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Post traditional art that YOU'VE DONE! For critique of course. Please don't dump paintings you found online. We get it, you like the Pre-Raphaelites. How sophisticated of you.
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>>3986989
Changed the lighting on this painting
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>>3986991
and made this one more nocturnal
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>>3986992
added a thin cobalt violet/cobalt blue wash to this then brought up the highlights and redid the outline in spots
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>>3987030
heres a comic strip I did
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>>3987041
this is fun. good use of chiaroscuro, could be more
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>>3986991
the thumbnail on this is fucking beautiful, full painting feels a bit less crisp than i would like. especially the foliage and sky
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>>3987308
The reflections in the water of the 'tunnels' in the second outcrop from the top are incorrect. Your treatment obfuscates the voids. Furthermore the harsh delineated shading on that mass toward the right is awkward
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Oil painting. While I am happy with most things with it, I dont like how some of the rocks in front turned out. some perspective issues
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changed the hues on this
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>>3988261
Decent work. Sky should use more saturated blues to contrast the orange of the face. Contrast range on the outfit is not very good. Outline is an unneeded crutch.
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>>3988263
>Sky should use more saturated blues
I keep trying to and no luck yet. AGAIN it has to dry before I try again. I mix it too light, or too dark, and end up with pale blues or ridiculously dark skies. There's some middle ground I'm not able to mix yet for some reason.
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>>3988273
I think it's honestly the blue I'm using, Cobalt blue gets super chalky super quickly, but the from the tube color is super darker. I guess maybe I could try to do a wash of it? I literally don't think theres a way to retain saturation in it while mixing.
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>>3988261
alright I got a different blue
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>>3986992
made this more saturated too
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>>3987327
NICE 1
I like that heaps
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>>3988330
>>3988329
you'll never impress her, you're creppy
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>>3986991
The colors and forms make up something special. This is brian inspo at it's best.
>>3986992
you can't draw faces, they aren't even 3d. But the rendering still has the brian x-factor in certain areas.
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>>3989382
very true
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>>3987548
I really like this. How big is it?
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>>3987041
That's pretty gnarly comic strip. Where did you learn that?
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posting this here in case /beg/ ignores me again. from imagination, no refs, had to repaint her left eye plus a couple minor fixes left like even hair length and her left eyebrow.
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>>3987308
pretty decent, but not a lot of fun to look at? wheres the tasty beautiful parts you know? more detailed light, etc
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finished this painting
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>>3990913
If her top is supposedly loose, why does it create such a sharp wedge in her shoulder?
The arm looks like it's seperated from the body.
Anyway, how long have you been working on this one?
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here are a few practice paintings/drawings from this week.
1/3
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2/3. she kind looks like someone hit her in the face with a blunt object for some reason. idk
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>>3990913

You aren't done. Go in and work on that hand a little
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3/3
just to show that im equally not very good with grafite but i prefere to practice both simultaniously. i havent been doing this shit for long.
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>>3991195
hows this look
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>>3991190
Proportions are a major issue here - the lower jaw is way too small, the nose too big, the neck too long. This is bordering on caricature. (If that's something you're interested in, this is a good starting point, in terms of how to exaggerate features to create one.)
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>>3991340
The shape is wrong. You need to study the pose of the hand.
Otherwise its a great painting.
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More inking, this time over Itoh Sei who I'm probably going to do more of

Took 30-40 mins on each, but I just can't get the same kind of black he does. I'll post my reference since it's hard to describe
>>3987327
great stuff anon
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>>3991994
I also notice now how nice his lines are, got my work cut out for me
Maybe a nib might work better? I have one but the lines it makes are never quite black, more like an ugly grey for whatever reason
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>>3992002
A lot of that line darkening is done in post on a computer after they scan it in. Ink doesn’t dry black, it dries about 85% grey
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I want to get more into painting, but I don't like watercolors. I'm used to markers and can't seem to get vibrant or deep, dark color with any precision out of watercolor.

