (which you might)

>>17278559
It’s honestly a question of does god love you enough to let you kill yourself or is he gonna keep the faith you turn it around in a hell of your own making?

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>>17278433
>You inserted two words that the Scriptures don't imply: "a lot". Scripture says there are those, but doesn't give an quantitative amount.
Well, it is at least more than one, and it’s apparently enough of an issue that the Bible addresses it directly. It’s also impossible to know if you’re one of those.
>I guess by that logic you live every single day like it's the most intense roller coaster, huh?
Uh yeah, most people consider life to be a “rollercoaster” full of unpredictable highs and lows. Welcome to Earth, retard.
>Besides, the Scriptures again tell you what to do. Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.
Faith without works is dead. Enjoy hell, buddy.
>I don't care about your estimations since you're not God.
Sorry you’re too retarded to do simple algebra, buddy.
>Trying to measure out how much is enough is not the point, because love doesn't keep score. It just wants to do.
But god does. Read James, and prepare to “depart from his presence.”
>Being stupid and being a fool are not the same thing. Not that you'd grasp that.
Yes, it does you fat fucking retard. The Hebrew word for fool in Psalms (Nabal) literally fucking means a “stupid” person. You’re playing wordplay semantics when you don’t even understand the original language, just like all Protestant retards.
>A fool can be made of anyone, since we are imperfect and don't have all the information at hand all the time, and we have biases.
>Source: A bunch of shit you made up since you didn’t even bother Googling the original Hebrew.

Why are religious people so retarded? They contradict their own book when they try to defend it.

>>17278572
Dude you don’t believe in the Bible. You have no concept how it’s meant to be understood and you have no concept of coherent theology dividing along denominations in response to the symmetries existence gives us as to its nature. Your arguing in bad faith and bad technique, picking from different denomination opinions with no coherence in a vain attempt to poison any reasonable conversation

Please go fucking kill your self faggot

>>17278588
You're a schizophrenic idiot, which is the worst fate a man can suffer. If you were a genius your broken mind could raise you to great heights. Unfortunately it just makes you the insufferable worshiper of a book character.

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>>17278588
The reason there’s so many different “denominational lines” is because the Bible was written by a bunch of desert incels who never met each other and had different opinions. Then someone took all those writings, put them all together, made them one disjointed narrative, and claimed it’s “Divinely Inspired.” Which is why some books had to be added and some had to be removed to keep the narrative somewhat cobbled together.

All Christians don’t even use the same fucking Bible. Catholic Bibles are longer than Prot Bibles. Ethiopian Bibles are even longer than Catholic Bibles.

That’s why us “devilish atheists” can throw scriptures at you no matter what you say. Because the Bible constantly contradicts itself, and theologians have spent centuries trying to come up with pilpuls that somehow explain how these things fit together. The letters of Paul and the writings of James outright say opposite opinions at particular points, but we’re supposed to believe that god divinely inspired both of these things.

Btw, Paul say it is best to never be married and never fornicated, thus dying childless and ending your bloodline. Please heed the words of Paul and never reproduce. It would be doing the world a favor.

>>17278592
lol I’ve reached great heights in this limited human world. Can you say the same? No, you’re an angry little man, mad at the world for it evil while at the same time stroking your fucking dick to dead babies because it’s the only thing that makes you feel superior. Superior to even god, your wisdom and compassion know no bounds right? Or at least that’s what you tell yourself as you subsist on your indignation and supposed superiority to those who would claim the nature of existence is loving. Absolutely pathetic you craven little bastard, broken under the weight of his own being and thinks it’s an evolution that others are too scared to undergo. All the while you yourself are scared shitless, to the point of destroying actual debate, at the fact others have the strength to endure limited existence with a smile as they know they are blessed with love

Your honestly pathetic brother, spreading your willful ignorance and angst out of insecurity and anger at not being god

>>17278625
lol here. Is god above the self or is god the self? Depending on which answer you logically believe are 2 denominations of monotheism.

It’s insane how uneducated these fedora fags are man

>>17278640
And the answer to that question is a little bit of both from a limited viewpoint which is why different understandings are important as long as the initial assertion is good (god is loving etc) and the understanding remains coherent

>>17278635
Loo-hoo-serrr

>>17274455
when the first post is the best post bottom text

>>17278559
>He can snuff them out by removing their free will or he can allow them to eternally torture themselves. Both are terrifying to think of but those are the only 2 options if you want freely willed children and it’s far from evil unless you think god taking part in creation is evil (which you might)

It's as evil as a person who locks another person into his rape dungeon to be tortured with infinite pain for eternity because the victim didn't love him is evil. Or ate shrimp. But then again when the rape dungeon owner gets to define what is good and evil then I guess it really is not evil, and infinite torture for the crime of not loving the tormentor being is objectively and morally a good thing. And I'd tend to agree, not suffering from infinite torture is one of the better qualifications of something being objectively a good thing.

