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Can you make a living with commissions? Or is it mainly a part-time thing?
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>>5337759
you either charge 500+ for each picture or you do patreon
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>>5337759
thats a bit vague
if you can earn more than what you spend, yes you can make it liveable
go draw, go post, go make a commission sheet and post it on /aco/ and their discord for a starter
how much you start earning heavily depends on skill and level of appeal. then focus on growing a fan base so you can have reliable commissioners and patrons. it's a business like any other. can you make a living out of your future drawing business?
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Yes you can earn 600$ a month if you're decent
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>>5337769
>>5337780
>>5337790
it all feels so hopeless. Seems like we'll forever just be scraping by, barely keeping ourselves afloat
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Unless you're making 2000 dollars a month you're gonna have a rough time trying to save for retirement.
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>>5337800
it's at this point in the curve, where growth is very slow that most artists drop off and get back in the wage cage or give up until the next time they get the bug. it sounds cheesy but you need to stick jt through not just when it's going well but especially when it feels like this.
and remember there's more avenues that you may enjoy, you may build a portfolio on artstation and get offered work, land a job making something you like, or get involved in an indie project that suits you really well.
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>>5337759
Yes, work 16h a day, 6h you use to promote yourself
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>>5337813
i'm hoping to land a studio position somewhere, once I'm good enough. Seems like the most stable thing, even if it isn't great pay
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>>5337759
No, you can't, not even living in a shit thirdworld country like me, it's good for making some extra money tho.
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>>5337790
>600

rent is over 500~1k on any decent country, even if you live in a third world shithole you still need at least 300 just for your necessities and 300 bux wont' do shit in the long term, imagining saving for ten years just to buy a shitty car let alone a house,

you need at least 2k every month minimun, and thats subhuman furry/degenerate fetish territory unless you are a woman or god tier, not to mention the chance of getting canceled.
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>>5337790
>>5337951
I live on the east coast of america, not too far south nor north and my monthly bills including food and supplies are about 900 usd or so. Just dont live near a big city like a retard and it's not hard to save money
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>>5337958
>just save 1k every month and maybe in 50 years you can buy that 10x10m2 abandoned house in the swamp near the highway
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>>5337962
fuck off asshole that's my score
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>>5337759
>this thread
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>>5337759
Theres a streamer called AutomaticGiraffe. He might be live right now.
He streams himself drawing every single fucking day without fail. He charges like 50-200 for commissions but he does commissions on most of his streams. Sometimes he does personal stuff or school work but 75% of his stream drawings are commissions and he pumps out like, 5 or 6 every single fucking day.
Thats how you've got to be with commissions if you aren't an industry name working with companies or some shit.
It is very possible but you need enough demand and the drive to do it.
Its far easier to find a some people that will pay moderate amounts for something than a few that will pay high amounts, especially in recent times due to the pandemic.
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>>5337951
then go flip burgers for fucks sake
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>>5338097
more realistically you can do some work for companies, especially if you're willing to branch out from purely doing coomer fantasy weebshit and take a 'boring' job once in a while, even more so if you can do graphic design, and then just use personal commissions to fill in the gaps. if you want more stability, try to find a studio gig, there are a lot of outsource studios these days that will allow you to work remotely just as long as you can get it done.
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>>5338097
Sounds like hell.
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>>5338097
can you post his work?
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>>5337813
A very well known mangaka told me this once. I don't know if I should say who he is because maybe it was personal advice but I want to share it so for background this man does manga backgrounds, professionally, full time. He can whip up the most amazing background scene for a manga in minutes. He does and has done work for things like Fairy Tale, Hunter x Hunter, Death Note, etc etc. So just telling you this so you maybe take his advice more seriously

it's basically what they said (who i quoted). He said to me essentially when he was in school to become a mangaka, only 2 or 3 people from the 30+ person class went on to do art.
He said that it's not necessarily your skill or even if you're a "prodigy" or not, the one's who are mangakas now aren't necessarily the ones who were the best at drawing but the ones who stuck it out. The number one skill you need is perseverance. with that comes the rest the knowledge and the skills. It sounds simple but people just dont think this way for some reason they think im not doing good enough im not good enoug etc etc and give up or stop trying hard.
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>>5338097
It’s incredible that someone who draws that often can still be so bad.
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>>5338847
>d AutomaticGiraffe.
i wish i could do lighting like them other than that it honestly looks like shit for someone who apparently charges 500$
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>>5337790

more like $600 a day if you're decent.
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>>5337759
no. your main income is from working under a studio and paid at least 4k a month after taxes. no one commission that much to freelancers. if you work independently, you need to become a Proko, selling cash grab "courses" to "inspiring artists" or getting in the art gallery money laundering scheme that tricks the wealthy men.
to be honest with you, painting is just a hobby for the wealthy man's wife that has nothing to do aside from sex and shopping. even those great master in the past are destined for being poor and scrapping by just to live and only appreciated once they're gone 2 hundred years later.
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>>5337958
You pay that much in taxes if you are slightly above minimum wage here lmao
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>>5339294
Old masters were rich and famous artists of their day.
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>>5339302
They definitely were not
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>>5337759
with anime/comic commissions, not likely unless youre one of the huge names.

better off aiming for fine art and learning how to play politics if youre trying to make money to live comfortably
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>>5339302
they're not just artists but multi-talented guys that are able to dissect body for biology or invent mechanical parts for science or cartographers that hops on trading ships and only paints during their free time. when was the last time you do non-art job?
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>>5338876
I take it your image is a reaction to your own post
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>>5339331
You can't be remembered if you didn't have that much cultural influence in your day. History is just the celebrities of the past. Even Van Gogh was only remembered because his family promoted his story and his paintings
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>>5339603
it's rc sproul
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>get REALLY good at art (shouldn't take more than 4 years, 3 if you do regular studies)
>learn to network, grow in popularity
>take commissions for 200$ a piece
>do patreon
>sell stickers and other merch

