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Proko is an example in my mind of how not to train as an artist. He speedran the technical aspects and never cultivated his creativity. His original work is trash with no feeling and not even great technical skill. We must be different anons.
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I know proko did that comic with the dogs that honestly really does not look that good, but what else he did?

Also, I try getting out of my confort zone the best way I can, recently I learned thats a lot harder then you may imagine, I always did shading a exactly way and my shading never really improved beyond that, but when I started experimenting with other tools it was like an entire hidden world was open to me. So getting out of your comfort zone is a lot harder when you don't realize you have one.
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ic doesnt draw
cant be proko if you never ever draw
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exercise your creativity. do original projects even if your drawing skills suck. studying all the time without creating original artwork is a common pitfall that artists fall into. learning and mastering theory is one thing, applying it is a whole other problem.
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Proko has his own style
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>>5373446
It is a style that was developed to be marketed as a "safe"and "foundational" style to do before doing heavier stylization because most of his students are probably manchildren doing anime and twitter cartoon shit. Therefore its blandness is considered a virtue for teaching. I never understood these teachers who market their style as foundational because it assumes there is a normal process or style to drawing. Even if there was one theirs wouldnt be it.
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>>5373345
The modern conception of technical proficiency is inherently soulless. Teachers are the worst because they exemplify it.
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I feel like the Watts style will suck out your soul. Listen to him teach and you will understand. It's like he's training you to become an obsessive neurotic artist. Huge focus on always making "beautiful lines", on never being "sloppy", he's constantly browbeating you with his mantras on line cleanliness and how bad it is to draw sloppily, etc, and when you go down that route and you really internalize what he's telling you then you end up making this technically solid but soulless art. The alternative is the path of Vilppu which will have you churning out tons of sloppy soulful art until you get good enough that you can tune up the sloppiness.

If the soul isn't in the art at the beginning then it won't come later. You can always clean it up, become technically better, but I should be able to see the soul in the roughest draft of your drawing, and as you improve the drawing then you should be trying to maintain that soul that was in the initial scribble, not trying to develop it.

You're never going to get soul from the Watts style. It's focused around making aesthetically nice images that are based 100% on using reference and never using imagination.
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>>5373967
100% agreed anon. Watts is a technician. Will put food on the table but not get your name in the history books.
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>>5373976
I don't care about being put in the history books. I'll be forgotten, and that's okay. While I'm alive I want to draw some good fuckin coom art.
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>>5373983
>While I'm alive I want to draw some good fuckin coom art.
then don't learn from Watts. Good coom art is extremely imaginative and gestural, it's more suited to Vilppu than Watts. Watts is what you want if you want to take an actual picture of a pornstar, take all the eroticism out of it, and reproduce it to look an academic drawing/painting with the same pose, the same everything. That's what he's training you to do and he's good at it, but if you want to draw good art from imagination or without an intense reliance on reference then it's like going to a bakery and asking for spaghetti, it's not what he does
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>>5373991
I'm trying to find things by vilppu on youtube, trying out my hand on timed gestural sketching. Need a lot of practice. I notice a immediately degrade to chicken stratch lines in order to imitate Vilppu, but Vilppu knows exactly where he wants his lines to be. Any recommendations on things to look up on youtube? I tried to find his instruction manual, but I couldn't find any PDFs from a site I'd consider safe. Can only find physical copies of the manual which are expensive.
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>>5374029
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1734933
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>>5373345
so... what does his art looks like? the inly thing I could found is this and some random male body drawings
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>>5374234
did Proko really draw that? Pretty insane
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>>5374234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKGZp2_aMEw
Zombie back when he actually drew things.
That looks more or less like his drawings.
>>5373955
You can't be taught soulfulness nor creativity, that comes from the person themselves if they have it in them, teachers should be focusing on technical capabilities and solid foundations from which the individual can express their selves.
It's up to each person to make art, and it's up to the teachers to give them the proper tools with which to craft it.
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>>5374234
http://www.stanprokopenko.com/portfolio.php. How did you not find this anon?
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>>5374365
certain methods hurt soul/creativity though and Watts is one of them. if you want to take the ideas that exist in your head and bring them to life without them just being a hodgepodge of references glued together then Watts is not for you. proko with the kangaroo is the perfect example of what Watts does to you
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>>5374234
I can guarantee you that proko did this drawing by first finding an image of a zombie that was making a roughly similar expression and then he took a photo of himself making the same expression and then he fused the two together. at no point was imagination used, it was just a fusing of copying two different references
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>>5374444
>>5374439
vilppu is an example of soulful use of reference in contrast to this. he doesn't copy, he uses the reference for information and for inspiration, but he changes the pose, never copies contours, etc. huston does a similar thing too
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>>5374234
this wasnt done by proko, it was an entry into his halloween zombify the proko team contest
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IF IT ALREADY EXISTS THEN I DON'T NEED YOU. I DON'T NEED A CAREFUL RENDERING OF A PHOTO OF CLINT EASTWOOD WHEN THAT PHOTO ALREADY EXISTS
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>>5374454
This.
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>>5373967
>>5374448
im really happy about the resurgence of Vilppu's popularity on this board. Vilppu is the greatest
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>>5374365
It is more accurate to say that teachers show you a version of what they consoder good technique and foundations. They are already developed to conform to their own character and soul. When you copy after an artost, and especially when it is after a teacher in the form of lectures, you take on a portion of their way of thinking and intuitions about drawing. You can tell when someone is studied under a certain teacher. Teachers give students the proper tools that are already developed to express the teacher's own art.



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