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how much time do I have to devote just to draw "good"? I don't even want to draw realistically, just make stuff that looks like those Gyari videos, or like >>621797 or >>627238
There's just something blocking me from drawing lines properly or replicating curves. Is it necessary to just start drawing at the age of 6 and never stop?

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>>632174
you dont have to do nonstop drawing anon, if it gets too much for you take a break and come back when you feel like it, you might feel like you got worse at first but you'll get the hang of it again and get even better. as long as you look at the mistakes that you make and branch out into different ways of drawing stuff, you'll be fine.
one more thing to do is take elements from other artists and implement them into your own style
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>>632174
there's your problem anon, you are trying to start drawing from aproximations without first understanding what the bases for those aproximations are. In simpler terms, understanding basic anatomy/realism is what you should at least dedicate 80% of your time to first, then figure out a way at a later date where you approximate what you learned to produce a simpler style.
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>>632197
>>632174
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>>632174
1. Writing notes with your doodles and why they aren't perfect. It helps a lot.
2. Reading books on fundies is boring and shit and gay but it helps a lot. Gotta recomend the books on the /ic/ sticky starting with fun with a pencil.
3. Never never ever ever focus on how you're failing. Egoraptor didn't come out the pussy drawing Mozart. A shitty drawing is a step foward to a less shitty drawing.
Aaaand 4. This one is'nt necisary but I find it helps my motivation to upload your art somewhere and act like (or know) that people are waiting for a new drawing from you
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>>632174
took me one year to learn from scratch (digital)
never drew any shit before
includes everything like sketching, anatomy, lineart, shading
don't listen to people who say "you need at least X years", its just a matter of work and dedication
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>>632174
usually people seem to get good in 3 years, assuming you don't fall into too many traps.

Some beginners tips:
Get a sketchbook. This is so you can remember things looking back.
The secret to drawing smooth lines is to actually try to make them smooth.
If you have never used reference before, start using reference.
I'd recommend 3D models on sketchfab as reference if you have never done that before.
realism is optional, don't feel like you need to use it.
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>>633087
>realism is optional, don't feel like you need to use it.
this is super important. i know all the /ic/ nerds would shit their pants over the notion but at the end of the day, you're just drawing what you want to. enjoying what you're doing is going to make learning anything substantially easier
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>>632174
>how much time do I devote to getting good


All of it

And when that doesn't work

Trace pictures
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>>632174
>>633161
Do not listen to this retard, tracing does not work unless you are that uwu green girl guy
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>>633163
i talked to picke once and he insisted tracing was bad and retarded so I don't think he does it
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>all of it
I have a job

>>633087
usually for "reference" I'll look up pictures of people in settings like train stations or classrooms and shit and try drawing from those photos. I'm... not sure what you mean by "try to make them smooth", you mean draw continuously instead of broken up lines?

>>633083
I already kind of do that if you can watch my replay on this post lol
I don't know who egoraptor is but I like point no 3 and 4, I should get a blanket with that on it so I wake up to it every morning

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>>633096
>enjoying what you're doing is going to make learning anything substantially easier
This is the part I struggle with. I can't enjoy it when I know it's crap. At least with other hobbies, you can do useful things even at low skill levels. Drawing is just a pain when you're first starting out.
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>>633184
chicken scratching is a common beginners problem but looking at it you draw smooth just fine. if I knew it was you 4leaf I wouldn't have said it :p (it's picke)

1: You clearly seem to be putting in a descent enough effort to draw. Speaking plainly, It honestly does not seem like you are even trying to draw good, but are just trying to draw like whatever. It's not enough to just draw, you need to try to draw good. Bring your A-game, try to do things that look good, don't just draw blindly.

I'm not saying you're not putting an effort, you are, and if you know me, you know I am not saying this to insult you. I am teaching what I did myself that worked.

2: Don't just draw your characters in the positions of the reference, don't just do what you normally do. Adopt the techniques of the reference, try draw it the way they draw it. Yes, this is copying, i'm telling you to copy. This is what beginners do as study. I don't think I've seen you copy something properly before.
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>>633191
what's your drawing goal then, anon? is there something you want to create, an artist you aspire to be like?
if your only goal is to get good at drawing then you're going to be chasing something impossible your whole life
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>>633238
I just want to be decent enough to transfer the ideas from my head to paper/computer without it looking like something only a mother could love. I want people to see my pictures and be interested in knowing more about my characters and world. I don't care about being amazing or pursuing a career in art, I just want to be "good enough" to not look like some shit from DeviantArt circa 2004.
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>>633261
I'm interested about your ideas, anon. Can you show it to me?
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>>633261
i understand you there. that was mostly my goal while i was growing up. honestly the best advice i can give, aside from studying basics like color and understanding 3D shapes, just keep drawing the things you like and try to find things that inspire you.
the thing that probably made me grow the most as an artist was finding other people whose art inspired me to want to make more. beyond even a technical sense of creating, i found things that made me want to make something more out of my characters and stories.
so tldr, just keep making those ideas and stories, as well as finding other things that make you want to create, and over time perhaps you'll end up making more than you could have imagined today
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>>633278
This pics I think like
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weird arms lol

