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>In USA public school
>studying North American Amerindian history
>it’s the most boring thing ever
Why is North America before European arrivals so dull and lifeless?
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They are much more interesting then "white" ameritards tbqh.
Now instead North America is full of fat Drumpfsters, niggers, spics and walmarts, ugh what could have been
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>>5618108
Because for the most part it's literally not history.

Only the Meso Americans had a writing system, the Inca had quipu I guess, but for the rest if the Americas there's nothing. I guess you could study their oral "history" and learn how fox talked to crow and how they climbed out of center of the earth or whatever. But it's not really history.
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>>5618135
>amerindians banging rocks and generic Siberian animism is more interesting than American culture, the most influential culture in human history
Kek, stay mad
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>>5618148
>is more interesting than American culture, the most influential culture in human hist
you mean the most cancerous, shallow and degenerate culture in human history
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Don't you dare forget the real Confederacy. That has some top-tier history.
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>>5618108
>Why is North America before European arrivals so dull and lifeless?

Because American schools do a terrible job at educating students. Also romanization of pre-Columbian Native Americans is way too rampant in American society for it to be really taught objectively.
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>>5618108
Tbqh the South Amerindians were a bit more interesting, with the whole cities and junk.
Frankly, I’m shocked they managed to get that far with hardly any contact with the Old World (until, you know)
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>>5618289
Do you want me to mention Columbus? Or would you rather I talk about Erickson?
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>>5618108
>>5618251
>>5618148
>>5618135
I romanticize the northern Amerindians but not because of their race
>diseases from European explorers wipe out 90% of Amerindians
>(((civilized))) societies like the Mississippi faggots or the southwestern pueblo cultures completely collapse, massive deurbanization
>what is left ends up living in a decelerated, post-apocalyptic, tribal, pastoralist utopia pretty much until Manifest Destiny
Unironically jealous of them, wish such an event happened on a global scale right now.
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>>5618297
Id rather you not be a deliberately pedantic fuckwit
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>>5618140
One could say the same thing about all of Europe north of Greece/Rome before Christianity.
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>>5618346
>(((civilized))) societies like the Mississippi faggots or the southwestern pueblo cultures completely collapse, massive deurbanization
what is mesoamerica
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>>5618855
And one does
One of the first things taught in history class in my country is that for us prehistory ended and history begun when the Romans came and introduced us to writing
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>>5618108
You actually learned their history?
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>>5618855
The differences is that we have Greeks and Romans who wrote about them, even if Celts and Germans didn't leave written records themselves.
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>>5618923
Yeah. A good portion of those who lived in the Northeast. Did you grow up in the 1940s or something?
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>>5618935
I'm in Massachusetts and we learned about the Algonquians, but for some reason they didn't tell us about the Solutrean hypothesis of Algonquian origins
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>>5618935
No I grew up in the Chicago suburbs and graduated in 09
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>>5619070
so you are lying or didn't pay attention.
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>>5618237
Iroquois government system is top tier, very elaborate but elegant
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>>5619086
No they don't teach about Indians here unless you take an elective class called local history, and they rarely talk about them because Indians avoided the Chicago area unless they were passing through it for trade.
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>>5618857
Something unrelated to my post?
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>>5619122
Well it disproves your point about an urban collapse and apocalypse
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>>5619141
Not really. Seeing how Mexico is it's own thing and different from the rest of North America
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>>5619141
Literally read the 4th word of my post.
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>>5619157
>>5619165
Mexico is literally in the North American continent
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>>5619207
>MESO America
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>>5619117
So you only learned history of chicago? standard world and american histort teaches of amerindians
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Lots of interesting things have happened throughout prehistory that we'll never know about, and American natives were still in prehistory until Europeans arrived.
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>>5618108
Anthropology and archaeology is where Indians really get interesting, the shit they pulled was pretty impressive. Look up Pueblo Bonito and keep in mind that the only other people who really did anything similar were the Minoans.
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>>5618148
>American culture, the most influential culture in human history
Pathetic
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>>5620138
American history here doesn't talk about them unless it involves them fighting with the colonists/settlers
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>>5618135
t. Chief Drinks a lot
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>>5618108
>what is mexico
Maybe the natives in Canada and the United States are boring but Mesoamerica is extremely interesting and they still discover new things every year. Fucking palefaces lmao
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Your teachers are teaching you all of the boring shit, so blame them for that. Native American history only gets interesting after colonization.
Tribal Alliances:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Three_Fires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Indian_alliance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Confederacy
Wars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
War Recommendations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Indian_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecumseh's_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminole_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche_Wars
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>>5618108
Because they all got killed by fucking disease. Societies collapsed, old settled societies became nomadic due to horses. There are accounts of entire fields of wheat being untended. It was like mad max.
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>>5620539
is that jontron?
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It's less that it's not interesting and more that the public education on the precolumbian Americas is fucking shit

