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Anyone else doing this? I have to say I'm surprised how long it is, these exercises are no joke, especially since you're not allowed to rush. Realistically I think it will take like 6 months to finish the whole course.
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I made, like, 50 boxes and dropped it. Too fucking boring. I prefer the chink he stole the content.
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>>5679324
I agree it's boring but that's what makes me feel like I'm learning. I'm generally wary of methods that prioritize being "fun" because that means they're not prioritizing utility/efficiency
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Honest question, why do DrawABox instead of Peter Han? DrawABox guy even said he learned from Peter Han. You're drinking from recycled toilet water when you can get from the river
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Tried it. Dude is way too autistic athoritirian which pisses me off in most cases. First you need to read my long winded explanation of the exercise, make sure you read it all and don't skip ahead to the exercise. Then you must do the exercise in the exact way I tell you for the exact amount I tell you, don't grind it. And you must do it with an expensive fine liner. Make sure you waist all that ink these basic exercises.
I do get how these exercises can improve skill, but just drawing every day with cosistancy builds that same skill. There is no substitute for milage.
Plenty of people have learned how to draw, teenages have learned how to draw. It's not rocket science. And sure most of them didn't follow a strict autistic structure. His way isn't the only way.
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>>5679321
i think i took me around two months i drew everyday but not sure how much is added compared to when i did it in the past
>>5679330
>prioritize being "fun"
they dont actually give a shit about that. they only say that to appeal to majority of artists who do it for fun
>>5679373
i did it when he was actively giving feedback before he made the website and all that
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Seems like a /beg/ trap.
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>>5679373
I heard of DrawABox first, thought it looked good, read some reviews and saw they're generally positive, and decided to do it. I can't change now that I've decided to do it. I know from experience (from /fit/) that not following through is exactly how you never make it. Everyone who sticks to a program and follows through is gonna make it, even if the program isn't perfect.
>>5679374
It's a good critique, I see where you're coming from. I actually like the security of knowing that I can't possibly be practicing wrong because the instructions and expected outcome of each exercise are so autistically well-defined. There is literally 0 chance that I do not improve as long as I follow the program.

Pic related is how I can draw now, I have never seriously practiced or followed a course before and I don't feel like I can make any more improvement on my own
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>>5679321
Looking back on it now. I honestly felt it was pretty bad. Espically for someone starting out. Alot of it feels like your doing things without actually understanding because of how boring it really is. The autism about the making lines right in the first stroke takes away from the focus on perspective.
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>>5679422
Did you finish the whole thing?
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>>5679321
I would personally avoid things that aren’t fun.
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Drawabox is good IC is just contrarian
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>>5679785
sometimes you need to tackle some subjects you find boring and push through in order to grow up
>ex: fags that complain about primitive still life
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>>5679374
>autistic authoritarian
i'm aware of myers-briggs and jordan peterson's big 5, but what test do you take that "autistic authoritarian" is a personality trait?
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>>5679321
>6 months
Wtf anon. It took me two weeks to finish this garbage course.
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>>5680271
>garbage
What makes you say it's garbage?
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>>5680271
Did you even do the exercises as prescribed, or just read all the articles? If you skimmed the whole thing in 2 weeks obviously you would not gain anything from it.
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>>5679813
How much do you think this babe charges for a hand job?
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>>5680283
$1000
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>>5680283
Lol she has such a horse face, what are you talking about Anon?
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>>5680283
Two Fiddy
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>>5680283
I just realized the Japanese probably fuck on the floor, same as how they eat and sleep on the floor
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>>5679813
Her ass looks detached from her body, bad perspective
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>>5680310
I sleep on a jap mat
Can confirm I fuck on the floor
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I did lesson one and then moved on as the 250 box challenge was killing my joy.

Also checked out the ribbons on organic forms and looked a little at the animal construction.
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>>5680324
Yeah it's gonna suck. This shit is annoying already.
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If you're not having fun then you should be doing something else.
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>>5679778
fuck no, it was so fucking boring and doing boxes over and over like that I had no way to apply it or try to reinforce the knowledge. Its boxes without meaning
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>>5680899
I don't believe this in principle.
>>5681004
I know I need to complete those boxes at the very least, because that's what seems to filter everybody. I refuse to get filtered by the boxes.
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>>5679330
The reality of learning is that "fun" things are way easier to learn. Fun creates novelty which activates your mind and keeps you focused, fun builds connections to other emotions/experiences which is essential for learning, and it lowers the burden of motivation required to engage.
The reason many teachers are moving towards gameification and "fun" learning is because it's infinitely more effective and efficient by every single metric.
The guy who did DAB is a self-taught artist and programmer. They're a devoted hobbyist. The 500 boxes challenge was literally a shitpost he accidentally stumbled on I an attempt to get a monkey off his back. He has no formal training or significant knowledge of educational theory, data analysis, art education, behavioral psychology, or any other field which would allow him to design an efficient course. The whole of DAB was him throwing shit at a wall and keeping what stuck. You got fucking tricked by one of the easiest psychological fallacies in the book.
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>>5681034
if your going to do it make it worth while and apply it to something such as objects you can observe.
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>>5679374
>>5679422
>>5681047

