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Alright fine, I'll admit it: I hate myself. Why else would I exclusively be into straight men?

Basically my plan so far has been to befriend them until they get a girlfriend and I'm tired of it.

How do I make a move? I'm not the touchy feely type, so whenever I go out of my way to pat them on the back or whatever it's noticeably awkward...

The latest guy I've been into is so fucking cute, and he clearly fucks women casually, which drives me wild. I want to be his back up so badly, but no one is attracted to a "confession" and he's certainly not going to bring it up.

He's going to the bar again friday. Should I ask if he wants to smoke with me? (just found out he's a closet pot head). Ask to smoke at his place?

My best plan is to wing it until he mentions a bar somewhere and I'll hit him with something like "yeah I've been wanting to check that place out, let me know when you're going and I'll meet you there...here let me give you my number"

Then I can ask for his without seeming too weird.

>wahh post this on LGBT

No, those faggots can fuck right off. I would *never* ask those asperger's fucks for advice about anything

Besides, I'm still posting porn so I'm good
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>>2351686
If he is still getting pussy he's not fucking the local queer. All the straight guys I've got with have always asked me or made the first move and it's always been when they couldn't get any pussy.
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>>2351686
You're not attracted to straight men, you're attracted to masculinity, a trait associated with straight men. Gay men who aren't limp wristed fairies exist, so find one. Chasing straight men around is just going to end in disappointment for you every time.
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>>2351711
Don't disillusion OP. He's just found out the obvious: the best men by far are straight and they want nothing to do with us fagas...unless you pay them handsomely, then maybe they'll let you suck their meat while they watch porn. And you'll be broke and feel like shit afterwards.
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>>2351711
well it sounds like he's got issues with a few flings he's had. Trust me, I think he's interested in a FWB male situation.

>>2351719
I mean, both? 100% I'm down with a hot af masculine gay guy, but they're mostly taken and I need to bulk up to catch their interest, imo

>>2351720
100%
Not a bad plan to pay him. We bet on some games last night (that I knew he'd win). I regret not putting more money down, so I could kind of feed him cash without him feeling like a charity case. He's on unemployment so I think that would help. Tomorrow I'll ask him "if I buy a pizza will you help me finish it? And if he's hesitant I'll say I really want one but I don't want to look like a loser. I just got a stipend from my dad so I can throw money around, I'm just unsure how to do it since I've never had this kind of money before. A couple weeks ago I almost asked him if he needed some cash and I had a 50 to give him but we're just acquaintances at a bar...

Anyways. More advice on seducing straight men please, not just specific to me, but it's a hot topic imo
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I’m in the same boat. I love blowing straight guys. So much that I haven’t had the slightest desire to be with a gay guy in many, many years. So first off, relax and get out of your head. You don’t even have this guy’s phone number yet? Where do you see him repeatedly? You just keep happening to run into him?

My greatest success rate is at a bar. You’ve either got to be an extrovert or able to act like one when needed. Have a drink to loosen yourself up. Sit next to a guy you like at the bar or in a nearby table. Strike up a conversation…about the game, about women. Buy a round of drinks. Smile and laugh a lot but don’t come across as a fag. You’re one of the guys. It’s best if you can pretend to be getting drunk as opposed to actually getting drunk. Lean toward him more as you talk, rub against him. Let your knee rest against his. If he doesn’t pull away, apply a little pressure. Bring up a story about a great time about when you were lit and got a great blowjob from a hot chick. Try to talk about blowjobs. How great they are. Just sitting back and getting your dick sucked with no pressure to reciprocate. If they’re into it, they likely know what you’re up to, but they’ll go along. They’ll talk to you about how great that blowjob would be. How they wish they were getting it. If you’re just touchy enough, with your knee or hands, but not so much that it’s presumed they’re knowingly agreeing to anything. Above all, a straight guy must have plausible deniability. They just had a lot to drink and didn’t ever think that was going to happen and they’re going to allow themselves to forget about it. Once they’re primed, you need to figure out how it’s going to go. If he says something like, I gotta get out of here, you say, yeah, me too. Walk out talking, follow him to his car as if you’re walking the same direction, ask him if he needs a ride, he’s been drinking a lot, etc, etc. You’ve either got to get into his car or him into yours. Continued
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At that point, if he has agreed to come back to your place for another beer, or asked you to his, or even in the car together if he is short on time and can’t go anywhere else, it’s implied that he’s thinking about that blowjob. At this point you can be more touchy, putting a firm hand on his knee or leg. I’ve frequently moved on to that sitting at the bar, if things seem right. Act tipsy and steady yourself on his leg while leaning in to talk. Then you just got to do your thing.

