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I'm a aspiring artist with 6k twitter followers.

Seeing shit like this is kinda depressing. If this artist can only scrape together 300 bucks a month with 76k followers, what hope is there for smaller artists? What is he doing wrong? does content matter? make more coomer art? more frequent art? Put a paywall on you best stuff? How do some fags with 15k followers earn like 3-4k a month?
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Get a job in STEM.
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>>5438855
>How do some fags with 15k followers earn like 3-4k a month?
Webcomics or some type of project usually.
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STOP ASKING FOR YOUR MARKET RESEARCH YOU LAZY FUCK
HOLY SHIT THIS BOARD IS FUCKING WORTHLESS YOU SUB-80IQ NIGGER START THINKING ABOUT THE TOPIC AND DON'T ASK FOR SPOONFEEDING
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>5438859
kill yourself faggot
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>>5438871
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU LAZY GORILLA
THIS BOARD IS FUCKING DOGSHIT
"WOWIE LOOK AT MY SHITTY DRAWING LOOOL"
"LOOMIS VILPPU DRAWABOX BRO HAHAHAHHAHAHHAH"
"COOM GOOD COOM BAD BLABLABLA"
"HAHA DO MY MARKET RESEARCH FOR ME I'M TOO FUCKING LAZY TEEHEE"
NOBODY HERE ACTUALLY DRAWS, FUCK OFF
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>>5438859
>>5438878
would be based if not overly angry
[spoiler]post your work[/spoiler]
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>>5438859
this board sucks because of faggots like you that flame people with all caps because you're a failed artist. You never draw and just shitpost on /ic/ all day.
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>>5438855
I hope you get mugged and ass raped by a gang of niggers you pornowhore.
Porn is not art.
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>>5438859
Only good post itt
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>>5438855
get a job as a diversity muppet in tech
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>>5438855
Sex appeal. I'm sure you've seen a lot of shitty artists who don't deserve their follower count, patreon will reflect that.
I'm at 400 on patreon but only 17k on Twitter
Just be good, give actual rewards
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>>5438855
why u gotta censor tho
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>>5438913
seems mean otherwise.
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>>5438878
take your meds you fucking schizo
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>>5438855
At least 90% of twitter followers at just bots
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>>5438922
cope
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>>5438855
I'm in a similar boat to you minus 5.8k followers and I know the feel. But if you're just woried about making this into a viable bill-payer remember you'd also get money from commissions and maybe even a little project with a indie company, that kinda thing. Others have already mentioned it but really what dictates how much money you'll make is the quality of your product and how many people will be willing to pay for it. Games, visual novels, comics, animations, there's so much for you to make to a) get even more followers and b) get paid
We're bottom on a really slow grind and it takes a while, years potentially, until it starts to pay off. The sooner you decide and set sights on a project that you'll enjoy and make you some cash the better.
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>>5438930
I make coomer art, I tired commissions but people want stupid niche fetish shit "I wan't you to draw a tranny with 4 dicks whose shitting on a loli with progeria" After a while It wasn't worth it, I wasnt having fun with commissions so I stopped. Im thinking of just making a project. Possibly a porn game.
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>>5438855
I make 100 a mo th with only 7k followers they must be doing something wrong.
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>>5438859
>>5438878
Based. Keep making these imbeciles seethe.
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>>5438855
Look at what they're doing and what you're doing.
Are they paywalling porn ?
Do they have a webcomic, an ask blog, or anything that generates high customer interaction like twitch streams or something ?
Are they a woman attracting simps hoping 5$ a month is a way to get noticed more than those 1$ cucks?
Are most of their followers underage or from poor countries, and thus don't have credit cards or spare money to spend on trivial shit ?

