https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh3Xi_Xxe0oANE only carried KITLG allele which isnt even improtant for having blonde hair, all alleles that actually cause blondism were present in other populations like WHG and EEF. Tarim mummies also werent blondeExtra discuiss: is David Reich (jewish origin btw) a nordicist, a jew liar, whats his deal?
>>18119673It's easy to get confused about this because WHG got ANE admix a long time ago. There's a reason WHG has R1b. ANE admix is so basal in Europe and the Caucasus it's actually hard to measure the grand total
>>18119673David Reich is either a larping nordicist chud or a jew that wants to make it look like European features were broight by immigrants, I am not sure yet
>>18119682Everyone has some basal common ancestor, but to go on and publish "ANE were first to have blondism and who cause its spread" is factually incorrect. OCA2, HERC2, SLC24A4, SLC45A2 all are more likely candidates and were "brought" by WHG and EEF. Its really not easy to get confused by this, its either an agenda or David Reich is just a retarded jew
>>18119689In your mind, what EEF populations had blondism?
>>18119688>a jew that wants to make it look like European features were broight by immigrants,He's definitely going to try those theories first. He had to back off on Southern Arc but that's only because he couldn't get away with it without severe criticism. These "geneticists" will keep trying stuff like that over and over because this is one of the most politicized topics in the study of history.
>>18119693I mean combination of those contributed to blondism much higher ratio then KITLG. EEF contributed by light skin alleles
>>18119706>Southern Arcquick rundown?not familiar with it
Do ANE admix correlate with asian edar variant?
>>18119719Blondism started appearing in the Baltic first because of EHG admix which transmits ANE admix. Then it spread to Globular Amphora.
>>18119673>and EEFPitted Ware and Comb Ceramic Culture are not EEF in the sense that they were of ANF ancestry, no, they were mostly SHG, despite being the first neolithic farmers in Northern Europe, but their ancestors didn't come from Anatolia. The EEF with bloodism were Globular Amphora and they only influenced Corded Ware, which were 70-80% Steppe.
>>18119735Actual blonde hair likely first appeared in Mesolithic Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG) of Northern and Central Europe. And EHG is ANE + WHG, those traits were brought by WHG to EHG as no ANE carried them and no Tarim was blonde either
>>18119744>The Pitted Ware culture (c. 3500 BC–c. 2300 BC) was a hunter-gatherer culture in southern Scandinavia, mainly along the coasts of Svealand, Götaland, Åland, north-eastern Denmark and southern Norway. Despite its Mesolithic economy, it is by convention classed as Neolithic, since it falls within the period in which farming reached Scandinavia. The Pitted Ware people were largely maritime hunters, and were engaged in lively trade with both the agricultural communities of the Scandinavian interior and other hunter-gatherers of the Baltic Sea>The people of the Pitted Ware culture were a genetically homogeneous and distinct population descended from earlier Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherers (SHGs). The culture emerged in east-central Sweden around 3,500 BC, gradually replacing the Funnelbeaker culture throughout the coastal areas of southern Scandinavia. It subsequently co-existed with the Funnelbeaker culture for several centuries>From about 2,800 BC, the Pitted Ware culture co-existed with the Battle Axe culture, which was the successor of the Funnelbeaker culture in southern Scandinavia. By 2,300 BC, the Pitted Ware culture had been absorbed by the Battle Axe culture. The subsequent Nordic Bronze Age represents a fusion of elements from the Pitted Ware culture and the Battle Axe culture. Modern Scandinavians, unlike the Sami, display partial genetic origins from the Pitted Ware people>Genetic studies suggest that the Pitted Ware peoples, unlike their Neolithic neighbors, were descended from earlier Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherers (SHGs). At the time of the emergence of the Pitted Ware culture, these hunter-gatherers persisted to the north of the agricultural Funnelbeaker culture. Their ceramic traditions are related to those of the Comb Ceramic culture. Because of this, Pitted Ware Culture is often combined with Comb Ceramic Culture to form Pit Comb Ware Culture
>>18119673Stfu retard
>>18119748>Actual blonde hair likely first appeared in Mesolithic Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG)Is there anything at all that supports this fantasy? The very first epicenter of blonde hair in Europe is associated with EHG and ANE admix. The oldest sampled redhead is an EHG. Light hair colors developed from selection pressures and bottlenecks of ANE genes that first happened in a widespread fashion in EHGs and Baltic hunter Gatherers.
