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I'm 40 years old and frequently hear on L3ddit and Facemash that it is 'never too late to attain my dreams' etc
As the years pass the list of late bloomers that 'made it' get's smaller, now I'm down to Stan Lee and Grandma Moses...
Are these flighty anecdotes and examples just unrealistic words to make people feel better, without any real world fundamentals ??
OR
Is it a way to channel real motivation and snap people out of their sinking ship of dreams?
IS THERE REALLY ANY AGE YOU CAN 'MAKE IT' ... 20, 34, 47, 68, 87?????
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are you asian?
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>>5007798
as long as your brain functions without any retardation you'll be fine
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>>5007798
>IS THERE REALLY ANY AGE YOU CAN 'MAKE IT
Yes, the only problem is when you get older you lose the fire to get leverage on yourself. You become tired and apathetic to self development. You just don't care as much. If you have the fire to do something then it won't matter carry on.
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>>5007798
Dude, "making it" is a meme
Stop getting memed, and just do what you fucking want
If you only wanna do art if you'll make it, you're not gonna make it. This applies to all ages btw.
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>>5007801
No, German British
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>>5007807
ngmi
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>>5007810
You might make it mate, don't be so hard on yourself!. as they are saying in this thread.
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Art should be a side hobby for normal people like you and me.
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>>5007798
The only reason you won't make it is because you ask stupid question and look for validation.
If you want it, just do it, draw every day, study fundamentals, do whatever you can.

If you do this, you will be always better than your previous self, and you have to keep doing until you are content with yourself. Which should be never, as there are always way to better yourself.
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>>5007798
What does "make it" mean in this case? It's not to late to start drawing but what's the end goal here because "Make it" is incredibly vague.
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>>5007798
Vilppu start drawing at 102
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>>5007807
If that is a fast sketch. You already made it why the fuck are you here?
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Everyone talks about Goya making it after 40. I think Robert Hughes goes into some depth on this
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>>5007807
sorry lad but you're ngmi
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>>5007807
not a bad sketch but the proportions are off.. like the arms are short
you can improve with practice but it’ll take years. you might not even be as good as you wanna be until you’re closer to 50. but i knew a lady who learned to play piano at 80, never played an instrument in her life. so just do it, it’s not like you’re ever too old to learn something new. especially if it is something you will find enjoyment out of.
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>>5007978
>not a bad sketch but the proportions are off

Just a 2 minute idea sketch mate
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>>5007798
>Wojak poster is a Redditor by his own admission
Imagine my shock.
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>>5007798
whats even making itt
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>>5007798
>ship of dreams?
Lots of famous artist got their fame only after death. But none of them gave up on their dreams
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>>5009472
leaving /ic/ and gettin gud
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>>5007798
>posts wojaks on chinese forums at age 40
It's already over
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>>5007798
35 years old virgin, it's to late to have a gf?
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>>5007798
Just do it man, if you failed at least you gave it your all. Would you rather prefer looking back to what could have been when you're old and dying?
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>>5007798
Reading that you're 40 with wojaks saved on your pc makes my stomach hurt
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>>5012102
>when you're old and dying
>op's 40
>inb4 that's the joke
Don't worry op, I'm 59 and I like Womack comic strips too. I don't draw btw
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Every single god damn fucking day with this question
Are you fucking capable of learning??
IF you are capable of learning you are capable of making it.
Did your fucking brain shut of its ability to learn? No? Good, congrats you can fucking make it if you fucking work hard.
Art isn't some mystical magical esoteric shit dude, it is fucking drawing pictures...christ
It isn't even that complicated, the hardest threshold for beginners to cross is how to understand form and once you can actually understand form it gets much easier from there.
Shut the fuck up and get working, bitch ass motherfucker
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>>5012135
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What do you mean by make it?
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>>5007798
If I’m on here by 25 I’ll hang myself
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>>5012226
Save yourself the time and do it now

>>5012221
Prob make money with art. You can get good at art but people hire young due to the investment in their training meaning a lot more mileage. They won’t necessarily stay there forever but if they do then it’s a good thing they’re not gonna be senile in 20 years. You can make money and start your own business but you’re competing against younger hungrier people in employed positions
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>>5012229
LOL this isn't NFL, younger people in the art world have far less experience and knowledge, and are much less invest able than a 50 year old artist who has run the ebbs and flows, been around with many different styles and general expertise.
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>>5012229
Sucks to be half way in the grave, should’ve used your time better my guy. Let this be a lesson for all the young people on here.
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>>5012229
>Sucks to be half way in the grave,
Closer to leaving this rock sounds like heaven
>Let this be a lesson for all the young people on here.
Them being here proves otherwise
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>>5012238
But this guy is on 4chan asking about getting into the industry as an old person. He’s not some guy with tons of experience at all, in fact many younger people likely have more experience than him

