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What went wrong in Rhodesia?Before Mugabe, of course.
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>>5622122
Apartheid type governments generally suck. Not just from a social standpoint either, but economically and militarily.
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>>5622123
Militarily, I mean.
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>>5622124
Well by nature of separationist governing, their army was half conscripts. That kills morale and fighting ability. They dug themselves into a hole by not making early concessions and were plagued by shortages of supplies and weapons due to embargoes. They ended up being successful in face to face skirmishes, but had no friends to speak of. Kinda like the US in Vietnam.
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When Portugal pulled out of Mozambique and they lost their economic trade route to the sea.
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>>5622123
>Rhodesia
>Apartheid
Ayup, you're a retard.
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eternal anglo
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>>5622122
White people outside Rhodesia
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>>5622123
>economically
Rhodesia was one of Africa's wealthiest and most progressive nations.
>apartheid
Voting rights were for all landowners, regardless of skin color
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>>5622122
All the colonial powers in Europe bailed harder than a deadbeat dad on a milk run and left almost nothing to keep the peace. France, Portugal, the Dutch, fucking England/Britain, some managed to do somewhat well while others devolved into complete shitholes with 5 civil wars and conflicts a week.
>>5622123
Rhodesia wasn’t apartheid anon, that was South Africa. Hell even blacks in Rhodesia were slotting floppies.
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>>5622127
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>>5622131
I realize _technically_ this is true, but if you hear interviews with blacks (intelligent blacks, not just the communists) who grew up before the collapse they very much felt treated like second class citizens. It wasn't as rosy as /k/ and /pol/ like to jerk off over.

I wish the whites had won the war, though.
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>>5622132
Second class people deserve second class treatment.
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>>5622122
Going to Africa
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>>5622129
Well, you are not wrong.
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>>5622122
The Rothschilds changed their minds and stopped giving them shekels.
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>>5622137
Weren't the Israelis ignoring the UN sanctions tho?
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>>5622138
Israel's situation is complicated. The Rothschilds founded it, but they kind of shot themselves in the foot by doing so because it became a bulwark of nationalism. Ever since then they've been trying to regain control.
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>>5622139
Wait, Jews going against other jews?
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>>5622122
Rhodesia would've survived if they succumbed to international pressure and had majority-rule elections. Of course, you would've lost the /pol/ aspect of Rhodesia, but it would have still been better than anything under commie rule.
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>>5622135
t. nigger
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>>5622140
Layers within layers.
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>>5622141
They were going to, but they wanted everybody to be educated before so.
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>>5622122
Their aesthetic
Never wear shorts to war kids, it’s how you loose
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>>5622139
Then Israel is basically /pol/ and /k/: the country
>We hate '>>5622139
em 'cause we ain't 'em
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>>5622122
>no gun laws

This is false.
>Gun laws in Southern Rhodesia were fairly restrictive with permits being required for any imports and purchases, but these were relatively easy to come by.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3kmdl8/just_how_gun_friendly_was_rhodesia/

There's an article written for Rhodesian Air Force officers that derided "yanks" for being too loose with their gun laws.
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>>5622133
If blacks beated white thotdesians then the whites are the second class :^}
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The Unilateral Declaration of independence. Rhodesia thumbing its nose at The UK signed their death warrant, when all they had to do was wait out the official passing on of independence.
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>>5622125
The issue is that the only concession any of their sanctioner's wanted was communist rule.
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>>5622146
It pretty much is.
>"Strong borders" an understatement
>Mandatory military service
>Gun licenses are restricted to military and ex-military, but that's pretty much everyone
>Ethnonationalism like no other country
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>>5622144
Having an educated populace is anti-democratic. The best democracies are achieved by telling half-illiterates what's in their best interest. FACT!
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>>5622152
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>>5622135
N I G G E R
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>>5622122
when all of a sudden the UN decided that colonialism wasn't cool anymore, all the European powers pushed their African cash cows to the curb before they could even learn to walk on their own. naturally all the powers that be in the world flocked in to make sure their ideology was the best, and when that happened in Rhodesia, the British didn't do shit for them, and they only got a little bit of help from SA, Malawi, Portugal, and Israel. ZANU and ZAPU got help from China, the Eastern Bloc, Cuba, and Libya and also plenty of soldiers fresh out of the civil war in Mozambique.
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>>5622149
The condition for "official passing on of independence" was black majority rule which the Rhodesian government thought would be the death of the country; it was.
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>>5622155
Rhodesia was helped by Israel? So why the hell does /pol/ love Rhodesia so much?
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>>5622157
Read up on the facts