Would anyone suggest trying oils?
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>>3992139
try pastels, you can get a lot of color and depth with them and it's still a drawing medium like markers

I added washes and color to this landscape
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>>3992147
I like that a lot, oil pastels or soft pastels?
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im all bout that inking
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>>3992087
This, also try using a decent ink
Comic inking is often made in bigger size than the printed version so it looks more sharp and detailed too
>>3991187
Wtf is with these corners
Don't copy photos, do some studies from other artists to understand skin colours. Usually you have bits of brownish warm shades, cold halftones and cold highlights. Also different face parts tend to have a bit of a different tint
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>>3992153
that's an oil painting, sorry if that reply is confusing, but a transition from markers to soft pastels isn't as awkward or expensive as you might think. that's what I would suggest. this is one of my soft pastel paintings
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trying to bring all my paintings up to date with how I paint, most of the hundreds of paintings I have are unfinished, so i'll probably be posting a lot of them
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Work in progress
Depression fuels my art
If only I could sleep
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>>3986991
why is Brian such a faggot hack?

Your shit is so fucking boring. And you're a toxic safefaggot nigger anonymously on top of it. When do you an hero?
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>>3988261
>>3988329
trash. just quit. There's better ways to force ugly lesbians to hang out with you. You're not going to make it.
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>>3990913
Looks worse than it did last year when you painting cum on the tits. Google what hands look like retard.
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>>3993113
dope
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>>3991340
what does your mommy think of this one?
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>>3990609
go back with like finer tipped brushes and stuff. Looks like a first layer.
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>>3991187
seems like she needs more hair on the left above the forehead. Looks like a tinybrain.
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>>3992154
love the scuba diver, the background is holding it back I think
>>3992263
really enjoying how you do these still lifes
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>>3990913
ready for the dumpster
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Some watercolor portraits
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>>3992154
Put in some effort, anon. Learn from the master. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxf9SZLQV5k
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>>3992147
This is pretty!
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>>3993645
try to make your shape language more arbitrary. Make the tree spoke out in random directions, actual trees are very nonsensical when it comes to perspective, they grow out towards you, up, back down, to the side, away. Trees can be a great exercise to loosen up your perspective skills. Don't just make them grow straight up all the time

Also, thanks!

I chopped up the outlines on this one, made the edges much tighter
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>>3993677
did the same to this one, I'm getting a hang of really bringing these paintings to my desired level of finish. A lot of it I'm finding has less to do with colors and values and more with shapes and contours. Most of them just need tighter shapes.
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>>3993677
Thanks for the advice! I agree, its a bit tame looking although i did base it off a tree that I see in real life.
I am really enjoying messing about with oil pastels so far but I got a lot to learn lol.

Also your building pieces are very nice
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>>3993479
this channel looks great, thanks
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>>3990609
Maybe you should try another medium. It is tricky to alter in watercolours. I would recommend using a ref next time.
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Never painted or drew before assist from doodles as a kid, but I used my gfs paints because I had an hour to kill yesterday.
Painting is a lot of fun, I want to do more of it. What are some things you guys did when you were learning? Lots of really cool paintings in here.
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I made some changes to this one
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heres three things I did today
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>>3996851
good job with the grass, it has a nice flat look to it
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>be art board
>struggle to keep threads actually about art alive/active
should i just go to reddit instead?
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>>3997692
>should i just go to reddit instead?
yep. Mods (aka Brian) just ban everyone else. Any interesting people get shooed away and Brian acts like a faggot at them anonymously until they go away, and if they don't leave they just get month long bans. The board will never not be dogshit because of the toxic autist.
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>>3992176
I like the colors here a lot more than in your oil paintings. Their vibrancy lends well to how you depict your shapes.
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>>3998069

Brian's a jannie? Goddamn.
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>>3988261
In reality peoples figures don't have bold black outlines. It does make the figure stand out, just not in a good way.
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>>3998250
Listen to this guy. The outline destroys the painterly look of the piece and the sense of depth. Obvious amateur mistake
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>>3998250
>>3998276
stfu retards
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>>3998346
More like Brian Discomforti

Learn how to paint
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>>3998069
Wow. Brian is a janitor. I wonder if some of my bans for absolutely nothing relates to this fact.
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>>3998384
im not a janitor though
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>>3992139
>oils?
maybe see if you like gouache first. you could probably even mix a little white into your watercolours along with it so they dont go to waste. could also use the same brushes.
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From a reference I found on s
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>>3987041
Quality line work
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Got any good books or tutorials on pastels for beginners? What to buy, how to draw, how to store work, how to inhale dust and get cancer? Maybe a good Youtube channel?
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Mom has for some reason decided I should paint some wooden objects (like our bag holder) with "cool drawings".