Are you guys fucking retarded that this seems difficult to do or what, l see beg artists on twitter get commissioned because they know how to network
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>>5338334
He loves drawing
He has never once complained about his schedule and actively sought out the life he lives now
He had to prove to his very judgemental chinese parents that "drawing cartoons" was a feasible way of making income
>>5338704
He's obviously no super professional but his work ethic and upload schedule surpasses even that of our resident tableautist.
His work is somewhat similar to asukafag but far more loose.
He is proof that if you just fucking draw and actually enjoy drawing, you can make it.
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>>5337906
i live in the third world and im making around 1k per month and im not even trying to go full on commissions, 1k thats what a person that spend 5 years studying in college make.

im living a good life bought lot of shit for my house and i think i gonna invest at least 10k in a car in a few months.
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>>5340480
How many hours a week do you work on commissions? Is it ~20 hrs a week, like a part time job? I'm thinking of quitting my part-time job and trying to replace it with commissions
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>>5340483
i work around 4-6 hours per commission, 4-5 days so is around 20 hours per week. i have a serius job aside from commissions but due to the recent ammount of money im making im seriously thinking about leaving my current job.
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>>5340492
that sounds really good. I have my new short term goal now
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>>5340240
this is pretty much the only way to make it as an internet artist
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>>5337759
only if you're a 3rd worlder
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>>5340480
Charge more. Please.

>tfw first worlder and have to compete for comissions with third worlders who can buy an entire house for spare change
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I'm a Polish neet living with parents, all I want is some money for video games
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>>5340958
>wasting money on video games instead of ukrainians whores.
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>>5340240
>learn to network, grow in popularity
>that this seems difficult to do or what,

Yes.
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>>5337951
>rent
oh no no no
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>>5339331
old masters refers to artists that attained the title of master in the guild, you’re fucking retarded if you think you get there without wealth and fame
leonardo lived like a princess and he finished like 3 pieces in his life
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>>5340480
pyw
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>>5340378
>He loves drawing
>He has never once complained about his schedule and actively sought out the life he lives now
>He had to prove to his very judgemental chinese parents that "drawing cartoons" was a feasible way of making income
Is it.. you?
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>>5339363
They did craftsmanship stuff but no they weren’t surgeons. It’s the equivalent to an artist doing 3D modeling
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>>5337759
if you're good enough and market yourself properly, you can make a living doing anything
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Holy shit you retards are unhelpable. Not because you lack potential but because you refuse to help yourselves. Just sit around and crab all day.
You will stay broke and posting on /ic/ until the day you die.
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>>5341234
when i get home
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Well, one of the artists I follow charges $65/hour for commissions, and he sells out of slots every time he puts them up. I guess you just have to market yourself and be willing to draw literally anything.
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>>5337759
my friend does. he'll draw pretty much anything so he gets shitloads of commissions from suspiciously wealthy furries. he makes a pretty decent living, but he lives with his parents fyi.
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>>5341706
>tfw can't draw anything even moderately questionable in my country
>Furries are beastiliaty, Loli/shota is legally the same as child porn, anything extreme could be violate decency laws

God fuck this country.
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commissions are easy money if you charge low and draw literally everything. I made 300 usd in a month doing so. Tho i do admit it's soul sucking, now i do shota commissions only and i am enjoying it more.
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>>5342123
whoa that’s almost $350
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Questions for some of you more experienced commission artists:
>Do you have separate accounts for nsfw/sfw? Do you only draw one?
>What is your primary source of comms? (Twitter, discord)
>Do you occasionally make fan/flavour of the month art for growth?
I've just reached 100 followers on twitter, got two commissions there and six on discord (/aco/ discord). I think I need to do about 8 comms a week to make it liveable so this is great for a start but probably not replicable every week, I'm looking for tips on reaching more potential clients
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Of course you can. We are artists, we can work anywhere !
I've been living like a king traveling the world doing commissions.
You don't need more than 800-1000USD to live in most of the world.
>>5340954
It's called free market bruh, why would anyone, that could work anywhere, stay in an overpriced shithole is beyond me
>>5337951
>rent is over 500~1k on any decent country
lol no, that's overpriced. I havn't payed more than 500 in any country I've been in. and they all are as comfortable if not better than so called first world countries.
Do you think people live in huts in the jungle or something? You should go out more often.
>Imagining saving for ten years just to buy a shitty car
everyone knows cars are going to become a subscription model so its pointless to buy it lol
As for the house, I'm currently investing 5k every year(of course will increase this as I earn more) with index funds. should have more than enough to buy a house in 20-30years.
>>5337951
>thats subhuman furry/degenerate fetish territory unless you are a woman or god tier
Couldn't be more wrong, there are plenty of dnd parties as well as game/TCG companies looking to commission art. I'm not even close to god tier or woman and constantly reject work because of time(And I consider myself pretty fast at painting)


Once again, You don't need more than 1000USD to live pretty fucking comfortable in most parts of the world.

>>5342809
>just reached 100 followers
Depending on what you want your art career to be, number of followers means shit, I have barely 100 and I'm doing pretty well.
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>>5342863
>'m not even close to god tier or woman and constantly reject work
pyw

Seriously tho anon, at least post an art similar enough to yours, so people can gauge themselves.
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How easy is it to make a living as a nsfw artist?
I assume it's easier than sfw art.
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>>5342871
wrong again, quality doesn't matter, certainly not what an anon in ic thinks. It's the market that decides, the prospective commissioners that think your art is worth paying for..
Think of it like any other product. is it always the best one that sells the most?
trying to compare yourself to an imaginary minimum quality from when you can start making money is pointless. It doesn't exists.

That being said, my work is one of the images in the draw thread
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>>5342863
>Overpriced shithole
Sorry didn't realise Norway was classified as an overpriced shithole. It's nice here apart from Winter.