>>17278640
answer his question all your claim is shithole he prove your shithole claim is your opinion he give evidence not you.

>>17276118
no

>>17279709
lol “not loving him” is how god wants you to see it. In reality your willfully cutting yourself off from the only thing that could sustain you and so the suffering of the process of degeneration begins. It’s like willfully refusing to drink from a well because your to good for it then getting mad at the owner of the well when you suffer from dehydration.

Why is it so hard for you fedora fags to get hell is a place you put yourself (that may or may not end in your extinguishment)? Is it cause you have a rape fantasy or is it cause you abhor agency and couldn’t imagine being responsible for your own suffering? I swear man it’s weird because it’s a rather simple concept hell but you guys seem stuck on rape rather then the metaphysical and cosmological implications. Fucking weirdos

>>17274455
, that’s what Jesus was

>>17278512
So one whould be partial and only look at one (arguably small) part of reality? Nah retard, that guy’s right and you’re patently wrong.

>>17278588
You’re a pathetic obnoxious narcisist like all tripfags. Your criticism is vague and unsubstantiated.

>>17280552
lol you think limited suffering thrives in an eternal environment? It is maya and you (like him) are trapped in samsara. It’s a really simple thought, who wins in an eternal good or bad? The effective or the ineffective? Obviously the good and to transcend our limited state we have to see things as they really are, in the eternal sense and the love of god eternally overcomes our ignorance and limitations

>>17280562
No you're doing a new age mishmash of Christrannity? Stick with one fairytale at a time, retard.

>>17280555
My criticism will become more complex the second you have the IQ to present anything worth debating. As for now it’s been nothing but MUH DEAD BABIES and “duhhhh but if god good why bad thing happen!?”

Let’s see if you have some stones in you. Why is the concept of god evil for creating the human condition in the context of eternity? Explain to me why your so salty fedora fag

>>17280571
Don’t tell me how to fucking think you single digit IQ moron. So trapped in the carnal world of satan you have fallen to his ideology of god is evil for creating you. You see how that’s the same thing as saying trapped in samsara? Educated minds understand context and inference but that seems to be above brainlets such as yourself

>>17280577
> Explain to me why your so salty fedora fag
Wow, and you accuse others of being ESL, you can't even write in your mother tongue, retard. Isn't that somethign they could be teaching you in first or second grade?
>As for now it’s been nothing but MUH DEAD BABIES
Perfectly valid argument. If your beloved fairy man is perfect and pefectly good, it wouldn't make sense to create world where, before the industrial revoluton (so for almost the entirety of human histories), at least half of the people who ever existed, died before the age of 4, so before actually making any meaningful choices, while you believe that making a choice is so crucial to God's plan and its consequences are eternal in your retarded derange world view, you disgusting lunatic tripfag.
>duhhhh but if god good why bad thing happen!?”
Oh sure, if you write it in a stupid way it becomes a bad argument, right? What a pathetic clown you are, an intellectually bankrupt loser who can only appeal to emption and half baked mockery, what a complete lack of self awareness you have.

>>17280595
>You see how that’s the same thing as saying trapped in samsara?
Tha's not at all what trapped in Samsara means. You're a fucking pseud using words that sound exotic to your merry-mutt mind without understanding them at all.

>>17280410
> In reality your willfully cutting yourself off from the only thing that could sustain you and so the suffering of the process of degeneration begins
The only thing that can sustain you is food. Not the fairy godfather that only exists in your peanut brain.
In your shitty book God and his angels throw people in hel, God orders peopel to depart from him, it's not them going there on their own accord at all. No matter how much shitty theology and apology you consume on Youtube.

>>17280599
lol all that and nothing was said of value but your mad I won’t go into detail with you?

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW DEAD BABIES STAIN GODS GOODNESS IN THE CONTEXT OF ETERNITY??? Not a single one of you can because it’s fucking absurd. Explain to me how that experience for the 4 year old does anything to an immortal soul?

Explain to me how limited suffering has any effect on the goodness or evilness of eternal existence brother? And as you struggle hopefully you start to appreciate why intelligent minds laugh at your “but if god good why bad things happen?!” Because it’s a nonsensical thought in relation to an eternal god and his limited creation

>>17280604
lol but it does. Your fetishization of desire or suffering or happiness outside of god is what keeps you trapped in samsara and makes you a slave to the world of satan.
>>17280609
Okay dude I get your low IQ so I’ll try and help.