What paint should I use for that, acrylic? Do I need to apply varnish afterwards?

I only have experience with oils and they were awesome for blending, not so sure acrylic will offer me as much flexibility. I'll ask her to buy Red Blue Yellow White Black paints and see what comes out of it. And whatever brush + water.

Am I missing any tool here?
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>>4000948
>What to buy,
artist line with lightfastness
>how to draw,
on paper, primed or specially made pad
>how to store work,
behind glass
>how to inhale dust and get cancer?
shake, dont blow
>good Youtube channel?
just search for the questions you have
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>>3998355
nice burn!
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So I wanna try my hand at painting from life to improve my eye for colour and lighting but I'm not sure what medium to use.

Should I try gouache, oil or acrylic?
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>>4003448
>gouache, oil or acrylic?
have you used either before and are familiar with their differences? i think it comes down to where in life youre trying to paint as theyd all have their advantages/disadvantages depending on the location and subject.
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>>4003448
Start with a watercolour tin and Arches
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>>4003513
oil you have to wait to dry where as acrylic and gouache are water based.
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>>3992176
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>>4003513
Also I'd say I'm mainly trying to paint scenery and I'd probably do it in a sketchbook.
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>>4003575
oil needs primed pages to prevent the oil soaking in, and wax paper to protect the painting from the previous page.
acrylic needs a special palette setup to keep the squeezed paints from drying on you.
gouache usually needs at least mixed media paper that can handle a bit of water.
gouache can be put into pans and carried around in a minimal setup.
test acrylic and gouache in your sketchbook and see which one handles the paper in it better.
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>>4002042
>>4003517
What is it with you all and advising people to start with expensive professional shit?

>>4002042
>artist line with lightfastness
Why should I care about lightfastness if I'm just starting out? I need something basic and cheap yet decent enough. So I bought a set of 12 Koh-i-Noor sticks, they're actually pretty good, but the palette is too limited. Also, I bought a rather cheap pastel sketchbook with textured paper, but it's pretty bad at holding multiple layers of pastel. So today I bought some sheets of Canson Mi-Teintes of various colors, as well as some more pastels. I bought a few sticks of Rembrandt, one Schminke, a set of 12 colours of cheap locally produced pastels that people on Youtube said were good (they aren't), a set of 32 Mungyos (they're great), as well as a few sticks of Faber-Castel hard pastels, and a white pastel pencil.

>on paper, primed or specially made pad
Yeah, I don't think I'm ready for primers yet, and pads are quite expensive. As I said I bought some paper. I also bought some sandpaper as some Youtubers suggested, and I have to tell you, sandpaper is awesome. Even shitty pastels feel great on it, leave vivid marks, and can be applied in several layers no problem. The finer grained sheet I bought produces very smooth uniform color, and the rougher one has texture.

>behind glass
I know that's what you do with actual finished pieces, but how do I store studies and such?

>just search for the questions you have
That's what I did, thanks.
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>>3986989
I'll finish it tomorrow. Thanks.
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I'm just a lurker but this is my favorite general
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>the fucking brian general
fuck this board. fuck the nigger jannies.
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>>4005271
>but how do I store studies and such?
hairspray to fix and put them somewhere out of your way.
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Hello?
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>>4008842
This anon >>4005271 here. Thought I'd have something to post today, but no, this is harder than I thought. Probably should have started with simple studies, I tried to draw portraits right away and they turned out bad. Also didn't have much time to draw at all.

