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>Previous Thread:
>>5648753

> Rules:
Any artist over 25 that wants to improve their artwork, and wants to post their work for critique.
No 'neuroplasticity' posts please, only positive vibes.

> What This Thread Aims To Do:
Provide a thread for any late bloomers, and positive motivation for any 9 to 5'ers looking to change their career into being art focused. Feel free to add any links worth mentioning for future threads.

> Great Links For New Starters:
https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/ (Goldmine for art learning, and wonderful wiki page to learn art techniques)
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn (Great page to learn how drawing techniques)
http://www.ingetang.com/praxis/old-master-drawing-bargue-gerome-drawing-course-iii/ (Old master drawing Bargue Gerome drawing course)
http://www.michelangelo.net/drawings/ (Site showcasing many of Michelangelo's drawings)
http://www.peter-paul-rubens.org/drawings/ (Site showcasing Peter Paul Rubens' drawings)
https://www.deviantart.com/mldoxy/art/How-to-Trace-Reference-Material-608858281 (Pretty decent tutorial on how to trace digital art reference material)
https://quickposes.com/en (Site dedicated to showing poses for quick art reference)
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/the-anatomy-of-the-human-skull-baf6ac7b781a46218dca2b59dee58817 (Online 3D model of the skull)
https://sketchfab.com/demoon/collections/ref_anatomy (Online 3D models of human anatomy)
https://www.deviantart.com/tag/senshistock (Great stock photo resource on DeviantArt for use in practicing gesture drawings)
https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo (YouTube channel that showcases live human models for anatomy studies (NOTE: 18+ only))
https://www.fineart.sk/ (One stop source for human anatomy references for 3D and traditional artists)
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supposed to be /30yo/
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>>5664122
>3yo
oh, now I understand why there's a bunch of cry babies on this thread waaaaah waaaaah
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>>5664122
I find it ironic that the 30+ thread can’t used a computer.
>typos the thread subject
>can’t be bothered to delete said typo’d thread
>uses the same OP image
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fr tho these boomers do be kinda poggin
nocap
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26 years old here. Do I need to wait 4 years until I begin drawing?
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>No 'neuroplasticity' posts please, only positive vibes.

Imagine arguing with science. Artistic talent is a myth but age dependent neuroplasticity is not. Young people learn faster and more comprehensively, especially when intuitive physical skills are concerned (art and playing music). This is a fact of life that’s backed by peer reviewed neuroscientific research. Once you're in your 20s it's over, give up on your dreams. Your brain’s ability to make new neural connections will get worse and worse. Dreams? You can draw some shitty anime porn or play some 12 bar blues if you'd like to settle and cope but the fact remains, you fucked yourself out of them through inaction.

If you just started a few years earlier and took practicing seriously you could at least have hope, but now you're just a fucking loser wasting what little useful life he has left and no fancy drawing tablet or intense loomis lessons will fix that.
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>>5664249
based
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>>5664249
>not knowing how to draw shadows
pleb.
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>>5664249
Keep being a dumb doomer wallowing in self-pity. Sounds highly enjoyable to waste away posting about neuroplasticity on ic.
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>>5664249
post her feet
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>>5664249
post her sweaty armpits
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>>5664249
post her shit stained bumhole
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30+ years old? Why would anyone thst old even be on 4chan? Anybody thst pathetic should probably have killed themselves by thst point.
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>>5664301
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>>5664301
based and blackpilled
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>>5664122
These mostly 1 long session works each, except bottom right.Inktober and Gobtober are a bit demanding. Mixing them together will prove... stimulating. Welp, lemme have it
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>>5664545
>30+ years old
>drawing anime
>looks like shit
give up.
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Does neuroplasticity apply to relearning? I was amazing five years ago, had to do some other things. Kept drawing on the side but not nearly enough. Now slowly building back up and learning some new tech that I essentially knew, but did not apply the same way. But so far my biggest road block is just the creativity.
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>>5664556
Thanks, ill try even harder.
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>>5664573
I feel sorry for you.
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>>5664140
> Doesn't read 'Rules' section
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i drew a boob once on the stall in my high-school bathroom, therefore I started early enough to beat neuroplasticity
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>>5664545
youre doing great! keep going and studying anon
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>old-master-drawing-bargue-gerome-drawing-course-iii

>old master
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>all this permabeg cope

There's a reason why companies prefer hiring people who in their early twenties
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If you’re over 30, and you don’t have any skills, then that sucks for you. You shouldn’t give up on life or anything. But you have lost neuroplasticity, and it is going to be hard for you to ever really get good at something. I’m not going to pretend that isn’t true, because I think it is important for those under 30 to grasp the fact that they do have a window that they are working in to gain a real masculine skill, similar to the way a woman has a window she is working in to have a child.
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>>5665567
This. Neuroplasticity is not a meme. After 21, it becomes incredibly difficult to learn a creative skill like drawing. After approximately age 16, you'll never learn a language properly, too. This is due to neuroplasticity I.e. your neural pathways becoming rigid as you age

At age 25 or 26, when neuroplasticity drops rapidly, it becomes impossible to learn things from zero such as: programming, art, math (starting from calc), incorporating more vocabulary into your writing/speech, increasing reading speed, proper abstraction techniques.

Plenty of research has been done on this. Just look up neuroplasticity studies on ncbi. If you're under 21, I urge you to study fundies if you're looking to make it in Art. If you're under 25 and want to pick up a useful skill, get started as soon as possible. If you're already in your thirties, find yourself a less technically demanding hobby. The clock is ticking
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I started to draw when I turned 30 and I'm 39 making good progress. It's never too late to start. And if you're curious what I started with I bought Loomis and am still working through it now.
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Fug. Wish I'd seen this thread was up before I went into /beg/.

I'm 34, decided to start learning to draw 27 days ago and, while studying my fundamentals, I thought I'd draw a pokemon a day as a way to track my progress. This is today's efforts.
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>>5665561
How gay is this faggot? I'll tell you, HE'S MEGA GAY.