>>5012243
Nigga I’m 25 and I’ve been drawing since teens
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>>5012254
>old person.
>40 years old

Man this place has got some real strange and disfigured ideas of the world...
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>>5012243 #
PYW
Y( )Y
WYP
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>>5012265
I meant older person. He is arguably older than most people starting
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>>5007798
What do you mean by making it? Whats your idea of making it? Youll never be world class best of the best starting so late but making a living off it? Its possible
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>>5012353
>Youll never be world class best of the best starting so late
Only and All people starting at birth will come to be World Class
Was is this? fifth grade thinking/?
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>>5012265
>>5012366

I support you following what you want to do but you have to be aware of your cope here bud. By all means you can become a good artist but you will not be a competing artist. You don’t have to compete to be good or even make money, but the odds are more than stacked against you if you pursue this in a competitive sense
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>>5012366
you' re fucking trash. Fuck off.
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>>5012371
>By all means you can become a good artist but you will not be a competing artist.
>a competing artist ...

Competitng whatever that is, in the old times people all had their own style and way of seeing the world, so no one could 'compete' with each other, as if Art is Chess or something...
So if I won't be that, that is good news, better than ...whatever you call 'competition' here on ic, bunch of toddlers redrawing each others crap and saying they 'made it' i suppose
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Do you enjoy drawing? If so, then draw.
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>>5012385
>>5012385 #
Your bitter and hostile attitude is exactly the sort of thing that holds older people back but I am almost certain that you as an older person will lack the self awareness to realise it. Your dwindling ability to self criticise and take help from others is what will inhibit you, not your age. Unfortunately it is something that is tied heavily to age for most people
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>>5012395
You seem to be just projecting things onto me no matter what I say, what's it to you what happens? If you really meant what you say then you wouldn't be wasting time on a chinese message board.
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Sorry. It is far too late.
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>>5012485
How could I be projecting when I’m still young, have much more experience than you already and I’m giving you advice? I don’t have to worry I’ve got time to waste, that’s for you to worry about. you’re twice my age
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>>5007798
There are definable steps to reach your answer.
1. Define making it
2. Research what a person who has made it does in their position
3. Research the elements required to perform these tasks
4. Look up related learning resources such as teachers, textbooks, and recordings
5. Repetition in practice

Attempt to do what those who made it do, fail, and recognize what elements you've failed in. Use the appropriate resources to learn about these elements, practice them, fail, practice them, fail, practice them, fail a little less, go back to attempting what the pros do, fail a little less. Repeat until you are made or ad infinitum, as true making it is the endless pursuit of bettering yourself. Which is to say, if you don't want to do this, you don't want to make art, as this is what making art is.
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>>5007798
Never listen to the crabs. If you put in the time and effort you can do it. I believe in you anon. I started late too. We can reach for the same dream together.
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>>5013203
Don't know why a kid would be so happy to be young in a world on the brink, I've had my time, had girls, and done things when it was great,
Digressing thought -- Post your three mid range pieces that show these 'abilities'
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You tell me...
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>>5013737
>Don't know why a kid would be so happy to be young in a world on the brink, I've had my time, had girls, and done things when it was great
Not him. What mean?
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>>5013737 (You)
>Don't know why a kid would be so happy to be young in a world on the brink, I've had my time, had girls, and done things when it was great
Not him. What mean?

A person who should be healthy, logging into 4chan, telling everyone he is the best artist for a 20 year old, with no work, no experience, who is probably a blatant virgin, has no buddies, isn't using his youth to go out and have fun, going drinking, dancing, travelling ie -- BEING A MAN, and enjoying it instead of creeping over a computer screen for hours thinking he is an art critic, or personal coach is absolutely reprehensible and hilarious.
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>>5013785
your art is good, it seems that you need to get off 4chan and focus on the business side of things.
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>>5013785
Great another fucking pensioner shitting up the board.
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>>5007798
Ill be real with you instead of bulshitting you like most crabs here. It is too late for you but you can still keep it as a hobby and maybe even do some commissions here and there if you get good. Doing it professionally though? You have higher chance winning the lottery.
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>>5014103
>Doing it professionally though? You have higher chance winning the lottery.
Too late for anyone really, Art and illustrating is dead
Pretty much any modern art will have these odds, most is outsourced to china and india on Freelance type jobs.
The 60's golden age of hiring and having an in house "ARTIST" is way over, what modern job would need someone who can draw Loomis like figures??
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>>5013785
You insulted the entire board, good job
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>>5013785
>pensioner asks for help
>gets advice
>”everyone’s a fuckin critic who the fuck do you think you are, BE A MAN”

old people, heh. never change
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>>5013785 #
Not everyone you speak to online is a retarded loser, more people than you can imagine are born significantly better off than you could ever hope to be. Good luck trying your absolute best and failing to achieve a fraction of the quality of life I was born with, try not to even think about the future I’ve got ahead of me. But obviously, you’ve got the upper hand because you went to Ibiza 15 years ago and danced with a drunk 5/10. Cope away my elderly little friend, I wish you well.