As far as paying someone, it’s not nearly as fun. It turns you into a creep instead of one of the guys. And it turns them into something other than a willing participant who wants a blowjob. It just makes the situation odd. But you have to figure your own way out.
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>>2351719
THIS SUMS UP EVERYTHING.
Anyone who actually believes there's no such thing as a masculine gay guy is living in a fantasy himself.
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>>2352004
>As far as paying someone, it’s not nearly as fun. It turns you into a creep instead of one of the guys
As if offering a bj to rando at a bar doesn't automatically turn you into a creep anyway. As for them needing plausible deniability, I think the best reason is money. No one would turn down a yummy suck for a couple of hundred bucks.
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I’ve been getting close with a friend of mine. He is pretty straight and into girls. One time he asked me if I ever had any gay experiences which I have. He opened up to me about making a Grindr and getting a blowjob from a guy before. I opened up a little but wasn’t really comfortable telling him much. I wanna mess with him so bad but don’t know how to bring up the conversation again. I’m straight married and he’s single.
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>>2351719
>>2352053
BASED
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>>2352000
Hot and reasonable. The problem is the touching...how to do it in a non creepy way...It gives away the entire game doesn't it? The moment I start getting touchy he will know what's up...

And yes, the "one of the boys" persona is what I go for, I'm doing well so far imo, despite not knowing much about sports or women.

There are events going on in various local bars and so far he's been to every one of them.
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Mentally unstable, vulnerable, self destructive, drug addicted white trash or equivalent type of guys. You need to get their confidence first, make them think you're like them or like a big brother they can count on. Takes a lot of time and emotional investment as you eventually get involved in their mess of a life and the outcome always comes with a falldown...
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>>2352287
I feel this is the closest way to do it right. It just naturally comes up and gets talked about, the you can bring up, in an off hand way, your own experiences and see where it goes from there.

Where anon messed up, was that you should have made an off hand comment at the time of the convo. Then he knows the ball is in his court and since he's even a little bit curious, he'd be thinking about what you (could have) said.

Just a casual statement like, "Man, I wish I could fool around again." Or something like that would have opened the floodgates.
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Ive been cross dressing and the amount of horny straight guys i get who want their dick sucked and a hole to fuck is wayy too many for me to handle
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>>2352302
This is a good strategy actually. What about men in unhappy marriages? Are they good targets?
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>>2352413
I'm also interested in how to get that married dick
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You have different taste in men from me so this won’t really work for you or most of the fags posting in this thread but I’ve always been into chubby/nerdy type of men and a lot of these guys I’ve found tend to be more willing to mess around than the average jock types. And I mean real nerds, not the bazinga type. The type of dudes that play a ton of video games, warhammer, DND, and have other niche hobbies. These dudes are very often virgins, maybe had a gf once for a little while. Unlike me, most women do not tend to find these dudes attractive. Sometimes they’ll settle for any girl just so they don’t end up alone. This usually leads to some type of sexual frustration for them. It’s not long after that they find out that I’m gay and we start drinking regularly together that the discussion of blowjobs and messing around usually starts coming up.
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>>2352831

based
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>>2351686
>No, those faggots can fuck right off. I would *never* ask those asperger's fucks for advice about anything
you realize there's no possible future where you end up as a fulfilled, self-actualized human being, right?
I don't think you're in a position to cast stones here.
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I can't. I instantly lose interest if I know he's straight, and I don't see the point either. Fetishes are fetishes, I guess.
I remember once hooking up with a dude in his car and after chatting it turned out he was "straight" or straight leaning bi. He wouldn't kiss me, he literally just wanted a mouth to suck him (he complimented my lips a lot). I refused to and got out of the car. Like, sorry, I won't go out to hook up with someone who isn't all that into it/doesn't like the whole package and wants to use my mouth as a fleshlight.
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>>2353005
lmao, you don't know me
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>>2353305
why are you here then? retard...
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>>2352831
Fucking this. I have 2 regular fwb right now, both this exact type of “straight” guy. Have had 5 in my life but 2 moved and 1 got a gf. They’re so fucking cash.
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>>2352287