Do you think it requires something to exist eternally without stagnating or degenerating? Well obviously as existence and nonexistence are 2 mutually exclusive spheres of ideas. The amalgamation of what a being would need to exist eternally is another name for god

>>17280622
>EXPLAIN TO ME HOW DEAD BABIES STAIN GODS GOODNESS IN THE CONTEXT OF ETERNITY???
I already did
>. Explain to me how that experience for the 4 year old does anything to an immortal soul?
Prove that the immortal soul exists. It's you claiming it does, and there's an internal problem in the shitty lala land you conjued up, not in our real world, where souls, god and magic don't exist to begin with.
>Explain to me how limited suffering has any effect on the goodness or evilness of eternal existence brother?
I'm not your brother, tard. I just did, you haven't addressed my argument.
> And as you struggle hopefully you start to appreciate why intelligent minds laugh at your
You don't possess an intelligent mind, you pathetic clown.
> Because it’s a nonsensical thought in relation to an eternal god and his limited creation
Calling it non sensical doesn't make it so. Your worldview is non sensical, as I have explained and you have not been capable to address at all, but just repeated your shitty drivel and half baked jokes you copied from your beloved low IQ Youtube aplogists.

>>17280631
> Your fetishization of desire or suffering or happiness outside of god is what keeps you trapped in samsara and makes you a slave to the world of satan.
Prove any of them exist.
>Okay dude I get your low IQ so I’ll try and help.
"your low IQ" says the clown who hasn't learned 2nd grade grammar in his own native language.
>. The amalgamation of what a being would need to exist eternally is another name for god
No it isn't. The God of your shitty cult has very specific connotations that you conveniently ignore, dumbass.

>>17280633
No you didn’t?

Explain how limited suffering stains gods goodness? You’re basically calling me evil for playing farming simulator and killing my pigs so the farm grows.

So again, present your problem of evil, what is it about the human experience that precludes a loving god? Ther is no point arguing anything else until you clearly state why you believe even if god exist he would be evil for creating humanity

>>17280631
>Do you think it requires something to exist eternally without stagnating or degenerating?
Externally of what? Learn to write before calling anyone "LOW IQ" next time, you repeating this autistic insult tells us more about you and your own insecurity on your own (lack of) intelligence than ours.

>>17280639
lol your so fucking stupid. Are you telling me god (according to the Christian canon) is NOT the sole thing a soul needs to exist? Do you realize how stupid you sound?

>>17280645
>Explain how limited suffering stains gods goodness?
I did, look at the text.
> You’re basically calling me evil for playing farming simulator and killing my pigs so the farm grows.
Humans are not pigs at all. Why is God forced to kill humans in their cribs to keep humanity going? You haven't explained that at all, because you can't.
>what is it about the human experience that precludes a loving god?
I just did 2 posts ago, not gonna repeat it, because unlike you I'm not a cheap clown repeating the same drivel ad infinitum.
>Ther is no point arguing anything else until you clearly state why you believe even if god exist he would be evil for creating humanity
Learn to use punctuation.

>>17280647
Yoooooooooooooo these fucking idiots man LMAOOOOOOOO he can’t even read the word eternally without having a schizo moment and hallucinating the person who’s mogging him mistakes. You might actually be a demon brother if your mind breaks that bad in the face of truth

>>17280652
>lol your so fucking stupid.
It's the third time you made this basic mistake you illiterate autist
>is NOT the sole thing a soul needs to exist?
Nothing to do with our argument, according to Christriannity God created everything, so? Strawman argument, you have no reading comprehension.
>Do you realize how stupid you sound?
Projecting.

>>17280654
lol want to know the difference between you and I? My ideas don’t need autistic prose to convey knowledge while you conform to orthodoxy but produce nothing of value. Pathetic and the sign of true pseuds is when they are getting rekt? They bitch about grammar like autist

No you still haven’t you idiot. You went WAAAAHHHHHH MUH DEAD BABIES GOD BAAAAAAAAD but you never explained to me why it matters in the eternal context? I know you can’t explain your nonsensical position which is why I’m pressing you. you should take a step back and think why that is.

>>17280655
>. You might actually be a demon brother if your mind breaks that bad in the face of truth
Lol, now I'm a demon because I exposed your retarded fairytales, yeah I already knew you were a retarded clown, but you're clearly also a fuckwit troglodyte, maybe these insults actually work while arguing with your own inbred cousins in your shitty fly overstates

Also you made the same 2nd grade spelling mistake four times now

>>17280660
lol I’m mogging you so bad your panties are getting in a bunch over grammar huh? It must suck that that’s your last refuge but again I have no need to conform to your autistic rules of prose on a fucking Korean underwater basket weaving forum because UNLIKE YOU my ideas stand for themselves

Again explain how me how god did anything evil to an eternal soul with the human experience?