>>4006824
For now I just put paper between them, but I should try the hairspray, see how much it darkens the pastels. Also, I have already ruined a drawing (which wasn't really that good to begin with) with pastel from another page in the sketchbook. It was just a light smear so I thought it'd be fine, but it was a Schminke (extra soft), should be extra careful with them.
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I just finished this one, it's 200x60cm

What do you think?
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>>4010262
Also this one. 180x120 cm. I am a dutch painting student, 22 years old. Kind of into the occult.
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Here's a pic.
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>>4010270
Why nature tho? What about painting something like trivial. Like a sneaker or some. but same style. Could still be "occult" The occult is also really old now.
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>>4010270
I always wondered, how good is Dutch art education today?
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>>4010262
Interesting concept and use of colors, but I wish the art would have been way more clear and not so blurry to look at.
Also, take your time on small details. It really add to the whole picture.
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>>4010472
Well in the west of the netherlands, artschools are more focussed on design and following current trends in fine art. Quite politically correct, i'm talking about Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Den Haag, etc. Also Utrecht. These days, you'll get extra rep if you are not a white man, gay, or genderfluid. BUT, there are some smaller artschools. Those are waay better. They are not into any education format at all. Like, at my school, i can be really serious friends with my teachers, I can drink with them and go in depth about our work. Really get to the bottom of it. Also, the students are all about making their own criteria. And we get the support. It's more about developing the self, instead of chasing an idea.
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>>4010483
I took the photo with my phone, kind of my fault, i still need to take proper pictures
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>>4010262
Top third of the painting is most interesting
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>>4010720
The picture quality isn't what I'm getting at. Theres a lack of sharp details, and some laziness involved here.
Like the white stuff in the back, especially since it draws attention. They're just white smudges with no refinement whatsoever.
The same thing with the guard rail on the side. Otherwise, like I said previously, the use of colors are good and I like the concept you're going for.
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>>4010270
kino
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Prof gave us pastels to use outside of class; I'm just so fucking lazy to work these crayons what the fuck is the dealio?
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Not really crazy about this one so far. Obviously a WiP. Would appreciate any thoughts no matter how harsh
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>>4011197
That dark thing is too dark I think.

>>4010930
Can you formulate a coherent question?
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took a pic of my classmate's work; intention is to prepare for a larger version of this
probably took her 30 minutes
would love to emulate this
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>>3987548
Really like this, maybe a bit more light diffusing through the foreground waves would make it pop even more. Nice work tho
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I fucked up your lips, forgive me Beato!
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>>4011197
technique is good af, but maybe draw some else too, more personal. feks ur jacket or something. abstract, study art history theory deep for fun.
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>>4012217
Thanks, trying to improve as I work a trade full time. This is what the final product will look similar too, my last painting. Any recommendations of artists to look up? Big fan of Ori Gerscht, Goya, OKeefe and Caravaggio
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>>4010303
Neat!
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>>4011197
The black shit on the left completely ruins the composition of the painting
You seem to be inconsistent with your work. I don't know if this is due to a lack of experience or just laziness?
You could have added more perspective to your work in order to make it more interesting. Otherwise, keep at it anon. You're doing good. I especially like the dark blue flower in the middle. You have put some soul into that.
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>>4013834
lol
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Hi trad, im trying out charcoal, idk why im getting these gaps.

Im using 125 gr paper btw.
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>>4014347
when you say "gaps", do you mean the textured effect you've gotten from the shading?
that just means you haven't blended anything, eg., with a paper towel, finger tip, or other real tool
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What are the best brand of goauche? I know white nights is great for watercolour but I need something for gouache.
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So my first time painting on canvas and I am using a spray gesso

I put two coats on it, and it is still pretty rough. Is a gessoed canvas supposed to end up smooth or keep the same texture of the canvas?
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>>4014836
Sand it down. You can buy sanding blocks at home depot
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>>4014774
mind of watercolor has a video on gouache brands I think. really depends what country youre in however, if a brand has a lightfast/wool scale on their paint and is cheap and easy to get near you, then spending twice as much on a luxery brand from italy or whatever is unnecessary. you'll want to compare how big the tubes are for the cost also.
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>>4013834
I’m planning on painting over the black thing, which is actually purple with bad lighting. It didn’t turn out how I wanted so once I’m done it won’t be visible. What do you mean when you say “more perspective”? As in keep the lighting consistent across the whole piece? Thanks for the advice anon
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Second oil painting, pls crit me bros
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>>4014998
i like what you've done with the background
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>>4014998
Proportions, anon. That's a gigantic leg.
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if it makes anyone feel good, the faggot janny that just endlessly gives me month long bans for "ban evasion" anytime I post here, regardless of the reality that I'm not evading any bans, has actually put a pretty significant hamper on my ability to be productive. So for that future suicide case in Baltimore that has sealed their destiny of being shot in the brainstem by my ruger, I guess they can chalk it up as a win. This board is such cancerous autistic nonsense, and the /pol/ nigger jannies don't give an uppity shit about this place. They protect the most malignant retarded faggots with nothing to show for themselves while making it impossible for people that actually like producing and sharing art to do so on this board. It's kind of sad and frustrating that this shithole is impossible to participate in for anyone with a novel aesthetic or specific personality. This thread is trash and this board is cancer and it's kind of frustrating and stupid that the primary thing preventing this place from not being dogshit is the belligerent faggot moderation. At least a few years ago there was NO moderation. Now there's faggot moderation by Russian nigger shills that get triggered by everything and ban everyone interesting for anything over nothing.