>pic related, it’s you
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>>5014540
Ahh yeah... ok, this is just an art board, not lifestyle and finance, but thanks for your opinion.
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>>5007798
You can make it as an independent artist, though at your age you'll have to put in more effort than a younger person, considering it takes at least 3 years to reach /int/ level (with no life distractions
) plus several more to build a following into consistent income. If you're ok with the possibility of never retiring, then go ahead.
40 is far too old for industry job though, sorry.
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>>5007798
stan lee doesnt even draw lmfao
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>>5007798
it depends what IT is. with creative work, you can make something that resonates with people and gain "success", however you define it.
if it is more personal to you, like you want to be able to paint like X, then that is something more objective and plain to compare and so more difficult but more concrete.
you could write a One Hit wonder song in 10 minutes and it might magically connect with the masses.
i don't know what the art equivalent would be, but you'd probably need an outlet with an audience which may well be the more time consuming aspect of it all instead of learning to draw/paint/use illustrator or whatever.
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>>5007978
>the proportions are off.. like the arms are short
you haven't seen a 10/10 in bongland. i'd say that anons pic was a perfect reproduction of an Lidl shopper.
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>>5007798
I'll be 40 next year, the reason why there are basically no late bloomers is that you can't afford eating all your time drawing with no guarantee that will pay your bills one day.
You can put it in any way actually, anyone in this thread is right and wrong at the same time, but the short version is: are you ready to die for it? Its an all or nothing kind of scenario. Sure, you can be lucky or destined to 'make it' and end victorious, but the difference between you and a 20 years old is that you don't have the age or the freedom from responsability to return at the start when it's over. Its a gamble, and the only thing you can bet is your current lifestyle, that is pretty safe I guess or you won't have made it this far in life without using everything at your disposal
I know this shit. Because I'm the same.
You know the type, on and off drawing for decades, skilled but flawed, for some reason nobody seems to care about his drawings, you've seen people like me and you on every art platform existing. Plus, I'll be 40 next year, and I'm about to lose my job, meaning that if I get another one, I'll have no more time to draw, ever, and the time I took to stand up again after last time I decided to quit will be wasted
Like my skills, like your skills, like every loser artist out there skills.
So we'll, that's what you have to ask yourself: do I really want this so much I'm ready to risk everything on it?
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childrens books
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>>5007798
honestly you probably won't make it even if you were 10 years younger
a lot of the industry is now gatekept by people groomed to be into it at a young age
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No. Unless you really really have STRONG passion and can put 10 hours a day. Otherwise no. I wasted more than 10 years on this on and off. The hardest thing is to have momentum. To be able to draw 10 hours everyday nonstop. It takes all the place and the rest of your life becomes turbo shit. I'm at a point so close I mean I would need 1 more year to be a pro but I lost my willpower for it. I litreally got the money now and the time. But I'm not doing it. I'm fed up with fundies and practicing. Seriously if I could go back in time I would study in something that pays well and easy to do. I would show you my drawing you would say wtf you are pro go get a job retard. And yet I am not. I was offered jobs by big companies but declined. I look good but I suck.
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>>5016341
You’re not pro because lack of skill, but because you blew your chance to get hired?
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>>5014802
>You know the type, on and off drawing for decades, skilled but flawed, for some reason nobody seems to care about his drawings,

Sounds like textbook me, traditional artist with built style and seasned in many art styles and 'an eye for it' overall -- yet photo traced procreate 'art' getting 1st page, gold and 200000 upvotes on 5eddit, constantly.
Digital tracing procreate BS is the new norm and revered for some reason?
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>>5016893
Results > hard earned mediocrity. No one gives a fuck about how hard you worked to get there, they just care about what you do. If you learned this sooner you wouldn’t have built a mental wall stopping yourself from achieving it.

>want to make successful posts
>won’t produce content anything like other successful posts
>complains about the fact that anyone can do the retarded stuff that most successful posts consist of
>.....but won’t do it

Choose what you want mate but you can’t choose to change the world with your art any more than you can change the entire industry with your music. You’d be stupid to even try to
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>>5012082
That’s unironically me :(
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>>5007803
>>Asking for random peoples opinions on ic
>> Wondering if he's gonna "make it" or not instead of actually enjoying drawing.