Same with these ones:
>>5665567
>>5665576

Round em out back, and fire when ready. These retards don't realize Sam Hyde is a trustfunder bitch.
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>>5665648
Gen 1 is based. Zoomer faggots will never know how amazing it was to buy a Gameboy Color plus Red or Blue and trade Pokemon at school at recess. Saw a few fights break out too, funny times.
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Another day another nude

Top left is autopilot imagination sketch. The rest are copies.
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>>5667129
You'll never make it
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>>5665595
>>5665648
>>5667129

Looks awesome Anons. Thanks for the motivation, gonna plan on doing some sketches later today.
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>all this neuroplasticity shit
I tried to go through drawing on the right side of the brain when I was 17 and then again when I was 21. I did vilppu a few times back then as well. It was so hard to learn though because I was really ADHD and I didn't know how to stick with anything, so I would just try it for a few months and then quit. I tried again when I was 26 (that was about 3 years ago) and by this time I had learned how to focus properly on things. I've had more progress than I ever had when I was younger.
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>>5667129
look at your proportions more anon. Otherwise, love the linework
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>>5664301

Because 4chan was created by and for millennials when they were young. If anything, why are you on here zoomer, go back to tiktok.
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Posting my Inktober drawings so far for 30+yo representation here. I'm using this month to not only work on my creative process but also on my techniques and looking at all kinds of references and other artist's works. I think today I will do something with Futurism.
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>>5667638
Thank you, this this this. These Zoomers will wake up one day and realize Sam Hyde lied to them. But let them be miserable to themselves and never find out.
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>>5667677
Looks friggin awesome Anon.
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A drawing for the baby
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>>5665576
boomer bros
let's get our shit together and show these zoomers what we are capable of
sure our brains learn at a slower pace, but we already went through much more things than the zoomers, we already learned what they still haven't and that puts us in an advantage


>>5668648
my advice is focus on aesthetics. Forget about construction when you are drawing cute things
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>>5668648
That's cute, love it.

>>5668665
End portion is decent advice. What I do these days is thumbnail a piece out in a square. Then in the next enlarged square I do construction. In the final square, I do the actual drawing without construction since I don't care if its exact as this builds more and more confidence. Would recommend this.
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>>5668665
>boomer bros
>let's get our shit together and show these zoomers what we are capable of

I definitely want to. Working on figuring out a good old camera setup, as I miss using my sister's old Sony Cybershot, and would rather use a camera that could dump images directly onto Linux than use a botnet phone. Pretty sure I could just write a Bash shell script to look for any 'MMC' based SD cards and automatically rip images using 'rsync'.

Old problems require new solutions :)
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>>5668648
>>5668665
made an example heehee
its a bit weird but you get the idea
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>>5668739
ugh colors turn to a mess when I take photos of my drawings ):
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>>5668749
I have the same problem. Debating getting a better scanner setup to do quick scans.
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>>5664122
look at this thread >>5668564 We're all gonna make it 30+ year old lads, there's still hope!
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>>5664249
Your brain doesnt lose all ability for neuroplasticity at 29 retard. It declines slowly. You can still learn new shit just fine well into your 50s
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Here's my progress picture so far, a few weeks ago I started trying to make the transition from drawing to painting so the stuff on the far right is the most recent. Started drawing at 26, almost 29 now. I doodled as a kid, but nothing serious at all until 26
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>>5669556
Good progress
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I looked at some portraits i painted in the past and they look like shit. I can see it now because i made better ones but its unsettling that i thought the bad ones were good or decent at the time.
It feels like im being delusional and i cant really trust my own judgment. What if the ones i made afterwards are also shit but i didnt 'see' it yet?
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>>5669731
I think that both perceptions are true. It's just that your eye improves and is able to notice and magnify the flaws easier. If you look at your art and think that it's good then it is good for where you are right now. I'd be more concerned if you could look at your old art and not see big problems with it since that means you're not improving.
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the average age on 4chan must be increasing as 4chan gets older
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>>5667665
This.
>>5667638
While Neuroplasticity *is* a thing, its not *that* important of a thing and how much it affects people is on an individual level. Ie, its never too late to learn something; more difficult perhaps, but never too late.
>>5669556
Lookin' good, dude.
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>>>5669731

have a listen to this, its very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6yK1e_ZUZY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEG2ZwzVNL8
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a pastel sketch I did recently
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>>5669556
Amazing progress Anon. Proud of you.
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>>5671311
Wow, looks great. Love the color balance, and the focus on light and shadow in this.
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>mentioning neuroplasticility in the OP
why would you do this? it attracts shitposters who samefag because it reeks of insecurity, get rid of that shit next time a thread is made. the fact you even thought to include it in the first place is bizarre. i've never seen anyone except shitposters on this board talk about neuroplasticity so stop thinking it's an actual subject of discussion.
i'm about to hit 30 and am about to get my first industry internship in art so i wish you all the best of luck, but for the love of god please stop being insecure about neuroplasticity, stop replying to shitposters and go draw.
>>5669750
most people on 4chan are millenials who've been visiting a long time so that's not surprising. outside of that the only boost in traffic the site ever noticeably got has been through /pol/ and most of that was gen x/actual boomers.
>>5667638
this has been my experience for many things, i'm a lot better at learning things now than i was when i was in my early 20's.
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>>5671552
Good point Anon, OP should improve the main subject. To be fair to OP, there are a ton of Zoomer trolls that keep copy pasting shit like this:
>>5664249
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>>5669556
Awesome, anon.

I started last year, at 25. Seeing your work is a huge inspiration. Would post some stuff, but I am not at home right now.
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>>5671766
Go back to Tiktok, faggot. This is a millennial site.
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maybe all you have to do improve is just draw
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>>5671766
You must be over 18 to post on this site
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>>5666372
>and trade Pokemon at school at recess
I remember the trades we used to have at summer camp. Feelsgoodman
>be 10
>buy newest gameboy that came out at Toys R Us
>go to nearest local comic book shop to mire all the rare pokemon collections and buy a pack or two while im there
good times
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>>5666372
No, but they would have done & saw things at 10 yo on the Internet that our grand-parents wouldn't even have thought possible for human to do.

And I don't mean glorious stuff.

All those late nights spent hidden under the sheets playing Red, feeding as much as possible on those weak ass sauvage pokemon for hours, or reading Harry Potter for like, the 12th time.