Go read 1491: New Relavations of the Americas Before Columbus (and then it's sequel) that alone will do a better job then literally every history claass you have or will ever take combined about it, and it waas made specifically as a wake up call to how public schooling teaches tthis shit.

Pic related; and tthen if you iinclude Mexicoo in North Ameriicaa there's litterally as much shit going on as ancient europe, asia, and the middle east

>>5620138
Barely, only in the context of how it affected colonization.
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>>5619117
>No they don't teach about Indians here
"Today we will talk about the history of Chicago. Any questions?"
"What language does the word Chicago come from?"
"Uhhh...next question?"
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>>5618108
Always felt the same desu and this is coming from a Native.
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>>5618135
kek
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>be native american tribesman
>spend centuries banging rocks and attacking your neighbours
>bloody and brutal wars and fighting between native american tribes not common
>very few if any attempts at sustainability or stability, just short-sighted rock banging and opportunistic wars
>europeans arrive
>ruh roh
>try to attack them from time to time, get absolutely fucked
>try to be peaceful, they ignore you or tell you to fuck off
>get your shit pushed in again and again and again
>at no point do you learn from your experience
>europeans offer you shiny beads and trinkets for ancestral lands
>"yes please!!!"
>get bullied continually any time you try to not submit to this superior civilisation
>entire society wiped out and reduced to a non-entity
>centuries later they decide to allow your people to continue to live based on their empathy and mercy, a tech your civilisation hasn't unlocked yet
>they give you your land BACK despite winning it or buying it from you
>you sit on this land and huff petrol or get drunk
>you sit on this land and mope about what definitively couldn't have been
>you then turn to this society that granted you the right to continue to exist out of sheer mercy and call them evil land stealing murderers
>they don't even notice or just threaten to take your petrol away if you don't fuck off
>go sit with chief dog-rimmer and cry

The land wasn't stolen it was either bought or taken by a people no less savage than the Europeans themselves, I will always get out of bed a little easier knowing I'm not a petrol huffing asshurt native american
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>>5622077
>try to attack them from time to time, get absolutely fucked
actually native north Americans had a phenomenal k/d ratio against Euros, way better than native south Americans or the 19th century Chinese

they're really up there with the best, believe it or not
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>muh cities

the Iroquois League still exists...
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>>5622077
>very few if any attempts at sustainability or stability, just short-sighted rock banging and opportunistic wars
The natives literally lived a far more sustainable existence than the energy-hungry Europeans
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We, the women of the Iroquois
Own the Land, the Lodge, the Children
Ours is the right to adoption, life or death;
Ours is the right to raise up and depose chiefs;
Ours is the right to representation in all councils;
Ours is the right to make and abrogate treaties;
Ours is the supervision over domestic and foreign policies;
Ours is the trusteeship of tribal property;
Our lives are valued again as high as man's.
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>>5618140
Mi'kmaq tribes around Maine had a writing system but they fought against Americans so they don't like to talk about them in Amerifat education.
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>>5622077
>>5622471
And Native cultures can hardly be called "short-sighted rock banging", in fact in many ways they're comparable to the cultures of northern and eastern Europe before the rise of Christianity
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>>5622471
>energy-hungry Europeans
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>>5622545
>Since there is no historical or archaeological evidence of these symbols from before the arrival of this missionary, it is unclear how ancient the use of the mnemonic glyphs was. The relationship of these symbols with Mi'kmaq petroglyphs is also unclear.
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>>5618108
Post-Columbian American history is interesting because it's so well-documented. Pre-Columbian history is largely undocumented. Oral traditions are neat and all, but they usually don't have the depth of character and intimacy of primary sources.
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>>5618108
>amerindian
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>>5618108
>Why is North America before European arrivals so dull and lifeless?