"making it" isn't about drawing well, it's about drawing well and boring as fuck market research, economics and advertising like any other sort of self-employment. Fuck, get good enough at it and you don't even need to draw well
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>>5439093
Take a look at their tiers as well, some are somewhat misleading.
For example some artists will do an 80 dollar tier that gets you a monthly sketch for example. This will boost your numbers but in reality it's just a sketch commission slot.
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>>5438855
The bulk of your income as an artist is through commissions, not a bunch of people subscribed to your patreon in the $1-3 tier to unlock a few more lewds and the right to vote on your next work.
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>>5438855
no joke, 300 bucks at no extra work for patreon other than what I usually do anyway..is actually pretty good for me.
and no I'm no 3worlder I just prefer to live in cheaper places taking advantage of my stronger currency
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>>5438906
i'm at 21k thinking about doing Patreon when i'm bigger and your post made me realise it might be possible to do it right now. Do you mind if i ask you what are your tiers and rewards?
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at least you're making money
I don't even have anyone in patreon
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>>5438855
"tru artis drow ohwn stile listen thay haert and do only autentix arrt"
If these retards don't give money to you or others artists they follow, don't listen.
Being an artist is rude + Being an independent is rude = Being an independent artist is a fucking hell like no one can realize.

Conclusion: if you're not rich and you have talent try to get a job.
It means take safe direction in your art style, learn teamwork, dead line, following an artistic director, etc, deal with constraints and licence.
Good luck!
And don't listen retard, they have no idea...
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>>5438855
>Nsfw and 75k
>Still only $300
Jesus, man needs to work on his marketing skills.
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>>5438855
Also don't take advice from this site
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>>5438855

I want to see this artist work.
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>>5438952
I am you, anon. It sucks trying to monetize when most of the things you like people don't care about. I wonder if I should just market to women's interests instead...
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>>5438855
Can you use your brain you stupid nigger?
Muh doing something wrong. Followers are easy to get. That shit doesnt equate to how much you are earning. Audience are very generous in giving likes. They dont pay shit.

If they have that much followers with that much money, the conclusion I can come to is they do something that appeals to mass audience, out of all that dragging 63 patron willing to open their wallets, seems reasonable ratio. AKA they arent doing something that pander to audience that willing to churn big money
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>>5438859
>>5438878
what do you want? Just nobody to say anything? Do you even like 4chan?
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>>5438855
you think kids have money?
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>>5438859
>Stop talking about things related to the topic of the board
you're dumb as fuck. don't like the thread? don't click on it, as simple as that you schizo.
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>>5440534
You think they don't? Parents will pay anything to keep their children from bothering them, Fortnite and GTA V have made empires from that very simple fact
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>6k followers
>"Oh woe is me I'm so smol!"
Try less than 50, then you might have some room to complain about being "small and obscure."
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>>5439325
You might as well make the page right now, it's not like there's a flat monthly fee to have one
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>>5440564
all artists who can't make a living by selling their skills are in the same boat - we'll all eventually succumb to the daily grind of working a job on the side and give up on making it. doesn't matter if you have 100, 1000 or 10000 followers when that happens.
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>>5438855
Honestly this lines up pretty well with what you see for most artists. You can expect only like 0.001%-0.005% of your followers to support you on patreon, if that much depending on how much your fans like your stuff and how enticing your rewards are on patreon. Case in point, Sakimichan has 2m followers and only 10k subs, and she has the biggest fanbase on patreon for artists. Ilya Kuvshinov also has 2m followers but only 700 patrons, because you have to pay him weekly and the rewards suck. He still is making ~70k a year from Patreon alone

