Drawing doesn't have to be so lonely.
But it is
My sketches and my practice line art look so fucking good (in my opinion) every time then I actually do the line art and it looks terrible. I know why this happens, I'm just upset about it. Like I'm so confident in the work ive put into the building blocks but then i pull away the wallpaper and i realize its a heaping pile of shit anatomy and bad perspective. most drawings i leave in the building stage just because I can't stand to look at it once its "inked".Thank you for listening to my vent
>tv show aired some of the tarrant memes>one of those was my drawingdid i make it bros?
>>5123492Just clean up the sketch layer into line-art, problem solved!
MY ONEITIS MESSAGED ME AND WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION BUT I DUNNO HOW TO MESSAGE HER OUT OF THE BLUE AND IM OVERTHINKING IT I KNOW BUT I REALLY LIKE HER AAAAHHH AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
>>5123484Wanted to start year with drawing everyday. Skipped 4 days. I'm starting to lose hope in myself. Can I really make it and live from art when I'm 25, and working full time and I didn't even start to draw properly. I'm at the beggining of beggining but I feel like I am wasting my time. Going to psychiatrist on 14th hope I will learn something. I am afraid of failing. What if I lose my job and I won't find another? Am I just deceiving myself with thought that I can learn art and be good at it? I'm colorblind and have no sense on what looks good. I don't want to cry another night thinking I'm worthless.
HAMPTON IS BETTER THAN VILPPU!
>>5123518u will succeedfate has smiled upon udo not let your ancestors downgodspeed
>>5123528You really know how to irritate me!
>>5123492Don't do clean line art, then
My ex is getting married and I'm in the same place where she left me. I couldn't move on.
>>5123529Thank you fren
I love (you)!! Goodnight!
>>5123807I love you too. Sweet dreams
I made it but im still khhv what do
>>5123484I hate everything I do and I'll never truly never know if it's great. This will never fucking change and I hate it.
>>5123501really? that's cringe
>>5123850How do you know it will never change?
>>5123873i've been drawing a long time and have never found happiness with finished work. and i assume thats just the way its going to be forever
>>5123878>a long timecan you give a rough estimate? 5 years? 10 years?>never found happinesswhat, if anything, have you done to try to fix this? if you eventually gave up trying to fix it, how long into your time drawing did you do so?
>>5123484Can’t get clean lineart on digital and it makes me feel like I’m going crazy that nobody else struggles with line quality or shakinessCan’t finish a sketch, don’t know what to draw, can’t make that comic because I don’t have the talent and the spark disappeared months ago.First thing that comes to mind when I think of drawing something new is making disgusting fetish art that only appeals to me thanks to my addiction to sexual imagerySimple tasks both in drawing and basic living becoming nearly impossible for me to accomplish Addicted to video games increasingly latelyJust waiting for it all to end basically
How do I get drawn naked by an art girl /ic/?
>>512388110 years.>what, if anything, have you done to try to fix this?I pretended or blindly believed finished work was good in order to get though 10 years. THe only good thing about drawing is the process, at least I can imagine about being there. Basically pretending. I gave up around 9 years.
>>5123894I mean how do I find one :^)
>>5123896and what, if anything, have you done to try to fix your problem once you realized that you were lying to yourself about your finished works?
>>5123913>>5123896>I gave up around 9 years.Looking over your post again, I realize that you might be saying that once you realized you were lying to yourself, you gave up (which was 9 years ago). Is that what you're saying?
>>5123913continued to problem solve and fix what issues I could see in a piece. Is that all there is to art?
>>5123920I've moved to different subjects too. I've moved into uncomfortable areas, such as people, faces, expressions, anime styles.>>5123920>Looking over your post again, I realize that you might be saying that once you realized you were lying to yourself, you gave up (which was 9 years ago). Is that what you're saying?you got it right the first time.
>>5123926>Is that all there is to art?Well, I mean, even people who have been doing art for 20+ years will tell you that they make mistakes all the time; though, at the same time, they do typically say they've made work they are proud of.Once you realized you were deluding yourself, have you ever made a finished work that you liked? Do you focus on the work as a whole, or do you also try to appreciate the parts (if any) that might have been done well?
>>5123937I focus as a whole. If theres anything off about it I usually try to fix it. If theres only one part in a finished peice that I could appreciate, chances are I wasn't happy with the piece as a whole. ( theres always something wrong in a piece )
>>5123632>I'm in the same placeI think you already know why she left you in the first place. It's time to stop taking side quests and start the main story campaign
>>5123948I'm not implying this is as easy as flipping a switch or anything, but have you ever tried lowering your expectations of your art? I don't say this to be rude, and you seem to understand this well enough yourself, but it seems accurate to say you're perfectionist about your art - a quality which, again, as you yourself seem to understand well enough, is not productive. I've been drawing a fraction of the time you have, but I'm naturally fairly critical of my art myself. Maybe this will change in the future, but my perfectionist/hyper-critical tendencies have never fully gone away; that said, I have been able, through conscious effort and thought, to generally lower my expectations with my art and not care so much about the flaws within them (of which there are always many).
>>5123958>lower my expectations with my art and not care so much about the flaws within them (of which there are always manyI think you're wise to do so. You know how respect yourself and you're level of progress.Yes I'm a perfectionist, but on a scale that is unrealistic. You're right anon, I need to lower my expectations and appreciate the subtle flaws in a piece ( normies probably don't even see them )
>>5123972>and appreciate the subtle flaws in a pieceThat a good start, but even lowering your expectations in the sense of changing what you want out of drawing/art. E.g., not saying "I want to draw a perfect copy of the reference I have/the image I have in my head," but "I want to simply draw something" (presumably something you're interested in drawing. Again, easier said than done, but it's worth a shot; and it's not reasonable that you'll ever fully lose that perfectionist side of you, but being even 50% less of a perfectionist is a win in my book. I wish you good luck anon.
>>5123981>That a good startThat's*I sound like a damn caveman
>>5123984lol I read too quick to even notice.You too anon.
>>5123484How many years of utter and complete loneliness before I unironically consider suicide?
>>5123484Where did Vilppu get the energy to live 80 goddamn years. I’m so sick of it all.
>>5123484>Open 4 chan and see threads about how AI will replace all of us.and other crappy vait stuff. >Open twitter and see how the world is shitty>Get even more "depressed"I'd like to take a break from those,but I still need to use internet for my work and looking for reference.What can I do?
