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Post paintings, drawings, sculptures, or artworks done in traditional media for critique or feedback.
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>>5598751
went to figure painting
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>>5598752
did two paintings at this session, it was three hours of one pose
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WIP.

Gouache ink and watercolor pencil.
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>>5598752
Begone Cumfarti
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>>5598751
not enough people sucking your dick in the current trad thread huh?
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>>5598752
The figure is so well painted. There is great brush economy in the figure - how you let the streaks of white through to indicate highlight. But I don't like the background. It's just thoughtlessly filled in like a stiff color without using any brush economy like you did the figure. The figure and the background are two separate paintings.
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>>5599283
I get the impression you've heard the term "brush economy" before and really wanted to use it in a critique but don't have an idea what it actually means. Brian is a good painter in principle but his problem is he's fucking lazy, not that he doesn't use enough "brush economy". If anything he could try being a bit less "economical" with his paint handling.
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>>5599359
Sounds right
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Some dope trad
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>>5598757

I feel you’re being a little literal with your colour choices. The perspective is nice, especially onthe beams, but for example the colours of the trees kind of take away from that and look amateurish.
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>>5599390

Rad
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>>5599359
Huh brush economy means being efficient with the handling of the brush and not overworking the painting. I am pretty sure that I know my stuff.

Also, you agreed with me when you said Brian should be less economical with his painting as you pointed out that he is economical.

I don't think you should assume that everyone here is a newbie. Well everyone might be, except for a few people. I don't know.
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Idk how to clean up my trad stuff digitally without it looking pixelated
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>>5598751
Acrylic newb, want to get good at light and shadow.
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>>5599390
I really enjoy this. Especially the teeth and the cyborgy pcb trace looking things.

>>5598752
I love how the faint white bits make it shimmer and the amount of detail captured with broad blotches. Some more detail on the background shrubbery would go a long way imo, but idk, it could by an interesting stylistic contrast.

>>5598757
This is beautiful. I'm practicing perspective, landscape, and architecture drawing, this is inline with the kindof stuff I want to be able to do eventually. I really like the trusses on the canopy, the lamps, and the vague detailing of debris on the bridge. You're way beyond my skill level but I do think it'd look nicer if the tree roots were a bit more detailed. All in all 7/10 from me.

>>5599661
Dope, I'm from Michigan (outer metro Detroit area), is this some small town up north? I like the overall atmosphere especially the low gray clouds. Really captures the general drabiness I think plagues a lot of this state. Midwest emo vibes.

>>5599721
That was my second acrylic painting, this one
is my first ever.
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>>5599759
>is this some small town up north?
Supposed to be in Waterford by the high school. Been feeling homesick so tried to draw the street I used to walk on to school
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>>5599759
>>5599764
Also I just wanted to add I'm glad I managed to capture that "drabbiness" you were talking about. I feel like Metro Detroit in particular has this sort of depressing gray atmosphere, but I actually miss the aesthetic and feel of it. I was aiming specifically for that. I might make it some sort of trend for myself drawing scenes like that and just sticking generic sad anime girls in them
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>>5599769
I’m from Connecticut and Bridgeport is like that too in mood. Very industrial and grey
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>>5599775
I used to draw buildings in Bridgeport until my friend that lived there was like Brian you’re gonna get stabbed please stop
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>>5599769
I think it's the wide roads with sidewalks to nowhere, the overgrown grass, overcast skies, and how spaced out everything is.

>>5599775
>>5599784
I love Midatlantic/Newengland architecture, lots of neat gilded age stuff out there.
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>>5598752
While her face and the brush strokes look good, it is very clear that at some point you just gave up painting her legs. If it is a timed figure painting exercise there was no reason for you to paint those green blobs. Looks like you gave up on her body and was killing the last few minutes painting that. Stop running away from the things you don't understand well yet, like hands and legs. Spend some time a week to study and apply proper anatomy and you'll be more confident in your next figure painting. Remember: a good painting needs a strong understanding of structures.
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>>5599888
I think there’s bigger problems with the legs than their rendering but fair to me the model was having a hard time standing upright for three hours, by hour two her position on her lower body was very different, but that’s irrelevant. I think in terms of the pose she’s a bit “crouchy” which I regret. That right knee should be facing the viewer. Probably why for the second painting I didn’t paint her legs
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>>5599661
It is normal for scanned black and white lineart to look pixelated after clean up. Most comic book artists I know will even only use the photoshop pencil tool on touch-ups to keep it that way.

An only black and white pixelated image will keep photoshop from applying grays in between pixels while trying to get smoother edges, giving a better result in print. The secret is to draw and scan big to print small.

If you only want to post it online, scan your art in high resolution, clean it up, duplicate the layer, set the bove layer to multiply, and blur it a bit. It should apply a little bit of softness to your drawing.