>>18119776https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxgGQ0q_Tso
>>18119673Blonde gene comes from ANE, your paleolithic ancestors were raped by White people just like your immediate ancestors?Are we surprised? Whites are titans of history.>>18119689ALL of these genes contribute to lighter hair. ANE is one of the populations that contributes to lighter hair.KITLG is one of the strongest indicators for blondism.
>>18119788Andrei DNA is incorrect and fat.
>>18119799>schizo pornbrainAll ANE was dark haired, dark eyed, darker skinned. Same as Tarim mummies. ANE males fucked WHG women with blue eyes creating EHGEEF brought light skin to Europe. Dark eyes and dark haired Yamnaya proceeded to fuck EEF and WHG light skinned blue eyed women>>18119799>KITLG is one of the strongest indicators for blondism.but its not, genes that contribute blonde hair to Europeans the most are;HERC2/OCA2 light eyes, indirectly linked to hair lightening (non-ANE, WHG)SLC24A4 hair lightening (non-ANE, WHG)SLC45A2 light hair & skin (non-ANE, CHG)KITLG minor effect (ANE)Lastly, why no tarim mummy or native americans had blonde hair? >>18119801debunk him, even survive the jive king of we wuz admits he's wrong in comments lmao
>>18119850oh and I forgot one last cuckoldry for our palechudcel, EHG fucked CHG women and got light skin gene from them - SLC45A2
>>18119673my prediction;David Reich is a based giga-autist Levitic jew with the OG haplogroup and don't want to sequence his dna because he knows that he'll end up pissing off chuddy jews that are euro-arab muttbabies.
>>18119850>even survive the jive king of we wuz admits he's wrong in comments lmaoNo, he doesnt, he says the vector of transmission is ANE admixed WHG/EEF hybrids undergoing a founder effect.The debunk is literally on the wikipage for blonde hair with multiple links to research publications finding KITLG as being critical for lighter shades of blondism.
>>18119850>HERC2/OCA2 light eyes, indirectly linked to hair lightening (non-ANE, WHG)Are north east asian variants for oca2 Ala481Thr His615Arg in some europeans related to ANE ancestry?
>>18119850>all ANE was dark hairedall three of them.>dark eyedall three of them, their predecessor Ust Ishim had a HERC2-like structure allele.>darker skinnedThere is zero evidence of this, the evidence is the opposite actually given Tarim.>same as TarimTarim are light skinned.ANE-WHG relations went both ways with majority I2 finds in ANE populations beginning in Scandinavia and stretching as far as eastern Ukraine.R1 finds in WHG groups peaks in Balkan HGs.>dark eyed dark haired YamnayaNever entered Europe, their sole YDescendants are Armenia and Greece.>genes that contribute the mostits KITLG, that is just what the data says.White people raped your ancestors, this has predictive power.You're shorter, narrower, weaker, uglier, your people are dumber, less capable, less pro-social and altruistic, you are inferior and superior Whites conquered you and pumped their genetic information into the wombs of your females.>no Tarim or Amerind had blonde hairand? most (North included) Europeans do not have blonde hair.
>>18119850>indirectly linked to hair lightening (non-ANE, WHG)This is phenotypic correlation, they do not actually increase the likelihood of blondism themselves.