>>17280664
>They bitch about grammar like autist
You're the one calling people ESL, yet you write like this, how ironic, you retarded troglodyte
>You went WAAAAHHHHHH MUH DEAD BABIES GOD BAAAAAAAAD
I suppose rephrasing an argument to make it sound stupid works on your toddler-like mind, unfortunately it doesn't work with grown ups.
> I know you can’t explain your nonsensical position which is why I’m pressing you. you should take a step back and think why that is.
I already did. According to Christard logic choice should be what determines a man's fate forever, but in reality a lot of people die before even getting to make any meaningful choice at all. Leaving aside that the existence of the boogeyman satan and the Laland known as heaven has never been proven and never will.

>>17280665
Yea you are dude. You’re willfully ignorant to the goodness of existence and you wish to spread your malignancy. Everyone is worse for having you around

>>17280673
>UNLIKE YOU my ideas stand for themselves
You have no ideas. Your shitty ass arguments like "people go by themselves to hell" is a shitty aplogetic argument that has existed probably for centuries and that I've heard of since I was in kindergarten, too bad it doesn't stand in its own legs, and you're too retarded to actually defend it.

>christianity is cruel
>only focuses on the parts where people who outright refuse to do the basics of any virtue end up in punishment
Even America can look like a tyrannical country if you word it harshly enough.

>>17280679
> You’re willfully ignorant to the goodness of existence
Existence entails both the bad and the good, you're a pathetic retard denying reality.
>veryone is worse for having you around
Not at all, people need to face reality, living in Laland like you do is a pathetic coping mechanic, you're disgusting to me, a manchild in mind and body.

>>17280688
>only focuses on the parts where people who outright refuse to do the basics of any virtue end up in punishment
Exceèt that Jesus clearly state that the overwhelming majority of people will go to hell, it's not just people "refuing the basics of any virtue", disingenous argument from a dumbass.

>>17280676
lol esl is when they have no comprehension of what the words they are using truly mean as opposed to grammar and spelling you absolute mongoloid

Okay so they didn’t make a choice by your own admission right? And we’re arguing in a way that accepts god exist right (don’t back out one I wreck you in a few lines)? Your trying to hard lock god into “well the baby died so hell it goes” like an atheistic fundamentalist while at the same time agreeing what god cares about is our free choice? So no, those babies are fine and ostensibly are greater then you in that god allowed them to die so young which means the soul that inhabited it is capable of knowing god in a healthy way a lot earlier than you. Alternatively god could know the suffering that child would endure might endanger its orientation toward the eternal and chooses to have mercy by allowing the child to know truth earlier. There is absolutely no part in the human experience that makes god evil in the context of an eternal soul and again hell is just a place you put yourself by the way you choose to act and we already agreed there are those who die before they could make that choice? I’m failing to see the issue my brainlet friend

>>17280684
Okay I put you in front of god. There are 2 options. Submit fully and enjoy an eternity of love and growth with god or refuse to submit and go to a place separate from him where I can degenerate of my own accord (hell)

How is that hard for you brainlets to understand?

>>17280691
lol “be like me, angry and broken and depressed and incapable of having a relationship with others or even myself. Don’t cope believe you have strength or that you have been blessed with life, be angry and antagonistic toward the good because I have a small dick and I’m mad I’m not god”

That’s you. That’s what you sound like

>>17280708
> (don’t back out one I wreck you in a few lines)?
You make fun of people rephrasing their quotes like a caveman but you literally talk like one, what a fucking idiot
> Your trying to hard lock god into “well the baby died so hell it goes” l
No, that's something you added to my argument, sending them to heaven or limbo would also work in favour of my argument, because he would still be deciding their eternal faith without letting them make a choice.
> So no, those babies are fine and ostensibly are greater then you in that god allowed them to die so young which means the soul that inhabited it is capable of knowing god in a healthy way a lot earlier than you.
So God plays favorites, what a servile, utterly spineless pathetic shell of a man you are for bowing to such an unfair demon (to use youw own troglodyte-like terinology) you've created on your own mind.
> Alternatively god could know the suffering that child would endure might endanger its orientation toward the eternal and chooses to have mercy by allowing the child to know truth earlier.
Same as above, Godler plays favorite again, some are spared suffering and its (supposedly eternal, in your lunatic worldview) consequences, while some are not and are damned for them. You are beyond disgusting.
> There is absolutely no part in the human experience that makes god evil in the context
There is, I've just explained plainly the reason.
> in the context of an eternal soul and again hell is just a place you put yourself by
No it isn't at all, you're contradicting your own fairytales now.

>>17280712
>How is that hard for you brainlets to understand?
That's not in your fairytales book. God actively banished them from his presence. Make your own fantasy book, you pathetic manchild.
>lol “be like me, angry and broken and depressed and incapable of having a relationship with others or even myself.
Telling us something to us about yourself again, tripfag? We already knew that you're insecure about your low IQ, you didn't have to tell us that you're broke and have a small dick too, that's overkill, loser.

