>>668180
If you're going to post pencil draws, the at least focus your fucking lens so it's a clear image.

>>668186
Shut the fuck up faggot

>>668186
this

>>668193
No.

>>668196
you're a FAG listener-kun!
please rope yourself, before the UN feeds you cornsyrup!

>>668186
I can't jack my big old dick off to a pencil drawing unless its out of focus unevenly lit and much too high res.

NOW, If you will excuse me...

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>>668197
The Listeners death has sealed the fate of everyone else on /i/. The text posters triumph, releasing the shitpost virus into the board. Several artists are inconvenienced, and the board falls silent... again.

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>>668186
my camera's shit lmao

>>668388
Way better.

>>668566
I think I overdid it with the hatching.

>>668186
nobody likes you namefag

>>668180
>>668224
>>668388
>>668566
you all draw like shit anyway.

>>668608
Okay.
>>668610
Alright.

Post your art next time though.

>>668610
pyw
>>668608
he's great

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>>668639
Here's my art, Nigger.

>>668610
At least he draws, go back to /ic/

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Guess who i drew while trying to draw myself. (my head is skinny)

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I will leave a post

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I finished this request, i'm not used to anthro characters but hopefully it'll get better

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request by someone who wanted to see his OC drawn.

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I don't have that character's name, but don't you think he looks like a wild person?

>somebody has been using a shit oc doodle of mine on discord as their pfp
>feel I could never get online criticism because I dislike people saving things I've drawn
its weird because they flipped it and possibly saved it from me having used it as my own profile pic, I didn't post it anywhere. hoping he decides to change it and forgets it

>>669339
They just took a drawing of YOUR oc?
that sounds weird as fuck

>>669339
yeah
it was my profile picture then I changed it only until I realized this person in a server I rarely post in ripped it, flipped the image for some reason and is now using it as their discord/youtube pfp

granted they don't know I drew it but so weird to see it happen to you, especially after not getting the big deal when some artists find their art somewhere else being used

>>669347
yeah it's weird, granted it hadn't happened to me but I get it.

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Not really An OC but I like how this came out

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I need more pro wrasslin women in my life.

>>669433
lol why is the alien attracted to the man in a wig?

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It's fun to draw an old man.

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GIRUGAMEEEESH!
I think I fucked up the tits really badly, the abs too

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Good morning fellas.

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>>670258

>>670274
blog?

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>>670274

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splatoon is a weird niche that I never knew catered to me.
I heard a song and I thought that it sounded a lot like a splatoon song, so I drew a fake band and album to go with it. https://youtu.be/uh1cb-m9JwQ initially I wanted to make it actually look like the painted stuff but I got lazy and didn't attempt it
Characters
Capt'n Finnan (top) : A collosal squid from somewhere far, no one really know what the hell he is, and why is he so big. He picked up guitar a while back and quickly realized that he needed some money if he wanted to actually live, as his size requires expensive tailor-made stuff. His guitar is usually way taller than most Inkling, making his music slightly unusual and appreciated by some people.
Escabrèk (Bottom) : A drummer octopus, she plays the drum intensely and was renowned for her previous solo project Ouritian Snares, filled with intense accoustic drumming solos strong enough to light up a fire in the hearts of anyone. She met Finn while travelling in search of any inspiration.

you really need to work on anatomy and lineart holy shit anon

>>670349
yeah, line art is a huge problem of mine, i don't really know how to improve on it, my anatomy sucks but I'm slowly improving on it, like lineart I don't really know how to improve on it outside of like studies.

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Fuck it, have 1 (one) coom art

>>670593
coomer art ftw

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>>670593
big titties are weirdly fun to draw...
P.O.V you're training with Roquefort and she learns about your powers by accidentally copying them.