>>18119885>Ust Ishimhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpz8Nt1cPUsjust lol>Tarimhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXo48UWtRckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwIRIDbzg2ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTHvB3OfozUMore lol. All of them are predicted to have dark eyes, dark hair and olive skin.>its KITLG, that is just what the data says.There's no blonde hair without alleles from WHG, EEF and ANE. I am 6'3 europoid hunter gatherer phenotype. Dark skin, huge head, dark hair and eyes. You are a agrarian cuckcel with pale skin and light hair and eyes. All "white" traits come from being raped by darker stronger populations, raped so hard they deluted their original genes + stopped eating meat = cuckchud race>Dark ANE males + blue eyed WHG = EHGDark EHG + light skinned CHG = SteppeDark steppe + EEF/WHG farmcels = later steppe agrarian cuckcel phenotypeGet mogged, get raped
>>18119723PIE was a sister language to proto-anatolian, their ancestor came from northern mesopotamia, proto-anatolian became hittite and lydian and shit, PIE crossed the caucasus and spread via the yamnaya culture across eurasia
>>18119744>>18119751Also, OP: How do you dissociate that blond hair didn't originate from ANE with the fact that the full-first and most blond populations descended from them?>Scandinavian hunter-gatherers (SHG) were identified as a distinct ancestral component by Lazaridis et al. (2014). A number of remains examined at Motala, Sweden, and a separate group of remains from 5,000 year-old hunter-gatherers of the Pitted Ware culture (PWC), were identified as belonging to SHG. The study found that an SHG individual from Motala ('Motala12') could be successfully modelled as being of c. 81% western hunter-gatherer (WHG) ancestry, and c. 19% Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry>The study found SHGs to constitute one of the three main hunter-gatherer populations of Europe during the Mesolithic. The two other groups were WHGs and eastern hunter-gatherers (EHG). EHGs were found to be an ANE-derived population with significant admixture from a WHG-like source. SHGs formed a distinct cluster between WHG and EHG, and the admixture model proposed by Lazaridis et al. could be successfully replaced with a model that takes EHG as source population for the ANE-like ancestry, with an admixture ratio of ~65% (WHG) : ~35% (EHG). SHGs living between 6000 BC and 3000 BC were found to largely be genetically homogeneous, with little admixture occurring among them during this period. EHGs were found to be more closely related to SHGs than WHGs>Lazaridis et al. (2016) confirmed SHGs to be a mix of EHGs (~43%) and WHGs (~57%). WHGs were modeled as descendants of the Upper Paleolithic people (Cro-Magnon) of the Grotte du Bichon in Switzerland with minor additional EHG admixture (~7%). EHGs derived c. 75% of their ancestry from ANEs>In a genetic study published in Nature Communications in January 2018, the remains of an SHG female at Motala, Sweden between 5750 BC and 5650 BC was analyzed. She was found to be carrying U5a2d and "substantial ANE ancestry"
>>18119744>blondismFix'd.
>>18119869You should really read wikipedia article you're quoting. All your logic comes from a jew David Reich and makes no sense which is pointed out by geneticist Iosif Lazaridis and 2024 study
>>18119947by being mostly WHG as your own post says and getting HERC2/OCA2, MC1R blonde alleles through them
>>18119871No those come from east asian ancestry
>>18119971But OP, ANE was 65% WHG and KITLG didn't appear until the mixture of those with AAE to create ANE.
>>18119964>all your logicESL coded statement.>Lazaridimcucks seething at based David "Third" ReichpotteryANE was a proto-Nordic group of Euroforms, tall, hairy, light skinned and sharp featured as Tarim proves.
>>18120037What. No. If you wanna go back far enough, ANE was mix of Ancient East Eurasian/Siberian hunter-gatherer and West Eurasian Upper Paleolithic-like ancestry. The later, wasnt WHG despite coming from west Asia/Europe, they were Gravettian type who carried no alleles for any "white features" and arent WHGEHG was ANE + WHG. And SHG was WHG/EHG later mix.The “blond/light hair” alleles in SHG are primarily associated with the western and northern parts of Scandinavia where more WHG admixture is found then EHG
>>18120081Tall, hairy, dark skinned, sharp features, dark eyes, dark haired. FtfyNo tarim mummy had blonde hair, blue eyes or light hairkeep coping if it helps you top lel
Amerindjeets are shitskins. It's obvious ANE were brownoids.