https://aryanskynet.wordpress.com/2017/10/14/uzis-on-the-zambezi-israels-secret-relationship-with-white-rhodesia/
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>>5622135
nigger
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>>5622157
/pol/ is not so single minded that they'd mindlessly hate anything related to israel purely because it's israel
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>>5622155
>Their African cash cows
They weren't cash cows they were net losses on the part of the European government it was only somewhat beneficial to companies who profited off of African resources. The fall of (European) colonialism coincides with the fall of European dominance of the world stage.
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>>5622160
What a stupid fucking new faggot.
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>>5622162
no propaganda spamming for you, leftypol
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I get that I'm terrible, but why won't a mostly black country seem to work. I feel badly...
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>>5622122
Globalist and Commies
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>>5622163
>Pretending like pol has sides. >Pretending like anti Israel threads on pol aren’t just Arabs and Nazis jerking each other off.

Seriously new faggot get killed.
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>>5622163
Also implying I’m leftist
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>>5622157
Jews hate niggers just like everyone else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPxv4Aff3IA
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>>5622147
>reddit

Sorry, I don’t read, retardinese
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>>5622122
Retarded ideas on how to win hearts and minds honestly.
The biggest downfall Rhodesia ended up having was this dumb idea they had on "have their balls and their hearts will follow" when it came to the local black tribals, the main problem being the relocation of tribes from their ancestral homelands to these really shitty neighbourhoods under the belief that it would keep the ZANLA recruiters away, when in reality they still managed to infiltrate, making recruitment a lot easier thanks to all the tribals really not liking what Rhodesia decided was best for them. Had they been a little more focused on hearts and minds they might have prevented, or at least slowed down, the constant growth of the guerrillas.
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>>5622122
they did have bans on full-fun
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The sheer racism nuked it on a global scale.
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>>5622123
>rhodesia
>apartheid
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>>5622157
>>5622168
So, it's basically the "enemy of my enemy" schtick?
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>>5622141
They did, and they voted in Communists immediately after and started raping and killing white farmers and even fellow blacks. They turned the breadbasket of Africa into the AIDS and poverty capital of Africa.
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>>5622147
>There's an article written for Rhodesian Air Force officers that derided "yanks" for being too loose with their gun laws.

And now their country has been irrevocably destroyed by AIDS, Nigs, and Communism, but we're still around and kicking with our "loose" gun laws.

Really makes you think
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>>5622175
They didn't give a shit about white farmers until the 80's when all the problems with Mugabe's government became so glaringly obvious they needed a distraction
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>>5622176
>implying America hasn’t been ruined by all those things already
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>>5622141
>Zimbabwe
>communist
anon is something is clear is that the people who won was pro western.
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>>5622221
Rhodesia lasted until 1979 anon. If they started on the white farmers in the 80's that means they started almost as soon as the war was over. Things went well for a few yers after independence only because the country was coasting along on the momentum of the success of Smiths gov
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>>5622221
Dude, land reform was a major goal of both revolutionary groups. This isn't something up to debate lol
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>>5622298
I meant late 80's, hell most of white farmers didn't even leave until the mid 90's after Mugabe completely fucked the nation on his Congolese adventures and needed to shore up support among the army
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>>5622130
>Rhodesia was one of Africa's wealthiest and most progressive nations.

Rhodesia turned from a major exporter of cash-crops to the 'breadbasket of Africa'. The economic history is not good.
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/k/ and /pol/ chimp out at the very mention of Rhodesia

Now imagine if it was a black ethno State
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>>5622135
Nigger
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>>5622148
In English please.
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>>5622221
90s actually. Zanu-PF fucked up with it's rampant corruption and heavy handedness. To solve the democracy problem they created a bloc of urban poor supporters with free gibs and a free hand to steal from farmers.