30 is like, optimistically, 1/3 of life. Eh.
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I don't get it. Is this a thread for 3 year olds or 30 year olds? Obviously, OP is a retarded nigger. That aside, I'm unclear on the purpose of this thread.
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>>5671989
it's 4 ur mom fagget
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>>5664122
Ignore the Zoomers here OP, keep doing the Lord's work
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>>5672107
STFU FAGGOT
OP IS A RETARDED NIGGER AND SO ARE YOU FOR SUPPORTING HIS DUMB ASS
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>>5664249
This guy started skateboarding at age 79

https://fb.watch/8xW2jyMoUV/
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>>5671989
Go suck your boyfriends dick youll forvet all about it faggot
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>>5672218
Asian jeans
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>>5669556
That's all of you've done in 3 years? That's like 3 months of progress and drawings. 3 weeks if you're learning full time.
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If you're 30 it should be easier for you to learn how to draw because of life experience and a vast collection of visual information in your brain. You should also know how to learn at this point.
If you can't pick up something as easy as drawing at 30 you might actually be low IQ.
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>>5672751
Three days if you're actually serious about it. Three hours if you have talent. Fuck off.
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>>5672222
How about I suck your dick, you filthy faggot, then you can come all over my face and see how disgustingly gay you are.
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>>5672755
Bitch you need DEADLINES otherwise you'll still be drawing flat images like in 2021 until you're 60 because you never set yourself any goals.
If I told you to learn how to draw a head so good that /beg/ tells you to fuck off when you post it there by the end of this month you'd do it.
But since you're like "well I'm learning to draw la tee da" you'll be stuck in /beg/ for the rest of your life.
I'm giving you until November 1st to learn how to draw a good looking female head. That's your deadline. Not the next 50 years but end of THIS MONTH.
Write it down bitch. Take out a piece of paper and write "I'm going to draw a professional female head by November" and put it on a wall somewhere. Mark each day that passes. Get organised.
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>>5664301
>Don’t forget
>You’re here forever
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>>5672701
Balls. Also, Japanese diet.
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post /30yo/ to trap all the underage trash of /ic/ here NICE
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>>5672751
>https://fb.watch/8xW2jyMoUV/
>>5665561
>>5664249
Same GAY Faggot
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>>5664122
>tfw not 3yo
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If you're not already good by the time you're 30 just quit, you're wasting your time.
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>>5665576
>he doesn't know
ok gaijin
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I'm over 30 but have no desire to improve
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Today I got a bit better at construction, but holy shit, I hate studying

I really don't like loomis's writing style, he writes either way too much or way too little, with very few pictures. Literally all that I ask is a picture book to follow along to, with occasional commentary not a fucking encyclopaedia entry for art scholars every other page. Nigger's constantly reminding me of words and phrases I haven't seen used in over 20-30 years

Looking at those blooks and trying to figure out what the fuck he was saying a page and a thesis ago isn't good for your mental health. He's clearly really skilled and motivated to teach, but boy is he bad at actually teaching.
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>>5675115
Same, exact, problem. The only thing I can recommend is that I hoard art books like most dudes on this board, and would recommend to check out "How To Draw Comics The Marvel Way". I'm not even into comics, but they simplify Loomis style construction a bit, and even encourage slight stick figure construction as well. This itself has been a bit motivating to me, though I actually skimmed "Figure Drawing For What It's Worth", and now that I kind of went through a bit more perspective and anatomy (though I'm not 100% on it), its crazy how much shit he packs in that book.

Is it worth it? Not really. I think they're more for reference books. My biggest suggestion: Find topics you are really interested in, and base your "studies" around that. Ex: I like castles for some reason, don't know why, don't ask me. So, if I wanted to play around with perspective, I search for some reference photos online, try to find the vanishing points of said castle towers, and do the box constructions. Then, I stylize it a bit and make it fun with textures that I see. If I'm unsure of a texture, I made a cube with the texture itself, and try to determine the light source on the cube itself.

I then apply that to the overall castle design with some slight rendering as I HEAVILY use black ink for drawings, and the result is fun. I still suck at construction, and I am TERRIBLE with textures like background stuff (leaves, wood, etc) and things I just don't know.

At this point, I'm going to look at some fantasy art books and also learn how to draw Gundams as I think the type of construction done for robot type people is 100x cooler than trying to do the boring construction forms of normal people.

Hope this helps Anon.
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>>5674592
True, OP fucked up, but I think he had good intentions. I'm sure OP will correct this next time.
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>>5674929
/thread
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>>5671311
I like the way you handled the hair here :)
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>>5677376
Looks good Anon
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>>5664122
What kind of faggot thread is this?
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33y/o fag here.

FYI. All this "neuroplasticity" talk is too narrow of a PoV. There are also other angles to consider. I think some of you who have developed poor health should look deeper into specifically (diet/sleep/exercise/supplementation.)

I can't begin to describe how shitty my brain health has been. It's been on the decline; Noticeably starting at around 25~26. And I've had bad diet/bad gut health since I was 14-15 up til now. It has affected my health. I gained weight, developed memory issues and even epilepsy. I've had anxiety/mental health issues as well. I won't blame my failure to launch on anything but myself. But I'm just starting to realize how much poor health and diet has affected me.

One of the things I'm getting at is to try some supplements. And I don't mean to shill anything in particular. But I started a regiment of supplement called NAC. And I'm noticing a boost toward productivity. It's also said to reduce anxiety/OCD and improve neurological/memory issues. A lot of these things can coincide with our "dreams of making it." So just look at some of the benefits. And there's very little claims of "it's bullshit" on the internet. Overwhelmingly people recommend this supplement.

Anyway, I've started teaching myself web development. And I'm already learning advanced CSS shit, and I'm really absorbing the knowledge pretty swimmingly. Also I've been drawing again, and I see a path to improvement. I've been managing to interlace the two without much issue. I spent one-two hours doing pixel art/sketching/photoshop editing. And three hours doing CSS/website practice. Also I've been posting much less on social media comments as well. I think I am improving somewhat. It's doing something for sure.

I still have four major health hurdles to get through before I can say that my mind has cleared up. weight/gut/sleep/exercise routine. But it's a start! I've been doing this for about two weeks.