>>5123522Sounds like you have issues running deeper than art anon, it's a good thing you're seeing somebody soon. For what it's worth though, setting yourself the task of drawing every day for a year while just starting out is a serious goal. Actually sticking to it would be incredible. So failing it doesn't make you worthless, just not a paragon of discipline.Try just 10-20 mins a day of doodling or fundies, whichever you prefer. It will suck, and you'll progress slowly, but that's okay, because you're sticking to what you promised yourself, and that's what matters. From what you say, rapid improvement at art is not the top priority in your life right now. Figuring out your fear is.Good luck anon. You'll find the right approach to this.
>have no friends, no one to talk to, want to give it an honest try and connect by branching out this year>see past threads about posting art on Reddit, so try it out even though I've never done it before>spend a little time talking to others, complimenting other fanart, etc>finally feel confident enough to post a sfw fanart even though I fuck it up at first because the site is weird>check back today>end up get downvoted to hell, someone comments "this fucking sucks" and "this is weird">delete the post and want to dieI hate this shit. I honestly don't know what to do anymore
>>5124302take a break from your work
>>5124665I already deleted the art
>>5124573Thank you very much.
>>5124677I want to get better fast so I think I should focus all my energy on studying perspective and drawing simple things from reference (i watch a lot of Feng Zhu's videos) but I really want to create things that are in my head but I'm scared that they will turn out terrible and slow my progress. I worry so much about this shit ;___;.
>>5124590you're not alone anon. also fuck those people. people will shit if it's good or bad, they're just venting on you.
>>5123484Sometimes when I show people my art or just tell them I'm an artist, I hear "Oh, that's nice, As long as you're monetizing it, it's alright, I guess." or something of this sort. As if it must make money with it otherwise it's pointless.Wtf is it so hard to comprehend that it's possible to make art for fun?
I hoarded many mega art courses and I still haven't watched anyeach video is >1h long what the fuck, how am I supposed to watch all of them
>>5125047I did the math going through my resolutions before the year started when deducing how much courses I could do in a year and the realization was NOT A LOT.Some courses range from 8 to 10 weeks long. If you have a full time job there is no way you can do more than 2 and even that's pushing it. But okay, lets say you do 2 courses at once (I don't recommend)--it will take you 2 months to finish. Per year is about 20 to 24 courses if you take 2 at a time.1 course requires at least 8 to 10 hours of commitment. So if take 2 courses that's 20 hours. HOWEVER if you are doing figure drawing that number jumps to 20 hours alone from the volume of homework the courses recommend. It's basically impossible to clear through a decent anatomy course in 2 months time if you work full time (which is a huge chunk of the timetable). Yes, the mega resource is highly useful. But it's also a trap just waiting for /beg/s to lap up. You have so much information but you do not equate the time it takes to just finish one course from start to finish. That's why I really don't care about going through that 1TB or 2TB floating around. I have what I need for the time being.
>>5125047this is why I love books!
>>5124704>>5124677I wish I could tell you to just draw what you want and enjoy it even if it's not perfect, but that would make me one hell of a hypocrite. Hopefully you'll get to that place soon, then you can help me out.Practicing fundie stuff is a safe bet. Just throw on something to listen to and practice some simple stuff. The main goal here is just to develop habit and meet your promise, but if you practice something like perspective, it will pay off when you move on. That's what makes fundies after all.If you want to just try drawing what's in your head, go nuts. Do it long enough (while taking note of what to improve) and you're bound to get better. Just don't force yourself to do it if it's making you miserable. If it makes you feel like shit the first few times, go back to simpler stuff while working through why it made you miserable. Otherwise you'll just crash, and any other form of practice, however inefficient, is preferable to that.
>>5125087This assumes you’re gonna use it all, you’re not supposed to. There’s many many approaches to the same thing in there, there’s like hundreds of GB of figure drawing, hundreds of GB for anatomy. You don’t walk into a library and think “what’s the point, I could never read all of this shit”. Of course you couldn’t. Nonetheless it would still benefit you to own a library. I recommend the 10 dollar megatax to store it. Worth it for me
>>5125047Watch it instead of Netflix series #254850. You have tons of time, you just prefer using it on other shit. Assuming you don’t work 80 hour weeks
>>5124590pics or it didnt happen
>>5125172Thank you anon. Your message means a lot. I will keep focusing on fundies and sqeeze some stuff from my sick head from time to time even if it will be awful. Maybe it will even help with my mental state. I wish you the best whoever you are and good luck. Maybe we will both make it.
>>5124302Block those sites
I can only translate a few pages today, since I have other responsibilities. I think I need to do at least 7-8 pages to finish in 22 days.Does anyone know how good "Anatomy Drawing Class" by Rockhe Kim is? I'm thinking of setting my sights on that book next month.
>>5125515Please post if you translate it that would be huge, that book is recommended all the time
>>5125518Im going through Kim's book right now and it seems to be under 400 pages. It make take 2.5 months for me to translate in a realistic timeframe. Maybe 3.If I do finish it, I'll post it here or That Place Which Shall Not Be Named.
>>5125346What program can I use if I want to block those sites?
>>5125528Not the anon you asked, but check to see if your internet router/modem has parental controls, and then add those sites to the list of blocked/banned places.
>>5125526which part on the place that shall not be named? I have one that’s partially translated some anon made, can share if it will make life any easier.
>>5125533I dont know if the "learnart" page allows scanned resources, so I'll have to find a place that encourages buccaneers.I'll probably post it here first if it becomes too much trouble. A partially translated source would be very helpful, but dont feel like you have to upload it if its too difficult! I appreciate your encouragement, anon.
>see an artist I like does streams when drawing>check it out thinking maybe it'll clue me into their process or way of thinking>they literally start with the final contours every single time with zero foundationEVERY SINGLE TIME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>Still an hour and 20 minutes to go before work is doneI WANT TO DRAW AAAHHHH
>>5123484I'm a parasite on everyone around me. No one enjoys my company. I bring no value to the world. I am worth nothing. I have no future. My past is irredeemable. I am incredibly ugly and stupid. My existence as a sad sack of shit is pitiful. I want to be left alone, forever.