>>5622302
Land reform under the 'willing buyer-willing seller' model isn't the end of the world, anon.
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>>5622340
a willing seller always exists when a gun is pointed at him.
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>willing
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>>5622139
Got any source for that Rothschilds founded Israel that isn’t also vehemently anti Semitic?
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>>5622234
Europe will be destroyed by Arabs and Islam long before America is destroyed by niggers
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>>5622384
How many muslim are there in Europe and how many blacks are there in America?
Yeah thought so
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>>5622384
America has already been destroyed by niggers tbqh
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>>5622122
It was full of blacks
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>>5622144
If so, why did government stop funding for schools that didn't have a student body of european descent?
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>>5622522
Something that definitely wasn't racism
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>>5622527
Why did the government also ban African students from attending private schools that were previously integrated in 1965?
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>>5622561
Something that totally wasn't racist, come on guys I love blacks, which is also why I love Rhodesia which totally wasn't racist at all because it had some black blokes in the military
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>>5622436
The difference is that the US has always had them and has managed so far, whereas it's a recent and growing problem in europe and is already making things worse.
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>>5622234
>implying the largest economy in the world is as shitty as one in the bottom ten

I know you're being hyperbolic, but it's intellectually dishonest to even compare Zimbabwe with America. America is nicer than the slum you call Europe, I've seen it with my own eyes.
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>>5622122
Almost every fighting age male fighting. My father went to Salisbury in the 80s and he described it as a ghost town. Almost everybody that could fight was fighting and it paralyzed the local economy.
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>>5622151
>Ethnonationalism
What ethnicity?
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>>5622713
Western European Jews, black Jews and Eastern Jews get treated like shit
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>>5622718
Sauce?
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>>5622726
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel#Intra-Jewish_racism:_Racism_between_Jews
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Why does /pol/ love Rhodesia so much and dream about it never falling?
They do realise if Rhodesia survived, it would've been multicultural hellhole where majority of 6 millions of blacks who will hate and opress 300k whites?
It's quite fucking literally what they don't want Europe or America to become but it's ok for Rhodesia and South Africa?
I understand larping about killing all blacks and making it a white ethnostate, but Rhodesia didn't want and wasn't capable for this shit.
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>>5622737
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into to begin with. For most of them they like Rhodesia because it symbolises colonialism and white rule in Africa to them. They don't care about the fact it was doomed to fail.
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>>5622733
>Other authorities describe the discrimination by Ashkenazi as class-based, not race-based.[153][154] For example, the differences between (Mizrahi) Sephardic Jews (N. Africans, Middle Easterners, Yemenites, etc.) are referred to as Adatiyut[155][156][157][158] community-differences (resulting also in some traditional customary gaps).[159]
>There was a case in 2010, when a Haredi school system, where Sephardi and Mizrahi students were sometimes excluded or segregated.[175][176] In 2010, the Israeli supreme court sent a strong message against discrimination in a case involving the Slonim Hassidic sect of the Ashkenazi, ruling that segregation between Ashkenazi and Sephardi students in a school is illegal.[177]
>In 2001 a seven-year public inquiry commission concluded that the accusations that Yemenite children were kidnapped are not true. The commission has unequivocally rejected claims of a plot to take children away from Yemenite immigrants. The report determined that documentation exists for 972 of the 1,033 missing children. Five additional missing babies were found to be alive.
>In 1964 the government of Israel led by Levi Eshkol declared that it regards Bene Israel of India as Jews without exception, who are equal to other Jews in respect of all matters.[189]
>Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke out against the rejection of Ethiopian children, calling it "a moral terror attack."
It's just as much an "ethnostate" as America and that they had a civil rights movement at around the same time as us.
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>>5622762
>For most of them they like Rhodesia because it symbolises colonialism and white rule in Africa to them. They don't care about the fact it was doomed to fail.
This is pretty much.
I doubt any /pol/ would've actually want or care about Rhodesia living up toward current years. It would've had the exact same problems as South African whites have. But ./pol/ doesn't care about that, they care only about aesthetics.
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>>5622122
Literally and unironically the Eternal Anglo. Go read the Great Betrayal by Ian Smith.
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>>5622878
Ian Smith IS an Anglo you fucking moron
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>>5622135
>can't imagine anyone being racist unironically
>thinks people he doesn't like don't use the internet
grow up
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>>5622122
They refused to consider compromising or implementing anything resembling majority rule in order to attain independence, which led to being embargoes by just about every major western government. This meant that they were reliant on the only 2 governments in South Africa that were more racist than them.
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>>5622135
This but ironically
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>>5622166
>/pol/ is a monolithic block
You do realise there are Israelis that go on /pol/ and that there are people with all kinds of different ideologies.
/ptg/ is even made up of pro-Israel American
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>>5622334
It would invariably be a shithole
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>>5622737
>Why does /pol/ love Rhodesia so much and dream about it never falling?
>I understand larping about killing all blacks
You got it
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>>5622384
>Europe will be destroyed by Arabs and Islam long before America is destroyed by niggers
The American Civil Was a century and a half ago bucko
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>>5622132
Not to draw false equivalences, but blacks in the West today think they’re second class citizens too.
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>>5623009
Its because they are second class humans
Any other Eurasian ethnic group can move to America and become successful.
Blacks have been in the US longer than any of them and yet they are still wallowing in filth and crime
All sub-Saharans other than Igbos are useless human beings
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>>5623009
They usually are, despite what affirmative action and other bullshit you read on twitter that have been implemented blacks almost universally have lower employment and job opportunities, lower political representation and are basically scuff on your boot. Is that 100% about racism? N,o If there was no racism voter ID laws wouldn't specifically target ID's darkies don't have as needed
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>>5623034
Here goes the thread
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>>5622737
It’s/k/ that really loves Rhodesia
And that’s mostly for the military operations
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>>5623040
>Rhodesia thread turns into race politics
Fucking unheard of
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>>5622367
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yad_Hanadiv
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_Caesarea_Foundation
Don’t be a dumbass. This took a quick google search. Rich Jewish bankers from Europe bankrolled Israel. That’s common knowledge. I’m not even an anti-semite or conspiracy theorist.