Take care of yourselves guys.
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>>5671311
Looks good, Anon!
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>>5679280
Good for you Anon, proud of you.
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>>5678514
It's not a faggot thread, it's a retard thread, given that the OP couldn't even get the subject line right.
So don't listen to this idiot. >>5679280
If this thread (especially the OP) proves anything it's that 30+ is literally too stupid to live.
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I have at least a dozen of figure drawing books alone. Several dozens on art, painting and so on.

What I came to realize is that no book will spoon feed you whatever any successful artist had. Curiosity, anatomy understanding, visual perception, expression and imagination, will depend exclusively on you.

With that said, Loomi's figure drawing can take you pretty far in drawing the human body convincingly. Just don't get too hung up on the guidelines. Take the initiative, have some artistic flair ffs. Do the proportional studies with a coarse graphite stick, pastel or whatever to avoid detailing anytime soon. Play with different proportions, have fund.

Next draw the manikin again without detailing. Paying more attention to proportions and then to the accurate representation in space. From above, from the side, and so on. Play with it, have fun. Once you can draw the manikin anywhere and doing anything convincingly, study the bones and the muscles, how they work, what they are for. Follow the book for what next but don't get too hung up. Have a clear objetive and subvert the methods and tools to your personality. If you prefer watercolours to crayons for some reason, use watercolours!
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How to motivate myself to draw after work?
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>>5679850
>t. edgy 16 yo
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>>5680022
turn off router
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>>5664545
AHOY! Nice stuff, Goblins are especially cute.
I feel like the goblin waifus came out really strong due to your use of lineart, but I think you should definitely continue pushing on that painterly style as I love that crouching goblin!

Try doing anatomy studies and life drawing to push your studies, but turn them into goblin waifus as you go.
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>>5679872
Great advice Anon, writing this down. Thank you. I have skimmed through a ton of the art books so far, and I have come to realize everyone copies Bridgman for some reason. I agree with you in that you gotta keep grinding mannequins first before you ever attempt bones or muscle studies. I can copy anatomy plates like the rest of them but realize my weaknesses in construction. I have found the "How To Draw Comics The Marvel Way" style of simple construction to be super helpful, as well as Loomis's "cape" figure in the "Figure Drawing For What It's Worth" book to be a great thing to grind.

Doing the Lord's work Anon, thanks.
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>>5679872
Any recommendations on specific books, more so on construction itself for basics? As well as page numbers? Reason being is that I have most of the books as well thanks to the Batman Mega on here.
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>>5680266
God, can't you ever do your own research. This is why 30 year olds can't do art.
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>>5680025
If having a subject line that makes sense is edgy, then yeah. I would describe more as "competent." But given how dumb you old people are, it's not surprising you'd fuck that up, too.
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>>5664249
This. The blackest pills are the hardest to swallow.
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>>5681340
Imagining being this GAY
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>>5681349
Imagining.... still trying.... yep, NOT EVER GONNA BE THIS GAY
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>>5681369
You would need to be molested as a child while your neuroplasticity is still fresh to achieve this level of faggotry
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I recently turned 40. I cant draw for longer than 15 minute sessions or i start hearing a sandy grinding noise from my wrist and the burning pain of a thousand suns
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>>5681615
Did you try overhand grip? Also digital does not require death grip. Do you warm up?
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>tfw going to be joining this thread in 4 months
Fuck
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>>5680022
Imagine yourself on your deathbed regretting that you wasted too much time on 4chan and never learned how to draw.
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>>5681725
Life begins at 30, anon
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>>5667677
How it's going so far. I feel I'm making progress.
Never give up, my fellow oldfags!
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>>5681659
I use a regular writing grip. I'll try using an over hand grip and see if that helps. Something in my wrist is fucked.
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>>5681759
Meh. Certainly life doesn’t END at 30 but saying it starts at 30 sounds like a huge cope.
I wasted my 20s mindlessly scrolling through 4chan and reddit, constantly dreaming of the great things I could do and rarely taking any steps to actually do them. Entire years feel like big patches of nothing.
I’m pretty sad and bitter. I wish I could go back to the first year of college and do things right this time. I still have good healthy years of life ahead of me where I could do things better, but at this point I have very little faith in myself.
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>>5681783
Anon, I love this! What a cool comic idea. Love how you storyboarded the idea out and made it pretty cohesive. I'm gonna do something similar but with stills from movies I like. Thanks for the motivation Anon.
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>>5681788
I barely did anything for an entire decade. It's never too late to not give up, my fren!
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>>5681821
But ... uh, it's not a comic, anon. It's just the things the Inktober prompts inspired me to do. It wasn't meant as a comic. But if you think it is a comic ... what is the story to you? I'm curious.
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>>5681788
No Anon, its real. Life really doesn't begin until you're 30 and you've advanced yourself in your career a bit. Honestly, my 20's were all about this grind to figure out where I stand in tech, and its finally coming together after all these years with such shitty commutes for half of it.

You realize how important your time is and what you want to do with life, and where you're going. Its a good decade Anon but to be fair, months go by fast and I really forget what month it is at times as a result of just working. Take care of yourself by spending some time to think. That has been the biggest help for me personally.
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>>5681827
Oh my bad man, I see what you mean. Didn't know it was about the Inktober prompts. Props to you dude, I haven't done the Inktober prompts yet since I've been exploring my own prompts and interests to try different art styles as I was trying to grind fundamentals and anatomy too hard that I realized its better to just have fun and "Just Draw" at this point / add critique notes to THEN look at reference books, not reinforce it beforehand.

Anyway, the story to me seemed like a group of cats that either died in the fan in the first panel or were just marching off in unison to (work or the hive or something). Some cats found a cool vending machine with white masks, and later on, its revealed that even the cats put away their overall clothing which makes it seem like they were spirits the whole time. I really liked the idea, and it fit well as a comic, but now that you mention that its basically prompts, that totally makes sense too. Awesome work either way, love the style of it.
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>>5681832
>I was trying to grind fundamentals and anatomy too hard that I realized its better to just have fun and "Just Draw" at this point
That is some good advice. I did some fundamentals while I still was in school 15 years ago but then never bothered again. Nowadays I try just to have fun with drawing and painting and learning along the way instead of making myself suffer.

