https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdUdOvqF_OI&lc=Ugzu-F3ZUiQR21TP_Ux4AaABAg.ALs77EnhV1kAX71rpWsxZ3Please help me understand this, because it just pisses me off every time I try to make sense of it. Zizek makes a strange argument in which he brings up a story about a paranoid husband and his cheating wife. Somehow it is implied that we are supposed to discredit the wife's cheating because the husband is paranoid. It comes off as a silly ad hominem attack at worst and a misplaced clinical analysis turned moral argument at best. I don't care if the husband is a paranoid control freak. The wife cheated. That's a fact. Whether he has a complex about cheating partners seems to be a separate issue entirely. What is most unsettling is how the wife cheating is left open ended. I mean what is his solution here? Cuckoldry? He doesn't really answer that besides saying some bullshit that the husband shouldn't be paranoid and psychoanalyzed. How, when his paranoid fantasies are aggravated and validated? Sometimes it's not clear to me what is a hatred complex and simple pattern matching. I'm not going to deny facts because that might make people view me as paranoid or raycis. I'm not walking into the hood like I own the joint because I just know, call it my intuition, instinct or paranoia for all I care that it is an incredibly stupid idea, so I don't do it. Thank you for reading my blog.
>>18491403The least retarded leftard.He should explain what he means by "too much influence" because influence may be deserved. Like American blacks dominate their niggerball. Or faggots dominate the fashion industry (because straight men don't give a fuck).etc, etc. But don't expect an actual analysis from a leftard. Gommies versus nazis is a Special Olympics.
>>18491479Please provide your take on music. Who controls it and why?
>>18491482Music and cinema were historically the lowest forms of arts (gypsies were doing it, starlets were not welcome in good homes etc). Possibly (and I mean _possibly_) the Jews have elevated the whole industries to the current status of worshipped and influential stars. The music industry is primarily for making money for its owners (not for the artists obviously), why?>who controls it?why does it matter
>>18491403Consider that women who are very upset about the prospect of being raped are indeed facing a piece of the truth but if their psychology is governed by this then they are losing at life.He's not saying that the cheating of the wife is irrelevant. He's saying it's a distinct issue from the psychology of the husband, even while it "literally" has an effect on it.What he's doing is what every philosopher and spiritual teacher and poet is trying to do. To get you to read a poem and look past the immediate situation being described or the literal definitions of the words.But that's impossible to explain that to someone who doesn't already get it. It's the endgame of philosophy and spirituality. Whether you're talking about Nietzsche's ubermensch or Christianity's baptized martyrs: To be able to hold your hand over a flame and not be burned is the purpose of the human project.Getting cucked and being fundamentally altered is the same as getting stabbed in the belly or even just losing an argument because of some "literal" fact.The goal, the only correct outcome on your part, is transcendence. In less flowery language, but no less offensive - it's maturity. To be in the world, but not of it. To both experience it, and acknowledge it, while at the same time coming out on top of it, incorporating the damage, or the inconvenience, into your own growth, instead of letting it destroy you, or your argument. You cannot understand anything until you get over yourself. Even when you're talking about being physically harmed. Even death. You can and must get over yourself. Otherwise death wins, the cheating wife wins, the jew wins, the reddit fact wins, et cetera.
>>18491403>The wife cheated. That's a fact. Whether he has a complex about cheating partners seems to be a separate issue entirely.But why is the wife cheating? Is she a bad wife? Or is it because he's a bad husband? Or maybe it's because marriage isn't as functional of a concept as we imagine it to be and the cheating was bound to happen sooner or later. This is a metaphor more than a real analysis of marriage, but the problem isn't that she's cheating so much as the relationship is shitty. He's getting this from Jacques Lacan and the concept of a fetish object which is a focal point of a subject's desire, but the point is the husband's jealousy is pathological because it reveals underlying feelings of inadequacy, fear of abandonment, etc. In the case of antisemitism, they can be correct about over-representation of Jews in positions of power and influence. But his point isn't to argue with the antisemite and be like "no you're wrong and they're not overrepresented / don't own media organizations, etc." It's why the antisemite is so fixated on the Jew in the first place and what that is saying.It's like you see these left-wing Palestine protesters. A lot of what they say about Israel and Gaza is true, but that can be true and their obsession with Israel is still pathological, because they need Israel to sustain their own identity and ideology. This makes it a left fetish. Israel is the last thing a leftist sees before he's confronted with the naked social antagonisms, i.e. the lost / defeated class struggle in their own home country, the division of the left, their lack of concepts for a different society etc. The question is why does the guy invest everything into this one question? What are the fears that he avoids confronting through this obsession with Israel?