Because Andrew Jackson is the "Burner of the Library of Alexandria" of America. The Indian Removal act destroyed more Indigenous American history than pretty much any other event in American history. Add to that the huge amount of Indian artifacts kept by collectors and museums which were they European or Asian would return to their rightful owners when the historical record of the object shows it was obtained illegitimately.

How do you have a history when your owners don't want to let you have it? When the average citizen of your "country" thinks you all wear war-bonnets and smoke peace pipes every week? When the beauty of a natural and sacred landscape is demolished to honour foreigners (Mount Rushmoore)?

It's boring because they want to keep it boring to stop you from learning of the horror and shame that comes with devaluing an entire people.
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>>5622560
the guy didn't invent this shit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiigwaasabak
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>>5622077
>europeans arrive
>ruh roh
>try to attack them from time to time, get absolutely fucked

First European contact with Native Americans involved Vikings getting BTFO. They called them Skraelings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skr%C3%A6ling
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>>5622560
>archaeological evidence
>of birch bark scrolls

You're not very bright are you?
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>>5622593
Whoa damn, and Ojibwe and Mi'kmaq are both Algonquian so this definitely checks out, thanks for the informative link anon
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>>5618237
>>5619110
Can we get a rundown? Maybe a greatest hits compilation?
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>>5622599
How low IQ do you have to be to brag about defeating a handful of explorers?
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>>5622579
>injun history

Oooyaaa hoooya chief dog dick the shitting raven has spotted pale gods.
We better give them all our gold and women.
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>>5622599
Vikings kidnapped some of their women and brought them to Iceland. No wonder the Natives fought them, they were the same rapist cunts in America as in Europe.
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>>5622552
Then why didn't the injuns go around making bronze or steel weapons?

Why did they use wooden clubs cowered in sharp stones?
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>>5622782
Lol injun women threw themselves at what they saw as white gods
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>>5622789
It's OK anon, if you believe this hard enough Lauren the half-indian chick at school will finally give you a blowjob
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>>5618855
Nobody is arguing with you retard. The Romans are the only reason we know about them.
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>>5622077
t.conquistador idolater
most of what you said is wrong
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>>5622799
Actually l am involuntarily celibate.
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>>5622620
>>5618140

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqlHrYhvjJY
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>>5622785
Cultural complexity =/= technological advancement
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>>5622921
tools are important cultural items, and the degree of their advancement is important to complex cultures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toggling_harpoon#History
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>>5622785
Because bronze weapons is a product of metalworking millenias after developing 1100ºC furnaces. And these furnaces were developed by middle-late neolithic cultures.

Injuns were early-middle neolithic cultures. And once they would have developed these furnaces (if they didn't get it from mesoamericans) there would still be millenia before they developed bronze weapons.
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>>5622789
Holy shit this is pathetic lmfao. Nice, Eugene
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>All this relativism

Yikes!
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>>5618346
nigga don't say shit about mississippians
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>>5619117
>he isn't an expert on the oneota
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>>5624668
All civilized peoples are trash, so they were trash. Deserved the extinction.
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>>5620792
No offense, but 1491 is definitely guilty of wildly romanticising pre-Columbian populations. Plus, the author tended to take upper-level predictions and treat it like a certainty
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>>5624631
Prove objectivism is better.
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>>5618108
I'm sure it would be interesting if we had much of it. All there is, is archaeology, genetic and linguistic information, and folktale stuff.
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>>5618108
Its far from boring their names are legal subrogations. Usually in Spanish, English, French...
Algonquin. All Gone Quin (here)
Apache. Father, here.
Shoshoni. Show Show, Ni (didn’t show)
Navajo. Split/Cut
Ute. And You.
Lakota. Ato Cal. Bonded/Rodeod by Gun.
Arikara. What will you do here.
Seminole. Semen Ole.