Heh, I like your ideas.
In the future I might make some textless comics with these cats, maybe. Right now I'm kinda fleshing out their weird dream-like world. I have always liked the idea of leaving things open for the viewer so you coming up with your own story just from only loosely connected drawings makes me happy.
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Quit my programming job and started drawing ~1.5 years ago at 29. How am I doing?
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>>5681840
I don’t think you needed to quit your job to make this kind of progress in 1.5 years. I don’t mean to disrespect but I hope you are living well and sacrificing anything..
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>>5681840
It's okay looking but it's definitely lacking a real spark.
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>>5681863
How do you get "real spark"?
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>>5681880
By having a vision. Oh, and also by observing the things you like in other artists with a real spark, I guess.
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>>5681882
Can you name artists with a spark?
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>>5681892
I can but you need to develop an eye for that and also hone your personal taste. It's a skill as well. Maybe it's the hardest one to learn.
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>>5681904
>>5681892
Alright, I should try not be as much of a dick as I sometimes am. Here are some of my personal favorites: Zdzislaw Beksinski, Gerard Trignac, Hermann Obrist, Luigi Serafini.
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>>5664249
So medical degrees and courses that take 10+ years to learn, as well as learning and researching for PhD tier academics is just impossible once you hit 20? what a shame. Better tell all the docs to just give up then.

That 48 year old who started painting and achieved more fame than you will ever experience in your lifetime? neuroplasticity dictates she should be reduced to autistic scribbles by that point.

>imagine arguing with science

nah, imagine arguing with retards. Oh wait, I don't have to.
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>>5681949
You're doing it right now, though.
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>>5681959
Yeah, and i expressly acknowledged lowering myself to his level, too.
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>>5681964
Don't do it. Go draw, anon.
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>>5681840
Looks pretty cool Anon. I'm in a reverse scenario where I'm THIS close to getting a Dev job for the NEXT job, and even then, I want to do that part time so that I can spend more time with future family etc.
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>>5681949
THIS, this Anon BTFO'd the stupid Zoomer crab faggot. Dude has never met a single doctor that has done residencies in his life because he's too busy being stuck at home feeling miserable about his life decisions.
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>>5681859
Thanks for the concern friend. However, I have wanted to draw or paint all my life and always found excuses to not do so. I imagine the same applies for lots of people here. I think if you're not willing to sacrifice some of the things taking up your time, you can't compete with the people that do. Actually risking something helped me focus my effort to make some actual progress.
>>5681863
Thanks. It's probably lacking a spark because this is referenced anatomy practice more than it is "the thing I want to make."
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>>5682123
Draw the thing you want to make and then report back to us.
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>>5682126
Guess I'll be back in about a year when I'm done with straight up practice stuff then.
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>>5679280
Check the Huberman podcast for fixing your sleep, I'm 29yo, NEVER had a sleep schedule and it fixed things instantly for me, it's been 3 months of waking up like a farmer.
His entire series is useful, and he mentions Acetyl-choline a lot, among habits, suplements, etc. He always explains the reasons and offer drug-free alternatives, but you can choose to go nootropics if you want. Here's the sleep episode (there are 4 more if this isn't enough):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm1TxQj9IsQ
>gut
If you mean constipation, I solved that by replacing white carbs (rice/potato/pasta/bread) with whole grains (brown rice/pasta/bread and sweet potatoes).
If it's something else, I can't say much.
Good luck, breh.

He also talks about the forbidden topic of neuroplasticity and >>5669436 sums it up well. There are no excuses.
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>>5682158
You can practice AND draw the things you want to draw, anon.
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>>5682165
We'll have to disagree there. The only way that would be true for begs/ints is if what you wanted to draw was studies of other artists or copying reference, which it is not.
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>>5682176
And you can do both. You can apply single things for each piece you make or, if you are less adventurous, switch it up and mix studies with what you want to draw. If you're feeling bad then do five studies and one piece that is true to your heart. Or are you afraid that you are not good enough for the things you want to make? You can always redo pieces later.
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I'm glad I never married and had kids, only free time I have is after work/weekends, kids would definetly hold me back
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>>5682197
>tfw on one had you want a partner to do some basic shit like paperwork, taxes etc. for you
>but on the other hand she might want kids and that would hamper your artistic career tenfold
Fug.
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I recently turned 30 and I think that the last five or so years of my life have been the first ones of my life when I have actually been able to study things properly. Not just drawing, but other things too. I have more patience and I think that it's easier to break down big problems into smaller sub-problems. I did draw in my teens and my early 20s but it was very unfocused and aimless. I have made more progress in the last two years than I made in the 10 years before it.

Recently I have mostly been drawing clothes, sketching usually looks pretty good but I still need to find a way to make good looking lineart. It's really difficult and even many great artists seem to take shortcuts with it.

Idk if I'll ever make it in art but I think that I'll get pretty good if I can keep this up for a couple of more years. I just wish that I had more time to practice.
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>>5682206
looks good anon
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>>5682202
I want to die alone, I don't want to buy period pads and change shitted diapers
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>>5682163
>Check the Huberman podcast for fixing your sleep,
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm1TxQj9IsQ
i definitely will. i'll be listening to it while i run some errands in a bit.

>gut
>If you mean constipation, I solved that by replacing white carbs (rice/potato/pasta/bread) with whole grains (brown rice/pasta/bread and sweet potatoes).
Oh I mean the phenomenon of the microbiomes. rice/pasta/bread are definitely worth dropping. but fixing gut bacteria through probiotics and yeah proper diet. Check out this video to see what i mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzPD009qTN4

really eye opening
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>>5681880
you don't need to worry about "spark" when you're doing studies. just get that knowledge in and then get out. what you are doing is fantastic. it's hard to believe you've reached this level in about 1.5 years.

i understand what the other anon means by "spark" though. Basically keep studying other artists. Not just the style. But the types of subject matter they're into. See why it's appealing, and apply it to your future work. And just stay up to date with trends. Like it or not, this will bring longevity with it.
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>>5682325
Noice, I have only recently found out about the enteric nervous system on my own when investigating my lack of energy, and I was amazed to find out our "brain" is spread through all organs and that 90% of serotonin is made in the gut.
Take a grain of salt when it comes to this channel as it tends to be very doomsday-preaching, but I get it now.
Had a friend recently overcome his gut problem by stopping with probiotics and alcohol, turns out he was allergic to the "medicine" (yogurt) he'd be taken to recover from a gut flora crash over 2 years ago. It's been a month and a half since the change and he's way better now, avocado oil made him hyperactive (good but also too much to sit down and concentrate), so now he's dialing it back.
I for one hate experimenting with food because I can't be assed and I'm poor, but it's good to know all this information, so far the sleep schedule and eating schedule changes have already improved my life considerably.
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This thread is intimidating and motivational
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>>5682206
permabeg 30+ here but I fucking love the lines and how this has been executed.
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>>5682206
Very confident line work
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I haven't read much of anything but 30+ reporting in and I'm always confused about people talking about neuroplasticity getting worse etc.
There's not even a competition regarding the amount of connections a brain like ours is able to make compared to one of a younger person. Learning is incredibly easy to me, granted I'm fluent in 3 languages (including an asian one) which certainly has helped me a lot getting rid of retarded preconceived ideas people often fall in head first.