Not having a gray sketch below your inks will also help. As it is, when cleaning up there will be lots of black dots over your whites where the gray sketch is. Professionals use blue for sketching because it is easy to get rid of it digitally. A good eraser can be just as good.

It is visible that you bullshited a house behind the girl, but overall you're not running from practicing perspective, which is great! There is also a hierarchy in your lines. Nice. I'd only suggest you make the sky white to make your figure pop a little bit more.

I honestly believe that with a little bit of care with your compositions you could start your own comic today.
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>>5598757
I agree that the colors look a bit too literal. It would be nice if we had your references so we could point out the differences between the actual colors and the ones you mixed.

When working with complementary colors like red and green it is usually a good rule of thumb to mute one or the other a little bit. Mixing your own browns from colors that are already in the piece can help too.

the drawing looks very good, tho
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painted a girl from onlyfans
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Any recommendations/tips for learning how to draw with ink?
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>>5600180
Ink is a great medium for self teaching yourself because it’s so unforgiving. I’d recommend looking up a guide on crosshatching since that’s 99% of what you’ll be doing with ink if it’s a pen
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How do you manage to not wasting too much paint ?I noticed that I tend to take a bit too much paint bt fear of not having enough to cover big areas in a painting.
This tent to give a "bumpy" look as well as a messy brushwork to my paintings.
So what can I do to cotrect this bad habit?
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>>5600180
Get your hands on as much pens, brushes and tools you can. Experiment with mark making. Experiment with mark making on different papers. When you get a feel of the tools find your favorite ink artists and compare with what you’ve learned. Are the strokes clean or textured? Long or short? Varied weigh or a single width? Textured work will mostly require brushes and cold pressed watercolor paper, very clean work will be made on smooth paper with pens.

Once you discover where you want to get, start working on muscle memory. Most of the inking process and precision comes from doing it over and over again until it becomes natural.

If you’re an absolute beginner I recommend sketching directly on ink. Feels great and works wonders on line confidence.
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>>5600250
Leave it on the palette, my dude. If you feel you end up using too much paint because you put too much on your palette and don’t want to waste it, leave it there, it won’t spoil. Most paints can be reactivated or kept fresh if covered. In the end, it is better to have a good painting and throw away some paint than to use all the paint and throw away the painting, no?

If your problem is miscalculating while putting it on the canvas/paper, try working on thin layers. Gouache and watercolor can be lifted with a bit of water on a clean brush, oils can be scraped with a knife or a clean brush too. Just try to fix it before it dries.

Wasting paint can sometimes hit hard for beginners, because it sure isn’t cheap. Don’t be afraid of working with student grade or a limited palette to feel comfortable practicing.
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>>5598751
Awwwww, look at that prehistoric child!!!
Artist?
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>>5600087
Did you show it to her? Did she laugh?
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>>5600271
>>5600235
Thanks for the replies bros. I started pic related today, it looks like it's a really good book.

I got some brush pens too, I like Mignola's style of harsh black shadows. Any pointers for that?
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>>5600409
idk
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>>5600781
lmao a fatass
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>>5600409

I'm sure she would feel extremely insulted if he showed her. Even e-whores have some sort of pride. Also Brian you really should kick the habit you have of paying girls to show them your tits. It can't be healthy.
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>>5600812
Who cares
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>>5600827

I wasn't talking to you
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>>5598757
Nice. Careful at the tree's color, it's repetitive
>>5599390
Really awesome
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>>5599661
>>5599784
nice
>>5599721
keep going , you can gmi if you don't give up
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in the middle of completing this one

it’s only my second painting i’ve ever done so there’s probably a lot of stuff that’s fucked up with it but i’d appreciate any feedback so far

PS: i haven’t yet added any details, the mop bucket is missing wheels, the woman cleaning doesn’t have a face, the big gray smudge is where i wiped a fourth admirer but still need to place him back in and i didn’t use a ruler for VPs which i very much regret

PPS: how do i paint window glass
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>>5598752
great work
>>5601353
small details are the least important part imo.
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>>5601593
Is she picking her nose?
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>>5601593
which is why i was asking for critiques and feedback now before adding small details

and it was a heads up that it wasn’t complete
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Is portraitfagging and realism the only way for trad? Don't want to stop drawing SF and FS cause they were sole reason why i started drawing so is digital the only way out?

bonus question :how do you get lighting for your work's photos? I have absolutely no conditions in my place whatsoever so any tips?
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Done with this now. First real attempt at oil painting.
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>>5602313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf6O70T21As
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>>5599390
Better than Brian
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>>5600087
All of Brians references are porn. Dude that’s copyrighted material. Brian is a pirate and a coomer. Ywnmi
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1 hour oil sketch I worked kn back in july
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>>5598751
eyyy, im dropping this one is from last year
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>>5598751
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>>5602313
>Is portraitfagging and realism the only way for trad?
Dumbest question I've heard on /ic/. Just draw what you fucking want
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>>5602374
Good brushwork, but where the fuck are this face’s proportions? A solid under drawing could have gone a long way to make the painting better. Mind your values too, to avoid getting your values “muddy” your lightest dark should never be too close from your darkest light.
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>>5601353
I feel like the figures aren’t well integrated into the perspective of the space, but if your intention is to bring a feeling of not belonging or isolation it can work in your favor.