I'm not going to move to the Philippines just so I can leverage my income but in return need to live surrounded by slums.
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>>5342894
Oh, I don't mean it like that anon, I always took ic with a grain of salt.

Like you said it's the market that decides. Was just curious about your art and income as I don't have any irl working artist friends to compare myself with.

I made 500$ a month from my art and honestly it barely covers my ass and I'm a third world fag.
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>>5342894
>Is it always the best one that sells the most

Not always but most of the time yes.
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>>5337759
it really depends on what you consider a living.
you could live in an rv or move to a second world country and live for a fraction of the cost required to rent some shitty flat on the us coast. even doing low effort deviantart commissions would allow you to have that lifestyle without much trouble. if you want to be a breadwinner/homeowner/etc then it's probably a better idea to aim at a studio gig or at least build towards working primarily for high end clients like ad agencies and movie studios. you could also always 'settle' for a graphic design job with some firm which may not be the coomgod dream but it's hardly the worst thing.
>>5342878
the barrier for entry is lower but that also means you have far more retards to compete with and shittier clients in general. the best thing you can do is build a brand for yourself so you can justify having higher rates. there are also a handful of coom studios i've seem on job boards as well. someone's gotta make all those popups on porn sites and that someone could be (you)
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>>5342934
you seem not to know how the market works. especially today it's not quality that matters, like at all, it's how well you did your marketing and networking and is what you're doing in accordance with market demand. nobody gives a fuck about quality, people can't even see it.
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>>5342930
>in return need to live surrounded by slums
lol you guys should travel more often. main cities in so called 3d world countries have nothing to envy to 1st worlders .
you could even live in the expensive neighborhoods, not seeing any locals and still be cheaper.


>>5342931
>to compare myself
but what's the point? I could say I make 6 figures but live in expensive city with astronomical taxes or 5 figures but no taxes and cheap places. I don't think the number matters much. It's more about your lifestyle(expenses, savings, taxes, etc)

>>5342934
my point is you should start offering your services asap.
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>>5342945
>>5342945
I did university economics.

Marketing isn't nearly as effective as you think. Something like 85% of people don't buy a product unless they have received a recommendation from a person they trust.

Advertising only centres on that 15% of people.

Also you are mixing up the word best with the world quality. Best doesn't mean quality. Best means that it hits the perfect spot between quality and price.
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>>5342949
The major concern is to offer a commission and someone is unhappy with it and then they tell their friends not purchase anything from me.
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>>5342965
>a recommendation from a person they trust

yeah, this is literally marketing, the very essence of influencer marketing, which is considered to be more effective than ads. i'll add to this that success the art industry revolves around networking, so being recommended by trustworthy people within the industry, which is networking, is what establishes your success as an artist.

>Best doesn't mean quality. Best means that it hits the perfect spot between quality and price.

by dictionary definition, best relates to quality, so i did not assume that we were using your own personal definitions here.
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>>5342806
considering the min wage in my country is 100 usd and i just started 300 is a lot
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Has anyone tried charging bitcoin? Some clients prefer anonymity so I think it might work for them but I don't have the opportunity to add it as a payment option yet so I'm curious about it.
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>>5342930
>I'm not going to move to the Philippines just so I can leverage my income but in return need to live surrounded by slums.

You do understand that, most likely, you would be living in more expensive neighborhoods, right?
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>>5343020
Yeah no. Best just means most desirable.
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>>5343116
So? What's the point of a fancy gated community when outside of it is just a slum? That's just paying for a fancy prison. Part of earning a lot of money is being able to go out and experience your country and all of its beauty.
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>>5343121
The original anon I responded to complained about having to live in the slums in order to survive as an artist out in a place like the Philippines. Then when told they can just live in a richer community then here comes this response mentioning about how 'you would miss out on the beauty of the country by living in a gated community' despite the other post complaining about having to live in a fucking slum.

Not sure if you are the original anon, but if you are please make up your mind. The slums are included with the country. They are not a separate entity. Plus this particular discussion was about how to survive making commissions. In a lot of 1st world countries making a mere $600 p/month is not enough. It would be considered supplemental income. Yet, moving to a place that is poorer means that money would go further and you wouldn't have to live in the absolute slums in order to do so. Yet, I am not sure about internet capabilities in the slums so your would still have to move to, at least, a middle class area to be able to access that. Also, if people think that you have shit and they don't they will take it from you no matter where you go. So it's best to move some place where people have just as much as you or even a little bit more.

The point is to make and save as much as you can until you can afford to start traveling all over the place or just find some other place to settle down in.
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>>5337951
>rent is over 500~1k on any decent country
The problem with this is that you can probably find lower prices away from city centers, but then you don't have access to fast reliable internet, which is sort of endemic to the job.
Especially with people asking for 8K files or god forbid if you want to start streaming.
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>>5337951
>rent
Just live with mom and dad
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>>5342971
If you have a portfolio people will know what they'll be getting, and then you just need to be cordial.
Why would someone *not* be happy?
I did about a couple hundred commissions so far, and only had to deal with a handful of assholes so far, most people were quite nice, even when weirdos with odd fetishes.
Also you mostly deal with recurring clients, at least i do.
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>>5339331
Quite literally every artist from medical period was the son of a wealthy aristocrat or lord or whatever.
Art was a luxury profession of the elite, you think it was possible for some peasant farmer to become an artist?
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>>5343121
>So? What's the point of a fancy Norway when outside of it is just a slum? That's just paying for a fancy prison. Part of earning a lot of money is being able to go out and experience your world and all of its beauty.
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>>5337759
Yes, you can. That doesn't mean that you should put all your eggs in one basket. Diversify your portfolio with various income streams.
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>>5342102
my friend lives in singapore, where he would get beaten to death if they were to find out what he does. you could probably still do it and get away with it, just gotta be cautious.
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>>5343383
i'm in kind of a similar situation
can you please tell me how he keeps it hidden?? the government can look at his source of income can't they? or does he say it's normal freelancing? can he also hide the patreon account? thanks in advance.
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i still can't figure out how to make money off of nsfw art while keeping it away from my normal sfw account. it's the same paypal fuckkkk
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>>5343503
make another company
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>>5343514
what do you mean company? people still need a place to pay and it's paypal. if you mean a business account then i wanted to do that for me sfw account
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>>5343529
you can only have one paypal acc per country