>>18491517Major truth nuke for 95%+ of the global population.
>>18491518First of all - if it's the marriage that's "actually" bad then why not obsess over the institution of marriage? "Marriage must be destroyed or rebuilt in my image." is a mantra which angry feminists and men both adhere to.Secondly you can't point out OPs potential inadequacies, even if you aren't blaming them, or talking about him specifically, or you'll lose the argument. You can say the point is to take the punch and outlast the pain but he'll just say that's a Jewish trick. >oh so just let the jews ruin my society?There is no way to communicate this without the goodwill of the listener. And if he had goodwill he wouldn't have been confused by Zizek in the first place.The old chad/incel memes described it very succinctly. Chad doesn't care whether girls are looking at or even thinking about other men and that makes him irresistible to Stacie. Wil-E-Coyote is laying all these autistic plans to catch the roadrunner and the bird just breaks physics and makes him eat shit.
>>18491492>Music and cinema were historically the lowest forms of artsYou are brown
>>18491539I am not, but you are an illiterate imbecile.
>>18491529>And if he had goodwill he wouldn't have been confused by Zizek in the first place.How so? Because I might be a psycho killer nazi? If it sticks it sticks regardless of the questions about my mental health and character. Jews also have a persecution complex, but you'll never here it from anyone because they'll get *bonked* into oblivion on policed spaces. They will draw swastikas and have controlled opposition just to continue their paranoid victim complex. Yet, dissenting voices are silenced and called "paranoid" even if this may not be the case. At what point do we ask who the paranoid one raeli is?
Jews are like termites that get attracted to the rot, so if an institution is rotten it will attract Jews. His point is that there are systemic issues which are a priori to the Jews.
>>18491482>your take on music.My take on music is this btw:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ssi-9wS1sopoint being, no matter who "controls" it, you can find music you personally like; and talented artists can support themselves doing what they were being born to do. One shekel more or shekel less - who cares.
>>18491403Women should simply killed for adultery as a crime against the state. It helps keep the bloodline pure against invasive agents.
>>18491403The modern people who claim to be Jews have nothing to do with the ancient or biblical Jews.Not realizing this fact is this guy's fundamental problem he still hasn't overcome.
>>18491492>Possibly (and I mean _possibly_) the Jews have elevatedThose who claim to be Jews today have nothing to do with the biblical Israel or Jews.
>>18491403>known as a great philosopher>doesn't speak about Advaita Vedanta
>>18491539You're a liar, since you cannot see him. Your word means shit.
>>18491732Codreanu said the same
>>18492490I dont need to see him. Only a brown third world sludge being would say something so stupid, and with conviction. By rushing to defend him you are displaying your repulsive brownness too
>>18491403Zizek is in this video subtly saying that Jews as an ethnic group tend to push transgenderism, homosex, sexual deviancy and all the other stuff that Nazis accuse them of but that Nazis take this too far and become obsessed with the Jews in themselves beyond the point of it even being normal.
It's just leftist brainrot, cheating is good moid is bad.
>>18491479>He should explain what he means by "too much influence" because influence may be deserved. Like American blacks dominate their niggerball. Or faggots dominate the fashion industry (because straight men don't give a fuck).Even then, "deserved" influence generally goes with "undeserved". Like nba stars being frequently blatantly manufactured (compare exclusively deserved influence like Jokic to largely undeserved like SGA to both like Lebron)Or the fashion industry being so insanely predatory that fags are advantaged by being more willing to give their ass away than a straight man and more attractive (to other fags) than women.
>>18492505Oh, I will tell you more retard-kun. We are all here to learn after all, aren't we? Not to just spew BS and fantasize about our greatness only because our skin gets blisters from sunlight.So, banking used to be a pretty lowlife, disrespected, risky and barely profitable business historically as well (think of shady criminal loan-sharks - well, they were all like that in the past). What has helped to turn bankers into "too big to fail" moguls is banking cartelization and government regulations (to say noting about nationalization kek) - all of which you pathetic, retarded nazbols wholeheartedly support.
>>18492566These are legitimate concerns. The owners just being Jewish, or black, or homosexual are not.
>>18492570cont btw, I have 3 learned professions and quite a lot of insider knowledge about other ones as well. They all have dirty secrets; no profession is clean. Teachers, lawyers, doctors, construction workers, municipal workers, etc etc - they are all generally scumbugs. Jews or no Jews.Business is currently organized in a manner resembling medieval guilds - with trade organizations ripping off the public and each other by all means imaginable.