Honestly, I have seen pieces very close to yours in museums and curated shows. If your goal isn’t to get good at realistic draftsmanship, but to paint about daily life or your thoughts I’m sure there will be an audience just for that.

I like your choice of colors and values. Keep practicing!
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>>5601593
Was it a live model or do you have photo reference? It looks like you painted her nose and mouth in profile and the rest of her face on an different angle. Her eyes are misaligned too.

The background has such cool textures, why don’t you apply some of that on the actual portrait? She looks very flat in comparison
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>>5602629
Thanks for the feedback!

The main critique I get from people usually has to do with my figures. I think it’s because they look like botched attempts at realistic figure painting/drawing but their form is totally intentional by me.

Realism is a technical skill i don’t possess but it’s also one I’m not striving for.

I appreciate and admire people who have that level of ability. But personally i think the end results tend to be very boring and uniform. Instead, i try to capture how i feel rather than what i see and i don’t feel that i can capture those feelings with realism.

To be honest, I’m still not entirely capturing those feelings but i’m hoping that practicing while help me get there. Isolation is one of those feelings i was going for so I’ll take it as a step in the right direction.

Lastly, if anybody is still reading my adderral ramblings, i just want to acknowledge that people who make realistic art are much better painters than me and i would embarrass myself if i attempted to do it. It’s just a style that’s not for me.
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Chatcoal from life
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I do love sculpting been trying to learn on my own the last year or so
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>>5599721
lol half picture is fucking floor
go study van gogh
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>>5598752
u arent terrible
go study morandi and diebenkorn and learn to get the fucking feet in the frame
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>>5600087
choose better
learn to compose
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>>5602374
le mystical cunnilingus
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>>5602906
sweet
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>>5602968
Same man. But I have no idea how to paint them properly.
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>>5603011
nice
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>>5603011
CUTE

i made boobs in pastels
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I can’t get good lighting with my camera
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>>5599407
>>5599759
>>5600060
>>5601204
Since everyone mentioned the color sameness I just want to let you know that I've been washing some pthalo blues into the scene to provide some richer color variety to the underpainting.

Hopefully when I start adding the more opaque layers it will have a greater variety of color and nuance. I'm also working in some Hookers green in spots to get a contrast to the blue-grey colors.
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>>5599721
Why would I study the work of an artist who was a failure and only became famous because hipsters fetishized the tragic artist archetype after his suicide?
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>>5602981
>>5604467
woops
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Speed sketched this outside a cafe just a little while ago.
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>>5603011
good base color like a brown or gray then i usually do a heavy dry brush of white on spots you want to be lighter then lots thin layers usually the initial base coat will show flaws that you can fix before continuing
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>>5603011
Also attempting to make a carcharadon space marine atm for my brother ignore the tiny head
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Phil hale study
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A squid. Any Constructive Critique?
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>>5604467
he wasn’t a failure in his time thats a misconception.

he’s also not fetishized by hipsters. he has too much mainstream success to be revered by hipsters. hipsters fetishize outsider art

but even if he was a failure, you could still learn from it

your post is proof that you have much studying to do
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>>5598757

Progress. Still a lot of muddy and clunky sections I want to clean up. Think now that I've got the BG mostly painted in though I'll work on getting the roof and railings of the bridge done.

Then I'll probably go over and polish up the background, finish the lamp-posts, and leave the boardwalk for last, since it's at the bottom of the image and I don't feel like smudging the paint around any more than I have to.
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>>5606800
Hey looks pretty good
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>>5604467
looks good. I like when backgrounds are kind of sketchy as opposed to using perfect, clinical lines. adds character imo. also you're a more patient person than me, I fucking hate drawing/painting buildings.
>>5604532
looks dynamic, very good balance and movement. would love to see this polished.
>>5604925
dude are you fucking serious?? that's amazing, the musculature is so goddamn impressive. please keep us updated.
>>5605492
the mood of this piece is great. I appreciate that it's stylized without resorting to the uwu animu style. nice work.
>>5605497
it's a good squid. my only recommendation would be more dynamic shading, darker shadows, etc. either way he is friend shaped and I like him.
>>5606800
beautiful. the amount of detail is very impressive. the muted reflection on the glossy bridge, the way the tunnel is purposefully left dark to give a sense of foreboding... top tier shit.
>picrel is what I'm working on today. a generic horse to hopefully sell to some normie online.
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>>5607748
>looks dynamic, very good balance and movement. would love to see this polished.