>>17280696
You're right and that's why God came down in human form to bear the weight of the sins so that any who believe in Him can have eternal life and sin no more. Because man's heart is wicked and without Christ to be the constant reminder of our personal failings there is only death and destruction.

>>17280733
So Jeebus only went to a very specific region of the world and waited for Christianity to spread slowly over many centuries, reaching the Baltic countries only over 1000 years, or America, Ocenia and Subsaharian Africa over 1500+ years? What a sloppy work from your own fantasy daddy, who's supposedly omnipotent

>>17280717
>How is that hard for you brainlets to understand?
That's not in your fairytales book. God actively banished them from his presence. Make your own fantasy book, you pathetic manchild.
>lol “be like me, angry and broken and depressed and incapable of having a relationship with others or even myself.
Telling us something to us about yourself again, tripfag? We already knew that you're insecure about your low IQ, you didn't have to tell us that you're broke and have a small dick too, that's overkill, loser.

>>17280719
lol how does it feel to get mogged in a philosophical debate by a caveman using middle school grammar?

You do understand the baby isn’t its body right? Do you have any concept of that that baby is a child of god? Why would he not continue to grow his child after its physical death you fucking idiot? Your trying to pretend all context ends the moment your form dies without understanding that the soul continues to grow before being able to face god and truly make that choice? You gotta do better man

AWWWHHHHHHH LITTLE BABY MAD HE WASNT BORN AN ANGEL? Mad you aren’t me? We’re all unique you spiteful egocentric child. He doesn’t treat us all he same because we’re not all the same you disgusting fucking faggot

You haven’t explained anything at first it was gods evil because god allows the suffering implicit in the limited state and now its “waahhhhhh god not fair :(:(:( “ do you hear how pathetic you sound? You’re not strong. You’re not smart. Your weak and willfully ignorant, doing nothing by trying to spread your malignancy to others so you can feel less bad about how weak and craven you are

You’re not a Christian, don’t tell me about my fairy tales faggot. If you wish to learn about Christianity then listen

>>17280739
…..you do understand we are a limited shape that he is trying to get to freely choose what’s required to exist eternally alongside him. Our flaws in this world are our own but it still fascinates me that people think this is an argument lmao

>>17280748
>lol how does it feel to get mogged
The only thing getting "mogged" is my patience, because entertaining a literal retard is a huge waste of time, you're using to people who stop replying to your posts, and you've confused that phenomenon with you winning argument and being an epic genius. Inr eality you are just a retarded fuckwit autist, and that people are just annoyed by you and don't take you seriosuly, but I assure you, you've never mogged anyone, not here nor in any other thread, people just get easily tired of dealing with an obnoxious tripfags who thinks he's a genius while he's a pathetic little freak.
>You do understand the baby isn’t its body right?
Oh yeah sure, it's full of floating babies around, back in the Lalaworld where you live to shell yourself from realoty
>Why would he not continue to grow his child after its physical death you fucking idiot?
Call me when you see those babies growing after death.
>Your trying to pretend all context ends
The word context here doesn't apply... did you use it because you thought it made you sound smart, it doesn't, it just reveals that you're a pseud in addition to not being smart, at all.
>the soul continues to grow before being able to face god
Not a single soul has ever been observed, let alone its growth rate.
>You gotta do better man
Yeah, losing a hour of a half of my time arguing with a pathetic manchild is a big waste of time after all.
>Mad you aren’t me?
Sure, you're an angel, what special snowflake you are, you little special, stunted boy
>. He doesn’t treat us all he same because we’re not all the same
You've just said that some children would grow up to sin if God didn't kill them in their crib, so according to your own fantasies, God gives some peope a free ticket to heaven, and to some the chance of ending up in hell, it's that simple, no backing up now, you've said that loud and clear. If God didn't intervene, those people would've ended up in hell.

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>>17280748
Get a load of this reviler

>>17280752
>>17280748
it was gods evil because god allows the suffering implicit in the limited state and now its “waahhhhhh god not fair :(:(:( “
C'mon man, I know you've admitted you talk like a caveman but put a little effort in there, you fucking retard, at least try and concentrate for a few seconds before shitting up these unreadble brain farts you like to call arguments.
>>17280752
>…..you do understand we are a limited shape that he is trying to get to freely choose
Jesus is trying to choose a limitated shape? So at this point I gotta ask,is English your third or fourth language, because no matter how you see it, this sentence doesn't make any sense. And no, special "angel" boy, it isn't because we can't read, it's because you can't fucking string more than 3 words together.
> how weak and craven you are
Nice proection, I'm not the pathetic shell of a man conjuring up a Laland to hide in, that's you.
>don’t tell me about my fairy tales faggot.
Lol, at least you've admitted that to yourself, that it's just fairytales you hide in.