>>18491517>if your wife cheats on you, you win
>>18491517>It's just leftist brainrot, cheating is good moid is bad.So Zizek is just letting antisemites know how to win at life? Uuuuh leftiebros, is this our champion?
>>18492569THIS NIGGA GOES ON 4CHAN TO LEARN
i was blown away to discover even the jews have their own jewish conspiracy, the Erev Rav.Antisemitism is just stupidity and a disease. Only stupid people are antisemitic and believe in jewish conspiracy. Even jews have their own version of it, so it just tells you its a stupid thing to believe.
>>18492721>jews have their own jewish conspiracy, the Erev Ravholy shit, I never heard about this, this is hilarious
>>18491403Two ways you can take it.Right-wing:>Jews are overrepresented in powerful institutions and wealth>skill issue for non-jewsLeft-wing:>Jews are overrepresented in powerful institutions and wealth>nobody should have so much power and wealth to begin with
>>18491403The point being that the husband's affliction is unrelated to the wife's actions.He's be paranoid about her cheating no matter what she did and he'll countinue to be paranoid about her cheating even after the fact. His mental frame explicitly does not reference reality.Paranoia isn't: "I don't hang around in the hood when I don't have to." Paranoia is: "I need a flashlight at all times, because some places are so dark I couldn't reliably spot a nigger."
>>18492733Okay, that's a fine clinical analysis, but I don't see how it follows that the wife's cheating should just be ignored. The wife is still a bad person irrespective of the monkey going on inside the man's brain. Is he being retarded on porpoise? It simply does not follow that we should just excuse jewish crime because the person exposing it is a paranoid antisemitic freak. Spinning off into clinical analysis of paranoid fantasies doesn't take away the moral fact of the wife's infidelity. To suggest it does is sophistry. I guess that is kind of his shtick right? Going into complex bullshit to try to distract from the raw facts of the matter.
>>18492745The wife's actual cheating is at best tangentially and accidentally related to the husband's state of mind here. Him finding out that she cheated on him doesn't bring him any resolve, he remains stuck in his paranoid obsession. At worst, he'll generalize his paranoia to all of his social relationships.
>>18491403He's committing a massive fallacy here.>Yes, your wife really was sleeping around but you're still crazy for being so paranoid about it!
>>18492770i think the point is that the guy would be paranoid either way
>>18492733And all of that is an exceedingly dangerous philosophical path to go down. Because you can reframe anyone's genuine concerns as paranoia.
>>18492771And that "point" is a fallacy.It's a dismissal without facts or evidence.
>>18492774This.
>I would never do that, that's crazy!>Well, I *did* do that, but you're still in the wrong for thinking I would ever do that! Psycho/Dark Triad type of behavior.
>>18491403His argument regresses to "anti-semitism is an incoherent, evil position and engaging with it is inherently granting it a degree of plausibility". But this regresses into the meme of "I can't even with you" and a refusal to engage in discussion. It's also implying that by engaging in discussion one must tacitly acknowledge the plausibility of the opposing party's arguments, which is true but also is not inherently an acceptance of a partial belief in those arguments. If someone says he thinks his dog is making troll posts about him on the internet, and I say "what makes you think that?" it does not mean some part of me believes that is actually possible other than in the most remote and theoretical ways, which is allowed and should not reflect on me as an ethical or moral judgment.
>>18492783https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA7L37EJPJU&list=RDDA7L37EJPJU&start_radio=1So it's basically him saying in a sniveling snort sniff fashion I hate you and do not wish to even discuss anything with you because I think you are an evil crazy nazi or some bullshit. They have him on a tight leash don't they?
>>18492771>i think the point is that the guy would be paranoid either wayI don't give a fuck. I cannot in good faith say someone is paranoid if they are fucking right, even if they have a seekwet cuck fetish bullshit inside their dome piece.
>>18492040So what should we call them, anon?
>>18492721>Erev RavHow is this not talked about often?
>>18492497Yeah, but this is not anti semetic per say, even if you exterminate the Jews the Anglos would take their place.
>>18492777Yes. It is fallacious argumentation used to excuse shitty behavior.
>>18492774In case of the Jews, the problem was that migrant communities very commonly become the nucleus of criminal ventures, simply because money don't stink and control over expat communities is comparatively easy to maintain as people like sticking with people that don't alienate them daily. The locals will also generally indirectly assist migrant criminality through discriminatory behaviour.Thing is that this is not race-based, it's the result of everybody being normal with a few folks actively turning a dime from crime facilitate by the the fallout of it. It is not paranoid to acknowledge the reality of that, but it very much is paranoid to propose that all minority communities are Schrödinger's criminals, so we gotta bust them up to be sure.>>18492793Folks posting online and carrying cell phones should understand that you can be under active surveillance, you can know for a fact that you are under active surveillance and you can still not be paranoid about it.Being right and being paranoid are unrelated. You're paranoid once you intensively feel that everything in your life happens because you are being surveilled and said surveillance is actively being used to fuck with you in fundamental, inescapable ways.