Just because Patreon is the only real way you can see how much money an artist makes (other than NFT sales), doesn't mean that is their only means of making money through art. 76k followers is a big enough following to start making some decent money through commissions and print sales, maybe even a book kickstarter. If that artist isn't already trying to do that then they're leaving cash on the table
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>>5440751
It's basically impossible to get to 76k followers within non retarded amounts of time assuming you start today unless you draw porn or you have a massive paid boost.
Organic reach is basically non existent today. It was dropping by 20% a year in 2016.
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>>5438855
Look for other outlets instead of social media fast-food commissions, the real money is in stuff like concept art commissions for professional projects and such.
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>>5440842
Make better art and get better at marketing crab. There are countless artists with 200k+ followers it’s not that hard if you are actually good
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>>5440751
it genuinely feels jarring to see a thought-out post on ic
>>5440846
sounds awesome, this is my goal if commissions don't pick up and let me pay bills. do you have any experience? I'd struggle to think about what to put into a portfolio, would you seek out a commission opportunity and make something relevant to it? does it even matter?
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>>5438855
I'm surprised everyone forgot to ask the obvious, but can we see an example of this artist's works?
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>>5438859
Marketlets btfo
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>>5438859
>>5438878
Based
>>5438871
>>5438881
>>5438921
>>5440389
Cringe
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>6k on Twitter
>$800+ a month on patreon
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>>5438855
Stop thinking follower count is proprtional to income lol
https://www.patreon.com/Eskoz this guy has like 7k followers on twitter and look at how much he makes. Like >>5438859 said though you probably won't get very far if you don't do research by yourself and work your ass off. Good luck!
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>>5442109
Really this is shit...
Actually even a good product is dificult to sell, there's no way it makes 6k/m.
Tricky.
I don't trust internet's metrics since I start to understand how it works.
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Stop being lazy and take commissions.
20 years ago, people didn't have patreons to bail them out.
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>>5438855
You're probably entertaining children and also asking to share some of their lunch money with you.
Target adults, not porn but things businessmen and hobbyists would enjoy and would throw an hour of their work away to support you if it's interesting or good enough.
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>not porn but things businessmen and hobbyists would enjoy and would throw an hour of their work away to support you if it's interesting
So stop making easily digestible content that most would like, to appeal to the one wagie that would consider a one time tip for your art.
Yeah that seems reasonable.
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>>5443113
he is making this much because he is making weird fetish 3d animations that are closer to real porn. While everyone else is making mediocre drawings and paintings that aren't nearly as easy to fap too. Pretty genius honestly
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>>5443481
Those comfy SoL comics like bike cuck, the cat mom and other comedy strips seem to be doing all right.
Then again they also sell t-shirts, I feel that's a source of income nobody bothers with these days
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>>5438855
if only there were other ways to make money with art on the internet
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>>5443759
shhh don't tell them about nfts, keep the environment fud going
i'm almost at 80 ETH selling these kek
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>>5443789
What's the content of the NFT's you're selling?
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you cant hand out everything for free and expect people to donate out of goodwill
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>>5438855
Follow the cutesexyrobutts method.
https://twitter.com/cutesexyrobutts
https://www.patreon.com/cutesexyrobutts

BE A DRAWING MACHINE
You need at least over 900 finished images posted online
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>>5443789
You can't buy food or pay rent with crypto.
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>>5444602
Yeah, but the guy gets paid 12k a month to exist.
If i got TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLARS a month for EXISTING and drawing titties, i'd be constantly putting out stuff.
And he even does commission work on top of that.
All he puts out is 3000% worth the time and effort he puts in.

If some nobody started putting out at the same rate as csr, there's more risk involved with that, than benefit.
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>>5443418
Hundreds of years ago patrons existed :]
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>>5440534
>you think kids have money?
you only need 1000 true patrons paying $1 or more dollar a month
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>>5444811
that's a risk you have to take
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I have ten(!) followers on DeviantArt. The German government pays me 1000€ per month doing nothing. So I just draw what I like and don't give a fuck. Based or cringe?
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>>5444830
based
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>>5444829
Might as well jump off a bridge, it would hurt less.
>>5444830
>The German government pays me 1000€ per month doing nothing. So I just draw what I like and don't give a fuck. Based or cringe?
Same here.
Based, because you don't have to wörk.
Cringe, because you won't ever escape hartz4 or make any living from your work since all you'll earn you'll give to the government.
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>>5444602
I’m not that familiar with this guy. Does he draw hardcore stuff or is it all just erotic pinups?
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>>5444864
Posting pinups to lure the underages for clout, paywalling the tamest sex stuff you've ever seen.