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you should do a study on arms. you can use your own arms, or anime arms as ref
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>>633191
in art, you are your own worst critic, if you keep drawing and see yourself improve even slightly, you will get that little bit of confidence and drive you need.
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>>633946
What if I want to use gorilla arms?
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>>633184
To make lines smoother try a softer brush. There are also exercises you can do kind of mindlessly that trains the sort of coordination you use to make smooth lines.
Tracing can be okay for practice, you can use what's called deconstruction on art you like to mimic prominent shapes and structures. Don't trace all the time though, try tracing something like you would to make construction lines then use the traced image as your reference.
End of the day there's no one size fits all approach to success, find what works for you and do it.
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>>633844
dis bitch is a fucking hulk bro
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i drew this one earlier this week
idk it took me below 5 hours to do, I'm not sure exactly how long
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>>634616
study anatomy and form
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>>634714
study some bitches

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Start studying art fundamentals but don’t go crazy with it and burn yourself out. Draw what you want and then study when you are feeling frustrated from your drawing. Use references and build up your visual library. And don’t go crazy over your art, take breaks, let your brain absorb the knowledge you learn and just honestly have fun drawing what you like.

The best piece of advice is get a sketchbook and when you are bored just draw and it will put you in the habit to keep doing it. Take it with you where you go because it will taunt you every time you bring it.

I believe in you, Anon.
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i haven't made a post in this thread for a while
I'd say I'm improving but I'm still better at shading than at my lines. Someone gave me a helpful tip about torso scaling that I will use in the future (but was not used in this picture).

The snake on the left was just something I did for fun during the picture, not related in composition. Just a fun experiment with clipping and stuff.
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>>635343
sorry I was rude in this post
>>636607
I like to spend time on garyc and on Doodletwo! that is my sketchbook, I guess. But it only helps me with my lines, not shading (though garyc helps me understand *where* shading is important, just not related to the brushes I use in Medibang).
>>634246
>>634272
i like these responses :)
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>>637996
you're too soft 4leaf
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oh yeah I guess I should post this too
from march 30
it is a girl giving a mailman a love letter and having to explain that it's not meant to be mailed, it's meant for the mailman
it was based on a drawing i did on sketch so the head is kinda big (need to do big head because brush size is also kinda big on sketch)

also: hair look not so good (I think I've improved on that but I'm not providing proof), but I like the shading on everything else. I will try and "study" fancy anime eyes at some point.
I personally just don't believe in the monotonous repetitive "studying" that /ic/ people and real artists go on and on about, I just don't have the patience. I can't spend half a notebook just drawing like a single finger over and over again, or a set of eyes again and again, or whatever. When I draw, I have a single-image "story" I'm going to tell, and I'm not going to spend 13 years in an isolated tower drawing fingernails before I tell that story.

sorry, the tone on that sounds a little off... i am meaner on 4chan than elsewhere
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>>638009
no u

tried drawing in oekaki to get back to the "roots" of this thread, i dont wanna just draw stuff in medibang and post here, it'll just be no different from what i post elsewhere
I haven't been "studying" like I said in my last post but definitely by looking at how other people draw things I take mental notes of certain shapes. I dont do the monotonous practice stuff but when I draw I do keep these things in mind and try little attempts at them. So I guess it is practice!

I am feeling better than I was before in this thread, and more confident in drawing.

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>>640170
oh for a basic explanation of this picture its just like... people draw cat-girls or rabbit girls a lot
this is a flower girl.
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>>633085
Yup. One year of autistic levels of obsession are more than enough to draw good.
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>>640181
i've never seen that before. the fastest I saw was two, with a more average 3 (these were talented artists.)
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>>639142
Hey, this is pretty good.
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i been drawing a ton on Sketch and such but i dont feel like posting stuff on here, but i prolly should
a lot of what I make is short fun comics
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draw more, draw more indepth, eventually youll hit the point where you will actually process what your trying to do
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>>632174
give it a year or two and you will see results if you're devoted enough. don't shit out one tiny doodle a week or something like a faggot
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>>640170
lol this turned out way bad in tegaki here is what i did two months ago in medibang for this character (before I did the tegaki picture i think lol)
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>>644116
I definitely draw more than once a week but my friends and I do a thing where we pick a "theme" for each week to do one good picture
but we kinda not been doing that much lately... :(
that doesnt mean im not drawing though

I like the bottom two for this and the top right
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idk maybe i not post other nsfw stuff here its kind of embarrassing
I think its good for practice because of body knowledge but will people really want to see this here?
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>>645790
don't worry about it leaf man, a few nude tiddies won't bother anyone here
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>>633163
Imo tracing a given subject be it eyes or hands or something else entirely gives you a basic idea about the structure but what you need to do after tracing it 2-3 times under different conditions in order for it to be beneficial try to simplify it and break it down into basic shapes. That helped me to understand the forms that are needed to construct eyes for example.
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>>645793
a bit more than that

also wow i realized she's kind of dark in this picture but whatever
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>>632174
>how much time do I have to devote just to draw "good"?
an infinite amount of time. there doesn't exist a benchmark where you suddenly decide "ah yes, i'm good now." it doesn't happen. you go through waves of "hey, this came out really good" and "oh, this is embarrassing" and "i could've done much better than this". your opinion of your work fluctuates, and there always exists another artist to humble you.