Ngmi
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>>5016924
>Results > hard earned mediocrity. No one gives a fuck about how hard you worked to get there, they just care about what you do. If you learned this sooner you wouldn’t have built a mental wall stopping yourself from achieving it.

ummm ok you lost me, but have fun with that, sounds like an NFL motivational speech given to 'young' athletes, ART is the long game, much tougher to attain than NFL football or pretty much any other 'profession', and then some being that anyone with an Ipad and procreate think they are an artist now and the industry standards are dropping and the prevalence of elance contracting jobs being handed to the lowest (3rd world bidder) and social media scabbing has obliterated any class or skill once again.
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>>5016956
I'm the other 40 dude.
Op, if that's what you can do, and don't take it badly, you are so underdeveloped that I don't even know if actually fully throwing your life on it could give you some chance- if we talk about skill. I did this years ago, and I'm struggling too. Just imagine the learning curve you have to face
If we're talking "success", then it's not skill the key. The guy talking about mediocrity was half right, but the fact is that most artists are mediocre, even many professionals
To make money with your drawing you don't need to be good, you need to promote yourself and aim at a specific audience, the classic example is the weird porn and furrows, but that's true for everything. Your art is a product, treat it like that if you want to sell.
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>>5016932
why u ref'ing me?
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>>5007798
I am 30, OP and I wanna try my luck myself. I am sure it is possible to do it, just getting over bad habits is the hard part.
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>>5018560
every time you do something "wrong" write it down next to the picture
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>>5018590
That sounds like a good way to focus on the weaknesses.
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>>5007798
You do art because you want to not because you want a career in art. The question of being able to attain or not attain a career should not prevent you from doing something you love. (Aiming for a career is a bad thing), id love to have a career in at since i love doing art, but ultimately if your goal or purpose is to only have a career in art then youll be just as miserable creating art as you would be doing something else. With the proper education, mentor and time spent drawing then anyone with average intelligence can become technically skilled but dont expect to become the next sargent since his skill takes a lifetime of dedication to achieve
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>>5007798
Bla bla holy shit just draw you ling winded bastard, surprised to see how uncapable of handling yourself you are at 40
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>>5007798

It is already late if you have manchildren.
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>>5007798
Pretty much nobody makes it at any age so don't worry about it.
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>>5018872
That's the actual truth. If you're worried about making it, you're already NGMI
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>>5020223
wuuutt
brb thinking about making it means I will more than make it
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>>5014802
you talk like a real pussy
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if you get good in 10 years and you compare yourself to another 50-year-old artist
no one is gonna give a shit how good a guy is who's been doing it for 10 years vs a guy who's been doing it for 30
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>>5016341
>STRONG passion and can put 10 hours a day
what does a 10 hour art schedule look like
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>>5018560
Sweet, I'm 30 too. My idea of making it is teaching my kids traditional art stuff.

I don't have kids though.
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>>5024990
7 hours shitposting on /ic/
2 hour of masturbing and looking at female figures to draw and possibly coom over.
1 hour of doodling in your pirated copy of photoshop
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>>5025080
What the fuck, actually me right there mate
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>>5025076
That would be comfy. Let's get started on our stuff.
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>>5025080
>pirated copy of photoshop

>actually paying for a yearly subscription to photojew software that you will never own
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>>5025076
>>5025326
Can confirm. It's the only audience you'll ever need. ^^
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>>5007807
Bros... He's already made it...
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>>5026215
Dangerously based
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If you dont make seriously sport make it.
Get healthy and get the qi of a young average men,
Then remember you may have 60 years to live, so yeah ez you can.
Even in 10 years or just 1.
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>>5026215
Thats it with owning things? Im not him, but i don't want to own anything in my life besides my skill that im cultivating, why you want to surround yourself with stuff
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>>5012265

At 40, you are old. I am near 40. People who are 40 are fucking old, you dipshit.

Delusion is rampant in middle aged panic. Be realistic and you'll be able to maybe, maybe, MAYBE make something of yourself before you die.

tl;dr - Cut the shit. 40 is old.
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>>5007903
Nobody fucking knows and nobody will give an answer
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>>5007801

am i delusional for thinking ethnic east/southeast asians absolutely dominate every corner of the internet art-sphere. maybe tis culture/early hardline schooling or just a little more going on upstairs or something?
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>>5027146
based pensioner
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>>5027324

what age is pensioner here? 40+? im surprised theres people here that age, not that thats like a crime or anything
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>>5027327
25 plus, apparently
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>>5012082
kek, why are we congregating here?





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