Thank you. The image popped into my mind and I figured I had to get it onto paper before it faded. Think it took about 15 to 20 minutes. I'll probably trace it onto watercolor paper and paint it eventually.

>beautiful. the amount of detail is very impressive. the muted reflection on the glossy bridge, the way the tunnel is purposefully left dark to give a sense of foreboding... top tier shit.

Thank you. I actually blacked out the tunnel with a posca marker prior to even shading or painting anything, because I wanted to ensure that the interior of the tunnel was an inky void from the beginning. Only problem is that posca paint is slightly shiny, so I'm adding some matte finish colors over it to black it out when scanned, and blend it with the rest of the environment.
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>>5607748
Thanks. Beautiful horse.

>>5606438
I agree I definitely need improvement I'm just wondering why Van Gogh is particular why not Edward Munch or Rembrandt
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Ahh, traditional; the medium which forces you to live with your mistakes. It's a good thing though; if you can't get rid of it, you can't forget it, meaning great opportunity to learn from it. I'll always love traditional even though I do have digital tools/software now. Did this picture after 3 months of not drawing anything, and the rust shows in a few areas. Nothing too major, and I can fix it when I get to digitally coloring this.

Worst part of traditional is getting a good photo, though. Holy FUCK it's annoying, and even the best pictures I can get look way off from the original, especially with big sketchpads. Paper's too big to scan. I feel like I need a special set-up or photography room just for the sake of getting good art photos.
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>>5607910
>Ahh, traditional; the medium which forces you to live with your mistakes.
you can't be expected to be taken seriously if you post what looks like sonic fanfiction accompanying your text
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>>5608019
I can, actually.
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>>5602490
Really nice stuff! How long did it take you to draw?
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Playing around with new inkpen and new water color markers.
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putting together a small collection
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Figures from imagination
>>5607748
Do people really spam buy horses brother? I'd suggest some abstraction in your brushwork in your background
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two boats
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got a little more done on it going to try to bulk up the legs then start on the chest and shoulder armor
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>>5609956
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Got our first painting class at school yesterday. Used acrylic and the canvas is about a meter tall. Had a lot of trouble getting an even surface.
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>>5599390
Reminds me of Cryo Mera

>>5602490
Really like this
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>>5609957
>>5609956
Got some more done still needs some bulk had to redo the hand the forearm was just too long
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>>5610603
also working on a cyberpunk figure for another person
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>>5610603
>>5610604

Where do you get your wooden ‘anchors’? I want to sculpt to but i don’t know where to get a foot for the armature, if. I go to home depot stores they can cut wood but it will be too big... how thick should it be at minimum?
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>>5610736
I just got my hands on some plywood for cheap thats about it these are about an inch thick my sculpts range to about 8 inches
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Cross stitching anon
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>>5610872
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>>5610604
"Carcharodon spotting Heresy near the Eye of Terror"
Battle of Thicc Cheeks colorized
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All thats left is the cityscape and a bit of polishing
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>>5610752

Thanks mate. I dig your stuff a lot.
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My 4th try with guache and acrylic underpainting
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How do you shade effectively with pen and ink? Whenever I try it just gets messy and looks horrible. I struggle a lot especially with mid tones and shading dark objects.
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Mostly done, probably wont stop fiddling with it for a while though
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>>5602313
SF stuff was trad for ages, befire digital hit anon
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I'm neurotic over how long my drawings take. For some reason big projects stress me out. But it's not like lurking a Liberian beach lavatory forum or watching youtube is very constructive and I do that for hours on end.
Guess I'm afraid of failure so I don't want to commit time to something that might suck.
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>>5611625
Then work faster, learn to make a painting in 30 minutes. You can be a quantity over quality artist
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>>5611634
I like to work in ink, I love how it looks, but the hatching takes such a long time.
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>>5611639
Then work looser, hatch quicker. Maybe you could do more gestural work if the tighter rendering is frustrating you
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>>5611645
That's a good idea.
Maybe use washes if I feel I need value over large areas or to do some rendering.
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>>5611386
holy shit thats nice
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>>5598751
My Warped Heart
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>>5610990
Values for the lighting look nice
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>>5609900
Go away, Brian
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>>5611652
thanks, here's the finished version
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>>5611817
Nice
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this was the model at figure drawing tonight
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>>5612509
these people don't shut up about Sargent at this academy and then this is the fat piece of shit they bring in as a model. If Sargent showed up somewhere and this was his nude model he'd kill himself
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>>5612509
Pffffhaha oh no
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>>5612629

just because you can’t paint the subtle flesh nuances doesn’t make it a bad model. The e-whores you paint look awful too, it doesn’t matter if your model is good-looking or not, you turn them all into horrific deformities anyway.
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>>5612509
How long was the pose?
I'm going figure drawing this sunday, it'll be short poses with the longest being 10 minutes. Really looking forward to it, it's always a lot of fun and you learn so much from it.
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FUCK
I bought this ages ago from amazon too, so i can't return it
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>>5612629
>calling the model a fat piece of shit

you really are just terrible all around, cumfart
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>>5610604
Cyberpunk guy is coming along
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>>5612509
Donald Trump, my mannnnnnnnnnn!
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>>5602472
I enjoy its simplicity.