you cannot get good. but you can be better than you were last year.
>I don't even want to draw realistically, just make stuff that looks like those Gyari videos, or like...
if you want to make art like someone else, then you need to study their work with intent. specifically look at what they're doing: what choices they make with line weight and what goes where, why their eyes look the way they do, why the composition is designed the way it is, etc. copy it--study and copy art that inspires you, and you will naturally synthesize the parts you like and discard the parts that don't gel with you.

that's how a style can develop. and it will not happen overnight
>There's just something blocking me from drawing lines properly or replicating curves. Is it necessary to just start drawing at the age of 6 and never stop?
why do children at the age of 6 draw? are they trying to "get good"? are they jamming loomis texts down their throat?

children draw because children have ideas they want to explore, because their imagination is active, because they just watched a cool fucking tv show with some badass robot dude and they want to draw that. i drew kirby because i really loved kirby, and i put kirby in as many situations as i could come up with. i drew because i was having fun drawing, and that's what you need to do: have fun drawing.

draw because you have ideas. draw because you want to see them realized to the extent of your ability. if you aren't satisfied with a work when it's done, revisit it again in the future. you still have an imagination.

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>>645842
yes i like your ideas anon
i agree with you

you say everything i agree with but with more force behind it
I made this thread when i used 4chan more and i liked to be more angry on 4chan but now i dont use 4chan as much
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>>645875
also I think with your first paragraph that definitely makes sense. I would like to add that if there does come a time when you think "I'm good now" then it is bad because you no longer think you have anywhere to improve and you might lose inspiration or the drive to draw
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>>645876
> I would like to add that if there does come a time when you think "I'm good now" then it is bad because you no longer think you have anywhere to improve and you might lose inspiration or the drive to draw
well, there's definitely nothing wrong with looking back at your past work and noticing you've come a long way, but yes, it definitely isn't good to stay stagnant. take care and keep drawing, anon
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draw is fun

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I really like how this one turned out, made it a few days ago on a site
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>>647623
oh this is cute
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>>647613
she just busted a nut
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>>633184
it's not so bad
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>>647731
lol
i have definitely improved since then! recently I am drawing more hands but I like your red guide on the right. I've definitely much improved on arms though, looking at this image just reminds me of the scary coomer wojak pictures

>>647721
hmm.. I... I guess so. That's what pollen is, after all
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>wanting to be good

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Soft plant
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>>649308
super cool, I'm save it
you draw in interesting line style, many sharp angles. thank you for such brain activatoin

I spend yesterday and today drawing this in small bits of free time, probably spend 3 hours in total? maybe
is hard to tell when its all over the place
background is a little weird i'm have to spend time practicing real backgrounds instead of abstract nice patterns and things
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>>649333
and of course there is also not suitable for pure eyes version

why is called "not safe for work"? What if you are a professional artist, and are studying nude pictures? that seems quite work appropriate
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i swear not all my pictures are porno
just the ones I put more work into

i do lots of not porno on Sketch site
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>>649335
In the same boat, anon. In the same fucking boat.
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>>632174

>>649334

Just six months, that’s some improvement right there
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the “free sex” and a few other edits were made by someone else
It’s just girl who likes her purple alien toy thing

Not particularly skillful drawing but it’s simple and I liked enough to post
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>>650865
cute
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i occasionally like to draw big robot mech things but its not so often
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>>652385
its from an aggie picture
i drew robot i did not draw black in top right
i drew a bit more on this but I took the screenshot early and didn't get the final thing. There wasn't a whole lot added though, this is enough
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It’s nice picture of characters. No super fancy lighting or colors, I think. Just wanted to do something better than capable on draw sites
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>>654356
nice job 4leaf
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I wanted to try doing fun stuff with color and shading and all that. Color theory? maybe thats appropriate term
i dont know real art words
I drew penis because idk its funny and easy but also interesting shape and not a cube like other people might do
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>>656642
the green one was done first, then the one on the left, then the one in center
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I haven't been posting here lately
Here is some cool images I have colored after drawing them on sites and not on Medibang like I do for actual quality pictures. I recently haven't been doing medibang images because if I'm working for like two hours straight on a complex drawing my roommate will look at it and then we talk for like an hour about dumb stuff that isn't even the image. It's...
Special kind of annoying
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File names are weird because I'm posting from my phone. Here's a request from someone that I may have interpreted their words differently than intended
I thought it's funny comic if still weird
And there were good varied views and poses I think?
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>>659184
>>659182
really good coloring especially the robot guy
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sorry for extra lewd crigne
im not good with background but I think anatomy is better now, also fun with colors and shading to an extent





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