>just trace designdoll, it's not like anyone can tel-
>>5318443Perma /beg/s trace poorly, hacks trace "properly".
>>5318443design doll is just good enough to reference perspective at best.
>>5318484based gesture chad
>>5318443/beg/ vs non /beg/
>>5318554Thing is. However made that could also do it without the model and almost surely has made similar works without a model. They're using it to speed up what they already know rather as opposed to using it like a get rich quick scheme.
>>5318562Yes, and that's why it looks like shit when begs use 3d models, you can easy tell the lack of flow and energy in the images.
>>5318562>Thing is. However made that could also do it without the modelNot the point. End of story, it's not the tool, it's the skill and result the final product looks like that matters.You wouldn't even give a shit about OP's image if it wasn't /beg/ dogshit in the first place.
>>5318572That is absolutely the point because if they lacked that ability to do that it would show. The entire point is that you can't use models as a shortcut only to speed up your workflow.
>5318578>That is absolutely the point because if they lacked that ability to do that it would show.No one cares if you use references. If your art is hot people like it, and OP isn't hot.
>>5318580that's not what this is about though. By all means use reference to learn or for your completed hobbyist or pro pieces. The issue isn't any arbitrary measure of fairness of "cheating". Rather the that tracing over stuff can ever be a substitute for the actual knowledge required.
>>5318582idea that*Fucking phone.
>>5318582I highly doubt this thread was about " don't skip the fundies bro" if you weren't the one that made the thread yourself and used shitposting lingo to hide your true motives. People that make OP just hates tracing from references in the first place, equaling both are bad and only imagination (which is just a cope buzzword) is good.
>>5318587Who cares op just wanted to laugh kek
>>5318559/thread
>if you dont get out of /beg/ tracing 3d models in less than 100 pieces, you will never get out.>if you cant construct bodies better than /beg/ without 3d models after 100 pieces, your lack imagination, you will never get out.>if you trace 3d models seeking "perfect anatomy" and you cant risk that with stylization because "is not good bro" your work will never succeed in any place.yes, i believe using 3d models isnt bad. but you shouldnt attach to it, think about it like training wheels, you habe ti remove them as soon as possible so you learn to ride the bike.
>>5318443it's irrelevant, tracing is always obvious even when done by someone who knows what he's doing
my try
>>5318761looks ok, just add a bit more line weight
>>5318767no its not
>>5318761Nice>>5318767>t. Tracer
>>5318761Sugoi for a quick sketch
>>5318767basado
>>5318443you can actually trace from Design Doll, but that doesn't mean you don't need to know anatomy, retard.
>>5318670Yeah, and how would you know? How do you know that tracing ISN'T always obvious, and you're simply noticing the obvious cases of tracing, even by supposedly skilled tracers?
>>5318761I wonder if these dolls a responsible for that anime knee tumor you always see. This is alright as a whole but that knee is too much. Of course it's a cartoon drawing but some stylings just feel off, that knee simplification is one of them.
>>5318761You should try tracing Design Doll
>>5318554>that broken-ass hand
>>5318761You're already pretty used to tracing 3d models, aren't you, arma?
>>5318443I trace designdoll and nobody can tell because I was working with 3d animation for 2 years so I can pose really well and I draw with wonky lines at the sketch phase so the final product looks nothing like the model
>>5318554I actually don't understand why anyone would need to do that in the first place though. If you already have a decent enough sense of form and perspective, and can draw well enough to make a 3D model trace not look like shit, wouldn't it be faster to just bang out a "mannequin" and draw over that instead of having to painstakingly pose shit in a 3D modeling program and then trace over it? Not to mention that you're filtering your idea through two entirely different processes, and you have to be at least somewhat competent at both for it to work with any degree of success. If you're shit at drawing, or shit at posing a 3D model naturally (and if you're shit at the former you're most likely going to be shit at the latter, for that matter) your end product is going to be awkward and bad.I just don't get the point of using something like designdoll at all.
>>5318871lol
>>5319027It's faster. If it's for a commission it's likely just faster instead of on your own downtime.
>>5319032Laugh at it and you don't need to face it, huh?
>>5319042Oh. I hate this.
>>5319042This guy has such incredibly shit taste it's not even funny. No wonder the concept art industry is so fucking soulless.
>>5319142>concept artist>good tastePick one
most artists today are so fucking useless, look at the kind of people they look up toThis motherfucker is really charging 20 bucks for critiques when they cant even draw themselves... https://twitter.com/FTWStudios99/status/1379533612538859523?s=20
>>5319162>20k followers
>>5319162T./beg/ crab
>>5319162>20k followers all this point it's your own fucking fault you're not popular on social media
>>5318562>>5319027Because they don't actually have a decent understanding of form and perspective. Here's what that artist's work looks like when they don't trace
>>5319217I bet he posted "wow I'm an artist and that is relatable!" comic at some point that got 30k likes
>>5319219Now post ur work
>>5319224i dont need to
>>5319219Shit>>5319217Pretty decent, the face need some work though.
Weak bait
>>5319219>generic moe shit #11413153Shit, no wonder the fucker has to trace.
>>5319162>>5319217i gotta know the type of person to pay $20 dollars for a critique from this man
>>5319228Are you retarded or just a massive beg?>>5319219 is clearly better than >>5319217.