>>18120084>The later, wasnt WHG despite coming from west Asia/Europe, they were Gravettian type who carried no alleles for any "white features" and arent WHGSo where do the WHG descend from?
>>18120155they were likely in southern Europe when Gravettians were in central and eastern. Gravettians carried I, C1a2 and WHG I2. Gravettians dissapeared after last glacial maximum more or less
>>18119947Actual ANE/SHG face
>>18119928please stop citing this fat retard, he also claims to be spiritually jewish.>dark eyesMost Europeans have dark eyes>dark hairmost Europeans have dark hair>olive skinnednope. they have alleles similar to modern japanese people who are as light as Northern Europeans.>there's no blonde hairunknown because these genes arent found in isolation.>I am Whiteyou are brown and you fantasize about White women because you see it as a genetic upgrade because you instinctively know you are a brown subhumanoid.>darker stronger populationsL O LThe ancestor of ALL steppe men was a blonde blue eyed EHG.White traits come from robust Neanderthal like WHGs and Robust ANE mammoth hunters.Those farmers you are moaning about are all the darkest people in Europe and their populations were excessively dark.The only farming population that wasnt dark wasnt a genetic "farmer" but a settled WHG/EHG/EEF hybrid group. They also werent wiped out, they raped Yamnaya in Bohemian massif and Pannonia becaming a primary ancestor of modern Slavs.Corded Ware largely replaced these people.You are brown and White people raped and subjugated you.
>>18120086>dark skinnedyet we can see their skin and we can say they are lighter than many people including you.>dark eyes and dark hairyou mean like most Europeans?One of them does have light hair btw.continue seething at your superiors.>>18120122Amerijeets are half Onge, dont blame ANE for those freaks being subhumans
>>18120270ANE didnt have EDAR and their craniometry suggests a level of anti-mongoloidism, as in modern Europeans are more similar to asians in shape than ANE were.
>>18119928>Shitty Ai reconstructions>Citing Andrie DNA>Retarded "muh ancestors raped yours" Just admit you're Indian, I'm tired of you retarded shitskins who only take interest in anthropology to justify your third world nationalist pretensions. Literally no different then the survive the jive tik tok nordidicts types you claim to oppose.
>>18120547>karelian EHGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0yCfd6L1Zglmao, black haired and brown eyed>Samara Yamnayahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOjh-fU7Z7Ablack hair, hazel eyes, lmao againI am European. Contrary to agrarain plant eating pastycels, I remained HG in my appearance. If your only cope is imagining me as jeet or some shit, fine, lol>The ancestor of ALL steppe men was a blonde blue eyed EHG.>White traits come from robust Neanderthal like WHGs and Robust ANE mammoth hunters.ANE males + WHG blue eyed women = EHG (still majority dark eyed)EHG males + light skin allele CHG = yamnayaits always the same. light traits come from cuckolding + changing from meat to broccoli. look at yourself in the mirror your traits are result of being a tamed, cucked and low t
>>18121008>Just admit you're Indian, I'm tired of you retarded shitskins who only take interest in anthropology to justify your third world nationalist pretensions.not him, but this is projection if I ever saw one, anthropology is ltierally filled with white supremacist doing that very same thing basically since 1800s loland whats wrong with andrei dna? he seems to have '0 bias and uses tools not just his word like others
>>18121023You very obviously have deep personal stakes in this argument, your claims don't come from an honest pursuit to the truth but in trying to reinforce your own deluded perception of yourself.. I don't understand why anybody in this thread considers you worthy of any time.