Seriously if it means anything to the people this is applicable, I'll be marginally happy when you've killed yourself, which is an inevitability. You'll never be happy. You'll never escape your self. Your self-destruction will be well deserved and nobody will remember your name.
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>>4014774
Holbein
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>>4014998

Try to work on your edges, blend shit a little more
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>>4016398

I think you should seek professional help, Jimbo.
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>>4016523
>Holbein

What about Schmicke?
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>>3991994
>>3992002
this manga is so fucking good, I fucking love this guy's art
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Okay, this anon >>4008857 here again, here's what I'm drawing at the moment. It's better than the previous two portraits I did, but I still think I lay too much pastel and it ends up being an unblendable mess. I could switch to a more expensive paper that would be able to handle this, but then I'd never learn a valuable lesson of thinking before doing, one of the reasons I decided to try traditional art. Also, I could try a different rendering style, with less blending and layering in general, but I wanted to learn the style of William Schneider.
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>>4012263
That's really nice
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>>4012263
>endations of artists to look up
Judy Chicago. You're similar.
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>>4012263
if you are going for those geometrical shapes around the painting you should put a little more effort into making sure they are straight.
Use a ruler or masking tape
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>>4016398
>faggot moderation by Russian nigger shills
are you related to the templeOS guy?
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what makes an engaging painting? figures are a dime a dozen, also faces, and faces doing weird things with odd coloring.
people will look at a painting longer if its portraying a story, but what kind of story to put into a painting that isnt contrived power fantasy, or simply sexual?
not intending to put anyones stuff down, just trying to work out how to decide what to paint.
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>>4023913
>how to decide what to paint.
Paint what you want and what you like, you stupid idiot, be sincere. Also, when was the last time you've been to an exhibition?
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>>4023994
suffering lack of creative energy currently i put together a subject and composition based on a random word generator. halfway through painting it ive realised women and snakes is way overdone, and its led me to asking these questions.
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>>4014998
painting too thick. the texture of the paint is fucking with your highlights.

painting too fast. when painting a form turn, take your time to mix a new tone on the palette each with stroke so you achieve a gradation. Don't blend much, let the nearness of values blend for you.

Gr8 job starting out in black and white though. keep practicing and you'll probably be purty darn good one day.
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I have a piece of weeaboo fan art I made, its traditional media (I dont know how to use software). Is that applicable for posting on this thread?
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went to a figure drawing session today. about 1 1/2 hours
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>>4025342
>observing and painting a naked guy

lol fag
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>>4025342
solid. arms and hands leave something to be desired, though
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>>4025347
its only gay if you get an erection while doing it. luckily the chastity belt that master forces prevents erections.
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retard question--how do you go about painting faces? Do you work the skin in and around general shapes like the eyes and nostrils, or just blast skin everywhere and paint eyes on-top?
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>>4026060
Well, what medium are you using?
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>>4026239
Oil on canvas
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>>4026241
Are you starting with a sepia sketch? Usually you want to have everything sketched out and to fill in eveything all at once
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>>4026244
Yeah, I've got the the figures penciled in, they're just devoid of facial features.
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>>4026249
Then you should sketch those out too, silly!
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>>4026273
i think what hes getting at is the opaque paint will cover up the sketch, and then it was all for nothing.
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>>4026280
Then here really doesnt know how to use oils.
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>>3988329
why do you obey every random poster on this board? use your own eyes to paint, not someone else’s.
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>>3991340
holy shit if you keep listening to the amateurs on this board, your work is going to keep getting more generic and more bland
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>>4026846
for real. i think his paintings look great, i love the rendering. not everything needs to be a shiny anime girl.
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>>4026868
what makes you think I like shiny anime girls? not that it’s worth anything, but some of my favorite artists are Courbet, Rubens, Michelangelo, Picasso, Basquiat, Warhol, Monet, Gauguin, de Kooning, El Greco, Rauschenberg, Rothko, Pollock, Klimt, Degas, Cezanne, Koons, Matisse, Titian, Condo, Corot, and Renoir.