It's a bit frustrating in a way that sometimes, appreciable paintings aren't those that requires sophisticated work and/or plenty of time.

30min/1h plein-air sketches induce a specific mindset strongly contrasting with everlasting still-lifes/figure studies; they have a certain freshness.

It reminds me of the gongbi/xieyi opposition in traditional Chinese painting.

Whatever I suppose :-)
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>>5611817
Looks great! How long did it take?
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>>5613598
I have been trying to capture light in order to work on larger projects. That’s 1 PM in early July . The violet smudge is a blue heron that flew by at the time
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>>5613818
Good idea; I think there's a limitation for the size of plein-air (for most of us, some people just can't be reasoned with).

I think 15×11cm in 30min is a good training exercice, really forces you to get to the point, especially with complex, intimidating scenes. Trying to use a single brush all along is a great to explore its possibilities.

Overcast days are, literally, a blessing from above for training. Light is relatively stable at mid-day too but in the summer, things can get warm…
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>>5613925
I took inspiration from Church’s sketches. I used panel instead of primed paper. I have to find a good source of shellac if I want to paint oil on paper.
I want to do some snow scenes, But I cannot tolerate frostbite
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>>5611746
blog?
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>>5599784
that guy is an idiot. a really big idiot. tell your friend he's an idiot.
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>>5602968
>>5609956
>>5610604
Why are there so few anons into trad sculpture on this board?
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>>5614615
I feel its a bit difficult to start since a bad armature will ruin everything
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>>5613707
about 3-4 days
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>>5614723
Don't do a full figure at first. You'll have more fun doing a face, a bust, or some anatomical detail such as a hand or a foot.
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Will trad stuff eventually be wholly replaced by digital art?
Do you think there'll be a point when people start moving more towards trad again or is digital so convenient and efficient that it'll eventually push away trad wholly?
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>>5615022

No. Just like real books will never be fully replaced by ebooks.
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>>5615022
I doubt it, trad stuff still has that unique appeal where it cannot be duplicated by hitting ctrl+C.
There's still a bunch of unique properties that cannot be emulated digitally.
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>>5614005
Yea I use panels too, MDF or plywood. Do you use the shellac to seal the paper, below a few coats of gesso?

Perhaps for snow, painting inside, through a window and/or with a more "portable" medium? There's snow once every 5/10 years where I leave so I never had the opportunity to even try.
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>>5615427
I know that F. E. Church and orger 19th C. Painters primed their paper with shellac. I’ve tried applying acrylic graso to paper, but it always seems to warp. Paper is cheaper and more portable than pre-primed panels. I can’t find oil paper where I live.
I think i will have to take a short break from painting as I need to find a job, and my class requires a great deal
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>>5615454
A great deal of time
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I'm still wayy below beg at this, and I feel like I'm missing something for proportions. I put in my habit to check distances for almost every line I draw, but there's always one shape that falls out of place. I had the eyes and hair pretty much spoton here, even the mouth's position, but the nose ended up crooked to the left and I didn't notice until after I finished. I wanna keep practicing till I can get studies pretty much perfect, and any tips are appreciated.
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>>5615863
reference
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>>5611817
Tres basé mon ami
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>>5615454
I'll give this a shot; I built a quick and dirty case for 2 panels, but that's limited and bulky. Perhaps something like Santos' setup could do.

FWIW, you may want to stretch the paper before applying gesso;more generally, paper warping is a common issue for watercolorists, for which they have developed solutions.

Good luck for the search!
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>>5615863
There are various issues, but this is a very difficult exercice. Especially portrait, as mistakes will be easily noticed.

If you want to improve "quickly" on copies, I would suggest to look into beginner-friendly Bargue plates.

Try to understand how to perform/what is a line-based block-in: that will help establish global proportions better.

Overall, try to copy them as accurately as you can, taking your time;this is a slow process: working 15h on a drawing will almost always lead to a better result than 2h.

The rendering (shading) is progressively introduced in the Bargue book: beginner plates have nearly none, but even there, try to be very careful: there are a lot of subtle, tiny nuances, in the values and edges.