>>17280775
lol notice how you switch from a rigid fundamentalism to fedora fagging whenever it is convenient? It’s the mark of the uneducated mind being unable to establish and maintain a coherent framework for debate. Very sad, many such cases

lol you accepted the concept of god and hell but suddenly reject the soul? Do you see how incoherent and deranged your “ideology” has made you?

Yes context, the context of that the baby is not just its body and is a child of god. Your autism seems to think that according to Christian theology you die and either wake it in heaven or a lack of fire which is retarded. The Christian cosmology just asserts heaven and hell are the 2 options as far as ending points for created beings

Again you accepted god and hell (even used hell to make god seem bad) but now your bitching about a soul? It’s because you’re getting mogged and are having to change the landscape of the debate if you hope to save face. Unfortunately you have already revealed yourself to be a brainlet fedora fag so sucks for you

No god does what’s required so that on the day we come to face god it is solely on us what we choose. And yes some get a direct line to god, some have to go thru the belly of the whale and some no matter how much time he gave them would never change their ways. I’m sorry you’re such a petulant child that you can’t understand he treats us all as unique beings but that has nothing to do with whether he is evil or not. What it means is your salty your you even tho that saltiness is why if he had brought you into existence as Lucifer you would have fell in a way grosser way.

So after 30 minutes of talking you have still yet to explain why hell means god is bad or why dead babies means god is bad but you have backtracked on all the initial axioms we took in this debate and now seem to be seething at how incapable you are at arguing with someone like me.

Lmao just take the L man

>>17280794
lol no that was your argument.first it was “muh dead babies” but you got mogged with the reality of eternity and so it’s now “god treat us differently :( god evil for not being fair :((((“. Want to backtrack now that I made you aware how pitiful you sound saying that?

Dude idk but you don’t seem to be able to read. Yes we are a limited shape god created in the hopes that we would freely choose to exist eternally alongside him? No where in that statement did I say “Jesus is trying to choose a limited shape” and it baffles me how you got that out of me saying Jesus created us in the hopes we choose him. Fucking brainlet I stg

No man I’m pretty sure you are a weak and pathetic excuse for a man. You don’t believe in your free will. You don’t believe in love. You don’t believe in the good. Your a pathetic piece of shit, rolling in the wind and stinking it up for the rest of us

>>17280827
>lol notice how you switch from a rigid fundamentalism to fedora fagging whenever it is convenient?
Not at all. Showing the mistakes in your internal logic isn't being a fundamentalists. I know you're in the spectrum so taking everything literally is how you normally operate in the world, but try actually understanding what others say next time, freak.
> It’s the mark of the uneducated mind being unable to establish and maintain a coherent framework for debate. Very sad, many such cases
Oh le Trump meme, now you've shown me, you're really "in" now, a true 4chan keyboard warrior, you're beyond pathetic.
>lol you accepted the concept of god and hell but suddenly reject the soul?
All your drivels about the soul are not in the Bible, the soul is barely talked about there, most of what you said about the soul IS NOT there, it's your shitty toddler-like fantasy at wotk.
> Do you see how incoherent and deranged your “ideology” has made you?
No ideology here, you on the other hand, oh boy, talk about lack of self awareness.
>Your autism seems to think
Talk about projections
>according to Christian theology you die and either wake it in heaven or a lack of fire which is retarded.
It is retarded, but so is all Christian theology.
>Unfortunately you have already revealed yourself to be a brainlet fedora fag so sucks for you
Fedora, that's a new one, how original! Now the baby boy uses those fresh memes from 2012
> but now your bitching about a soul?
The only one bitching and moaning is you here, you pathetic little freak. Of souls nothing is said in the Bible other than a spirit exists, nothing else, it "growing" or doing anything else outside of heaven and heel is your fantasy, write your own shitty book.
>And yes some get a direct line to god,
So it doesn't realy solely on what we choose.
>some have to go thru the belly of the whale and some no
Ok so, the fantasy man you've conjured up or chose to bow to, is not impartial at all.

>>17280827
>>17280843
> What it means is your salty your you even tho that
goo goo gaa gaa, manchild, you talk like a baby and you act like one
>So after 30 minutes of talking you have still yet to explain why hell means god is bad
Because forcing someone to be tortured forever is clearly sadistic. Especially when as you said, some are given pretty much a free ticket to heaven by dying as a baby, and some are forced to face suffering and then be judged for a single, temporal choice.
> if he had brought you into existence as Lucifer you would have fell in a way grosser way.
Yeah, and that's also unfait, it's not like adding up many unfair actions caused by your fantasy fairy makes him more likeable.
>>17280843
> but you got mogged with the reality of eternity
I didn't at all. You admitted to God playing favorites, and you being a spineless coward choosing to believing in such an absurdly unfair entity, because you're at heart a pathetic sniveling dog.