Sometimes I just remember that I'm a ngmi and feel sadMy art has this distinctive shittiness to it
>>5126177>I'm a ngmiWhy?>My art has this distinctive shittiness to itWell, you're not doing yourself any favors with that mindset
>>5123484I follow someone on insta I knew from school, their art just pisses me off and I don't know whether I should unfollow them or I'm just being petty. The things that annoy me are how lazy their character designs are, followed by their virtue signaling post and a load of hashtags saying #disneyartist #pixarartist #netflixanimation... and pretty much listing every animation studio out there. Trying to promote yourself is fine but it just seems so shameless, as well as their work hasn't improved at all.
Every time I'm lurking art twitter:>Soulful, promising, yet flawed in almost every way - Underage>Beautiful, near-master tier finished art, peak soul sketches - Early 20's>Dog shit, barely out of /beg/ art, soulless, zero audience - Late 20's/Early 30'sWhy is this?Has anyone in the bottom camp ever made it out?
Sometimes I draw something and it's good, sometimes I draw something and it's really really bad. I don't know why.
How do you make characters look appealing? I'm so frustrated because every character I fucking make is so ugly and it just kills my soul, I try all the fucking guides and tutorials, I draw things for fun and it just frustrates me because I'm apparently supposed to know intuitively how to make good looking characters or whatever. I hate that nothing i make looks good except for stupid landscapes and Xerox-tier portraits. It's so stupid. And then I see people making characters that look actually decent and in proportion and obviously done with care, and I see my page and it's all full of ugly scribbles that drive home how I have no talent for design and how after a year I'm still stuck doing ugly sketches and I just want to toss my things in the garbage. I don't get it at all. Sorry for sounding like such a defeatist
>>5126286How long have you been drawing and if you post your work I will give some genuine critique
>>5126200I try and improve, but in the end, I still don't have an eye for form, appealing shapes, etc. I can't get things right the first time; I need to pour hours into a piece to hammer out errors, and many remain. Due to that, my art is also stiff.I know it's an unproductive mindset. I'm just frustrated, remarkably frustrated.
>>5126385>I’m just frustrated, remarkably frustrated.I understand that; I get that way myself sometimes. It was talked about earlier in this thread, but have you ever tried to simplify what you want out of your drawings? I’m not saying you have to not care about getting better - and by putting in the effort (whether you see it or not in the present moment) you will get better - but maybe setting realistic goals for yourself from drawing to drawing would help your perfectionism/hyper-critical mindset. You can still work on feeling the form, making appealing shapes, etc., but do it through simple short-term goals (like drawing x many figures, drawing for x amount of time, etc.)
Drawing for like 7 to 8 hours a day aiming for 10 12, no friends, no social mediaMy wrists hurt at the end of the dayI feel like i'm slowly improving each week taking notes about my own art and watching the courses while iterating between studies and imagination I'm a NEET and i only have this year to make it with all the free time or i'll be forced to wagecuck not that i'm doing that solely for money, i really love to draw but sometimes i go very hard on myself but i think that it will be worth at the end.
>>5126690sounds like you're on the right path, anon. Ganbatte
Here's your blackpill of the day when it comes to art. There are too many artists and globalization has weakened an artist's ability to compete. Digital art is a career that kids are exposed to early on in their exploration of the internet and social media. Along with youtubers, influencers, musicians, and athletes, being an artist appeals to the adolescent ego. You get to put your ideas directly into other peoples heads. And everyone inherently thinks their ideas are good. Once you attain some skill and good ideas you think that is it, but there is still the challenge of marketing and competing for attention and money from a very small amount of people that actually fund art. A few fans who buy prints every now and then will not sustain you. You need to build a personality, a cult. And there are too many personalities. You are basically competing for your personal cult to become popular. But are you fulfilling the consumers needs?
>>5126808redpill: there are no blackpills
>>5126812Art will remain highly undervalued until we reach a post scarcity economy.
>>5123484Sounds cliche as fuck but how the fuck do you draw hands? I can't fucking imagine this as a 3d shape. Ethan becker's triangle method turns my hands into a mess of two dimensional triangles. This shit is easily one of the hardest things to draw.
>>5126286you should probably reference a lot more, nobody just makes up characters out of thin air
>>5126830Palm = rectangular prism Fingers = 3 cylinders on top of one another
my parents are begging me to stay neet just because I would collect more on unemployment than actually working atm. Guess I can squeeze being a neet until at least the end of March.
if I copy my favorite artist's drawings 16 hours a day everyday then I will become good like them right?
>>5126690>My wrists hurt at the end of the dayYou are overworking yourself and need to take breaks. 7-8 hours is a lot, but even wage slaves get a 30 minute lunch break and 15 min breaks. At the end of your drawing sessions you should be doing some stretches tooI understand being gung-ho about studying drawing but it's probably best to study seriously for a few hours a day instead of 8-12 and permanently fucking up your wrists so you get in 0 hours of drawing
Stock up on water, bros. Something in my gut is telling me in the coming week shelves will be empty.
I see amazing artists with 1 or 2 likes on their art and I wonder how they keep going.
>>5126701anyone who posts here isn't on the right path
>>5123948Can you pyw? Curious to see what it would look like.
>>5127467Only if you’re an AmericanDisregard otherwise
I was doing ok but since rona has been around for so long, my job cut my hours by half temporarily (but no end date known right now) but I am considering drawing coom for commission bucksI'm panicking because I don't know how to get the coom bucks anymore, especially since I mostly stopped (but I don't get sfw commissions either). I used to do really well a several years ago, but I don't know if I can build an audience and shit again
I wish there was more critique now.No one seems to be replying to one another anymore.Now everyone posts a wip and fucks off.Wtf happened?
>>5127757I don't really feel like commenting the same shit on every begs art anymore.
>>5127757I used to give constructive critiques on some people's artworks on art discords but the artists ignored my replies but the emptiest praisesI decided to never give any critiques anymore but I will enable those artists to continue on the bad paths
>>5127757why bother critiquing anymore. whats in it for us? Not even appreciation. Rather just draw on my own at this point.
>an infamous YouTuber claims he will get banned off Twitter soon>randomly stumble upon his tweet attack Twitter itselfStarting to think this guy is a retard. Then he’ll make a video saying “I told you so guys, huuur” but all you need to do is stay out of the way and keep your head down or you find out when you play jaws of a lion.
I didn't draw yesterday. Wonder if I'll draw today.
>>5127757pornfags deserve no help.