solution:

https://e-resident.gov.ee
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>>5343539
we estonian porn barons now
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>>5343492
i don't know all the details so take this with a grain of salt, but i think he just tells them he freelances and then shows them all the revenue he gets through paypal transactions and they're cool with it. they probably don't care to know the exact details as long as they get paid, and he does sfw stuff every now and then so he could just fall back on that if questioned. the process might vary depending on the country so keep that in mind. also, he doesn't do patreon, just commissions.
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I want to start commissions so I can save up for an SKS but my work is so shit, like its really bad
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>>5340480
I'm on the same boat as you but please don't treat cars as investments, they're not. I'd buy a cheap car and invest that money on something that generates more money unless you already have that covered and the car is being bought with spare money.
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>>5343181
National borders mean something.
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>>5344011
Agreed. Cars that are not classic/collectables are not investments. Cars should be treated like tools.
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>>5337817
What's the best way to promote your self besides social media and posting your stuff on artstation or whatever?
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>>5337759
You can if you have a massive audience and people willing to pay. You have to find the right niche. Coom pays a lot or something sexual in nature. Sex sells.

Now if you want to be a pro that works in the industry and freelances or works for a studio, you have to actually get good. It's not just "market decides". Partially yes, because you have to make whatever the people paying you think will help sell product. But you actually have to be a good and well-rounded artist. Most importantly, your work flow must be procedural. This is because everything in the entertainment industry when it comes to art is procedural. How you draw concepts. How you illustrate. Because changes are inevitable. And if you don't have a procedural workflow, you'll perish.
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>>5337759
I'm making like 300~500 per week and I'm a lazy potato who charges $90 for a fullbody commission, so yeah you can easily live off commissions.
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>>5337759
I mean I think we all know some people who manage to do it, right? But it's hard and you need popularity before enough people will commission you on a regular basis.

But it would be easier if let's say you were a digital nomad and moved to cheaper countries while doing commissions?
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>>5344481
>>But it would be easier if let's say you were a digital nomad and moved to cheaper countries while doing commissions?
That's what i was considering.
I didn't do it because the pandemic broke, but i thought about moving to somewhere in the eastern block.
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I don't know why I don't find more of you guys when I travel, at most I find graphic designers but most dn are programmers
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>>5344504
How and where do you find other digital nomads anon? planning on travelling before winter.
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>>5344258
Coom isn't nearly as profitable as you think. Just go on /aco/'s commission thread, there are plenty of people who are willing to draw for $35 bucks.

Yeah you can earn more by doing really gross shit but it's hardly worth it when you have to stare at a reference picture of someone taking a dump for 6 hours.
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>>5344504
it's harder to make it as an illustrator honestly
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>>5344820
honestly I've seen people better than me fail as a freelance but it was because of lack of discipline, they couldn't meet their deadline. They don't know how to receive feedback. They have no idea about the bussines side, etc etc

>>5344510
online? there are tons of places, fb seems to be the most popular
Irl? meet ups or coworking spaces
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>>5345098
>tfw terminally autistic and also highly socially anxious to boot
i wanna travel more or at least take the vanpill but it feels like even if i do i still wont make any friends
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>>5345121
JUST
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>>5345098
>honestly I've seen people better than me fail as a freelance but it was because of lack of discipline
this is what filters most wannabe artists.
>I wanna be an artist but I don't want to spend 100000 hours studying to be actually good and marketable give me free gains now AAAAAA
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>>5337759
yes. I charge between £75 and £100 a piece.
I complete about 10-15 pieces a month.
my rent and bills are covered by piece number 5 or 6.
my food is covered by piece number 7 or 8.
anything on top is gucci.
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>>5340378
>generic semi/beg/ fetish anime fanart garbage
every time lol
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>>5346920
on the other hand it made things eaier for me, clients usually give way more time than I need because of their past exp with artists and then I deliver better artwork and way faster. aka recurring clients.

Don't stop being retarted fucks with no discipline pls
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>>5346941
Do you see any room for growth in the future? I’m afraid to be poor for the rest of my life
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>>5338837
That's interesting anon. Makes sense. Thanks for sharing.
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How much is the average commission?

I live in a 3rd world shithole where I can live comfortably with 125 USD a week. Can I make this much just with commissions?
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>>5348140
$30-$75? maybe more. i always see price ranges like these
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>>5348140
you can get away with $100 on /beg/ tier artistry
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>>5348140
Depending on the skill level and popularity, it can range from $20-$1000+.
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>>5348140
I paint dnd portraits or 250 each
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>>5349359
How do you connect to your market?
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hey bros, circumstances have led to me really needing money and I want to start doing NSFW commissions, but I have literally no idea where to start.

I know the vague process of coming up with a commission sheet with examples of my work but I don't know how to market. Does anyone have experience with starting NSFW commissions, or any for that matter?
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>>5349755
Honestly I started on a twitter fandom account for series I like, I did fanart and got followers because of it, then started with commissions and I have been doing good even if I only have 600 followers or so. I think you would grab attention faster doing loli/shota or femboy, genshin lewds, mutual follow people, share on discord servers. Maybe you can try baraag if you're okay with loli/shota and bloody, rape, nastier themes. You can also try on DeviantArt because they're obsessed with piss or something, idk. I know you can grow rapidly as a cooming artist on twitter I've seen people going from 0 to 1000 in a month. Good luck, anon!
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>>5349777
Thanks anon, I think I'll give making a new account on twitter a go. Not as familiar with Twitter, do you have to tag your art? Do tags matter, or does the retweeting do more work?