As you eyes develop, you will gradually perceive them more easily.

https://barguedrawing.wordpress.com/300-dpi/
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>>5616336
What's a line-based block-in? Google doesn't give anything
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>>5616334
Jeremy mann made a setup out of a cigar box
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>>5616548
See for instance plate I-6: the drawings on the left are "line-based block-in" : the basic, global proportions are captured by a set of straight lines.

It's usually easier/efficient to change proportions in such a block-in that it is in a more rendered work. Such a block-in has its limitations, but it's a good first step if you're starting.
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>>5616586
Handy, but small-format only. No perfect solution I suppose!
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>>5616238
>>5616236
I prefer the plein-air one; it feels much more subtle and varied in terms of shapes size.

Also, the second one feels overall feels a bit more rushed, but that may be an illusion. The central focal point is clearer, but I think it's not supported enough by the rest of the painting.
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>>5617141
I usually go for lines to fill shapes after, but I haven't tried making those lines simpler too. Sounds like a great tip, I'll try it in my next study
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So i wanna start learning landscape painting with oil paint soon but i have problem with supplies, i don't know which oil paint brand to buy, every course i have come through recommended really expensive ones and since i know I'm gonna grind and fuck up a lot i want a low budget acceptable quality oil paint , what brand do you guys recommend ? . and also what medium ? thanks.
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>>5598752
Begone Cumfarti
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>>5618073
You don't necessarily need a medium. I painted for 4 hours last night without one. Just used a tiny bit of turps to thin the paint if I needed it.
I always recommend W&N artists range but it can be more expensive in the US, where Gamblin seems to be the replacement in price factor. Most top guys like Seago, and Schmid, used W&N yet alot on here say those paints aren't good enough. They are, the world's most expensive paints won't make you paint the best.
Something to thin the paint for the early stages, maybe Liquin if you want it to dry faster. Couple of reds, yellow and blues, and white.
Go for it.
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>>5617155
Thank you brother
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>>5618073
To expand a little on >>5618205:

Highly pigmented paint (e.g. Old Holland) have pleasant qualities, but they're so expensive (e.g. ~50€ for 40ml of cadmium) that it be psychological burden. And the cheapest paints contains so little pigments that they are, from my experience, much harder to control. So something in between is indeed preferable to start with.

Using mediums with highly pigmented paint is, beyond altering the paint's behavior (e.g. drying time & liquin) interesting, because the paint can be stretched.

With W&N, Rembrandt, etc. mediums are mostly interesting when layering, need some thin paint, or when you try to alter the behavior of the paint.

Using mediums with the cheapest paint just make some soup that is even harder to control.

If later you've got the money and better skills, I would advise to try highly pigmented paint, see if it suits your character/way of painting.
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>>5617282
I would advise to train to make a few such line-based block-in. When you're confortable with the method, you can try to make shape based one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jczrAB1_M6s is a nice example. This can be done with graphite, but is better naturally suited for oils.
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>>5618306
>>5618205
Thanks for taking your time anons to explain. this was really helpful !
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>>5615863
if you want to copy 1:1 do it on a grid at least, more reference points
if you want to learn how to draw try construction, the face is made out of 3d shapes while your stuff doesn't even connect
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>>5619542
construction?
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>>5619550
consider reading the sticky and whatever they have on /beg/ before posting on /ic/
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>>5619554
Should I move to construction this early? I feel like I'm still well in the copying part, but using a grid would be a crutch
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>>5607910
This looks like some really "non-conventional" metal album cover, awesome stuff
Also, nice comment
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>>5604532

Rough color pass. Water-soluble Crayons. I'll go over it with Gouache later.

I just wanted to see how feasible using Water-Crayons as a base-coat would be. They're a lot of fun to work with, but I haven't been using them as much as I want to, so I figured this was a good piece to experiment with.
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>>5619971
wow
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>>5619636
Using a grid is a valuable exercise, just try it out. Another good exercise is slowly tracing the contour of something you see without looking at the paper or picking up the pencil. It's a rather popular thing to assign to students I've heard.

Construction is about proportions and being able to understand what you're looking at as far as "small" objects are concerned. Anything bigger you also need perspective for, but that's basically noticing the angles you see IRL, and putting them on paper while keeping the vanishing point in mind.