I wonder how fast will I get into the money with zone shitty coom art

>>670951
*into the money zone

why do I even bother with drawing, it all look shitty

>>670791
a pioneer is what you are good friends

>>668608
>>668616
i like you namefag :)

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"Hey Aigle, you should watch your attitude in here, we're barely on the brink of war with 'em. It's gonna end in bloodshed if you fuck up."
"Tch, don't worry, it'll be their blood, gramps..."
"Fuckin' hell..."

>>671101
dude you've got a knack for drawing ye olde lookin men

>>671104
i think hes into old gay dudes

>>671110
>>671104
he's just an older man, what's wrong with that baka, not my fault that the cooler characters are always the older ones.

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digital art has a shitton of crutches that I like.
I should've done the head way larger.

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>>671207
It's okay anon. if you wanna be a faggot and suck an old man dick, I'm sure you will find an ojisan with a suckable cock

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>>671788
screw you i'm gonna draw young women now, eventually building up to becoming worse than Shadman or some rando pixiv loli fag

>>672157
Based

>>672157
I'm joking
also holy fuck why do I keep posting W.I.Ps.
it's fuckign retarded

>>672160
it looks fine dude
just keep grinding fundies you'll get the spark sooner or later

>>672696
i should learn the fucking basics,
It doesn't look bad at first glance but when I look at it for more than two seconds, all of my mistakes are glaring.

>>672697
>>672696
looks cool to me. embrace your asymmetry

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When I think of edge, I think of insane looking feminine male characters with anime hair

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I would like some feedback on my style. I posted 5 pics in the other general art dump thread.
>>672708
>>672709
>>672711
>>672712
>>672713

>>672809
Not bad, I like your anatomy, faces could use a bit of work to make them more appealing, but it's more of a personal thing (finding a place inbetween realistic face and stylistic is pretty art, feel free to experiment with your style)

>>673270
*hard not art, i'm retarded.

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Robopon is a pretty neat thing, experimenting how to do faces

>>672809
You're not good enough to have a purposeful style, nor it has soul to be interesting. Sorry anon.

>>673666
not a w.i.p, a friend asked me to redline a drawing that they did and I accidentally did an illustration instead

>>672809
it looks great, most of the shitty people on /i/ are troons and homosexuals trying to keep this an >>>/lgbt/ board.
Hence all the shitty anime and gay focused pornography

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fucking around and finding out

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Hey, it's me, Raiyoo from Streets !

for some reason i'm reminded of Hokuto No Ken when I see this drawing.

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Muscles are too fun

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Shit rendering

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A mystery, no one knows where she came from, but she often appears within the sight of those magically gifted.

>>674577
>>674856
these are great improvements
you're slowly progressing dude

>>674856
this one's great, good job!

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It's him, Nathan Higgs>>669257

>>675024
Tried something else and used symmetry to do the base of the head, then free handed most of it.
It kinda looks off but the guy is fucking insane and I feel like it works a bit nicely for him

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>>675024

>>675024
>>675031
i see it now kek
"nate higgers"

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>>671101
sketch

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Environment stuff for a comic project i've been thinking about.
scanning this was a pain because the drawing was too big for the scanner

I kinda want to start my comic but I feel like I need more practice to make it

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the finished drawing is like mixed media but I can't show it because it would look like shit with my camera

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I wanted to make a y2k style thing but then I fucked up early and did my own thing instead

I feel like brushes with pressure sizes doesn't fit me at all.

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i did a little doodle earlier

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yarr sketch

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Oh no, Aiglefin, Mirasol and Roquefort are stuck in a room while on a stealth mission !
(shit comic made while bored.)

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>>676989
Mirasol and Aiglefin has the worst plan ever, asked to leave the Helios navy
still a shit doodle lmao

god why does my digital shit looks 10x worse than the trad art stuff, it's fucked up

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fun gun summons

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>>670274

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did this out of boredom. any thoughts?

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I drew this for a drawthread yesterday.