It’s technically the oldest American legalese tradition. Gives insight to the charter and what occurred. What they expect.
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>>5625711
Some are schemese and not a native peoples. So they get penalized by IVF. Meaning they need to get sponsored by legitimate tribes. Usually an ethnic Hannic people that pulled legal schemes for land claims.
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>>5625718
They were put by the white man as a business deal. Nobody respects it. Look what occurred in Central America they were primarily guerillas and disturbed the native peoples themselves.
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>>5622545
>ebin

lol
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>>5622545
https://atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/the-discovery-of-the-old-world-by-native-americans/
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>>5625733
In South America you have Aymara and Quechuas. Which ultimately is the Viracocha crisis. Which are legal subrogations. One said they were the cause of fulfillment/destiny. The other is viracocha. Prostitution. They are both assigned under Mapuche which are the only Incas and only real last true natives in the region. They are technically the lawyers.
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well, I suppose it's not far removed from scouring for anything the neolithic man left behind
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>>5625765
Microcode conversations technically. You have to know phrases and sayings of the time and know what time. Because it determines a political/legal influence. Many are done in partial French due to Napoleonic Spanish forces.
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>>5625248
I can't speak for the non-mesoamerican parts of the book, but nothing what is said about mesoamericn cultures is romanticized or exaggerated from what I recall, people VASTLY underestimate their complexity so truthful accurate assessments of them sounds wildly exaggerated.
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>>5618108
Read pic related, OP.

The Indian Wars were full of cool dudes committing bloody atrocities. The interesting stuff is just removed from the normal school curriculum to avoid controversy.
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>>5625778
Whom spoke Castilian day to day. And had a French-Castilian dialect. So just imagine the atrocities and occurrences that surrendered a tribe to that microlinguistic name. And to a more recent extent the Siberian situation involving the Canadian and Alaskan homesteader. An ultimate resignation and desire to go back home. And their bilingual education system. Which is Brazil-Portugal’s interest. Their displacement, why? because it gives them leverage over eastern Russia. Portugal got invaded by a whole bunch of Portuguese people.
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>>5625791

the idiosyncrasy of the indian wars, and small conflicts aren't nearly as important as the impediment they presented to westward expansion I'd say.
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>>5625802
So the Chinese homesteaders had been illicitly abused to settle disputes with the Iroquois or nickname cuys/quois for short. Many of whom were tradesmen. They also were displaced in Central America as workers and went thru Galapagos and settled in South America. This is all after 1920s. And they picked up the custom of calling the Cuori. Cuy. Which they eat as a sign of disrespect for the surrounding indigenous.
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>>5622754
There is a video about it.

I don't like shilling, but its from the guy who uses mspaint shapes and muh pomerium.
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>>5625765
>They are both assigned under Mapuche which are the only Incas and only real last true natives in the region.
The fuck are you talking about
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>>5618135
Are you just casting a wide net with the hope of offending as many as possible?
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North American Amerindian fought pretty fucking hard till the very end for their right to exist, especially compared to their "civilized" counterparts in Central and South America. They adapted exceptionally well, adopted guns and horses, and gave a noble last stand. The last conflict between Apache and US authorities occurred in 1924, well into the 20th century.
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>>5622775
>muh merlin
>muh greek homosex
>muh pig farms
>muh faggy roman larpers

dont you fags ever get tired of circle jerking eachother
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>>5622599
The very fact of a Viking expedition across the Atlantic is mindboggling. The contrast with the brainless, barbaric Indian natives is extreme.
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>>5626052
were they brainless like your typical 20th century meth addict?
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>>5626041
Akoocheemoya
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>>5618855
Who the fuck here is going to argue that anon? You might get one we wuzing /pol/ack that's it.





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