Pic is from the Wikipedia article on the history of Israel. The Balfour Declaration was literally sent to a Rothschild.
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>>5623059
>Balfour Declaration
The Balfour Declaration is possibly the biggest load of shit in modern history, on paper it looks great and then you look at the experience of Jews under the mandate and realize the British government really didn't give a shit about it
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>>5623009
They aren't second class citizens, they're an entirely different nation.

Europeans, slavs, Indians, most non-Chinese Asians, legal hispanics, as well as atheist, Jewish, and Christian middle easterners all integrate just fine. They have no problem (of course there are exceptions) coming to terms with republican (small r emphasized) ideals as well as appreciating the rights and powers granted by the constitution.

Blacks have a completely separate culture, ebonics is becoming incomprehensible, and they segregate into ghettos. Once again, there are exceptions, but the majority of blacks are the rule.

Consider the fact that blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat. There's no incentive for the local and state governments to fix problems if there's zero risk of displacement. If Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, or independents knocked the majority of Democrats out of control in some shithole like Detroit, you'd be seeing changes. Even if Democrats retook control they might hop in gear "lets make sure that doesn't happen again."

If blacks don't want a shit life they shouldn't vote against their own interests.
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>>5623034
>ID laws target dark people
>anything which inevitably impacts one group more than another is evil and borne of malevolent intent
Even Vox released an article admitting that voter ID laws don’t have a major impact on election turnout.
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>>5623178
>British government didn’t give a shit about it
How do you mean?
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>>5622737
A successful and functional state in Africa has been a dream of many men for decades now.
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>>5623285
Why does voting reblican some how equal assimilation? Why are your Republican values somehow more American than liberal values also conservative states are the poorest in the union and most minorities vote democrat
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>>5623314
Voter ID laws are fucking retarded, if you need more than a drivers license or 18 plus card there's a serious issue here
>>5623321
>Oh those Arabs from Lebanon shot up your kibbutz? Can't help you friend, that's across the border, good luck living and cheerio
The only British officer to train Jewish self defence squads was barred from ever entering Palestine again
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>>5623314
Post source then
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>>5623349
Dude voter ID laws are literally asking for that or less. It’s not a special ID that you need for voting.
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>>5623351
Simple to google
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>>5623376
In certain states it absolutely is; Texas doesn't consider student cards to be voter ID, but a concealed carry permit is perfectly adequate. There's a clear agenda in that whether you like it or not
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>>5623285
>If Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, or independents knocked the majority of Democrats out of control in some shithole like Detroit, you'd be seeing changes. Even if Democrats retook control they might hop in gear "lets make sure that doesn't happen again."
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>>5623408
Never been to some shithole like Palm Island
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>>5623408
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/01/04/solved-why-poor-states-are-red-and-rich-states-are-blue/amp/
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>>5623408
Alabama is the same problem inverted, thank you for proving my point.
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>>5623421
Thats not part of a fist world country
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>>5623426
How exactly is the same problem inverted?
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>>5623426
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/01/04/solved-why-poor-states-are-red-and-rich-states-are-blue/amp/
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>>5623427
>Australia isn't first world
>Alabama is
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>>5623405
No it’s not. Student IDs aren’t fucking proof of citizenship, they’re proof that you’re a student and huge numbers of American university students are not from this country. You see a ghost in every shadowy corner.
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>>5622135
Neger
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>>5623471
>You need to produce a birth certificate, proof of residency and a drivers ID to vote in our election
>Oh but a concealed carry license is good enough
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>>5623442
>Palm Island