>>18121035triggering cumcels is a secondary benefit, but you obviously cant prove me wrong, lol
>>18121030>anthropology is ltierally filled with white supremacist doing that very same thing basically since 1800s lolIf you actually had reading comprehension, you'd see that I compare the two and place a negative value judgement on both.>not himNobody believes this, isn't samefagging against the rules on this website?
>>18121038All your sources are literal ai reconstructions from youtube, you might as well cite tik tok lmao.
>>18121042sources are in public data, which group was found with which alleles. dont want to repeat myself so just read >>18119850>>18121040not him but yeah its against rules
>>18121072>not himSo you're going to break the samefagging rule just like that huh?
>>18121023>archaic Europeans had similar coloration to modern Europeansand?The first Nordic person ever was 80% ANE.>light traits come from cuckoldingprojection.Light traits were infrequent among all paleolithic Europeans but nonetheless present among them, including among ANE.You're coping because you're brown, dont take out your insecurities on the world.
>>18121189Actually I am just mirroring the nordcel that always contaminates these topics. OP wasnt meant to be cringe circlejerking>The first Nordic person ever was 80% ANE.lol and that is?
>>18121072It's very obviously cherry picking data to align with a pre-determined hypothesis, constructed out of contrarianism. Just read the fucking studies on this yourself instead of letting youtubers do the work for you.Oh wait I forgot this is /his/, where nobody reads rather watches hour long video essays all day.
>>18121231theres literally no studies that say what you're trying to say.. its all just "uhh KITLG gives u 0.000001% chance of blond ebut lets go with that it'll be sensational plus im jewish". Did you read "the study"?
>>18119673Blonde hair, blue eyes, and white skin was already present in funnelbeaker Scandinavians at high frequencies. Corded Ware, Bell Beaker and Nordic Bronze Age immigrants made them browner they only go back up to their original whiteness during the middle Iron Age.
>>18120155>>18120250WHG are barely descended from Gravittean. WHG I2 did not spawn in Europe, btw I2 mutated around 25,000 years ago and only appears in European genetic records with Epigravittean.
>>18121223>coping about Nordic supremacyderanged and obsessed.>that isthis one >>18120547This Karelian EHG is NOT dark, his calls for light features are over 75%.He was overwhelmingly of ANE ancestry.
>>18119981>>18119871>>18119733Dammit, how I’m gonna cope having a chinaman in the wood pile?
>>18119673that is true, KITLG has not that big of an effect on blonde hair according to actual data>>18121242https://www.nature.com/articles/ng.2007.13>inbefore 2007irrelevant, modern pheno predictions are based on these older studies, drawing a correlation between an snp and a visible feature cannot be outdated
>>18119933But if that's false, then how do we explain the fact that Greece started developing their civilization more than 2000 years earlier than northern Europeans, despite supposedly being part of the same migration from the Pontic Steppe?
>>18121641>>18121242another studyhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6288091/many snps in the oca2 and mc1r genes have higher chances of being related to blonde hair than rs12821256european hunter gatherers had very high frequencies of derived snps in this genes, blonde hair likely comes from european hunter gatherera, not by chance the first actual individuals predicted as blonde are from mesolithic northern europe
>>18121620try putting the chinamen in the butter pile
>>18121189the first nordic was 30% ane actuallyTarget: Sweden_Mesolithic.SG:NEO27.SG__BC_7698__Cov_94.30%Distance: 6.2790% / 0.0627901666.2 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG33.8 Russia_AfontovaGora3
>>18121023>its always the same. light traits come from cuckolding + changing from meat to broccoli. incorrectlight traits come from european hunter gathers, see >>18121678 european hunter gatherers had light features much before the pajeet looking eefs and their pajeet looking AHG ancestors
>>18119850>SLC45A2 light hair & skin (non-ANE, CHG)this is from whg, not from chgs
>>18119854ehg got light skin from their whg ancestors, chg women had brown skin
>>18121352there are a few gravettians with I
>>18119723>quick rundown?some debunked bullshits, don't worry about it