Whatever you do, drawing with a pencil is a basis for everything else. Even if you posses a natural aptitude for some other medium (which is more likely than you think) getting better at drawing will make you better at everything else.
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lead eater reporting in
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>>5598751
What would you guys do different or change about this? It looks okay enough, but I feel like I can do better.
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>>5620199
Sweet tiger. Do you usually draw animals? What about the fur texture? He looks a little too smooth
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>>5620240
make the front fork longer so it's possible to drive it? apply color?
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>>5620319
Cool. I'll do that next time. Coloring these takes a lot of time though. Feeling pretty lazy. But the front fork is a good observation. Thanks.
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lost the light and the shadows on the grass before I was satisfied. Not even sure if it reads at all.
>>5615454
try thick rag paper thats what this is, doesn't warp much at all.
>>5620240
I think you can get a convicing effect if you only draw the contour lines where there is a hard edge. I suck with pen and ink though so feel free to ignore me.
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>>5620266
I mainly draw characters. Animals are like my side hobby in art and a good kind of exercise to get me to draw from real life (instead of robotd aliens and monsters).
Abt the fur texture, desu I make things up a long the way. I do know a bit about rendering fur but Id rather block it all in and leave the darker value here and there. My other attempt at fur is almost aleways messy bcuz of this
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>>5619550
>>5619636

To build on >>5620095, "construction" is about simplifying/understanding/feeling the volumes of the things you want to draw. As the simplification process typically involves cubes and cylinders, one needs to understand perspective. Perspective's effects will be dramatic on buildings (big objects), but even on small vases/cylinders/glasses, you can see the ellipses' width change with height.

I would argue that the distinction between copy and construction is blurred when you actually want fine form rendering, because such fine rendering can only be achieved in you properly understand/closely observe the form.

If you pay attention to the joined Plate, in the light, there's a lot of subtle variation of value which allows to properly represent form on paper.
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>>5620240
Depend on what you're trying to achieve. As-is, the "rendering" is quite stylized, so there's naturally a poor sense of light/shade/form, but that seems to be by design, and there's nevertheless some harmony in the outcome.

Perhaps you could try to vary the texture so as to better represent the different components/materials of the bike?

Or, as an interesting intermediate step, make some studies from e.g. Guptill's book, or Alphonso's. And then, incorporate some of their technique to one of your drawing?

Another exercice would be to work with no under drawing, straight with ink; it's a bit difficult at first, but it gets easier.
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>>5619011
I like this a lot
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>>5614615
trad already sucks up too much space without adding a third dimension to your storage problems.
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>>5614615
I feel like I want to make a small sized heads, and then a small figure. Mainly with the intention of lighting it up nicely and then painting it. I like how lighting on statues looks, plus it's better than painting from photos.

Is this a good idea? Do I just buy clay or some plastiline? I'd sculpt something, paint it, then reuse the material.
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>>5620738
What book would you recommend for construction? I know Loomis is shilled around here but I've also been recommended Huston's Figure Drawing for Artists
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>>5621193
read less practice more, there are about 1 billion videos about construction on youtube
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>>5621193
I think "construction" is often a bit loosely defined, because the term is used both by people doing academic and imagination-based drawings; there is some overlap in their understanding, but they do use it differently.

I've bought Huston's book; it's quite good, but it aims at relatively "quick" drawing and/or imaginative ones.

If you aim at academic things, then go for Bargue and look for what they do in Russia (look in the archive/MEGA/libgen, there are/were a few books on the matter)

If you're looking for drawings to copy more refined than Bargue and have some money: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/5904957041/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i6

And as >>5621215 said, practice really is key. If you choose a book, then try to get the most out of it. Reading two pages of Loomis, 10 of Huston and doing one or two Bargue plates, 2h per plate, won't get you far, but copying every single drawings (10/20min per drawing) in Huston or Loomis and doing 10/15 serious Bargue plates (10h+ per plate) will definitely get you somewhere.
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>>5600036
>>5599661
What dpi are you scanning at? I try to do at least 600. It might be too low so that when you adjust the levels it gets all jagged.
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more oil on paper
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Has anyone tried Mont Mart oil paint ? what is it like compared to Winsor & Newton Winton brand ?
Unfortunately since i don't live in the US or EU Winsor or other similar brands are very expensive, almost double the original price. Same for shipping.
So the only affordable ones are monte marte.
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>tried some old fixative i inherited
>sprayed it onto a page in sketchbook
>whole thing just smells like chemicals now
is it just the age, is it always like this, or am i retarded?
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>>5623408
glue smells, yes
learn to enjoy it
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>>5620663
don't draw so small you are crippling yourself
this drawing looks like it's like 2x2 inches
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>>5617148
holy fuck that is CUTE
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>>5598751
Love toned paper
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>>5623818
miniatures are a thing, there is nothing wrong with painting/drawing smol
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>>5606800
Your values are a bit flat, check them in a B&W camera app. Quick and shitty animation
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>>5623820
And then, there's *that* guy: https://youtu.be/Rj_9_oHSlMU?t=362
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>>5623824
looks great
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>>5624801
HAHAHA fucking chad
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>>5624801
"Impasto" but he smoothed out all the paint until it's a big glassy mess

Same model tonight
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Did a copy of magritte as a gift
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>>5626244
i like that you did impasto for areas, magritte always painted flat so you distinguished yourself

i painted human female breasts
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Digilet trying to move over to trad. Any good books or anything on mixing colors? I have the general idea but it's taking me a really long time to get anywhere with it currently. Using acrylics and matte medium to start off.
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>>5627156
do schmid's color chart exercise
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>>5627176
Perfect thank you!
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>>5598751
Slowly but surely
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>>5627792
back view hes got pants now and detailed the arms a little more just to lazy to get a pic
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>>5627156
Oils may be easier to start with, as you can really take your time to mix colors. If you try to focus on color mixing, matte medium is likely to be of limited use, unless you try to experiment with transparency.