He is just saying you rant about jews due to a pathology not some logical evaluation.If you were concerned by Soros, Epstein, Bloomberg, Fink and the rest, then you would refer to them by name and explain specifically what they did. If they are part of an ethnic clique, then you'd refer to them that way, like the Italian mafia or Albanian mafia. That would be the logical way to go about it.Yet on /pol/ what do you see? It's just "jews", jew this jew that 24/7, very few details that would be important if you were unravelling some extant jewish conspiracy. Obviously some jewish delicatessen isn't involved with the hedge funds and federal reserve or whatever, yet they stick with the very broad "jews". It is not about corruption and bringing them to book for their crimes, it is not even about the conspiracy itself, it is about jews.
>>18492844>you can know for a fact that you are under active surveillance and you can still not be paranoid about it.Tell those faggots at the Eglin airbase I said hi.
>>18492845>Doesn't know jews raeli are sorcerors farming us for mana
>>18492845>He is just saying you rant about jews due to a pathology not some logical evaluation.No, he is saying he doesn't fuck with people like us at all even if we have the mildest criticism of the jews.
>>18492794>>18492844>Schrödinger's criminalsThey both did crime and are not guilty for it.
https://www.thehiddenorchard.com/its-the-jews-the-erev-rav-and-the-golden-calf/
>>18492776>>18492774Shark attack happens vs Jaws is a nature documentaryFOX News is a TV channel vs FOX News is a news channel
>>18492845>It's just "jews", jew this jew that 24/7No raeli, I'd also much rather have them shut the fuck up about their jewry. I don't give a fuck about the holocaust, I never did and I never will. If they want to be treated like a normal human being they have to abandon their shitty cult that congregates in the sewers and acts like they are better than everyone else. Most of them don't do that, like most other religionfags because it gives them meaning, porpoise, power, agency etc.
>>18492777If there was no genuine reason to believe the person was doing "that", whatever it was, then yes the person was still in the wrong for making the accusation, even if it turned out to be true. If I randomly say "Jason Alexander is a cannibalistic serial killer!" with not a shred of evidence for it, that's unethical. Even if at some point later on he did turn out to be killing and eating people.
>>18492845No, you're sanewashing him.That might have been what he was trying to say, but the words that came out of his mouth created a different scenario.
>>18492871>shitty cultthere is alot of secular atheist jews>congregate in the sewersmost jews aren't part of ultraorthodox sects like the one in nyc
>>18492721>>18492863you could theorise that antisemitism actually originates from the jews themselves because the christians and muslims adapted their religions from Judaism so took the Erev rav myth with them. A cruel irony, that an ancient part of Jewish lore may have spawned this horrible mental disease and resulted in their own persecution.
>>18492926>oy vey itsa whorrrrrrable mental dizease
>>18492789subliterate
>>18491479>Gommies versus nazis is a Special Olympics.All historical or political discussions are Special Olympics, because people argue about ideologies which differ only in different extents of authoritarianism.
>>18491403>Please help me understand thisHe's making two simple points:>1) People aren't antisemitic because of the facts, they are antisemitic to begin with and then they look for facts to support their view.He's saying one shouldn't argue about the facts (which are true). It's true Jews are over-represented in Hollywood, that still doesn't mean it excuses antisemitism.>2) Just because these things they say may be true, that doesn't excuse antisemitism.Basically, just because some Jews (I think he'd even go so far as to say that it could be most Jews) behave in a certain way or do certain things that doesn't mean you should categorically hate all Jews. You shouldn't hate a person before you meet them and hating a whole group of people, the large majority of whom you've never met before, is not good.It's OK to hate people based on their actions, but not based on things they can't control (like what race or part of world they were born in).When he says "a priori" antisemitism, that means hating Jews before even knowing about the facts. He compares it to a jealous husband, who thinks he's wife is cheating. She very well may be cheating, but that isn't why he thinks she's cheating. He doesn't know if she is. He thinks she's cheating because HE thinks she's cheating. The husband may find out later that she is cheating, but he didn't base his past feelings and thoughts on future facts (because he wasn't sure if she even was, he just suspected it).I hope that explains it, OP.