Also have not heard of baraag, but is loli/shota stuff allowed on twitter, or is it technically illegal? Or is it a depending on country kind of thing?
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>>5349818
Yw! Tags are not that common, rts do more than them but you can give tagging a try, it might help for people specifically searching for a fetish.

Loli is legal on twitter yeah, it's so massive they can't manually moderate it all. Most loli artists there are safe but sometimes they get harassed and suspended by butthurt people, specially if you happen to do art for genshin or some series with huge annoying children fanbase. Apparently, tagging your media as sensitive content on setting can help against it, but it never really happened to me so I can't tell. You won't get harassed for loli or weird shit unless very unfortunate so I wouldn't worry about it by now.
I wouldn't care about loli illegality by country at all, only australians are serious about it.

Baraag is only safer than twitter because you won't get mass reported there. Also If your loli/shota art is good you can grab attention easier, I think.
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To all the anons ITT who does commissions what size of Canvas do you guys use ? Is their a standard paper size for Commissions and does the size affect the prize? Thanks in Advance.
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>>5350544
I use the higher my pc can bear without crashing with 60 layers so 4000px or even 5000px. I don't see why would it affect the price, though, I never got any commissioner asking for sizes.
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>>5350544
a good rule a pro illustrator told me is to always work like you're going to take it print.
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>>5350833
What size is that anon? Right now I'm only drawing on custom size 1000x1000.
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>>5350544
>>5350847
whatever your pc can work with
anything past 3kx3k px and 300dpi should be enough for most cases
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>>5351212
thanks anon.
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>>5350847
for my canvas prints etc they are like 12000x12000 and 300dpi kek
not necessary but i pass them as real paintings shhh
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>>5351306
I mean you can couch surf
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>>5337759
Depends on your lifestyle and what you want to achieve in life.
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>>5337759
to take big bucks is to have a job, maybe a wage cuck job. while doing commissions as a side job.
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>>5337759
Let's say you make $50 per commission and it takes 4 hours to finish the drawing, in 8 hours you make $100 and 16 $200

I fail to see how you can't make this into a full time job unless you don't get enough commissions
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>>5354130
I'm not that fast
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my goal is to get my first commission this year, even if it's for two dollars
wish me luck bros
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making weeb digital anime art? fuck knows

when people comission me to tattoo them I make £50/hr

when I do graphic design stuff I base my comission quotes on a rough £25/hr as I can quite easily stack up 10-20 hrs work on a single logo project
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>>5354220
Good luck friend, but value your own work :)!
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>>5337958
based cletus
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>>5354231
10-20hrs on a logo project. You're really milking that one.
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I was actually about to ask this. I might still make a separate thread for it.

I see shitty deviantart artists do commissions for like 15 dollars for weird fetish shit in crayola-tier drawings and I might need some extra money. Is it actually something you can make a decent amount of money with or just a very small side gig?
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>>5354220
There Is Big, American For, Dream You?
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>>5342863
Hey nomad anon, do you a blog? I've seen your posts here on ic quite a few times now and they're always inspiring. It'd be pretty cool to see your work but i understand if you don't wanna share it here
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>>5337759
>Can you make a living with commissions?
100% you can but most artists are bad at business and handling money so dont expect great advice from your peers
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>>5337958
>I live on the east coast of america
If youre a digital artist in the US
DONT LIVE IN A HIGH TAX STATE or CITY

Many artists make this mistake, so many of them live in places where the cost of living is extremely high. Don do that
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>>5354683
there are towns in this country with a population of like, 20. there is zero reason to waste your life living in an overpriced bugtropolis.
also worth considering changing your residence to a low tax state like ak or texas. the government is just gonna use your money to spy on you and kill brown kids so give them as little as possible
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>>5355163
>there is zero reason to waste your life living in an overpriced bugtropolis
Except for you know...... jobs, ease of access to facilities, education opportunities etc.

Retard.
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>>5343141
I live in a small city in fucking Brazil, my Internet is the slowest/cheapest option available, which is 30mbps, and it's more than enough to stream while voice-chatting on Discord with a person who is also sharing his screen. While my parents watch Netflix on the living room and look at dumb memes on their phones.

Big cities are only necessary if you're a vapid normalfag who wants to go to parties and other type of scene bullshit. If you empty manchild princesses could survive without your degeneracy and thirst for social approval, humanity wouldn't have to deal with the abomination we call big cities in this digital age.
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>>5354220
same here
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>>5338097
>>5338334

5-6 means between 250-1200$ a day, on top of monetizing through streaming.

art is a tradeskill not a magical expression forum, it can easily be a hobby, but is is first and foremost a trade.
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>>5355204
>my Internet is the slowest/cheapest option available, which is 30mbps
meanwhile me with 16mbps
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>>5355259
damn dial up chads look like THAT
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>>5355204
I live in Australia.

Population density makes building internet infrastructure anywhere that isn't the major cities a waste of time.
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>>5355259
>less than 1 mbps
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>>5354288
how much money do you need to survive?
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>>5355295
about tree fiddy
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>>5355300
gmi
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>>5355204
>I live in a small city in fucking Brazil, my Internet is the slowest/cheapest option available, which is 30mbps

Good for you.
I was on 10Mbps and that was my fastest option, in the countryside, and would go out for hours at the lightest drizzle.
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>>5354241
Hey I wasn't born here and I don't talk to anyone here, so I havent picked up a redneck accent yet. I used to live in new york and then florida, they really werent worth the living price
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>>5355503
no worries my single digits mbps bros
Starlink is near the horizon
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>>5355295
Fuck if I know.
An approximate might be one thousand minimum.
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>>5355566
then you need to have a constant amount of commissions coming in and you need to be fast enough to keep churning them out to work on new ones.
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>>5355665
Even if it's some low effort stuff like idunno, inflation for autists or captioning?
Is it really possible to make around a hundred with that?
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>>5355813
easily, you just have to market yourself to the right people
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>>5355566
After taxes? Otherwise we're talking 10 100$ commissions a month, not exactly an unfathomable workload.
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>>5355836
I don't have to set foot on their communities, do I?