>>677313
looks pretty nice ! I really like what you did on the clothes and hair, the colors and the face is pretty nice, it's a bit rough, but it's not really a huge painting project I assume.
>>677346
Really nice artstyle, I really like the confidence in the lines etc, I have no fucking idea what's the context to that image
>>677289
The monster's thing teeths are really detailed, I love how you made it too, the black tendrills that bleeds outside of the lines fucks.
The puppet in the middle is also really great, nice job on the rendering and shading, it reminds me of 2000s indie french comics and the good kind of tumblr art if that makes sense.

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trad stuff

>>677370
do you draw from your wrist or from your shoulder ?

>>677370
a mix of both, i've been trying to lean more towards drawing by moving my arm,
using the wrist is a bad habit that I have.

>>677376
what canvas size do you use?
almost all of the scanned images you posted are big
is that a file conversion quirk or do you draw a4 sized compositions?

>>677385
ah usually I draw on A3, and my scans are 600dpi, most of the files I posted here are 30% size iirc

>>677403
maintaining a steady stroke is difficult as is
but with a composition that big wont it make thing even more difficult
you must have some mighty strong shoulders to pull that off consistently
Im impressed more than anything actually
i struggle with chronic small canvas disease being unable to draw big properly

>>677408
it's a bit difficult but it's a necessary thing to work on.
I wish there was a way to make digital art feel more like trad though

>>677719
your work reminds me of early alex ahad
its got that aesthetic

>>677728
I think it's the face ? The character in the drawing pretty much has a skullgirls face

>>677729
its the general proportions as well
there's the distinct long defined limbs
if he manages to polish his work enough i reckon he would shine

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>>677719
sorry for the double post, it's just that I fucked up white balance

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>>673842

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>>677755
I really like the dithering you used, it reminds me of those old PC-98 visual novel.
It's a pretty big improvement compared to the previous drawing.
The left breast is a bit assymetrical compared to the right one, nothing major but it's there.

>>677755
Are you an armpitfag anon?

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Gansoku Maiharu rkgk, the anatomy is fucking wack because it's basically just a sketch, i'm fucking around with brush opacity and shading in this one

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Otacon is a cool guy

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drawing did for a friend, I actually made her boobs smaller than the ref given, it's a bit low effort in my opinion.

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Neptuneman's Pastamania

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Mechanical girl going on for some repairs, dithering gives me life

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This sketch is supposed to be a self-portrait, but I feel like I didn't make myself ugly enough, call it a form of artistic freedom.

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Here's a palate cleanser from >>679033

>>679075
you should play with brush oacity more dude
this look way cooler compared to solid black strokes

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Lam Ranch really rocks !
>>679168
Oh, I see, yeah I should fuck around with opacity more often.

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sometimes I think about learning Japanese, but then I remember that I'll probably end up like that if I actually go for it, so my ambitions gets instantly extinguished.

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https://imgur.com/a/GvzZBdd had an idea for a anthology thing, where it's basically a bunch of shit going through my head at the moment.
1st one is "local man wonders if he should shear his face off"

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glit rkgk wip, this one won't actually suck too much

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Parhel drawing, some dude came at school to show us neat basics, and he complimented me by saying that my stuff doesn't look like shit.
I did more stuff but this is the better looking one I did.

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Request did for someone, i messed around with rendering, hopefully I made it shiny enough.

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Drew Kimpa from The Lapins Crétins - Luminys Quest, basically a fantasy manga where Rabbids gets isekai'd to another world and uses magic and all that.
My synopsis blows, and the manga is way better than it sounds

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wip

>>681463
your art style is slowly shaping up into something good
keep at it bud

>>681463
currently stroking my tree, good shit

>>681464
i'm worried about falling into same face territory lmao

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doodles

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asdfghddf

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Hehe

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shroomhead royalty

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he has a cool pomp and doesn't afraid of anything

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made this for school

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Big sword smoking anime man

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>>668180
Wallmart

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this fucking angle is pretty hard

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>>682017

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knight tits best tits, also dithering lives in my head rent free.
Tried to do an angle, it didn't come out right, especially because of the legs, so I cropped them out lol
First time rendering something like that.