Just look at the state of the /ic/ catalog and all the clueless people endlessly wondering about "how to learn art", still not grasping that this is not the right question because their mind is unable to comprehend or get close enough to understand the nature of reality and art as a whole.

If you're older and feeling hopeless then responsably look into psilocybin.
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I second that notion of not including the word "neuroplasticity" in the OP from now on.
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>>5682857
Will do, thanks for the suggestion. I messed up with the title as well, sorry Anons.
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>>5664301
Most 30 year olds that were on the internet and into nerd stuff were here during the times of moot. I find it weird that you’d think 4chan would only have overgrown man children with no life experience filling posts with their failures and depression.
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>>5681783

The creature is cute, anon.
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>>5682952
Thanks. :3
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>>5682176
Expressing your knowledge is crucial part of any learning process. Also a great way to assess your skill level and see what you need to work on. It does not have to be something grandiose but you still should try to do the kind of work you're expecting to do in the future imo
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>>5682827
>>5682684
>>5682214
Thank you! I think that linework is my strong point (and also my main interest in drawing). I just need to focus more on its clarity, ie. to minimize the amount of unnecessary lines and small smudges
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>>5683786
Also meant to say
Links
-Handprint.com
-Google Arts and Culutre gallery
Books
-Hegels lectures on fine arts
-Kandinskys Concerning the spiritual in art
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>>5683794
What did me mean by this?
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>>5683953
The links are good resources. The books are if u want to know what art is 0j8ma
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One of the best things of being older is that you can finally get all the art books you want because you have the money. Here is my haul from just today. I went to several bookstores and got some new books and some second hand books.
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>>5683786
sauce on the image? looks really good.
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>>5684275
True, but I usually swipe PDF books left and right to save money to be honest. Though, I know the Bridgman ones are keepers btw.
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>>5684613
I used PDFs back in the day as well but the prints in most books are so much better than what illegal files can deliver.
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Also, having tons of art books is peak comf.
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Made this at 22. Am i safe?
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>>5684744
Pretty awesome Anon.
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>>5684744
There are certainly things to do better here but I also think it looks pretty cool.
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>>5684749
Give me some ic critique anon, I’m looking to improov
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>>5684752
The fences look to small for me and the background is weird as well but I have absolutely no clue about perspective and other anons will have to confirm. And then the the rightmost downward line from the planet not going straight down looks pretty weird in a bad way. The face could use some more work as does the hair. The clothes and things on the ground look pretty good.
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>>5684744
What does your work look like right now?
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>>5684779
Well this is my latest

For what it’s worth I turned 23 about 3 months ago so by 22 I meant beginning of this year
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>>5684787
Looks honestly a bit worse.
Also, who are the artists inspiring you?
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>>5684789
Bacon, Magritte, De Chirico
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>>5684793
Alright, I can see it. Most of that art relies more on ideas than on proper use of perspective, I guess. It's one of the things that has always bothered me a bit when looking at their artwork. I like my Surrealism a bit more "real" but I also hate how shallow most Popsurrealism is. It's hard to find a middle ground.
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>>5684787
Love the lighting on this, and how chromed up everything is. Cool stuff, what do you use to render this? Is this purely 2D or are you also using Blender?

This would be cool with different color schemes and lighting effects, but the black and white vibe is neat too.
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>>5684752
Colors are a bit muted and cold. I would re-examine the palette on this and add a bit of warmness, either in the color of the sky (sunset, etc) or a warmer light on the lady herself.

The perspective is good for the fences. But if you want to show depth, have something far in the distance or at least leading up to it. Slight cues like a huge tree or mountain can give you a sense of depth without even noticing it. Ex: Bob Ross did this all the time in his tutorials at the very end but didn't really slam it in a beginner's face that its meant to show depth.
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I'm 29 and still think about trying to make it lol!
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>>5685135
making it is a mirage in todays art world

if its not about refugees, feminism or anti-white it won't get picked up by anyone.

Do art for you, it's the only way. Doing anything to "make it" is a toxic mindset even if you do make it.
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>>5685151
Honestly, I don't care about being big, I just want some decent skills and some friends.
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>>5685154
If your pic rel is yours I don't think you need to worry about skill. Besides, look how many artists made it big since the 20th century making trash. As long as it looks good to you and you enjoyed making it thats all that matters.
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>>5685154
What kind of friends are you looking for?
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>>5685264
BE MY FRIEND ONEGAI
I NEED VALIDATION
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>>5685151
You forgot about coom, anon.
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>>5684299
Fuck you
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Year ago / Yesterday
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I gave this a shot. It's meant to be Mulan
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Also tried to bang this out
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>>5685355
gj anon
I think the hair needs work
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>>5664122
All in going to say is that you guys get fixated on the weirdest ideas and concepts here. Literally JUST DRAW, don't worry about how old you are. Even thinking about that puts an artificial limiter in your own mind. You're knee capping yourself before you even begin
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>>5684744
genuinely very soulful. there's something wistful and reminiscent about it that reminds me of rene magritte paintings
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>>5685272
Sure thing. Just how would we go about it? I still consider myself a beginner.
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>>5685421
Good eye! I’ve loved Magritte since middle school. His work is strangely beautiful but also makes me laugh
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>>5685486
>>5685503
>>5685272
Would it be beneficial to maybe make a Drawpile board for this general?
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WIP. I like to do little ink fantasy illustrations, usually <4in large in the corners of notebooks or paper scraps. Big enough for some messy detail but small enough to get away proportional or lighting fuckups. People tell me they're cool and sometimes ask to keep them.