>>18119706the southern arc was rejected
>>18121736No, light skin alleles first appeared and came via CHG or EEF
>>18121748I1 not I2
>>18121767>No, light skin alleles first appeared and came via CHG or EEFthat is incorrect, light skin alleles first appeared in european hunter gatherers, chg were brown
>>18121772gravettians with I carry basal I, not I2 or I1
>>18121369>This Karelian EHG is NOT dark, his calls for light features are over 75%.lol, lmao even >>18121680>>18121775No, light skin came from EEF - SLC24A5 and later. SLC45A2 Combination of these two groups made first "white nordic" phenotype. CHG also carried SLC24A5 allele and were probably first HG grup to carry it.>Summarizing these studies, Hanel and Carlberg (2020) decided that the alleles of the two genes SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 which are most associated with lighter skin colour in modern Europeans originated in West Asia about 22,000 to 28,000 years ago and these two mutations each arose in a single carrier.[24] This is consistent with Jones et al. (2015), who reconstructed the relationship between Near Eastern Neolithic farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers: two populations which carried the light skin variant of SLC24A5. Analysing newly sequenced ancient genomes, Jones et al. estimated the split date at ~24,000 bp and localised the separation to somewhere south of the Caucasus.[29] However, a coalescent analysis of this allele by Crawford et al. (2017) gave a more narrowly constrained, and earlier, split date of ~29,000 years ago (with a 95% confidence window from 28,000 to 31,000 bp).[30]>The light skin variants of SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 were present in Anatolia by 9,000 years ago, where they became associated with the Neolithic Revolution. From here, their carriers spread Neolithic farming across Europe.[31] Lighter skin and blond hair also evolved in the Ancient North Eurasian population.[32]
>>18121819>No, light skin came from EEF - SLC24A5 and later. SLC45A2 both those snps were present in european hunter gatherers>For the SNP associated with light eye colour (HERC2/OCA2 (rs12913832)), individuals from the Villabruna cluster, Oberkassel cluster, Baltic HG and SHG groups show high frequencies of the derived allele (>90%), which is responsible for the green or blue eye phenotype, whereas Sidelkino cluster, Ukraine HG and Iron Gates HG groups show low occurrence of this allele (10–25%). Instead, for the two SNPs associated with skin colour (SLC24A5 (rs1426654) and SLC45A2 (rs16891982)), Sidelkino cluster and Ukraine HG groups show a higher frequency (>90% for SLC24A5 and 29–61% for SLC45A2) of the derived alleles related to light skin colour>Combination of these two groups made first "white nordic" phenotype. CHG also carried SLC24A5 allele and were probably first HG grup to carry it.incorrect, chgs were extremely brown, they only had some SLC24A5, they completely lacked SLC45A2 and many other eurasian depigmentation alleles, overall they are predicted as brown also you're posting twitter shit, ancestralwhispers is amateur work
>>18121819>Combination of these two groups made first "white nordic" phenotype.i know you're a brazilian tranny and you pretend you don't see what other people post, but euro hgs were blonde >>18121678 before anatolians knew what light skin even was
>>18121030studies take precedence over andrei, and also you only post his videos when they agree with youhe predicts chgs as brownoids, but you're not posting thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-AXq_Wthyo
>>18121858they looked like pajeets
>>18121772No, gravittean carry an extinct branch of I. “I” clearly came from the steppe and then later with Epigravittean I1 and I2 came about from the same steppe origin. C1 is the first European paternal lineage. These people were not white but were very westernish so the exact opposite of Australian Aboriginals that also carry majority C1 but an obvious different branch. These were the first humans that settled past the Middle East in opposite directions around 50,000 years ago but the Neanderthals of Europe lasted longer than the other the Denisovans in SEA.
>>18122560dzudzuana is a c carried to bro, c is just a pre split eurasian lineage
>>18119682>using admixtures>WAAAH my mixtures are too ad'd what's going onYou asked for this retard.
>>18122596i don't think he asked for that