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>accuse immoral jewish cult of cruelty
>nigger tier shill followers come out of the woodwork to write paragraphs of furious copenseethe
kek

>>17280843

You're beyond patheitc, you little freak.
>. Yes we are a limited shape god created in the hopes that we would freely choose to exist eternally alongside him?
So we're limited, and God gives us unlimited rewards or punishments, that's beyond retard, just like you are, no wonder you believe it.
>No man I’m pretty sure you are a weak and pathetic excuse for a man.
Nah that's you, clown, a weak manchild choosing to believe in nonsense and fairytales instead of facing the truth of our world
>You don’t believe in your free will.
Says the guy who belived in a fiary that automatically saves people who don't get to make a significant choice even once in their entire life.
> You don’t believe in love, in the good
Not believing the disgusting monster your cowardly ass bows to doesn't mean at all that I don't have positive charateristics, that's you, who has to belive in the bad boogeman and in Laland to act decently towards other human beings, you're a toddler at heart, and that's being unfair to toddlers

>>17280868
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He's a pathetic little shill of a man, that tripfag Dionysus, he's used to people not replying to him because they see an incoherent autistic triipfag streeching and they just laugh and ignore him, I just tried to have a conversation with him, and as expected the result is him losing his shit, and behaving like the insane, pathetic little freak he is, disgusting, sad even.

>>17280851
…….were talking about gods relationship to his children in the Christian context and you suddenly start asserting there is no such thing as a soul? You’re not showing any issues with internal logic, you’re jumping from BS to BS in an incoherent manner in the hopes it flusters someone. I’m aware of the fedora fag tricks and I’m educated enough to call you out so layman can witness your weakness. It’s a tell tale sign your getting mogged

lol the trump meme really riles up the fedora fags
Lmao
Kek even

lol have a wrecked you so bad your pretending the soul is outside the Christian canon? Jesus man have some dignity I don’t want to mog you this hard

lol your really denying god because he doesn’t treat all his different children the same? True impartiality is meeting the situation where it’s at and he does so with each of us. All of us get to choose whether to accept or reject god, the time that happens is the perfect time according to god and is different for every being. I’m sorry you want to be like some perfected piece of pottery on gods window sill but he views us as children. Even weak, disgusting, sorry excuses for men such as yourself

>>17280877
It is entertaining at least. I'm sure he gets paid by the you

>>17280879
fedora fag fedora fag
You know, outside of 4chan and the discord sever where you live, these shitty ass insults have never been funny, you know that right?
> pretending the soul is outside the Christian canon?
Not what I said but as always you're too retarded to read a text and understand it, not surprising, considering the retarded shit you belive in, little freak
>Jesus man have some dignity I don’t want to mog you this hard
AHAHAHAH you speaking of dignity is the icing on the cake
>lol your really denying god because he doesn’t treat all his different children the same?
Sure, why would I bow to such an unfair monster? Good thing he doesn't exist to begin with.
> True impartiality is meeting the situation where it’s at and he does so with each of us.
The situation "where it's at" is caused by God, according to your own retarded headcanon, nice try, you sloppy ass clown.
>. All of us get to choose whether to accept or reject god, the time that happens is the perfect time according to god
According to God, and what does he base his decision on? His arbitrary whim, that's like beliving in a giant toddler. After all, this God of your is just a big projecton of what you are, a manbaby shitthing his pants.
>Even weak, disgusting, sorry excuses for men such as yourself
Projection, you pathetic Laland-believer, what a sniveling coward you are.

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>>17280863
lol samefags are the most delicious part of this. No one is gonna help you brother, you’re gonna sit there and realize how stupid you are even as you try to pretend you have some sort of intellectual backing by pretending other anons agree with you.

As for everyone else? Don’t be like these anons. Do you want to be the man in your community rejecting his free will? His capacity to love and grow? Do you want your great wisdom gleaned from the human experience to be “nothing matter, everybody (including myself) is worthless and the only worthwhile existence is where I’m god or blackness” (which would be the same thing because if I made you god you would eventually grow to hate the other and then the self leading to your degeneration). These are pathetic little incels, impotent in mind and body, desperately trying to turn you into eunuchs like themselves.
Reject them
Know truth, know love, know your free will and your ability to choose to grow alongside the goodness of eternal truth

Or be like these fucking fedora fags who no girl would ever have a family with, no man would go into business with and no parent is proud of

>>17280891
lol the difference between my insults and yours? They are interspersed between actual knowledge and placed as exclamation points. I’ve dragged you down to the level of personal insults but I’ve yet to see you provide anything coherent? I wonder why that is? Is it because you’re just SO MAD? Or is because you have no actual argument and this is how you seethe?