Bro at this point just ask him if he's down to mess around if he's already admitted to Grindr and getting blown by a guy. He was probably testing the waters.
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>>2351877
Imagine paying to suck dick lmao
Faggots like you usually end up alone and whoring themselves out on Grindr in a thong and a dollar store wig.
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>>2353305
another false self-righteous fag. Straight men go to NSA gay to get off. Women want dates and money, gay fags we want cocks and cum.
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>>2351686
if a man can be seduced by other man, he was never straight, so yeah, feed on the delusion.
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>>2354638
here we go again by stupid purits
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>>2352000
>>2352004

So your tactic is essentially to groom them with alcohol and acquire questionable consent. Basically rape
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>>2352302
This is awful and you're a psycopath
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Haha no man can seduce me, also nice cock bro
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>>2354658
Well, if you need a self destructive person dosed with alcohol or drugs your are nothing but a rapist/psycopath/piece of shit, this is not seduction, it's straight being fucked up mentally. If not being ok with this is being a purit, sign me in.
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>>2351711
This is the only way it happens, when they won't get any pussy or sex then straight men get willing to make a pass
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Hey, if you want legitimate advice I think I can help.

I hook up with a lot of "straight" guys. I guess I should say, curious guys. Dudes who have never done anything with a guy before. There are two types of these dudes. The first is the gay guy pretending to be "curious" and the other is the real "curious" guys.

The first type is super easy to spot because they will almost always give it away. Like they will say something like "Need a dick in me bad, or fuck I want some dick." Basically shit no dude who was truly questioning would say to the world much less themselves.

Guys who are really curious are a lot more evasive about what they are looking for. Normally they have short answers and will ask you what you should do. This can be a pain in the ass sometimes because it can be like pulling fucking teeth to get them to point A to point B.

General tips I would leave are the following:

1. Don't try to do more than sucking dick and eating ass. Most curious dudes are already nervous. Anything more will stress them the fuck out.

2. Be inviting. When they get to the door tell them your name. Smile and act like they are regular guests. Don't lead them down a dark hallway to your room. Turn the lights on in the house. Make them realize you are not a threat. Chat with them for a bit if they are up to it.

3. Set up and establish what you are doing before and when they get there. Don't get to it and then they suddenly say they wanna fuck. That is a "no" if they want that they can come back another time.

4. Give them your number so they can reach you at any time. It helps make the connection stable.

5. Don't try to seduce guys you know in real life. Just meet folks online. Risk is significantly lower that way.

6. Don't meet without a picture. It doesn't matter how "discreet" they are. The answer is no.

Hope that helps.
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I met this straight guy at the bar with his girlfriend and after she went home with her friends, I invited him over for a drink at my place. He sucked me almost immediately and we fucked all night. He was amazing. Small cock but great mouth.
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>>2354702
Interesting. I know he could get more, but I suspect he's not interested due to the drama...
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>>2354725
Good lord he's cute
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>>2353616
need the story
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>>2354761
it's really not that much to tell.

You come out and let your friends know you're gay (this is probably the hardest part and the part you probably haven't done)

You have dipshit friends who are chubby, out of shape, kinda cute but don't talk to girls at all because they're always on games or 4chan (based on how you're here, you definitely have these friends)

Eventually, you are drunk with these friends and they inevitably bitch about not getting pussy

You take your shot
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>>2354756
He likes cum all over that moustache too.
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>>2354862
These types of guys really are the best. A lot of women find them “ugly” or “disgusting” and are much more interested in chasing chad cock so they never give these men the time of day. Some dudes become so touch starved that the moment they find anyone who finds them attractive they’ll really lean into it. One straight friend of mine, a QT short chubby dude in his mid thirties who only ever had one girlfriend, loves to cuddle and let’s me feel him up the moment he gets any alcohol in him. It’s amazing.
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>>2351690
Damn got to work on my shoulders :/
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What type of facial hair do straight men not mind?

