Funny how it's the Emperor's new clothes parable playing out in real life. These people think they're literally holding Christ's physical body (not even symbolically but literally). Just like the people who are staring at a naked dude think he must be wearing some magnificent clothes.Reality is weirder than fiction
>>18490956It's a humiliation ritual. If you bow to the bread you submit yourself to the great lie. Simple as that. Either you're a sucker or a liar, and if you're a liar you're doing it for some material reason. There's a price and the price is you have to play pretend and follow the rules.
>>18490956If your heart holds christ, then you see christ everywhere.
>>18490961>you submit yourself to the great lieI believe Christians call that "Having faith".
>>18490956Christians who believe in the True Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist:Greek Orthodox ChristiansRoman Catholic ChristiansOriental Orthodox ChristiansNestorian ChristiansLutheran ChristiansHigh Church Anglican Christians
>>18491168Orthodox just say "it's a mystery, somehow he's present". Basically no Protestant would disagree with that. Totally different from Catholic transubstantiation which says it definitively becomes Jesus in the literal sense. This idea is of course impossible to even begin to defend unless you completely destroy every word you use in a blender.
>>18491201https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_presence_of_Christ_in_the_Eucharist#Eastern_Orthodox,_Oriental_Orthodox_and_Assyrian>The Eastern Orthodox Churches and the Oriental Orthodox Churches, as well as the Churches of the East, believe that in the Eucharist the bread and wine are objectively changed and become in a real sense the Body and Blood of Christ.
>>18491225You're not really picking up on the difference here with transubstantiation. Not that it's your fault really since none of this makes any sense, but transubstantiation isn't an Orthodox dogma. The official stance it's that it's a mystery.
>>18491168The real presence is not at issue, but the notion of a change of substance or a substantial presence.
>>18491225Is it the body and blood of Christ in a real substantial way or real sacramental way?
>>18491239The Catholic belief is that the Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. The Orthodox belief is largely the same, except that the bread is different and they consider the method by which the bread becomes the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ to be a mystery.
>>18491241>The Eastern Orthodox Church's Synod of Jerusalem declared:>"We believe the Lord Jesus Christ to be present, not typically, nor figuratively, nor by superabundant grace, as in the other Mysteries... but truly and really, so that after the consecration of the bread and of the wine, the bread is transmuted, transubstantiated, converted and transformed into the true Body Itself of the Lord, Which was born in Bethlehem of the ever-Virgin Mary, was baptised in the Jordan, suffered, was buried, rose again, was received up, sitteth at the right hand of the God and Father, and is to come again in the clouds of Heaven; and the wine is converted and transubstantiated into the true Blood Itself of the Lord, Which, as He hung upon the Cross, was poured out for the life of the world."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_presence_of_Christ_in_the_Eucharist#Evangelical-Lutheran>Lutherans believe in the real presence of the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist, that the body and blood of Christ are "truly and substantially present in, with and under the forms" of the consecrated bread and wine (the elements), so that communicants orally eat and drink the holy body and blood of Christ Himself as well as the bread and wine (cf. Augsburg Confession, Article 10) in this Sacrament.
>>18491254>the robber synod organized under Jesuit influence that has no authority in the modern eastern churches I’m convinced
>>18491251There is no mention of soul and divinity in the Greek tradition because they do not believe in transubstantiation
>>18491251Man crazy that making something "the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ" does absolutely nothing to it. It's weird that Jesus himself is indistinguishable from crackers some phoney priest spoke magic words to. But #MysteriousWays
>>18491201>Totally different from Catholic transubstantiationCompletely wrong. The Catholic and Orthodox doctrine on the Holy Eucharist is equivalent. In fact, this is why the Catholic Church affirms that the Orthodox Eucharist is genuinely valid, despite considering them schismatics. Because the doctrine and sacrament theology on the Eucharist is exactly the same.Anglicans, Lutherans, and other prots on the other hand have an invalid Eucharist and are therefore just eating and worshiping a cracker.>Basically no Protestant would disagree with thatlol, lmao
>>18491432>>18491432>and are therefore just eating and worshiping a cracker.Say we had a Protestant pastor bless some bread, and a Catholic priest supposedly convert some other bread into Jesus. The two are randomly placed onto two separate plates. Is there any test that could ever be done besides asking God himself that would determine which bread is Jesus and which is bread, or will they both be absolutely indistinguishable in all possible scenarios, absent God telling you which is which?
>>18491255If those people just realized how dumb they're being, it would be like the meme where the facepalm causes the hand to go through the head. The embarrassement, you could just feel it.
>>18490956Remember that these are the same retards that think Kabblah is too schizo
>>18491432>this is why the Catholic Church affirms that the Orthodox Eucharist is genuinely valid, despite considering them schismatics. Because the doctrine and sacrament theology on the Eucharist is exactly the sameIt's not the doctrine that makes the sacraments valid. It's the power of the Holy Spirit.The eastern Orthodox have valid sacraments not because they understand it adequately, but because they are empowered by the Holy Spirit to administer them through an unbroken chain of ordination in apostolic succession.But yeah, they do believe it is the actual body of Christ. This is a shill thread and it's just lying brazenly about that.
>>18490956Why do you consider it foolish to believe the very words Christ spoke?
>>18490961also>you put the body of a man in your mouth
>>18492018>For centuries most of the powerful men in Europe had to get on on their knees in front of a gay pedophile in a dress to open their mouth wide to receive a man's body after said gay pedophile said some mystical words over it.>The people they were fighting with would stick their asses up in the air like little sluts while praying to their gods as an Arab man would sing like he was having a prostate orgasm>The people they claimed killed their god would read from a book and rock their pelvis back and forth to fuck God's pussyWhat the fuck is wrong with Abrahamists?
