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What else could he have done?
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>>5618438
nothing
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Run away to London while his people get massacred by occupiers

Polish politicians did that.
Sure millions od Polish civilians died for nothing, but at least Polish politicians could live a cozy life and not get called "traitors" after the war
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>>5618438
Not collaborate with nazis
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>>5618492
You need to win the war for that
The purpose of war is that the losers collaborate with the victors
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Not telling the men to stop fighting before the armistice.
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>>5618506
>The purpose of war is that the losers collaborate with the victors
The only thing that Nazi Germany asked was that they stop fighting them. He had no obligation to deport jews, and he did not have to collaborate with Nazis, that's something he decided on his own
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>>5618438
Run away to the UK and ride the allied coattails while claiming the moral high ground.
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>>5618549
Are you trolling or do you unironically believe this non-sense?
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>>5618438
He could lived a comfy like in Britain and let his countrymen die in droves
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>>5618600
I fucking wish he did so France would get fucked up. Fuck Pierre and Pierrette.
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>>5618594
But it's true
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>>5618670
Sure
It's just some epic coincidence that all nations defeated by Nazi Germany (France, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Poland...) ended up deporting their jews...
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>>5618670
Except it's not Thibault. France had to give a certain quota of jews each month, while it's true that Pétain did more than ggermany expected he was still forced to hand over a certain number of jews. Pétain collaborated with the ennemy but he was still kinda decent doing his job. Now fuck off you anti-macron piece of shit.
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>>5618715
>Now fuck off you anti-macron piece of shit.
Claiming Pétain was a disgusting traitor who should not be honored is not being anti-macron, it's simply telling the truth. And it's the norm too, everyone besides Zemmour knox he is evil. Even Macron said he did horrible things during WWII, he just praised him for his role during WWI.
And by the way yes i'm Anti-Macron too, but it doesn't really have to do anything.
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Resistance meant the Nazis rounding up civilians and massacring them as retribution against partisans. Poland lost ~3 million ethnic Poles alone due to either resistance or starvation.

That could have happened to France if Petain hadn't surrendered.
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>>5618520
>>5618492
Continued fighting would have led to the deaths of millions if French civilians
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>>5618812
Yeah, good thing they had millions of Allies to die for them instead.
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>>5618819
Exactly, why waste precious lives when others can do it for you?
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>>5618549
Are you retarded? If they didn't follow German demands and/or resisted Germany would invade the rest of Vichy France
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>>5618819
The vast majority of the fighting was in the Soviet Union a conflict that France had no influence in or alliance with to begin with.

The allied liberation mostly had to do with blocking Russia from taking all if western Europe. France had no say in anything, any real resistance would have had them ending yo like the Slavs with many millions dead.
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>>5618830
Which did happen later anyway
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>>5618844
Not even remotely to the extent it happened in Poland, Belarus, or Ukraine. France suffered nothing close to the wartime atrocities that the Eastern Slavic states suffered and that was largely due to the early capitulation by the leadership.
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>>5618812
I did not say to keep fighting. But you stop fighting at the armistice, not before.

>>5618828
Why waste precious lives when ameridumbs and brits allowed Germany to stay strong after ww1
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>>5618438
Not been a cuckold traitor and died fightin
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>>5618715
>I support Macron
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>>5618715
>Unironic Macron supporter
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>>5618715
He should be remember as the winner of Verdun and the traitor of the occupation.
And if you think that not liking Petain is anti macron you'r a cunt.
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Petain did nothing wrong. He realized how futile the Second World War was and did the right thing to try and get France out of it the best he can.

Fuck De Guille the prick and coward and ungrateful son of a bitch.
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>>5619079
>just destroy your entire country for no strategical purpose lmao
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>>5618438
Not overdeliver on every German demand.
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Literally uttered a few sentences?

>You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be.
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>>5618438
Not surrender like a bitch.
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>>5619281
This
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>>5618843
>The allied liberation mostly had to do with blocking Russia from taking all if western Europe.
Yeah that's why Stalin was whining for the Allies to open up a second front the entire time
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>>5618549
>He had no obligation to deport jews, and he did not have to collaborate with Nazis, that's something he decided on his own
He also didn't need to breathe or have his non-jewish population rounded up and slaugthered. It was clearly a "Do it or we'll kill you, a bunch of your people as an example, then install a different, more loyal puppet."

We all like to laugh about the "Cheese-eating surrender monkey's" but in all honesty, they did what they could, the only difference between them surrendering and not surrendering was that a lot more French civilians would have been killed had they chosen to fight on.
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>>5618438
Not collaborate with the Nazis and fight against them. You can talk all you want about what the pragmatic choice was, the early fall of France allowed Germany to more efficiently carry out a campaign of genocide that killed millions upon millions of people. Petain did the "right" thing for France and the wrong thing for Humanity in general. Act like that all you like, don't expect anyone to look at you as being anything other then a purely tribalist and self-interested little shit heel.
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>>5621475
>It was clearly a "Do it or we'll kill you, a bunch of your people as an example, then install a different, more loyal puppet."
It was not.

Historians have recently had access to a bunch of documents from Vichy and Pétain was even harder on jews than he was supposed to be. No one asked him to create the Milice. Basically he was over-zealous. Also, people tend to forget he was voted full power, it's not like he was picked by the Nazis. The guy was voted full power and decided to not only surrender, but collaborate. In the end, the free zone was invaded anyway.
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>>5618438
Genocide the Fr*nch
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>>5621475
>but in all honesty, they did what they could
what is with this limp dick apologetics? fuck off
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>>5618609
Absolutely and utterly based
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>>5621475
Explain why that is a bad thing.