My guess is stubble but I wouldn't be surprised if clean shaven is the way to go (more feminine, I assume the idea is to not be competition in any way)
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>>2351719
This, and its not even hard considering every dating site is masc4masc.
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>>2351686
I always wanted to seduce the mormon guys that come around knocking on doors.
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>>2355256
this thread is advice to seduce straight guys. If you don't have any gtfo
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>>2354722
>>2354862

Honestly, these are it. You just have to be chill and if the vibe is right, go for it.
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>>2355515
lmao, thread closed then? No more advice needed?

How about "what to say to get their phone numbers without being too obvious" or "how to invite yourself over to their place for more brewskis" or "how subtley make your move"

>these are it

fuck off moron. If you do not have an imagination, get your aspie ass out of here
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>>2355248
you're right, I have a buddy, small frame, very cute/handsome, unintimidating, clean shaven but masculine sounding and acting, he hooks up with hot straight guys all the time and they come to him, I on the other hand, 6 ft + some muscle + beard cant get them at all, actually straight men are into more fem guys than not
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>>2351686
more pics of the boat guy please
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Not saying I'm a pro, but I have a thing for being the "first time" guy for str8/curious guys. I'd say I've been fairly successful since I started around 19yo (28 now), although I've never "seduced" one in person, only ever posted on anon/hookup sites. In general I've had the most success using a blank profile (no pic) to offer discreet bjs. I've also had occasional luck replying to M4F ads, but I don't generally recommend this. BUT one of those is now a regular and my crowning achievement, will elaborate if interested.

>>2354722
I agree with all of this, but have always thought of it as 3 types of guys:

A. Faking/closeted gay guy
As mentioned, easy to spot. I start to suspect this if they get very explicit in any manor (either giving or receiving dick). Also they very clearly already know the online hookup routine ("stats?" "pics?" "into?"). No guy I actually believed to be straight has asked *me* what *I'm* into. Hard pass on these.

B. Genuinely bi-curious
These can either be first timers or repeaters (no longer curious I guess but often still experimenting). These tend to be the most fun imo & definitely more common than the next type.

C. Actually straight just horny
I have hooked up with maybe 3 guys I believed to be straight (maybe you won't, idc I'm not trying to have that argument). 1 replied to an anon bj ad, 2 I replied to their M4F ad. Their replies are short (if they reply at all). They scare very easily. All only wanted bjs. Anonymous. Dark room. No talking.
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>>2355711
Look for B & maybe you'll find a C. This advice applies to both:

1. Be direct & honest about what you're offering. Seems obvious but many will fuck up here. Example:
- I'm bi & discreet so I say that. Don't pretend to be if you aren't, he'll know.
- Also helps to be young, attractive, fit/thin, smooth, etc. The trope is a str8 guy doesn't care bc "a mouth is a mouth," but he does care. If you aren't one of those things, don't lie about it. I've gotten hairy af over the years, but I manscape that shit and can still pull.

2. Chill. The. Fuck. Out. Don't be aggressive or seem too eager. Don't flirt or try to talk dirty. This is a ~casual encounter~ they typically bail if you seem like a desperate cum hungry slut.

3. Always offer, never ask or expect. For everything.
- "Would you rather come over or meet somewhere?"
- "Here's my # if you're cool with texting, but understand if you aren't."
- "My name is Anon. You don't have to tell me yours."
***My only exception to this rule is pics. I say something like: "I don't meet without trading a pic. You cool with that? Don't need to see your face." You'll lose some here but not worth the risk imo. You will have to send first (#3). Send a clear, tasteful pic (#1 / #2).

4. Patience. I suspect a lot of gays fishing for str8s need more patience. I chat with some of these guys for MONTHS before they finally nut up. Doesn't always take that long, but it can.
- You're gonna get stood up. You're gonna get ghosted. Get over it. These guys are struggling with fluctuating horniness, internalized homophobia, & guilt/self hate. Had plenty of guys ghost me for weeks then hmu out of the blue ready to nut in my throat.
- Some will say looking for right now, most will say they can't today.
- I try to convey in some form early on that: I'm interested but not in a hurry. No pressure it's cool if they change their mind. They can hmu anytime.
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>>2355537
Ok if you can’t take that information and run with it you might just be too socially retarded to pull this off. Very clear that you have to do this with someone you vaguely know and interact with. You’re not just going to walk up some straight guy in the street and say “uh hey I think I want to blow you.”