>>5356523
I have no idea how I'd even declare taxes on that shit on my country.
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>>5356935
>I have no idea how I'd even declare taxes on that shit on my country.
You don't have accountants there? Ask one.
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I have a question.

Do you network and gain a following before you start offering commissions or do you offer commissions and use that as a hook to gain followers? I want to draw for money but don't know how to start.
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>>5357537
As long as you post your art online, who cares? You need a portfolio either way.
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>>5357589
That's very true, but how do you go about getting eyes on your work?
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>>5357537
>>5342863
>Depending on what you want your art career to be, number of followers means shit, I have barely 100 and I'm doing pretty well.
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>>5357603
I want to have people want to see my work and, ideally, want to pay for some custom shit.
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there are rule34 artists and I mean real degenerate shit with commissions filled up for months

you can make bank if you're good enough and willing to sell your soul
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>>5358963
>wanted to get good at drawing specifically to make my catholic-themed comics about people fighting against generation-spanning conspiracies started by demons
>desperately need the money
aight
you win this round satan
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How do you guys accept commissions on paypal without doxing yourselves to your clients?
I've had a separate paypal account for years but suddenly paypal banned it, they realised it was a second account, so now I have to use my primary account.

What do you guys do? My primary account obviously has all my real information connected to it and I don't want hentai freaks knowing all that
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>>5359022
Try cofi
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>>5337800
>>5337790
just make a patreon and post on twitter jfc you faggots need everything spoonfed to you

source: started posting on twitter, made patreon, now make $5k a month doing w/e the fuck i want and zero commissions. it's not fucking hard, patreon is literally free money, people are so fucking stupid they will pay you $5 for anything, half the time forget they even support you after a year and never notice the $5
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>>5359033
I'll try it, although adult content isn't allowed so my ko-fi might still get taken down
https://help.ko-fi.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007937553-Adult-NSFW-or-Illegal-Content-

I'm trying to find out if anyone will be able to dox me through ko-fi also
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>>5359085
Adult isn't allowed on paypal either. If they found out they would actually ban you.

>Negotiate a commission on your platform
>Ask to be paid via kofi """donation"""
>get your money "donated" with no strings attached
>Deliver to your client via mail or mega link or through imgur

Just don't use kofi itself as a platform, only as a tip box.
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>>5359101
>>5359085
the fuck are you stupid retards talking about, make a 2nd paypal its fucking easy, i've been doing porn commissions for 3 fucking years with zero issues
>b-but I got my paypal banned!!!!!!
fucking HOW????
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>>5359075
I don't wanna go on twitter I'm scared.
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>>5359103
Paypal verify your credentials before allowing a withdrawal unlss you live in kongo or something.
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>>5338847
kek
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>>5359111
what the fuck are you talking about, I have literally never had to do that
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>>5359101
Thank you

>>5359103
Maybe you're in the USA?
I'm in the UK, I never had to do it before but last year I suddenly had to give a phone number for my account so I used one-time number at the time, but then recently they suddenly made it so that you HAD to verify the phone number on login so I couldn't do that since it was a fake number I don't have access to anymore. When trying to raise the issue that I couldn't login to because I have no access to my phone number they locked the account because I was calling the helpdesk from a number associated with my primary account.
I try to re-activate it with a new phone number but since Google talk isn't available in the UK for free I would need to pay for a burner number which is just so much, at this point it seems you can't have a paypal account without connecting it to a phone number so it makes more sense just to try to use my primary account.
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>>5358979
>>>wanted to get good at drawing specifically to make my catholic-themed comics about people fighting against generation-spanning conspiracies started by demons
Sounds more retarded than porn.
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>>5359175
Ask to get paid in crypto.
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>>5357595
Unless it's absolute /beg/ tier, in which case you shouldn't even want eyes on it (aside from critiquing purposes) you just post a bunch, interact with bigger (but not massive) artists on social media and maybe they'll retweet you at some point, also do some flavor of the month fan art here and there (or rule34 if you're after the coomer market).
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>>5359220
why even bother posting, normies aren't paying in crypto
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>>5359221
Would this be considered /beg/-tier?
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>>5359227
Then sell to degenerates.
We're talking porn, no? Unfortunately everyone has to go through Paypal/CC companies, which are more prudish than the church.
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>>5359229
Yeah i would continue working on the fundies, before thinking about money.
Unless you're desperate, in which case, try to go the fetish route so the competition is less brutal.
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>>5359235
Alrighty, thanks for the honesty.
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>>5359229
imagining how small her teeth set are in her skull is making me feel weird
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>>5359246
I fucking hate teeth Jesus Christ I can only make them scary.
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>>5359175
>I was calling the helpdesk from a number associated with my primary account.
lol that was pretty dumb tho
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>>5359250
To be fair anime teeth are just like that
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>>5359260
No they aren't
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>>5359260
I need to improve on my non-horror teeth this is confirmation.
>>5359246
Thanks for this. I can't unsee it now which blows but I can learn from this experience.
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>>5359260
They usually avoid drawing individual teeth, just the division between top and bottom row.
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Thank you anons for inspiring me to try and go pro so I can quit my job and move away from this blasted city
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>>5337759
Do sketch streams once a week.
$35 a sketch (you can charge upwards of $60. People will pay more.)
Stream for 5 hours. Do one sketch an hour.
That's like $150 a day.
Just scale up from here.
2 days a week is $300
4 weeks is $1200
This isnt including patreon, merchandising, or commissions. This is just 10 hours a week of work.
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>>5359219
It wouldn't beat you over the head anyway, you'd never notice it unless you were looking for it, but of course you'd say that.
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>>5359789
You what they say, ideas are cheap, execution is everything, so it may end up being the greatest thing ever, for all I know.
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>>5359920
Well, yeah.
I still don't see how it could be any dumber than unga bunga me want woman.
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>>5337759
I have UI/UX design as my main income and the illustration commissions can give even more than that but is mainly freelance
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>>5360303
comfy
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>>5360319
it is yeah, I live in Mexico so making 5.5k at month is more than enough and still have time for my own projects
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>>5359101
>Just don't use kofi itself as a platform, only as a tip box
any particular reason for this? is it bad as a platform?
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>>5355169
>jobs
but the whole point is to be an online artist?
>ease of access to facilities
like? what? you think small towns don't have water and internet? are you retarded?
>education
lol. lmao
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>>5360523
Not NSFW friendly.
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>>5359264
A useful shorthand for teeth is that the canines are a corner, and the rest of the teeth turn away from the lips after them.
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>>5337800
Learn how to invest your money on the side.
Once your portfolio gets to 6 figs you can live off the passive income as long as your yearly returns are above 15%
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>>5360811
>yearly returns above 15%
lol, good luck with that. It's almost impossible to consistently beat the market (~7% returns), even for the best managers.
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>>5360811
>not staying above inflation
ngmi
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>>5360811
>you can live off a single commission as long as it’s for $50k
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>>5360542
Ok?
Not everyone that decides to live in cities is an artist.
Are you mentally retarded or just feigning stupidity as an attempt to save face after making a retard post?
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>>5361870
I wasn't even the first guy but I agree, overcrowded crime ridden shitholes are no place to live, your arguments as to why someone would are weak and stupid, bet you'd bring up "multiculturalism" and "socialization" as "good" points too retard
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>>5340378
>he loves drawing
>he has never complained
>he pretty much made it
>draw kawaii uwu fanart animu grill
>"oh, but he is chinese"
God, i wish my government would implement bots to inorganically inflate my internet presence, instead all the do is demand 150% tax on every cent i make.
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>>5361990
My "arguments" were main reasons why people move to cities in the first place. Particularly bc that's where all the jobs are you fucking autist.