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unappealing eyes imo

>>682946
freckles are under rated desu

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w.i.p still fairly new to dynamic poses.

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>>683381

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Style practicing with my PASWG themed Dieselpunk Witch Girl.

>>683540
bigger hat

>>683540
are you the one who had the biker witch OC?

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>>683541
I like the way you think anon.

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>>683545
I am indeed that same dude.

>>683547
i like your work

>>683552
'ppreciated. I need to draw her more often. Recently she's become something of a breakout character for me to draw.

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Harada should add the Walrus Man in Tekken 8 baka

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I tried to render shiny plastic. I didn't really manage to do it well.

>>684079
i loved the style

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>>671073
Thank you, anonfag.

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working on stuff

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i swear i once was good at drawing arms

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>>684300
did it during online class....
I'm not very proud of it, but I do like it

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"I'll be there, where the wind blows..."
I spent a fair amount of time on the rendering, hopefully it'll look like how I want it to.

>>684395
Holy shit this is hilarious
GG mate, keep doin the lords work

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>>677367
thanks. no real context. made it for a drawthread i started on r9k.

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woomy

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Possibly the only time i tried expressing myself in a drawing
God i'm so tired

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Splatoon brainrot
>>685549
get some rest you dummy, it doesn't look bad btw.

thinking of letting this thread die and just migrate back to the oc thread

>>686552
you should stop making threads

>>686552
prefer having your work seperated from the cookie cutter works but its your choice pal

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Young Aiglefin drawing, (he's forced to pose for an ad)

>>686730
:gachiHYPER:

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w.i.p

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"I never told you this sir, but I was a secret service agent for a couple of years, but I'd rather not talk about it."

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drip sketch, i'll finish when I get home from my hospital stay

>>688155
I like it got any socials ?
>>688073
I have a bunch of pencil sketches but I can't send them because mobile data can't upload anything on 4ch

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>>688179
>I like it got any socials ?
No. I'd rather remain anonymous

>>688230
i like your art

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>>688247
Thanks.

I don't normally draw in this style desu.

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I live !

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A drawing done for a friend, I tried to do something nice for the jacket, I made the boobs way too big lmao

>>688304
DeviantArt proportions

>>688331
fuck off big tits are kino

>>688332
never said it's a bad thing

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rkgk, not feeling it rn

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fuck it, fat furry ass motivated me

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funny oc chart

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wip

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man, my own cooking is gonna make me end in a XXXL coffin

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ah, fuck it, I'll post wips more often.

>>689572
what kinda food do you cook?

>>689902
when I made the image I made the best lamb chops I ate.
I have a really really bad habit of eating between meals, i'm trying to change that and eat less

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her name is plasma :)) (not final)

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DON'T FUCK WITH THIS SUNGOD !

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New partial Soleil référence

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sketch of young Roquefort

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wip perspective. I think I made the boobs wayy too big.
This is probably the last drawing I'll post in a while since I'm going to Italy and I can't upload stuff with data

>Oh boy, we're going to Italy :))))
>immediately has a health emergency the very next day that forces me to go back to France

>>691008
I literally did 6 hour of bus to walk for 15 mins in Verona, pondering suicide.

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skeleton noble

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Young Roquefort drawing

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A fan art of Trish from Dog Nigga, It's geniunely one of the best independant web mangas out there, you should really check it out, at https://mangadex.org/title/49c7b586-b0a3-4776-b3f5-3bdc62d82161/dog-nigga

>>691008
>>691013
hope your health's better bud

>>691743
>>691962
you're slowly approaching yoji shinkawa territory with your art style

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wip

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fur sketch

>>692496
the rendering is ultra shitty because i didn't think while making itt

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Mens, god, it shall not matter as they all perish under my fist.

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I drew this for a friend's birthday

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watch out for mimics !

exams are happening

>>694139
best of luck buddy

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rkgk

>>695504
bri'ish peepol amirite?