>>5127757It is frustrating, even when people do get replies it's just anons asking for blogs for leaving compliments. I think writing about what you're struggling with when you post your work gives others more of an incentive to post helpful critique
>>5123484I do monthly commissions as my job, all very out-there NSFW stuff. It's gotten boring, repetitive, and nearly unbearable trying to do them. I've learned how to do certain things like crazy intense perspectives and female anatomy really well, but I'm lacking when it comes to texturing, backgrounds, and a few other things. But, I can't just stop work to practice those things, and no one's going out if their way to commission it. So I've plateaued there, for a year, and it sucks. I feel stuck.My SFW account has stuck at 660 followers for like, 4 years now, and my NSFW it nearly 10k since 11/2018, 7k+ in 2020 alone, it's so fuckin stupid man. Like, I guess my art is good enough, but it's not /that/ good, otherwise I'd see success on my SFW too. Whatever. Maybe I just need sleep. Just wanted to put this garbage feeling into words.
>no gf>mediocre drawing skills>no other skills other than drawing>motivation in the dumps>future looking very uncertain
why do i HAVE to double-check everything i do?why do i HAVE to write down notes from video courses in a very specific way otherwise it doesn't "feel right"?why do i HAVE to use specific brushes?why do i HAVE to use colors ONLY from the standard color set?why do i HAVE to use a grid to make sure my reference images are perfectly placed?why do i HAVE to CONSTANTLY reload my workspace?why am i OBSESSED with the number 5?why do i have to restart EVERY COURSE EVERY WEEK?
Im getting sick and tired of homosexuals invading every art community and turning it into their own. Its genuinely made me homophobic.
>>5127901as long as you keep drawing, you have a future.
>>5127884>Like, I guess my art is good enough, but it's not /that/ good, otherwise I'd see success on my SFW too.Content is more important than skill when it comes to gaining followers. People want something that can entertain them, or that is relatable. Coom art naturally has that because y'know, its porn, the intertainment comes from the hornyness and orgasms that can be had from it. With SFW tho, you gotta innovate a bit.
>>5127947Not the anon you were replying to, but everything makes sense to me now. I'm an idiot.
>>5127962Well wait, according to my timer it says I drew for an hour but I don’t have a file. All I did yesterday was scribble...but for an hour??
>>5123501based if true
>>5123501Why are grown men and women who look like they're in our age group huddled around a table with expressos and laptops discussing memes like it's some high school science project?
>jap posts his coquis sketches>it looks /beg/>"heh, mine could look bett--">his finished work/commission work looks proWhat's going on here exactly? Am I overthinking all of this?
>>5128075are you someone who says Vilppu's work is /beg/-tier too? There is skill in sketches that you have to learn to see.
>>5128082 No, I don’t disrespect lord Vilppu. On that topic I do have a disdain for the wishy washy gestures he and several art center teachers have been pushing in their instructional books. It definitely set me back in a way.
>>5127347I have several giant barrels of treated potable water saved in my garage for a earthquake emergencies so if this turns out to be true I'll be the water lord on my street. Nice.
I feel like I can't get actual advice on this board anymore or answers to my questions. I just get shitposts in every thread I make and ignored it the stupid question or beg threads
>>5128475good, now you can have a chance at leaving this place
>taken art seriously for around 11 years now>still /beg/-tier>going to be 30 this yeari keep going though. it hurts more with each passing year but i do it
I heard it was Portfolio day today so I checked out the tag, the majority of people all had pro tier skill concept or illustration or 3d art fresh out of college and actively looking for work. There's not enough room in the world no matter my skill, God i am so fucking NGMI
>>5123501>>5127975I know it's really weird.Like the whole thing seems really dramatic like they're discussing an imminent tipping point of society for the worseLike I imagine that this is how groups of the wealthy and influential of society throughout the ages gathered and talked as they began to witness the changing tides of the status quo.Fall of Rome, French Revolution, Bolshevik uprisings, that sort of thing.
>>5128567My bod, you're gonna make it
Tangentially related to art:I hate when twitter artists spam their timeline with self-care bullshit and other such complaints. "Oh, sorry I'm not posting 50 complete drawings a day like you expect me to, CHUD, I'm taking care of myself" "I don't need to draw for YOU, chud, I need my me time" You see a really cool image, look up the artist's social media stuff and for every drawing they post they post 90 complaints. I know it's ironic that I'm complaining about complaints on a complaint thread but when you follow more than 2 artists on twitter your timeline gets fucking FLOODED with this apologetic auto-exculpatory whore's shit. I'm not saying that artists don't have a right to air their frustrations on twitter, but some of them seem to do only that and they do it CONSTANTLY. Multiple posts a day about how "They ain't posting shit but you can't complain because I draw when I want not for you, hun" "Why I need to take time off twitter for mental health reasons: A thread (1/509)" "Sorry I haven't posted much, i've been really busy" he posts after making 80 tweets an hour.Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
>>5128610No one I follow talks like that.
What's the secret to gesture
>>5128673Look up animation action-analysis. That's what gesture is, It's action and body language.
I hate that I draw so fucking slowly. I'm afraid of how many half-baked WIPs will be sitting on my ipad by the time I finally die.>>5128610The thing that annoys me the most about this is that it's 99% the case that their pressure is self-imposed. I don't think I've ever seen someone online complain to an artist that they're not posting enough (outside of commission/patreon commitments).
>>5128610Follow asian artists only westerners talk like that Have to celebrate any tiny amount of effort
>>5127902You...might have OCD?
i cant stop feeling like there is just one simple thing out there that if i learned would fix everything wrong with me and my stunted ability to draw. i know its just me pushing my lack of ability onto made up shit, but its the closest thing to hope i have other than the seemingly impossible grind
>>5123484my art friends are super cool. love watchijg movies and drawing with them
I haven't posted anything for a week and still lost 8 followers
>>5128963Since you don't want to pyw ,then ask an art friend. There may me an error so very obvious that you might have overlook, a perspective from a different person might helps.If you don't have one, hire one of those fiverr hourly tutor instead. It's better than wandering aimlessly
I 0 clue how to gain followers on twitter. I've been posting about every other day. I know i'm not the best artist out there, let alone a good one, but I'd like to think people out there would like it. I'm not going to let this discourage me from drawing, i still very much enjoy it, and I'm excited to to see myself improve. it's just frustrating when I want to show my stuff to people who'd like it.