>Google it
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>>5623487
Are you saying there are parts of Texas that want you to show your birth certificate AND proof of residency AND driver’s license to be able to vote? I find that unlikely, but if that’s true it’s clearly excessive.
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>>5623494
I'm saying thats what you'd need to prove beyond doubt that you were in fact born in Texas, if a fucking CCL by itself is good enough basically any photo ID should do, because foreign students have a separate student card anyway
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>>5623518
I’ve lived in a few different states and foreign students have never had a different type of ID card.
>needed to prove beyond a doubt
So does this mean that you’re not actually talking about what the law is, but rather some kind of a bizarro version that you imagine is adhered to? By the way, you must not be from America because you don’t need to prove that you were born in a specific state or even this country in order to prove you have voting rights. That is not how the laws of this country work.
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>>5623539
Texas literally issues CCL's to non-residents
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>>5623570
Sounds like a weird, bad policy. Not really related to this argument because you have to be registered with a local address to vote anyway. The ID is just to prove that you are the person the list at the polling station.
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>>5623408
>anon blames niggers for problems
>other anon seeks to refute him
>posts state overrun with niggers
I think you miscalculated
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>>5623586
It's a poll tax by stealth is the point, it is designed to target niggers and in some cases native Americans (because apparently the US postal service can't figure out reservation postal addresses), at least over here we bribe our blacks with cases of grog
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>>5623607
Is having to drive to a polling station a poll tax too? There are some things inherent to living life that require us to do things, and for the small minority of people without government ID, spending at most 5 to 15 dollars is not a big deal. And I say at most 5 to 15 because most states with these laws allow you to show proof that you’re a local renter or such. There is explicit proof that these such laws do not have an impact on voter turnout. Sometimes for the first election with the laws they do, but after that the turnout even goes up.
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>>5623596
Anon why are states with far higher black populations no wear near as shitty?

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-states-with-the-largest-relative-african-american-populations.html
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>>5623635
Is that why they implement bullshit laws that disqualify you if you didn't vote in the previous election too? Because they totally give a fuck about your citizenship? Americans are such fucking cucks they'll literally eat any shit the fed or state feeds them while jerking themselves off about muh liberty
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>>5623327
A successful and functional AFRICAN state has been the dream of many men. Only a handful of men will be satisfied with a glorified apartheid colony, which is frankly a low bar. It's super easy to be a successful state if the interests of the vast majority of the population are less than secondary concerns. Plenty of ethnolords have established durable, functioning governments, where that function is to enrich a minority party or ethnicity they belong to, and control the majority by force. Africans are perfectly accomplished to that end, friend.

The dream is for a black African state -- for Africans, by Africans, of Africans -- to establish and sustain a set of durable norms of governance that aren't toppled and gutted by every successive shift in executive power.
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>>5623327
>Wanting to create a succesfull and functional state in Africa which is overrun with majority of Africans led by minority of Europeans.
Seems like a recipe for disaster...
If you wanted to make Rhodesia a successful white state, they should've started to deport or kill natives in in 1920's or earlier and Rhodesia wasn't planning and wanted this. Otherwise it's inevitable to collapse.
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>>5623422
Some of Worstall's points are very well-taken here; cost of living adjustments are a no-brainer in comparative study. But he completely elides the high rates of poverty in those same states, which is fucking central to the question of fucking poverty. I don't know if he is being oblivious, or dishonest.
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>>5622133
I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if someone called you second class.
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cringe
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>>5622122