I frankly don’t give a shit about “rendering,” “form,” “color,” “line,” “contour,” “shape,” or any of that shit.
What matters is duende. Brian could easily have duende if he wanted it, but it doesn’t look like he does. It’s not for everyone, I guess.
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>>4026893
>Brian could easily have duende if he wanted it, but it doesn’t look like he does.
that's because im an illustrator at heart, not a fine artist
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>>4026893
>unironically liking warhol

it all comes down to taste. i just think his art is really good, and while criticism is good, you shouldn't just follow every single one you receive from someone who just might have a completely different taste. personally i'm really into the brushwork and the illustrative style. obviously its his decision though to keep posting and following critiques.
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>>4026900
Okay, you do you. I respect that.
But why are you using the vocabulary of fine art (oil on canvas, landscapes, still lives, portraits)? You could get good work as an illustrator, but you have to illustrate something. Illustration, as far as I can tell, is like a broomstick—it needs to lean against something in order to stand; otherwise, it’d fall to the floor.
Why not collaborate with writers or something?
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>>4026907
I understand that. I just want him to realize his talents to their full extent, and I don't think he'll do that by outsourcing his eye. Having one mentor is ideal, but group critiques are pretty useless.

Also, I'm going to post some Warhol's, and if you don't like them, give me the specific reasons why. All I ask is that you talk about the actual work, not Warhol's persona or status or any of that shit.
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>>4026915
speaking of duende, Warhol's got loads of it
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>>4026916
and if you're unfamiliar with duende, I highly recommend this essay:

https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Spanish/LorcaDuende.php

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtTpIj2xRcM
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>>4026917
ok this is the last one I'll post for now
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>>4026893
>I frankly don’t give a shit about “rendering,” “form,” “color,” “line,” “contour,” “shape,” or any of that shit.
Even the modernist artists you listed can only present their vision on canvas through unique use of line, shape, color and texture. In fact, how those things are employed matters more because their art is non-representational and how you manipulate those things determines if your piece is aesthetically appealing. If you don't care about what makes up art at the most basic levels then I think you're missing the point of making artwork.
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>>4026913
yeah, i agree with that.

also, i was half joking about warhol. i don't have anything specific i DISLIKE about his art. i guess i kind of dislike his persona, just like i dislike banksy (though i hate him way more), i just find them kind of pretentious. the art itself is just not for me, but i don't think there's anything wrong with it. i like printing, but i'm someone who needs at least some sort of aesthetic that resonate with me in an artwork and warhol just doesn't have that.
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>>4026920
what I mean is that
>“rendering,” “form,” “color,” “line,” “contour,” “shape,” or any of that shit
are for critics and students and professors–not artists–to think about.
Making art, to me, is about play. You cannot be fully devoted to play if you're preoccupied with thoughts about theory n shit.

>>4026923
Yeah I dislike Banksy too, but not because of his persona. I just think his work is awfully obvious and heavy-handed. I liked him when I was in middle school and first saw Exit Through the Gift Shop, but I think I've grown out of it. Most of his work, in my eyes, doesn't benefit from prolonged contemplation–you can look at it and "get" it within a few seconds. And once you "get" it, there's no point in looking at it any more.
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>>4026939
I like this piece. I shall hire this man to help make my anime.
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>>4025350
>arms and hands leave something to be desired
is this better?
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>>4026939
Wow, look at you. I think you wouldnt be able to talk about your art properly. All those theories are things you need to know so that you can play freely.
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>>4027081
you don’t “need” to know anything to make art
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>>4011197
Update on this. Took anons advice and covered up the dark purple some, but I’ll add more there. Currently trying to paint a big red jungle flower



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