>>5129477>doesn’t post content>loses followers on a site based around posting content>wtf bros
>>5129602Think of it like a business. You need to alternate between marketing and actual work; you can't sell stuff to people that doesn't know that you exist. Draw meme artworks between your regular stuff to bait people into noticing you. Consider it as a small sacrifice to gain some traction
It's frustrating when you spend a long time on a piece you're proud of and get no response, but a "cosplayer" can do the bare basics in 5 mins but still get more followers/views/likes/rts etc. Or have mediocre art but a pretty face, so you instantly get more engagement (I'm thinking of that rddit post where the girl is holding up her fanart of Cavill Geralt)
I see what one of my fav artist looks like irl and it blew my expectations away into sub zero. Completely unexpected. He’s not hideous looking, just....doesn’t look like a typical artist.
>>5130011And it’s actually 2 people sharing one account.
>>5129740you are so pathetic
>>5130011Yeah it's odd seeing the face behind the art.Chrom did that 'face your art thing' on insta and man it looks like god made a perfectly normal looking dude but then decided to hit the 'eye-distance' scale up a few notches.
I get the impression a lot of you think that art is an altered state where your hand takes over and perfectly copies down your imagination.In reality, a single finished piece will encompass viewing the works of other artists, doing dozens -- maybe hundreds -- of thumbnails to find the right composition, studying references for the objects that will appear in your scene, doing smaller versions of a scene with fewer subjects and building up to more complexity, pushing the boundaries of your abilities by doing things that make you uncomfortable, having the balls to start over or salvage what you have, and so on.It's a process that, when undertaken, will give you some intuition about your tools and subject. The experience you have gained is what makes what you do look like magic to outside observers.Just draw.
didn't read that shit and don't care
All these jobs now saying $15/hr but that’s the new minimum wage. Imagine working 40 hours per week for the new equivalent of $8/hr so Silverstein can buy his new boat for the summer. Shits fucked. We ironically need a reset, without the bug eating.
>>5123501source of the show?
>>5130075you WILL eat bugs and you WILL have nothing and you WILL be thankful. Now clap. Pic related, it’s today
>>5130216Hell no. I'm buying up all the storable food that lasts 20 years and after it runs out I'm taking the bullet.
I just spent 100 dollars on a physical copy of the Vilppu Drawing Manual. Shits a collector item now. Limited copies. Fuck.
if i was fully asian maybe i'd be a good artistif i was fully white maybe i'd get some pussyinstead, i gotta suck at both
>>5130224bullets will be banned by then
>>5130025I think I look nothing like the art I make. I wonder what people would think but I'm not posting my face online.
>>5129602God I fucking hate social media.I fucking hate it so much, I fucking hate it. Not just in art but in everything, it's such a retarded piece of shit way to communicate or do literally anything but ads, all of this shit because it's good for marketers. I fucking hate social media so much. And now it's the new normal and you have to learn this stupid shit to exist and meet people who are also doing the same stupid shit and operate under 340203420234 layers of fake shit. How the fuck does one not go insane in this world.
>>5130906samei long for the days of forums and picking out new avatars every month
>>5130913But why does nobody actually give a fuck about alternatives? Do people really not give a fuck about actually socializing, meeting people for reasons other than shilling each other? I am sure there must be people who don't want to treat this shit like a business, which is what social media is for, it's actually about business, it should be called "marketing platform" or shit like that. Of course there are people who are unhappy or dissatisfied and they get replies like "you dummy why aren't you treating this like a business?" and they are right, but fuck's sake there must be a thought it people's heads that goes "maybe trying to be a human being on a business oriented platform is retarded? Maybe I should separate the two things?" Nope, everyone acts like this now and IRL too it's a fucking nightmare
>>5130011What is a typical artist? Internet people always look grungier on average. You'll get better-looking people if you frequent art spaces irl. Especially if those places have more money.
>>5130025>>5130011damn niggas, just say they're uglyyou're harsh about bad work, say something about bad faces
>>5129602Talk to other people in art and non-art related spaces. Seriously. Be social.I barely draw and I have 25 permanent followers who are not bots. I have not posted original content in a year and they still drop in and like my posts because they like speaking to me.Failing that, jump on community art challenges (read: memes) and whatever goofy trending tag that strikes your fancy. Stay away from all political commentary unless you want schizos on your watch list.Commenting on pop culture like music, video games and other effluvia is fairly safe, however.
>>5130992>Talk to other people in art and non-art related spaces. Seriously. Be social.What if you detest most of the people you meet online?
>>5131008so I make fake friends?
damn dude, why can't futas be real. i'm ready to suck a girl cock
My vent is I'm lazy but wanna be better at drawing desu
>>5131112damn dude never heard that one before
>>5130999Then work on yourself, because usually hating everyone means you hate the man in the mirror.
>>5127347Yup, it’s coming. I knew it.
i kinda drew today
I don't see the point in posting art anymore. In a way this is good because I really am making art for myself but I know that something's missing. I just finish drawings or paintings and put them in a folder. I don't want to dump them online because then they become just a thing to get attention or likes. I have also grown jealous of my work and I draw whatever I want however I want and I am the only arbiter of it. I am not sure if I like it.
>>5131236I’m kinda the same way. I just post to myself and in doing so I’m building up some kind of affection of “enjoying the process without attention”. I used to post to forums and smaller communities and tried to 1-up other users who posted their stuff. But I always felt something was missing. Also the peer pressure. People will tell me to stop doing something even though I know I will help. The moment I started keeping to myself is when I started improving more with a clearer direction.
I'm so fucking tired.I had planned on drawing when I got home, but all i want to do is go to bed. I don't even have the energy to make a meal.Fuck this gay earth. I wish I was born into a rich family so I could leech off them and just focus on art
>mom is going to sell the house>I'm an adult and can't leech off anymore>no car, no driver's license>no money, jobless, poor family>no friends or girlfriend>no skill at anything, unfit to join the military>a-atleast my art has been improvingThat is it, there's nothing past this.
>>5131353your family can't help you anymore?
I really want to make a game or something using my art but I fucking HATE drawing digitally. Despite all the tools given to me it never looks anything like I want it to. Working with pencil, ink, and watercolor just comes so much more naturally. Sometimes I'll make mistakes and it'll suck that I can't fix them but overall it'll still look more appealing. I don't know why I can't into digital
>>5131369time to get a screen display!