The whites got convinced by the "international community" that what they were doing was morally wrong so they stopped fighting.
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Somone post the movie trailer copypasta
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>>5622122
Not enough white mass immigration to displace the black population forever.
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>>5622142
edge
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>>5623659
I’ve never heard of any of these laws and they are so extreme that I think you’re pulling them out of your ass. There is no such fucking thing as being disqualified from voting because you didn’t vote in the last election. If that was the case basically no one would be able to vote in the main election because so few people vote in the midterms. Why are you fucking lying and moving the goal posts constantly? A voter ID law just means that you have to prove who you are using government-accepted identification. Almost everyone already has this and it’s cheap to get if you don’t. Currently, you do not need to prove you are a citizen. All you have to do is point to the name on the list and they let you vote. Those lists are filled with dead people’s names and the names of people who have long moved away. I have seen it myself. Is there a shit ton of voter fraud going on? I don’t know but probably not. It doesn’t matter; we are using an incredibly backwards voting system and it needs to be reformed, obviously. The only reason this is a contentious issue is because one party knows that their voters are lazier.
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>>5624207 (cont’d)
I’ll grant this: no question that if voter ID laws are implemented, there needs to be a free/cheap way to assure you can get one. This is a state-by-state issue, so some places already have really easy ways to do this and some others don’t.
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>>5623405
have any of you niggers actually voted in texas before?
i voted recently, to register they asked for my home address, phone number and my texas ID they also gave the alternative to show a CCL
i also had to vote on a paper ballot and at the voting center you had to show proof of your identity again with the ID
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>>5623802
>they should've started to deport or kill natives in in 1920's

that impossible and not only that it would be RIGHT AFTER the Namibian genocide and no only would you lose your massive workforce, you'd be a super hypocrite after condemning German for it's genocide a few years earlier.
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>>5623033
Oh look it's the dumb faggot jacking off Igbo's like they re some superhumans.
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>>5622783
>>In 2001 a seven-year public inquiry commission concluded that the accusations that Yemenite children were kidnapped are not true.

What what? What's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair then?
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>>5623033
>Any other Eurasian ethnic group can move to America and become successful.
Blacks have been in the US longer than any of them and yet they are still wallowing in filth and crime
All sub-Saharans other than Igbos are useless human beings

Africans immagrants have the highest education rates out all groups
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>>5624275
Wow sounds really scary how could a black ever manage how much did that ID cost you a couple hundred dollars?
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>>5624361
you realize they check the numbers on the id right? its not a picture with a birthday attached or else i would be able to get into bars wayyy easier
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>>5622122
Only reason it was successful was because a rich minority profited of the cheep exploitable labor
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>>5622130
>voting rights for landowners
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>>5623009
Well they are the descendants of slaves and the country still discriminated against them after emancipation. Not surprising that the majority live in economically dire circumstances and thus have the associated problems
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>>5622628
>My crime filled concrete jungle filled with homeless people and niggers is far superior to your European town,I mean look how small your houses are, and how few billionaires your country has!
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>>5622384
Europe will be saved* by islam while ratchet sheboon thots and literal homosexuals run around muttistan unimpeded.
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>>5624378
Jokes aside, how difficult/easy was it to get that ID? I’ve just always had a driver’s license, so I don’t know what getting anything else is like, especially in Texas.
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>>5624635
well you have to go to the dmv to get your drivers license/ID they take your social, residency and other generic stuff so its sure that you're a citizen the only really difficult process is waiting in line
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>>5623034
>voter ID laws are ebil
>anyone should be able to vote even if they're not citizens and more than once with no actual control at all
It's unbelievable that some people can actually defend such an obvious breach in democracy. It will never cease to amaze me.
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>>5625086
The usual defence is that there’s no proof that there’s been voter fraud. There’s a study about how someone investigated like a billion ballots and only found a few dozen cases of voter fraud, but I haven’t read the methods yet.
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>>5622135
hombre negro
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>>5623327
Source on pic? What manga?
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>>5625123
Its a barely disguised poll tax, as the types of ID that are/aren't valid are often chosen to target certain demographics. Also the fact that these ID checks are done at the poll, not as part of the registration.
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>>5625163
The POINT is to do them at the poll to prove that you are the person on the list of registered people. Stop rehashing arguments you already made earlier in this thread. All your points have been addressed.
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>>5622133
That's just mean.
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>>5622133
Please, grownups only
>>>/pol/
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>>5622135
Unironically best post





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