>>17280894
No one on this anime forum likes you obnoxious hasbara faggot lmao. Unbelievable I know

>>17280894
You're a pathetiic coward, you know this more than I do, you're trash.
>rejecting fre will
I belive in the real consequence of making a choice, not in made up ones, you're a coward, having to beliving in made up lalands and lakes of fire to even try (and fail to) act decently

The only thing your worthless, patheitc, incoherent ass can do now is cry and try to demonie me (do you want this people in your group...) too bad your shitty kid is dying out and you can only try (and, agian, fail to) make your pathetic little witch hunts on 4chan.

You're a little manchild, and if you're not threatened with eternal spanking or prosmised eternal candies and no boo boos forever, you see everything as "meaningless blackness", what a disgusting, empty, shell of a man you are. You're sickening, a shell of a man having to take refuge in his fantasies, because he knows he can't to face the real world.

>These are pathetic little incels, impotent in mind and body
Sounds like the Christian clergy for most of its history, another nice projecting on your part, little freak

>>17280903
lol I don’t care about being liked. I’m respected because the shit I say is at the cutting edge of western philosophy so debate partners who are actually educated (certainly not you) understand I’m actually talking about meaningful things as opposed to your schizo babble and muh dead babies

>>17280899
It's amazing how you think that in this debated you've ever proven anything other tha n you being a little clownish freak, which we all knew already. We all know you live in a fantasy world, that no one has or ever will see these bullshit world up in the clouds where you hope you'll go when your shitty ass pathetic life will be over. Deep down you know too it's pure bullshit, hence why you're getting so stirred up here and in other threads.

>>17280909
Cope and seethe cousin. Just meditate on what I’ve said here once your head clears

>>17280912
Nobody respects you
> at the cutting edge of western philosophy
AHAHAHAHAHA please
Nobody has ever taken you seriously, yo can only screech when people actually debunk your bs. Wouldn't want to see what a patheitc freakshow you are in real life, when you probably can't even say a word without stuttering.

>>17280916
There's nothing to meditate over, I've heard all your bs before, and much more coherently said, too bad bullshit will keep being bullshit, no matter how many times you repeat it, you live in a fantasy world, and deep down, you know it too. Stop playing this role of the pious monk, we both know you're an angry 21st century manchild.

>>17280919
I’m pretty sure I’ve yet to be debunked on a single idea in /his yet but please, enlighten me? I propose the goodness of existence? Free will? A loving god? Where have I been debunked?

Lol want to have a debate on a stream? Face to face you would be to scared of what I am but I’ll certainly mog for posterities sake on video

>>17280922
I’m the angry 21st century man child? I’m the one who is saying existence is good and loving LMAO I’m the one who revels in his capacity to know truth and accepts my free will? The cognitive dissonance is astounding as you literally described yourself but said it was me lmao

>>17280927
> I propose the goodness of existence? Free will? A loving god? Where have I been debunked?
Pretty much all of these points, free will might as well exist depending on your defenition, but it certainly has nothing to do with your Laland also existing, stop conflating this thing.
>Lol want to have a debate on a stream?
Sure man, I'm gonna give out my identity on 4chan to some incoherent freak. The thing is, in real life someone like you wouldn't have the balls to act as you did now. We both know it, freak.

>>17280931
> in his capacity to know truth and accepts my free will?
What truth do you know? Fantasy land existing? That's as far as the truth as it can possibly get.
>described yourself but said it was me lmao
"no u", so original, you little freak.

>>17280935
We can do it anonymously? Come on faggot? Be the big man you think you are and put me in my place? I’ll act like this regardless where we are as long as your being a fedora fag and if you got really out of hand in the way you acted I would beat your ass irl to. I’m a leader of men in real life cousin, I’m used to your type.
>>17280940
I know god exist and I know he is loving

>>17280951
> I’m a leader of men in real life cousin, I’m used to your type.
Sure you are, I'm shitting my pants at the 4chan manchild tripfag coming at me with his lardass, suuure
>I know god exist and I know he is loving
You belive in Laland, you know nothing.

>>17280957
lol and this all they really are for all their bluster. Pathetic really

>>17280964
What did you expect me to give you, my address? Supposing you could afford the trip, what would you do then, shit your pants, try to sell me your shitty Bible? I'm taller and stronger than you are. C'mon freakshow. If you wanted a videochat, I'm not posting my face on 4chan, and I don't trust a deranged lunatic.

>>17280964
Where are you from? Give me your address and your face.