>>5131369fixed resolution, thats the secret.
>>5131353>My vent is I'm lazy but wanna be better at drawing desutime for you to realize that art is for the rich
>>5123484> Dude, just plop 3D objects onto your drawing and call it a day, backgrounds are suppose to look fake and artificialWhy do non-artists think they can give advice?
>>5127467These goobers believe that known neoliberal hack Joe Biden is going to destroy american society for china's benefit. Ignore them unless you also have brain damage.
>>5130216Man the intro to that vid pissed me off so much I thought it was satire or alt right propaganda at first.Jesus christ.Then I realised that it's essentially what steam, netflix and just about any other subscription service offers.Fuck.
>>5131072Futacontractor is a chick that got her clit turned into a penisI'm sure that there are others out there.
>>5130052If I knew how to "just draw," I wouldn't be here. I have no intuition at all when it comes to drawing, and I don't understand any of the fundamentals. Some of them sort of make sense in a vacuum, but I don't know how they're supposed to actually help me create a drawing, or how to tie them together into a coherent process. "Drawings are made of lines" and "lines go on edges" is pretty much the complete sum of my knowledge of drawing, and I'm not confident I'm right about even those things.
>>5131374I'm not sure what you mean
I don't know what direction I want to go in anymore with my art. I feel so lost and confused that I end up not creating at all.chelp
>>5125047you make time
>>5123501Fuck tarrant and fuck /pol/You fags.You literal niggersYou baffonsBecause of you 8chug had to die
>>5131353you deserve your place in life
dp with friends was super fun, its nice to hear and learn about things that i never really put much thought into/dismissed.ive also had my eyes opened to just how little talent really means compared to a disgusting amount of effort, passion and willingness to 'grind'.the people i have in mind have so much insane dedication that it rubs off on me, so much so that ive been clocking in triple my usual drawing hours. what a fucking aura, dude.man i cant wait to draw with them again>>5128673mike mattesi teaches gesture n flow very well, check him out>>5130821shut the fuck up. stop coping with this race-talent bullshit. gtfo of here with this weird ass excuse. put in the work and start learning. people like you are pathetic. just draw. you will make it. just draw.>>5131550youre missing his point - just put pen to tablet and just draw. learning how to tie all of the fundamentals and create a good picture is something you can only accomplish by making those shitty drawings right nowwatch the feng zhu video>>5131179nice cubes! do more>>5128507youre seeing hypertalented kids who absolutely nolife the grind. keep the up the grind and youll make it too. your improvement is proportional to your passion and will to suffer>>5131269sorry to hear that. hope you find the energy to draw>>5130999be friends with the ones you like then? no1 is forcing u to interact with those guys
>>5131761Stop being American
i always feel lost and scared i'm wasting my time. my end goal is to draw cool dudes and sexy anime waifus(maybe coom), but i'm not sure if i'm on the right path. i'm currently reading hamptons figure drawing book, so i guess i'll see how it goes from there.
>>5131787you literally cant waste time doing art. keep at it bro
>>5131251Yeah but I ask myself what I am doing this for.Also I am stagnating and I draw the same stuff all the time. I feel like this is deeply unhealthy because this is a huge part of me and I'm keeping it under lock and key while I interact with people at surface level. Even on 4chan I take a look around and think "why bother doing anything" and most of the time I don't even post because it's not worth solving a captcha.Just rationally I'm losing motivation and hope.
>>5131773im not american. stop being a pussy and draw
>>5131353Kill your mom anon
>>5131550Have you ever heard the phrase "fake it until you make it"? It's actually sage advice that people overlook because of how mundane they perceive it to be, or perhaps because they don't know what it is telling them.Pretend to be an artist until you are. Trace over something that you find visually interesting and then start coloring it in, mimicking every detail. Overlay a grid, if needed. None of this is cheating at this point, you're getting a handle on things. Work on things in the distance and then move towards the viewer, building up layers. This will help you learn your medium better without having to also find a subject, composition, color palette, etc. All of the decisions are made for you, you just have to replicate it to the best of your ability. Will this teach you to draw from imagination? Probably not. But if you haven't even played the role of copier successfully, then that's something to really ponder, wouldn't you think? "Can I be successful when everything is planned for me and I carefully and patiently approach this problem?" Once you have confirmed the answer is "yes", *you* can become the planner for your paintings.Everybody I know who is successful in their chosen field has told me that when they were a kid they would approximate this strategy more or less. Computer programming? They'd download someone else's code and build on top of it, picking it apart and figuring out which pieces were vital. It gave them an intuition for how programs were built. Chef? Learning to cook a diner-style breakfast or imitate a fast food menu item turns into a job at a 5 star hotel. Now they come up with dishes that have never been seen before. Most adults getting into a hobby want to fast forward through the "cheating" stage. Kids are more likely to "cheat" out of desperation. In the case of my programmer friend, he had to see his idea come to life *at all costs*. He was willing to copy code to have shoulders to stand on and see his idea finished.
>>5123501seconding >>5130198what's the source?
>>5131353If your mom owns a house to sell you’re nowhere near as broke as you think you are you pathetic worm
>>5131550Make a comic. Pretend to build a world and illustrate it. Make concept designs for your comic. Write scripts for your comic. Pretend to be a pro and stream yourself drawing your comic until you get into the habit. At least that’s what I’m doing.
>>5130216Purchase your food through kosher supermarkets. Problem solved.
I actually held a conversation with a Lyft driver...that felt refreshing. We were talking about politics. Unfortunately he didn’t share my views but that’s okay.
ok, kind of a weird vent, but I think people here would be the most likely to understand.I come from /aco/ (yeah, yeah, bear with me), and there's a tracer in the commission threads.Not only does he sells traces as commissions, he *brags* about it. He's an infuriating troll and the mods won't do anything about it.Pic related, his latest "work" is a cutesexyrobutt trace
>>5132528forgot the pic like an idiot
>>5123484Ive never had more than 20 followers
>>5132528>there is yet another tracer who makes money, brags about it and nobody can stop himWelcome to porn art in the current yearNormies don't care.
>>5132528>>5132563your shit isn't art to begin with
Pretty much everything I've ever been afraid of has happened and continues to happen.I am stuck in limbo and there's no way forward.
>>5132528>>5132539Seethes enough to post back in ic. I am rent free in his mind.