For example, in my case, meet a guy at magic the gathering event. Forced to talk to each other during event. See him at a couple more events. Have normal human interactions (this might be the part you’re too fucking stupid for) and get invited to his discord server to game. Private message a little, he finds out I’m gay, we’re eventually hanging out (not in an awkward “please let me blow you” way just like normal friends, drinking beers and playing smash), and he’s bitching about never getting laid. I see my chance, make joke about being able to help him out, the rest is history.
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>>2355717
I appreciate the post you're talking about, I do not appreciate people saying "thread closed"
>>2355715
Oh look, more great advice. Good thing they didn't listen to your dumbass saying "thread closed"

>>2355711
> BUT one of those is now a regular and my crowning achievement, will elaborate if interested.

Oh of course man, give us all the details :D
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>>2355537
Jesus Christ, don't put words into my fucking mouth! I was just agreeing with both post; But your so fucking stupid, if I said "go neck yourself" you probably take me literally and do it, fucking retard.
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>>2355715
>>2355711
>doing all that
>at 30 years old
>just to suck a dick for 5 minutes
bottoms are legit mentally ill and i'm not joking
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>>2355836
Lol I'm not a bottom, I just like to suck dick & I'm up front about that. I actually just bottomed for the first time last week, and I only did it because the guy was 21, reminded me of a younger (hotter) me, and he'd already let me play "just the tip" with his hole.

In my experience, a lot of the curious guys are "curious" about sucking dick, but they have to do it under the guise of getting their own dick sucked (otherwise it's gay, duh). If they wanna get rimmed, there's a good chance they'll also bottom later.

It seems like a lot typed out like that, but I don't actually *do* much at all. I just have an inbox and a few apps I check every day or two. I'll regularly go a week without checking anything if I'm drowning at work. See #2: chill not eager. Some dudes get butthurt about that, but fuck em I'm actually busy.

Should also mention that I live in a small college town so my pool of fresh sexually repressed curious guys is better than average.
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>>2355798
>thread closed
>>durr don't misunderstand me I didn't mean thread closed I was just agreeing with them durrr how was that not obvious? duuurrrrr
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>>2351686
Saw him again on thursday and friday. I'm in love <3
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i came to this side of 4chan to see if people wanted to see my cock than stumbled across this i am a straight man and desu idk about some of the things said here i think its almost impossible to turn a straight man gay even for a few minutes and desu depending on financial situations maybe paying someone could work but thats the only way i feel like (and the thing about showing my cock i do it to see if anyone would seem to enjoy it so i can gain confidence to actually use it lol)
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>>2356887
Show cock
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>>2355306
You're never going to seduce a straight man because he's straight, you literal braindead faggot. At best you're going to get jumped and have the shit beat out of you, which would probably do you some good.
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>>2356918
Americans are so naive and primitive it never ceases to amaze me. The American LGBT community needs to pay reparations to the world for their braindead "Born this way" propaganda.
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>>2356929
>faggots: what?! Gay conversion therapy?! Hack science, you can't convert me, homosexuality isn't a choice!
>also faggots: so can I get a qrd on seducing straight men?
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>>2356910
sure lol
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>>2356931
And your point is...? Of course a gay man can control his sexual urge and marry to a woman. That's how it worked for centuries under Christianity. This is just another example of how Americans are incapable of nuance.
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>>2356938
>And your point is...?
That this thread and anyone in it who thinks they're going to seduce/convert a straight man is retarded. Exclusively lusting after unobtainable straight men or thinking all men have shades of homosexuality to them that you can exploit is a mindset you're supposed to grow out of after you surpass your teenage years. You'll get there some day.
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>>2356887
>durr nothing can turn a straight man gay
>durr except money
>but besides that nothing durrr
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>>2356931
Bro, I'm the one asking for advice and I do not believe anyone is born with a sexual preference at all. I never did, not even for a single moment.

Hence why I'm closeted: the LGBT community is fucking retarded and I want nothing to do with them.
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>>2356937
eh. Wrong board. Also, you can't be straight if you've never gotten any lmao
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>>2356940
>unobtainable straight men
There isn't a man on earth that wouldn't get his dick sucked for a million dollars. So eat my ass, you dumb fuck doomer pilled /b/tard
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I feel like the best way to get with "straight guys" is to cross dress. You could be the ugliest cross dresser out there as long as youre wear lingerie and have long hair with a hole to fuck a straight guy will gwt with you.





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