Trying a hand at making something bigger and with pencil.
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>>5687322
Looks cool Anon. One minor idea I could maybe give you is to get a cheap light table from Amazon. You could scan in your drawing, and re-print it after blowing up the image in GIMP or Photoshop. Then, you could use the light table and ink it afterwards. Might get you into ink drawing too.
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>muh neuroplasticity
just do magic mushrooms once a month and your brain will be in 17 forever lmao
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>>5687553
Prove it.
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>>5687565
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6082376/
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>>5672766
Actually good advice.
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>>5683612
I have a lot of problems with linework, can you give some advice?
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>>5682325
This is fantastic. I wonder if there's a market for fecal transplants from young, healthy, talented artists.
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>>5687606
based. the first thing im gonna do when i make it is a fecal transplant. but i hear you have to be careful. some people aren't compatible with other people's bacteria.
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>>5687589
I think that good linework mostly comes to down to confidence. If you know what you're drawing and what purpose your lines are supposed to serve, they tend to look good. Try to pull off good lines in just one stroke and try to always have a clear purpose for each stroke you do. Understand the subject matter, the shapes etc. and draw clear lines. Try not to draw on top of lines you have already drawn, if you feel the desire to do it, you should just erase the previous line completely and draw it again. At least for the purpose of practice try to be very strict with this.

It's also worth noting that there's more to good linework than just getting the shape of the object right. Lines also portray emotion and feeling, depending on how they are drawn. For instance, if you look at death metal band logos, they're often just abstract messes of lines, but they also have a lot of feeling in them. It's one of those things that are better felt than explained, but if you try to draw "cool" looking lines on a paper, you will eventually get a feel for it. Experiment with different styles and see what sort of feeling the different lines give to you. Some things look better when they're a bit shaky, sometimes you want very straight, robotic lines and so on. When drawing an explosion, the lines should probably be very energetic, but for a heavy box sitting on the ground stable lines would work better.

These tips aren't really set in stone though. I know that some good artists actually draw their lines little by little, especially in digital art. Sometimes scratchy lines look good! A lot of it is about finding your own style and then developing it. But in general, knowing what you're drawing and how you want to portray it makes linework look good.

In digital art the brushes you use also affect your linework way more than in traditional art.
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>>5687691
Thanks for the tips. I think it all boils down to confidence then. I'm always trying to find the correct placement for the line, so I keep drawing over it until it gets confusing. I'll force myself to draw one line only every time, at least until I can get past this.
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I'm starting to think that I'm not going to "make it". I've learned a lot in the last two years, but not enough. I think of all the beautiful things I want to draw and realize that there isn't time. My wife, child and especially job are huge gains goblins. And I'm to blame too, because even when I do have time to draw I usually don't feel like it anymore.
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>>5688554
>My wife, child and especially job
I'm so sorry, anon. ;_;
While I think you can still make it in 20 years when the kid is gone, it will nonetheless be hard and frustrating.
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>Turning 31 in a week
>still permabeg
fuck
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>>5688554
You can do it anon, sure family and work takes time, but you still have slack hours in the evening you can spend on art.
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>>5688554
>I usually don't feel like it anymore

There's your problem. Do you FEEL like going to work everyday? you never treated as a job, it's okay for it to be a hobby man, if you still feel it's not treat it as a job and make time for it. No one "made it" by just a feeling, if it were that easy everyone would be artists.
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23 yr old here. I'm trying but fuck is it hard.
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>>5688554
You can make it. Focus here and here. You went for a full side profile (which looks bretty gud) and then it's like you shifted higher in your seat after you finished the head. Try focusing less on one part of the drawing and more on the whole before going into more detail.

Drawing from life is tough, not just because the subject might move around, but so do you! It's hard to keep the correct perspective and it's not even a skill issue.
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>>5688554

Just don't go too far into thinking your family at the very least is a gains goblin. While it's obviously going to chip away at your drawing time, that kind of thinking will eventually run the risk of you despising interacting with them because you'll spend the entire time wondering how much "more" you could have done instead.
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>>5681840
Is this what people keep calling rendering?
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>>5689979
You're doing better than me, so there's that.
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>>5681788
I'm 21 years old, what's the hardest pill I need to swallow right to do better in my own life?
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>>5688554
Anon, there are people here (me) with no family, no friends, and we'd kill to be in your position. It's even more demotivating to have the time for hobbies, but noone to share it with.
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>>5664301
To dunk on faggot zoomies, like yourself, with my superior wisdom and life experience.
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Anybody here got any good tips on how to handle the hair is this painting?

I'm trying to get the texture right, any advice on how to do that without using customized brushes?
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>>5688554
that's a lovely drawing, is it yours?
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>>5691409
Get an education/training in a field where there's jobs, and decent work/life balance so you can do your hobbies outside work, without worrying about money. Don't throw money away on stupid shit like a way too flashy car, or generally just surface bling that doesn't matter. Put money away for later, or retirement. Whatever you can, even if it's very little. Just start investing, get rid of debt. Being in control of your money is not boring, it's how you have a good life. Keep in contact with your friends. If you want to get good at something (art), remember to work on it regularly, because life is only going to get busier. You will still have time later, just not as much. Unless you go full NEET, but I wouldn't recommend that. Exercise twice a week, try to get 8h sleep. Take care of your teeth. All the boring shit you already know and have already been told. There's a reason you've been told and already know.

Try to do most of that, at least 50%, and you'll be fine.
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>>5691477
Ok, thank you, Anon. I'll take this advice to heart.

I'm currently in college for programming. I'm trying my best to get a balance in my studies, hobbies and physical exercise, so I'll see where I can factor in investments into my life.

Is working abroad for a year in an IT department a good idea? I have a background in IT and Computers so that I could at least be computer literate for office environments (trying to be more viable to potential employers).
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>>5689979
I like your frog. I forgot what that kind of frog is called, but I used to like them as a kid.
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>>5691446
This doesn't just apply to your hair but more to the picture as a whole.

I'm kinda getting the feeling that you are painting on a transparent layer, and your painting doesn't look that good because you are worried filling in the gaps will mess up your cool brush strokes.