I need to find an art community without cumbrains or I'll go insaneI am so tired of being isolated and dealing with porn addicted normalfags
>>5132715if you have discord we can be art frensI feel the same way
>>5132730I don't want anything to do with people from here
I am so incredibly creativity bankrupt.Bought some linoleum, a few carving tools and sharpening kit. But I have zero ideas of what to make with it. It's been days of sketching quick garbage, watching linocut videos and scrolling through instagram and I can't come up with anything.Doesn't help that the only things I draw are pencil portraits using (only reference) and I like to do oil painting portraits (using tracing and reference because I'm not good enough on nailing proportions).
>>5132596I'd rather suck on my own than tracing someone miles better than me and still making shit work.
>>5132806You are a whore, the method by which you draw your virtual blowjobs doesn't matter
>>5132856why haven't you posted your work yet?
>>5132869I don't show my work to human trash.
>>5132876no work posted = no right to complainstay mad, retard
>>5132878I am not complaining I am telling you that you are a whore and your work is not art, so it doesn't matter if the better whore uses whatever shortcut you're being assblasted about to rape someone's intellectual property and satisfy his clients.Do you understand? I am explaining things to you.
>>5132887don't carepost your work first
I'm okay at drawing, but it's so rare i feel compelled to draw anything. Why and how? And how do i fix it?I wanna enjoy drawing and do it to relax like others do, but right now i can't do anything to relax
>>5132907I don't show my work to whores and trash, you can cope as much as much want about it
>>5132957>still not posting workngmi
>>5132964I have images blocked on this boardand you're still nothing but a whoreand you're copingnow go back to gobbling cocks on /aco/
>been going on and off with drawing for the past 5 years>haven't been online on my art profiles for 2 yearsngmi...
>>5130075art fags will never care about your working-class gripes
>>5123484how the hell do people draw small/detail?I can do the bigger things/shapes perfectly but the second I need to draw in detail my hand loses all fucking control
>>5132966>still no work posted>Implying
I lost the steam to draw. Maybe I should just watch a few movies.
>>5133109maybe you should draw if you have no steam to draw.
>>5133121i'm not being an ass about itjust draw
can somebody please be my art friendI am alone
>>5133139Give me a discord or throwaway mail or something, I'll add you. I am in dire need of an art friend, too.
>>5133184Alright. I'll add you when I get home : - )
Making artwork helps curb my depression but I'm too depressed to work on art.
>>5132926Make drawing a habit by drawing every day, even if just a bit. Doing that wont lead to huge waves of inspiration, but it will make you feel more compelled to draw. A good book for learning how to do this is Atomic Habits.Also important: draw what you want/like to draw. Forcing yourself to work on something you dont enjoy kills motivation really fast.
I'm afraid to get started on my first commission.
>>5133006zoom in and draw your details as if you draw big shapes you dummy
getting good at perspective and drawing things in it is actually pretty good on the egofeels cathartic to be able to draw something technically right even if its not really art
>>5132528good for him
>>5131761>shut the fuck up. stop coping with this race-talent bullshit. gtfo of here with this weird ass excuse. put in the work and start learning. people like you are pathetic. just draw. you will make it. just draw.what if i want pussy though
>>5131761>stop coping with this race-talent bullshit>youre seeing hypertalented kidsSo you are admiting that talent is real
>>5133505Do simple art request on drawthreads to get you mind into the zone.Protip : avoid /v/ drawthread
>>5124280Depends how well you are at coping
There is such an overwhelming amount of stuff to learn that it is starting to demotivate me
I'm a dirty pervert.
>>5133822im using a sketchbook rn so can't zoom in out sadly, gonna buy a tablet after I go through the whole thing as a "reward"
>>5134162Look at it this way: You'll have something to do for the next 40 years. No more boredom!
>>5123484>Be sure to not being on autopilot bro>be sure to learn something from each practice session bro>be sure to practice x hours a day bro>be sur to do x drawings a day bro>be sure to not just copying without understandanding bro>be sure to enjoy each step of your journey broIt's so overwhelming,I feel like the only time I have fun/get in a sort of zone is when I don't care much about all of that and just focus on "is my perspective good?are my values correct?"etc...
My artstyle won't fucking change. I don't know what brushes to use for lineart and I don't know how to do certain lines. My lines end up being really curved. It's hard to explain. I don't even know how to put my problem into words so this is just a rant at thin air.
>>5126286Post your work and we can tell you exactly whats wrong.
>>5128475If you're asking stupid fucking question that anyone with a brain and anyone who's been drawing for longer then 3 months can figure out, then of course you're not getting answers. Also anyone who is even a little equipped to give advice has long left this board. Between the /beg/s constantly asking the same question to then not implement the advice into their work, The anime fags not doing proper studies and just copying/tracing their favorite coomer artist and the amazing amount of antagonistic faggots lurking around every corner to sperg out about the most inconsequential thing; No here has the energy to deal with the amount of negativity that this board throws in the direction of people who try to help. Guarantee you someone is going to read this and call me and anyone else a faggot for not offering their time to this board. Majority of people here don't deserve help.
>Try to do something cool on drawing>Fuck it up>Try to fix it >Fuck it up more>Be tradfag so there's no going backI drew it once so I can draw it again, but man it's kind of annoying...and a waste of perfectly good materials. I pick the worst times to experiment.
I am seriously way, way too autistic with brushes. I can never decide which one to pick from and I can't manage to stick to one for even a second. Hell in the middle of doodling I'll just swap between brushes constantly. I honestly think it's one of the reaons why I'm suffering from a 'digital' art block right now; none of these damn brushes feel right or 'look' right, and I always want to play with something different. Advice?
>>5133970it does. race talent does not. pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work for the level you sant to attain
>>5130023-Said the clinically depressed "cosplayer" roastie.-
>>5134211Post just the curves, you don't need to pyw
>>5134250It's not a waste if you learned something from it. It's a waste if you repeat the same mistake again
>>5131353Just join the army if your legitimately going to be homeless.
>>5132741Then stop complaining here then nigger.
>you can import pedoshop brushes into CSP nowWhy the FUCK didn't anyone tell me this???? Now I can cancel my photoshop sub forev---wait I still need it for adobe spark...but STILL what the hell man.
>>5134430Oh and liquify.
>>5134404I have to let you know how much I hate you
>>5132189We're going to have to make goyim wear some sort of tag so they can't cheat the system like this.