As an alternative to the slow "drying" oils, there are mediums/additive to slow down acrylic drying time too (e.g. glycerin, if you put too much, things will never dry IIRC).

Gurney has a few tips about exploring paints/colors: https://youtu.be/6OH_LUBM6qw

Trying to mix a neutral gray from different manners is an interesting exercice: for instance, I have a burnt umber that is slightly too yellow, so when mixing it with ultramarine blue, I often need to add a touch of red to neutralize that small greenish tone and get to the neutral gray.
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>>5598751
purging filth https://youtu.be/69KdcczIzXA
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>>5602374
2nd attempt. Underpainting for Rembrandt study.
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>>5626848
Why don't you use a big soft brush and smooth out your backgrounds?
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>>5623824
What are you using for the white?
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>>5620782
Smaller = harder.
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>>5627793
just gotta fix the pants and fill in some empty spaces a bit more muscle detail then hes good to paint
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>>5629336
true in more ways than one
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>>5600087
>>5600781
Absolute trash. I liked your pastel boats though.
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Started Joseph Todorovitch NMA oil portrait painting course and this is my 2nd try with oils
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>>5630158
learn to draw portraits first, in the meantime paint landscapes or something if you really want to breath in turpentine
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Went life drawing this morning. Didn't go too bad considering I haven't drawn in well over a year
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>>5630209

Don’t be a crabbing dick, let that anon have fun, he’ll get better along the way and he’s following a class.
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>>5630280
be a little more gutsy in your markmaking, you’re too wishy-washy, no reason to be afraid of messing something up
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>>5630286
Charcoal is a better medium for striking life drawing. Working up to using it again. This is an old one of mine
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>>5629880
Those pastels are the top results on Google images for “nautical pastel painting”. They’re far and away my most popular internet images, excluding what does well on Reddit. Reddit just wants nudes
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>>5630394
did another boat pastel
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>>5630501
these are so much cooler than the nudes
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What style would this be, if any? I had nothing in mind when painting this, it emerged quite differently than expected.
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>>5630854
child's painting style?
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This is only my third painting so i’m not sure if i can post here or if i should stay in /beg/ but i tend to not get replies there
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>>5631050
Lmao
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>>5631050
>>5631052
not sure if you’re laughing at my post, at my painting or because of the jokes i put in my painting
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>>5630951
Why do you say?
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>>5611817
thats pretty rad
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did a watercolor concept for a piece I want to start painting in oil. canvas piece will be a lot cleaner, hopefully, and have better value. it still needs a lot of... everything really. but im still going to paint it and give it a go. wish me luck
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>>5630302
fuck charcoal and fuck conte.
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>>5630158
You may want to try with a smoother surface; that may be more suitable for finer rendering. (e.g. MDF panels).

The hands are much less rendered that the face.
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>>5630854

>>5630951 is a bit rough, but there is some truth. To be fair, you choose quite a complex subject; as such, you naturally have much more room for mistakes.

To be more specific:

1. There's a lot of sharp edges; you may want to learn how to add variety to that. This can be practiced on a sphere, in black and white.

2. The values are too similar. The blue of the sky, unless you have a night scene, should be ~the brightest area. A good exercice would be to try to draw the same subject on a small surface, using 2, up to 5 values (tones of gray), ignoring all the details. Try to make a few ones, and see if you can get a harmonious value composition out of it. I invite you to look for what a central focal point is.

3. The hues overall are too saturated / on a similar saturation level. Nature is more subtle. Learning to handle grays from Nature is a key competence.

4. Trees are hard. The small ones are decent, but the big one is a little caricatural. Try to get out, take a graphite pencil and do some tree studies from life; this should help. Some master studies could help too.
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>>5630854
>>5631843
~continuing: alternatively, and perhaps this could suit you more: try to make a line-based drawing in ink, and put a few watercolor washes on top.

Your style is closer to illustration than it is to realistic art.
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>>5631050
You could try to better render the form. For instance, where the text here, there is basically one piece of text per plane. Each such plane could have a slightly different value.

You could repeat that process here and there.
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>>5620782
I had the same idea at some point. I think it can be worth trying, but don't underestimate the time and effort it'll take to get good at sculpting. There's definitely some overlap with painting/drawing thought.

Perhaps buying a few casts in second-hand shops in a better option. Or going to museum/parks.





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