Generally, try starting with a giant simple brush to get the base value down right. Wait with cool brush texture stuff until afterwards.

To see if you are ready to move on to texture and detail, zoom way out or squint. If the picture looks good this way, it's safe to say the general shapes are correct. If it looks wrong way zoomed out it will keep looking wrong even if you add cute brushstrokes.

To answer your question, the hair texture should at least match the direction the hair is going in. Her hair is swept up, your hair is swept down.
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>>5691612
Ok I see, thank for the advice, Anon.
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>>5691612
>>5692736
I did this painting with two layers only, should I try using more layers?
I tend to confuse myself when I use multiple layers for a Painting.
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>>5687531
Man I ain't gonna invest like that. Hell, I don't even like digital art that much, it just feels lacking something. And when I say ink I mean shitty ballpoint pens. I just like the way they work and they're literally everywhere. Feel spoiled just getting a hold of a nice gel pen. The true common man's tool.

Call me a Luddite.
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>>5692804
For greyscale images I would just use two (bg + character), but I would make sure the silhouette is painted in 100% opaque before I start shading it. My greyscale sketch looks like pic.
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>>5694110
OK. yeah.
I'll keep that in mind, thank you for the advice.
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Do you guys get inspired by seeing decent progress or is it discouraging? I have mixed feelings.
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>>5694380
Definitely inspired.
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>>5694380
It makes me feel lazy and hopeful at the same time.
I like seeing decent progress yes.
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How can I make sure that I am actually learning a skill?
What's a good way to keep improving?
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I can draw anime eyeballs all day, but man do I suck at drawing heads, and loomis still isn't clicking for me
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>>5696458
If you can replicate it from memory, if you can apply it to similar things
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>>5696458
Tests and practical applications like how you learn any other skill.
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>>5697162
Try tracing them with a light table, which you can get for super cheap on Amazon. If you're into digital, just add the Loomis diagram that you're grinding onto a new layer, lower the opacity to around 30 to 40%, add a new layer, and trace it ontop about 5 times during a session, and come back to it during another session. It takes a while after grinding to piece it together, but what I've found is that by tracing, you get in the mindset of the dude who made the artwork to begin with in terms of the planned strokes on how to actually do it.

>>5694071
Dude, a light table is like $20 to $40 on Amazon, they're super cheap, and once you figure out how to use them effectively for final prints, you'll understand that they are invaluable comparatively. I've been actively using them to do my final ink work on pages in my current sketchbook, and the quality compared to the last sketchbook ramped up a good 5%. Sounds like nothing to you, but to me, a quality increase of 5 to 10% every sketchbook I do means A TON to me. It means progress.

Also, you don't have to sperg out and get super expensive ink pens either. I've been using the "G2" pens from Amazon which I got for like $8 I believe, and they're doing just fine. Way better than typical ballpoints imo since the feel is a little better. I'd say invest in your hobby, and you'll want to do it more often.
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>>5694401
Same, its truly inspiring. What has helped me is to pick a topic for a month, and stick to it. Though I keep wanting to return to anatomy, I really know that I need to just draw more from life and other topics I like first before trying that shit again since it was burning me out.

To replace it, I focused on perspective last month, and dude, the sketchbook that was dedicated to JUST that topic alone was killer in comparison. I know its a "Use it or lose it thing" so I might schedule some days in the week to do like "Lets do perspective today" etc.

I've been focusing on light and shadow as that's a week point for me in terms of shading, and honestly its been a ton of fun researching how most ink artists accomplish this with just black ink pens. I've learned a ton, and really really really am amazed to see how people can get the lithography look without even touching a single printing press, or doing even a linocut.
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>>5682158
dont fall for this trap anon
i studied at an atelier and this was a MAJOR oversight of almost all of the students, only studying fundies and never cultivating a vision or their creative side. the two need to be developed in tandem unless you just want to be a rendering monkey.
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>>5696458
Keep a sketchbook, and then scan the entire thing in when you're done with it. Then post it on your site. Reason to do this is that you'll see progress whether you like it or not every 6 months. I've been doing this and sticking to it in terms of when I finish a sketchbook, I scan the whole thing in.

Been happier ever since. I've been also organizing my thoughts to create prompts to trigger my imagination as its hard for me to "Just think". I've realized I'll have certain phrases that trigger it within seconds, and for some reason in my adult mind, this totally works.

Ex: The other day I was thinking of "Deep sea labyrinth", and instantly, I thought of cool mazes, figures, undersea mountains, sea machines, etc. You get the idea. A single prompt can send you places in your mind, which you can then make quick sketches of, or find reference images online to help build a story.

Doing so with thumbnail images actually helped me realize certain pieces were lacking in ideas when actually done on paper, so even doing rough thumbnails helps a ton too for planning out art. Hope this helps dude.
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>>5664249
desu you're a cunt, and an overall unpleasant person, but i dont entirely resent your post. im 28, and things are finally starting to click with my art. i've paid my dues, spent my early 20's grinding fundies, went to an atelier, ect. and now things are paying off. that being said, this post just serves as a reminder that we are on borrowed time, and to just work harder. though i dont believe neuroplasticity rules the court, and is a sort of an autistic perspective that 0 people in the real world would ever worry about, its a factor to consider and something to make you work harder while you are still have youth on your side.

side note, when i attended an atelier a majority of the people attending were in their 30's, and were able to seriously imrpove, and make beautiful work that would far exceed anything this crab has ever output.

idk about everyone else but i plan to improve 10 fold in the coming years, good luck to you all, wagmi.
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>>5697389
>If you're into digital, just add the Loomis diagram that you're grinding onto a new layer, lower the opacity to around 30 to 40%, add a new layer, and trace it ontop about 5 times during a session, and come back to it during another session. It takes a while after grinding to piece it together, but what I've found is that by tracing, you get in the mindset of the dude who made the artwork to begin with in terms of the planned strokes on how to actually do it.

I was going to do this, but I thought it sounded like cheating. I'll give it a shot.

I'm not sure if you think the second anon is me, or if just thought he might benefit from a light table, too, but I'm flat out broke right now - I have enough money for three loaves of bread, and with the things in my freezer, that should get me through the month.





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