>>5134439If 'they' do that then then maybe people will finally start waking up. I'm pretty sure when vaccination IDs are pushed, you'll have the option to record sate your religion. Make damn sure you put Judaism so this doesn't remove you from shopping for kosher goods.
Doorjew and Uber Chests keeps increasing their prices. Delivery fee for the fucking IHOP literally less than not even 1 mile from my apartment is $6. You can go fuck yourselves I will go walk there and get some exercise while saving myself the unnecessary charges plus the tip so the driver doesn’t either spit in my food or sample some of it, giving me hepatitis or COVID of all things.
I draw infinitely better when I'm alone, so yes it most definitely has to be.
>>5134910Well, I mean, if you have nobody to see what you’re doing then of course you’d believe that.
>>5134367Thanks, anon. That makes me feel a lot better.
>post my art>gets one or two replies at most>nobody asks for my blogi rarely get people actually shitting on it. im just good enough to not be /beg/, but not nearly good enough to be noteworthy in any way
>>5135239You want (you)'s, are you at least drawing coom?
>>5134273How comes the amount of asians with talent are disproportionate while there is not a single pajeet with any talent? Seems to me there are clear indicators of race talent.
>>5132539the trace is so much worse it hurts
>>5135309I've never really thought about it before, but the amount of people who have NGMI'd themselves as a result of ingesting copious amounts of /pol/ race science is pretty sad.Just learn, pay attention to the dimensions of objects, and draw, anon.
My non-drawing hand hurts like a bitch.All my knuckles and fingertips hurt.Still have full flexibility but I don't want to move them from the pain
We're not even near done with January and stores are already shilling for valentines day. Calm down man.
I actually liked today's drawing :)
>>5135325This doesn't even get to happen if you have talent
>>5135239This board isn't for sharing your art for replies and likes, it's for critique. Who cares if no one asks for your blog? Blogposting is a scourge on this board
>friends are about to start a new campaign today >start feeling depressed about art and not making it to my goals and thats leading to more depression>don't want to let down my friends by not going
I'm /beg/ and I don't understand perspective and whenever I try do anything more complicated than a standing post it turns out all kinds of fucked up and wonky and it throws the proportions off and all kinds of shit.I've tried but simple perspective for figures just doesn't click for me. Maybe the first thing I need to do is just put a line across the page so I know where the camera/eye level is.Anyway, time for bed.>>5135956It wasn't even the new year here in Aus and the stores already had Easter shit out. Like what the fuck man.
>>5136064No. It's not about having talent. It's about not understanding that work has to happen. The people who are susceptible to this sort of race-baiting are letting the negative feedback of learning get in the way of their desire to learn. As a result, they figure that everyone else is simply "talented" because they seemingly don't suffer from the pressure of learning or learn more quickly, when in reality the reasons for that are varied, ranging from having more time to draw, to having the resources to hire better teachers, to living in a society that is more willing to foster early artistic interest, to simply liking the process more than you and thus being more willing to put up with the negative feedback loop of initial ineptitude.The "THE ONLY THING STOPPING YOU IS YOU" mentality is a meme, but so are asian jeans and """"talent"""" and other similar things for the most part. The reasons why some people learn faster and easier than others are myriad and complex, and can't simply be boiled down to your "race." Anyone serious about genetics would know that it isn't even that simple anyway, and that there are high amounts of individual variance within "racial" populations. People here see asians as the best artists because they like asian art and expose themselves to more of it as a result. That's it. It has nothing to do with being "asian," and anyone can apply themselves will be capable of doing what they do.If anything, that's the biggest irony of all. Lots of asian cultures put a big emphasis on the consistent application of time in order to learn a skill. That's how "they" become good at things. No one here wants to do that, they just want to whine about how if they were asian they wouldn't be NGMI.
>>5135956COVID fucked the market a lot, no surprise store owners are getting desperate for any way to get profits.
>>5135309because asian countries have the infrastructure for proper art education in the west its still gatekept by wealth and shitty cultural movements
I hope COVID fucks this gay earth even further
>>5136152Wear a mask for another 100 days. And when the 100 days are over just wear it because it’s the law. Stay 6 feet apart. It’s mandatory to have the 6 feet apart app so others know that if your phone beeps you aren’t social distancing by law. No human interaction. Eat the mealworms and drink the roach milk to save humanity. You will work remotely and be happy your wage is the same as a Mac Donald’s worker while your landlord raises your rent. Why bother? Quit and let daddy pay for you to collect UBI and social benefits if you give up your internet history so we know you aren’t part of the resistance of terrorism.
>>5136093That's a lot of words just to say talent is real. Having talent is the difference between spending 15+ years to be mediocre and becoming high pro in 2 years or less which happens a lot in asian countries for magical reasons. I still wonder why you people constantly deny this fact despite all the proof of this and many cases piling up every other day.
I have hit the hardest art block ive ever had in my life. It's been a full month now and i still just cant draw. I got no ideas in me and whenever i try to translate anything to canvas it just..doesnt. my comfort zone is just drawing abstract landscapes but i cant do even that anymore. Im so burnt out and its not going away at all
>>5136168It's getting hard not to overdose on blackpills during these covid days.
it would be pretty kino if America collapses in the following days
>>5136206>That's a lot of words just to say talent is real.If you read that entire post and this is your only takeaway, then no one will be able to help you learn to draw.>Having talent is the difference between spending 15+ years to be mediocre and becoming high pro in 2 years or less which happens a lot in asian countries for magical reasons.Or for literally any of the other reasons I mentioned above, like having better teachers, or a more art-friendly society, or drawing instead of crying about how you can't draw on /ic/.This isn't some kind of gatcha game. Stop sitting there sighing about how you didn't get the mystical asian jeans five-star pull so that you could have a better chance of being a good artist. You wanna know how you can better your chances at becoming a good artist, right now, within your current life circumstances? Spend more time drawing and less time wishing you were asian.The "shut up and study" mindset brings good art, that's the "true" asian "secret." You know what your mindset brings? Laughter in your direction from skilled posters both asian and not who know how the sausage is actually made.
>trying to draw more realistic catgirl for fun>trying to figure out how to draw whiskers without it looking like she has a stash>realize all cats have mustachesyea I know I could do a cop out and have them growing out of her cheeks, but I just feel silly for not realizing how much it looks like cats have mustaches before