>>5318559how is this bait? hes just making fun of the tracer anon
>>531857hahahah he even traced the knee circle hows that showing any abilty?
>>5319050Face my laughLOL
>>5319217he's been on there since 2014. It's just a slow accumulation. He's not even that bad but desu I wouldn't ask him for a critique of my work, least of all pay him for it.
>>5319586he's a common crab, newfag
>>5319219looks good
>>5318481This, and so CSP models, DRAW BOXES
people will be more enticed with drawing boxes and learning to draw realistic humans first if it weren't for the shitbags shitalkers who just give destructive criticism but dont tell you what you can do and chances are they aren't any better themselves,
>>5319995If your ego needs its little peepee sucked for you to do basic exercises then you're ngmi. Your desire to improve at yourcraft should be more than enough "enticement".
>>5318562c o p eyou'll never be a real artist
>>5320163>>5320168great help you guys.
>>5319027It's easier to plan drawings and to animate with 3d. It's easier for 2d to look good, he is combining the best parts of 2d and 3d.
>>5319219It's okay but the hands and feet are a glaring giveaway to the guys lack of skill.
>>5320168ironically saying cope on "shortcuts can't substitute for knowledge" sounds suspiciously like a cope to me.
>>5322518yikes
>>5318443I never was the center of attention in my whole life thanks anon Ive been drawing digitally for about one month, dont have much time cuz of work. I tried different Tutorials and one was to "Trace" or more like fill in the construction on a finished Body.I did that and decided to color it. lol
>>5323171mogs me for when I was one month in
>>5318443no rulz
>>5323378just tulz.
>>5319219>looks just like generic professional weebshit
>>5319027>wouldn't it be faster to just bang out a "mannequin" and draw over that instead of having to painstakingly pose shit in a 3D modeling program and then trace over it?It's much faster. The problem is that it requires much more than the ability to>draw well enough to make a 3D model trace not look like shitand thus that will still be easier for a lot of people.
>>5318554This isn't really traced
>>5324141not a trace
>>5324141God these faggots need to work on their writing even more than their art. How could someone read that and find it remotely arousing? Why is it that coomers have such terrible imaginations? Does it stem from a lack of real worldinteractions to relate from? I would have thought they’d at least pick it up from film/tv/books but apparently not
>>5323422lulz
>>5322518>the stiffness is mostly gonei don't think so tim
>the sheer bitterness of every thread in this boardIf I was an aspiring artist, I would sure as hell avoid this place.
>>5324208lol better not visit /fit/ if you like exercise or /tv/ if you like tv or /adv/ if you like giving people helpful advice or /vg/ if you like games or. Wait is every board on 4chan a miserable shithole? I wonder if the obscure boards like origami are any different
>>5324208I mean that's 4chan for you.
>>5324165nice post
>>5324215No, this board is particularly worse than some of the bigger board despite being 20 times slower.
>>5322518So is this a shitty tutorial?, because i actually gave this trick a try.Can you please instead give people an idea of how to do perspective properly including extreme or fake perspective if you are so avert at using reference?
>>5319027manga niggas do it every day. it's way faster to just find something similar to your idea. ?? I get what you're asking but I don't at the same time unless it's a moral question or something
>>5322518this reads like a troll tutorialyou can accomplish the same thing by having the images side by side
>>5326647that's because they work tight deadlines and have to deliver a chapter a week. even then they rely on assistants more than outright tracing.
>>5324215/fit/ isnt that bad, /tv/ is based due to not being about tv or movies
>>5326658yeah thats true it's a whole different world. anyways I was just thinking that when I was reading your comment
>>5322518Imagine having to trace a model because you can't just draw that end producr. Jesus christ. We aren't talking about elaborate architecture in a huge sprawling city here, but a shitty animu doodle.
>>5326673pyw
>>5326685not even him, are you seriously impressed by that anime sketch... you could achieve similar (or better) results just heavy referencing it.
>>5319027I do it to speed up commissions. If you do it properly nobody will notice and you'll cut time drastically.
>>5326685Here you go, the last thing I drew in my sketchbook.
>>5322518i would understand doing this if you're on a deadline but this is just laziness at this point
>>5318554my wrist hurts
Have any of you fucking niggers read vilppu? Don't copy the model. Analyze it.
they got design doll on mac?
>>5318443did this permabeg nigger seriously just traced the fucking doll joints too?
>>5319027well, one reason for me at least is group poses. I find them very difficult and design doll allows multiple mannequins
>>5324208I only come here for the artbooks and free tutorials materials lol. I already work at Nickelodeon so dont worry anon, you'll make it eventually
>>5324141
bumpin
>>5318443Reminder that tracing is more than enough to sell to retarded coomers. Pic related sold HUNDREDS of commissions on dA just tracing over the default mannequin over and over again and playing with the sliders if she needed 'variety'. Plaster over a stock photo as a background and it's an easy $70-$100 that takes 3 hours of work at most. Stay mad
>>5333152kek
>>5322518Digital virgin tracer>>5326708Tradchad from imagination
>>5335821>3 hours of work aYou wish. Maybe if it was me doing ( im fairly skilled if i have to say so myself), but these amateurs are sweating and struggling for at least twice that much even when tracing. Just following a line is a fight for survival to them.