You would know that if you werent a weirdo hat lived with his mom.
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>>5362125
>projecting
so not only do you not live in one, you defend roach infested zog controlled bugtopias for what reason? nobody asked why "people" move there, anon said that they're shit to live in and you swoop in with "OH YEAH WELL.."
kill yourself
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>>5362243
>shitskin talking about what's a shit place to live or not
You have nothing going for your life and will kill yourself in 4 years. .
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>>5362256
>projecting again
lol
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>>5359111
>credentials
Do you mean shipment tracking number?
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>>5355284
same here, jewish isps in america love charging tons of money for internet that won't put out 8kbps.
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>>5359075
Wtf based
Post your patreon
What kinda work do you post? Comics, fanart?
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>>5343146
Good on you for not having a violent psycho step-dad that lives with your mom and discourages you from drawing but nah im good
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>>5360814
I got 16% last year just from a basic ETF and doing buy and hold

I get that every year won't be like that but still
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>>5365114
It's probably LARP, but prove me wrong, Anon.
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>>5359075
how to get followers without making coomart?
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>>5343115
seconding this, entered the thread specifically to know how to set up a wallet for that.
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>>5344816
I often discourage these people from selling their soul to draw pron but maybe I should do the opposite : let all of these greedy monsters fill the coom market & realize the mistake by themselves...
Sooner or later, it will become so saturated that they'll specialize in the weirdest/grossest fetish and it will dawn on them.
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>>5354679
This is sadly true.
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>>5358979
Nnoooooo, don't succumb to the temptation anon, your spirit has more value than the clout!
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>>5366513
>clout
Anon, you don't know. I might starve.
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>>5340378
That's tight shmooze booze. You clearly don't wouldn't know what loose means if you haven't even learned perspective construction or anatomy
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>>5339294
Based non-English Truth poster.
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>>5341677
Have a (you) good God what even is that.
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>>5347702
Where'd you get these pics?
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>>5354220
good luck bro
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>>5355284
Same, I get about 2Mbps at my mom's place and it feels like heaven compared to where I am.
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>>5354220
Post art, jew.

Personally I found payment processors to be more of an obstacle than anything else. Mostly because I live in a third world country and have to jump hoops to get a dollar account for international transactions. Everyone's here a Philistine who'd probably spit on me if they knew the kind of degeneracy i draw.
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>>5337759
I really want to become good enough to do commissions. I know you don't have to be a pro to be commissioned. Hell, I wrote some stories as a very amateur writer and got commissions. But I'm like almost 30 and for some reason it feels very distasteful in my mind to think about myself being barely passable at 32 or 33 or however long it takes. I dunno why. I'm having a hard time getting over the hurdle that people started drawing at a young age and are getting really good at in their 20s when I have to work twice as hard to even be at that level now. Feels like I wasted so much time. But also the same level of desire to draw wasn't there for me then as it is now. Now I really want to draw. I'm almost completely manic about it. I'm dreaming about it. I'm watching hours of tutorial videos about it, I'm going to buy all the artbooks I need and a tablet so I can into digital art. But I know it's going to take time. A lot of time. And for some reason it really pains me.
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>>5354220
Based i hit my goal when i set it

It was shit, i got 10$ and the customer sucked but I got it.
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>>5366748
my vacation
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>>5354220
>>5355253
>>5366796
Posts sheets.
I want to commission cheap artists to draw me big boobs
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>>5368594
If there is a tier below /beg/ then I am probably there so no point
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>>5368825
I once saw a guy offering to draw crabs done in mspaint for a few bucks..he had plenty of clients.
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I have 0 idea what I should be charging for my stuff and it stresses me out.
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>>5371173
Have you considered talking with other nsfw artists and getting a general read on their comm prices? That's what I intend to do.
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>>5371173
>>5371175
You can find a commission thread on /aco/
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>>5340240
>learn to network, grow in popularity

yeah see thats the problem - these fools dont have social skills and/or dont bother trying to develop them beyond hiding behind keyboards.