I personally still don't get why people pay for stuff like this.
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>>5438855
moveth to Ukraine
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>>5444909
You just described onlyfans
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>>5444923
I don't understand that either.
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>>5444830
Why
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I have 6k twitter followers and almost 600 patrons.
These things don't scale together, it's about where you apply effort.
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>>5446054
How do you apply effort for patreon?
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>>5438855
I'm at 50 subscribers and have 10k twitter followers. There is no correlation between those numbers.
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>>5438855
follow count is irrelevant what really matters is engagement.
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how do you fuckers have 10k+ followers, none of you can even draw
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>>5438855
>https://twitter.com/mikkinsfw?lang=en
>3.7k followers
>atrocious art
>94 patrons and I remember they had like 300 dollars per month before they removed the statistic (I don't own a Patreon, but you can hide that, right?)
Really, just pander to disgusting porn. Unless you actually have standards, then just become good at a certain thing then sell your skills.
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>>5438855
I have far less and I make far more, find your niche
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>>5446357
Well, it's a girl drawing coomer art. It's not just because of the nsfw, her sucess is due to her pussypass.
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>>5444811
Sherlock fucking holmes. CSR started as a nobody too, dumbass.
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>>5446357
>female
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>>5446357
lmao thats just sad
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>>5446357
Holy shit, $300 a month? They have officially made it.
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>>5446357
>it's a female girl
There's your answer
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>>5446357
you don't make in on Patreon by pandering. Even if you're a girl and a legion of simps starts paying through the nose hoping you'll accidentally show some feet.

What you want is some way to make paying you seem worth it. Nobody will ever just drop a dollar or two in your hat for charity, but they will if you assure them there'll be some more content tomorrow or some extra special content you don't show poorfags.

Ever seen those charts showing the "top 10 artists" on patreon which tell you Sakimichan is the queen of art, followed by others like that Lilydusk, kinkymation and such ?

They're all bullshit, the real Mack Daddy is some guy named Jeff.
he draws like this.
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>>5446644
Cool
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If you hadn't blurred their username, I could actually analyze them and help you understand why. I can tell they're coomers tho, because that's definitely the 18+ emoji in their username. But here are some theories

>their patreon is new
>they promise patreon content, then don't deliver on time or lack behind it. like people who just finished their March rewards in June.
>they don't promote it well or often enough
>they only post something once or twice a month.
>they're selling shit on patreon that they already post publicly, so there's no point. (you'd be surprised how many idiots do this)
>they're very inconsistent, and may even skip some months, or gone on long hiatus. ((((the most likely))))
>their rewards aren't worth it.
>their art is fappable but bad quality
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I should have asked this sooner but whatever

SubscribeStarfag here, since the point of SS was to basically have the original Patreon before all the BS changes to it, did you have to set all of your pics in a way they would be accessible per tier, or, from what I've read, each tier that cost more would just automatically "unlock" the lower priced tiers so you have access to them and the tier you paid up to?

My question is, was this how it worked or do you really have to assign every post you make to every tier you want them to be accessible to? Because it's kinda confusing to understand if I wanted someone access to a tier 1 stuff if you unlock tier 2, would that happen automatically or do I have to state "this post will appear in tier 1 and tier 2, etc etc) every time I make a new tier. Or am I over thinking it and subscribers can just unlock multiple tiers at once, making it far more connivance? Sorry for the long winding question, it's just kinda unclear how this works on these paysites.
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>>5446644
That comic existed for as long as the public internet. Every shitty webcomic that stands up makes money on the sole basis that it was there when nobody else was. Virtually every webcomic that got somewhat visible from the early 2000s is getting free money on the sole virtue of being popular. The majority of them give no rewards and have terrible messes of a plot designed to go on forever.
Everything online was derivative as fuck but there's a tipping point around 2010 where the only way is the sakimicancer way. You can't do anything but that anymore.
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Kill yourself, reincarnate as a decent looking girl, wait for 18 years, and then make an onlyfans account.
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>>5446164
Well do you care about # of patrons or # of dollars or # of dollars after rewards? Because those things don't scale together either. I can only give you ideas about what I would improve if I were you.



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