Better dead than Nazi.
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>>5618438
He made france puppet state like "ukraine"
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>>5621564
Historians all agree that the only difference between France surrendering and France fighting on is that Paris would've been bombed into the ground, then a surrender would have been forced. I mean, look at what the Nazi's did to every single other country they conquered.
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>>5621597
somehow the russians didn't just surrender despite far worse circumstances
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>>5618715
I've got you Jvpiterian right here.
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>>5618549
Watch the video of Zemmour's discussion the other day on the news, he goes into this in some detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6vSMl_TWk4
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>>5618796
>everyone
>And by the way yes i'm Jewish too, but it doesn't really have to do anything.
Fixed that for ya
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>>5621627
Completely different circumstances.

>France:
>heavily industrialized
>good roads and transportation, Tanks can easily deploy in vast numbers
>Close to home, short supply lines
>Good weather

>Russia:
>Heavily industrialized only in the center
>Little in the way of roads and transport, most tanks getting bogged down are written off. Some still there to this day.
>Far from homeland, supply lines are long and difficult to maintain
>The shittiest weather known to mankind.

Invading France and invading Russia is the difference between making a bacon sandwich and making a souffle, sure they're both food, but it's not even remotely the same process.
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>>5618856
No france didn't suffer atrocities because as anglos they were higher on the racial hierarchy (for the German government ateast). Compare treating of a French POW with a polish or russian POW
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>>5621698
the russians suffered heavier losses during one month of barbarossa than the french did over six years. they didn't capitulate because they had a pair of functioning balls and weren't nazi bootlickers, end of.
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>>5621961
)))
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>>5622659
i'm not russian
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>>5622694
Yet you still manage to be a retarded vatnik, so congrats, I guess.
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>>5622701
would rather be a vatnik than a french bootlicker tbqhfamalam
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>>5622702
t.otally not a Russian
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>>5621591
death is literally the worst thing though
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>>5621475
>Germany would have killed every single French person if he said no
Germany had far bigger problems than the south of France not constantly sucking their cock, this is on par with the Irish on agreeing to the first terms you get without even attempting to put pressure on the enemy
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>>5622707
had no idea rehashing relatively common knowledge about the eastern front made me a russian but ok
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>>5621680
Are you retarded ?
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>>5622742
non, just French, comme vous.
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>>5621531
>Historians have recently had access to a bunch of documents from Vichy and Pétain was even harder on jews than he was supposed to be. No one asked him to create the Milice.

Just when Europeans are starting to get less and less eager to remember the holocaust and obey jews blindly
What a (((Cohen-cidence))))....
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>>5622729
>Germany had far bigger problems than the south of France not constantly sucking their cock

Only after the USSR entered the war
Before that their only "problem" was Britain and it was a fucking joke
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>>5621627
Reminder that the Russians retreated on an area 4 times the size of France before they were able to stop the German advance
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>>5622796
>Calling your enemy a joke
>When you had a year to take it out all by itself and failed on every fucking front
How fucking pathetic does that make Germany?
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>>5622817
Germany was ruling Europe while you were hiding
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>>5618438

Died carrying the flag of his country into battle.
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>>5618438
Who says he had to do anything?
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>>5622822
>Rule Europe
>Couldn't even beat fucking Britain
>LARPing anon sucks its dick 70 years later
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>>5622835
Keep hiding, bongistani ape
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>>5622840
Name calling is a bit rich when you are yet to win a war because a 240km stretch of water is too hard for your Krautlet brain to comprehend
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>>5622851
*loses to a bunch of Zulus*
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>>5622861
*loses to the guys who lost to Zulus*
*twice*
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>>5622798
they stopped the german advance, which is something the utterly pathetic french effort failed to even attempt.
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>>5622798
Pretty sure that there were also more Russians POWs than the entirety of the French army in 1940
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>>5621677
Damn those leftist are so fucking slimy ''academic can continue to study the matter, but as far as national memory is concerned, it is out of the question that Petain be a part of it''
absolutely fucking disgusting. Glad to see Zemmour isn't the only one calling them out on their lies and manipulation.
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>>5623203
That Jewish chap sounded almost reasonable (the legal argument) but lost it when it came to the distinction between "memoire" and "approved history" - and Zemmour was right to demolish his Stalinist (le kek!) view of history.
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>>5621496
He was responsible for his people not for the world, and so what if the nazi killing machine got slightly more efficient? That's only better for the world, because it meant they could take more communists with them to die on the eastern front.
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>>5618438
Well he could always have hid behind the skirt of Britain and screeched across the channel like De Gaulle did.
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>>5621961
No, they didn't capitulate because they were headed by a coward who was going to put literally every last man woman and child under his command between himself and Hitler. A good percentage of Russian losses were to their own men, and to the fucking morons who were leading them, because Stalin was such a paranoid fuck, that he executed all of his veteran officers. The Russians were like Rats, In large numbers, when they are frightened, they can turn into a fucking pack of ravenous death.
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>>5621949
Wrong

Slavs that capitulated to German demands like Czechs, Slovaks, and Croats were spared from most massacres. Had the French resisted like the Poles, racial attitudes would be ignored and they would be slaughtered by the millions anyway.
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>>5621456
Stalin knew that a second front would make Russia's position much easier by drawing away German arms, men and resources. He was nothing if not practical.
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>>5624774
>le purge meme
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>>5618438
Petain was the best French leader since Napoleon... Politically.
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>>5624800
What a retarded statement. By all metrics even De Gaulle did a better job getting France to maintain its sense of pride during and after the war, even posturing as one of the great victors





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