art is a personal thing - relate to other people in real life as a genuine person and your fanbase/network will build organically.
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>>5354259
no, 10-20 hours on a logo is pretty solid quick turnaround seeing as that could happen within a week if the client is decisive in their communications and feedback

-2hrs thumbnailing once youve gotten the general brand values and other info out of the client - aim to fill 2-3+ sides of A4 with as many ideas/variations as you can
-choose strongest sketches / show refined versions of strongest to client
- (possible client feedback, make more sketches until you have ones to work up to vector)
- build up a couple ideas to base vector forms and go nuts trying slightly different layouts/tonal or colour variations/letterforms /stroke variations (3-8 hrs depending on complexity and whether going down one defined route from the start or exploring options in parallell

select strongest handful to give client an update

-finalise after discussion and make full pack of colour, black and white, transparent background versions, rgb and CYMK options for web and print etc etc.

quite often Ill split that into a couple hours a day as leaving things and coming back with fresh eyes is pretty important.

clients often can take up to a week to get back to you so it drags out sometimes
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>>5373003
I am a literal nazi.
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>>5347097
I'm sure he is worlds better than you. Shut the fuck up crab.
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>>5359229
yes. sorry.
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>>5337759
I make about 2k a month doing them, it started out extremely slow though. Gradually more people started commissioning me the more I completed through word of mouth. The only issue is my free time and work time are merged and it is pretty difficult to take my breaks.
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>>5378645
>2k a month
But how many commissions do you have per month? Also, where to find the new clients?
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>>5380722
Its not about the number, but the money, I have had months where I only had 1 com and others with 10 and earned the same. I even had months where I was working and had no income because of payment setups and viceversa.
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>>5378645
>>5380798
NSFW? and if so, which platform? I'm very leery about paypal regardless of art type as I've heard horror stories of limited accounts and frozen assets

someone mentioned kofi but outside of a shady tipping workaround mechanic, the risk is the same
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>>5337759
only if it is coommissions
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>>5380798
>had months where I only had 1 com and others with 10 and earned the same

Wait how did this happen? Did the one guy just offer you a high price? Or the other 10 haggled you down to a cheap price during desperate times? Is it okay for your prices to fluctuate that much? I'd imagine it would look really sketchy to clients to have wildly varying prices for the same level of work.
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>>5340549
Judging that every single commission artist known out there is from the 1st world this is not the case
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>>5380722
It's usually about 6-10 per month, like I said it is mostly through word of mouth. Usually from friends of clients or someone who saw them elsewhere.
>>5380949
I use paypal, I have done NSFW twice. However each time was just a bad experience all together. Like making it isn't too complicated, but each of the clients would try to stretch revisions.
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>>5382503
What kind of work? Illustrations? Graphic design? For companies, individuals, indie projects?
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>>5382900
3D models, though I am starting to think it'd probably be easier on my hands for me to do patreon.
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>No porn
>No anime
I know i already lost but still got my dignity
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>>5339294
>tricks the wealthy men
You don't understand how it works. The art galleries are not tricking them, they are working for them.
Their bosses implicitly pay them to select artists, sell them art for (to them) nominal amounts then hype them up. Manufacture some sales to establish pricing over the course of years, then donate art for a wildly inflated price years down the line to offset taxes owed on their real revenue streams.
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With even $1000 salary in Russia you're upperclass citizen outside of Moscow or St
With $2000+ you're walking God
Enter downshifting if you're from US/EU
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>>5386576
Dream is to make a decent living in online comissions and go live in Estonia or Latvia, just enjoy cosy baltic life doing what I like.
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>>5342102
Lots of artists make money who only draw normal porn, if porn itself is okay with you. If you can afford to start cheap and build an audience, that's an option - plenty of artists on HF who charge lotsa emone started at maybe 1/3 or less than current pricing, just getting a rough finished product (at a much lower level of skill than now) in the designated timeframe. As audience grows and slots fill up, raise prices and focus on longer, more detailed commissions if that's what you prefer (as many do). Maybe interact with artists who've already made it - get permission to color a b+w commission or other unfinished art/sketch "because you like it so much" to get the link back and tap into that artist's audience.
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>>5343115
>>5366003
Dont do bitcoin. While it's the most recognizable, the transaction costs now are really high so it's not worth it unless costs fall precipitously.
ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_fee

Find another coin you can easily cash out of that is traded on major exchanges and look up a dummies guide - which most cryptocurrency exchanges offer - then provide the dummies guide link to prospective clients on your page.
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>>5380949
regular dnd stuff
>>5381664
>Wait how did this happen?
I get hired by companies, technically one client but bulk work
>Is it okay for your prices to fluctuate that much?
My rates are not public, they vary if it's for commercial use(companies), personal use( your usual dnd parties),
If I really want to do the work, find it challenging/fun/ want the exp, etc
If I need the money
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>>5354683
Not all artists want to be friendless hermits
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>>5386585
redpill me on the baltics bro
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>>5337759
Only if:
You're popular that you never run out of commissions to do
You work on them every weekday from 9 to 5
Getting at least 2 to 3 done a day
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>>5343024
>I just started
Post art?
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Guys how do I get commissions? Where to find clients? Do I just post a commission sheet on twitter with couple hashtags?
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>>5366785
>I'm having a hard time getting over the hurdle that people started drawing at a young age and are getting really good at in their 20s when I have to work twice as hard to even be at that level now
In my early twenties and feeling the same way about talented zoomers. If you don't start now you'll feel worse later on.
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You are welcome
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Bros I just looked up self employment tax in my state
Apparently if you make over 400 dollars you have to file. Wtf?





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