He literally says to spend at most half of your time drawing doing the exercises and the other half of the time doing things you want to do. E.g. other studies, random things you want to draw, etc..

>>5681047
>The guy who did DAB is a self-taught artist and programmer. They're a devoted hobbyist. The 500 boxes challenge was literally a shitpost he accidentally stumbled on I an attempt to get a monkey off his back. He has no formal training or significant knowledge of educational theory, data analysis, art education, behavioral psychology, or any other field which would allow him to design an efficient course. The whole of DAB was him throwing shit at a wall and keeping what stuck. You got fucking tricked by one of the easiest psychological fallacies in the book.
Just because one doesn't have significant knowledge of educational theory, data analysis, or whatever, doesn't mean you can't make a good or efficient course. Similarly, even having that knowledge doesn't guarantee you'll make a worthwhile or efficient course. Your reasoning is a fallacy in and of itself.
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>>5681047
Then why's it in the sticky?
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>>5681315
The sticky is a /beg/trap made by someone who grinded so hard their hands broke and ended up not making it. It's essentially a top tier unintentional crab move.
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>>5681300
>He literally says to spend at most half of your time
That doesn't excuse the course. With that half of your time you could be doing a much more effective course.
>doesn't mean you can't make a good or efficient course
It does, frankly speaking. A good course teaches as many students as possible a given set if information in as little time as is necessary, while also maximizing several other factors. To do that you either need knowledge of one of those fields or enough experience to have trial-and-error'd your course into efficiency and the DAB guy has neither.
>Similarly, even having that knowledge doesn't guarantee you'll make a worthwhile or efficient course.
Water is required to live and yet drinking water doesn't guarantee you'll live. Does this mean you don't need to drink water? Obviously not.
X being required for Y means you need X always, even if Y isn't a sure bet.
>>5681315
>why's it in the sticky?
Because you touch yourself
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>>5680868
Protip: Ellipses are made of four symmetrically identical quadrants.
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>>5681526
How about you draw me a page of perfect ellipses and then you can talk
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>>5681342
>With that half of your time you could be doing a much more effective course
what course would that be
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>>5681624
Dynamic sketching
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>>5681678
>$700
>A waitlist
Yeah, no thanks. If I'm going to pay that kind of money I might as well go to the local community college or get tutored by an artist in a real studio. Not for a drawabox variant just because you claim it's better.
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>>5681047
>He has no formal training or significant knowledge of educational theory, data analysis, art education, behavioral psychology, or any other field which would allow him to design an efficient course

In my experience very few educators actually know how to teach. They might be good at what they do but they don't care about teaching it as efficient as possible. I'm watching Vilppu now after I've done drawabox for a few months and the DAB guy is a much better teacher. Vilppu is definitely good at what he does but his teaching is mostly just drawing without much explaining or method.
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>>5681822
Are you kidding? Vilppu is a much better teacher. He explains concisely while he shows you how to do it. Peter Han is the same with drawing demonstrations and brief explanation. They don't need an essay page and 4 videos to show you how to do one exercise.
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>>5681588
Just make the box and THEN the ellipse. Its 100x easier this way.

>>5681822
Anon, you are missing half the point. Not sure if you notice this during video courses but half of it is observing HOW the person moves the pencil or how they think while they do art. For example, the BIGGEST takeway funnily enough from the Villpu courses wasn't the anatomy, or the gesture drawing, etc, its HOW he moves the pencil and constantly thinks of X / Y coordinate planes to make sure things are even. Also, you'll notice he holds his pencil in the MIDDLE as well.

Its the minor things that help me along Anon as I take focus on small things. I agree with some of your points in that Vilppu assumes you know everything about anatomy as well and doesn't hand hold you through it like I wish he did honestly. I've come to realize, if you want to learn Anatomy, just check out the Hampton and Bridgman books because everything else is garbage or rehashing either of these two people's works. Maybe Hogarth would be good too, but yeah, just treat them as references.

If anything, in the modern era, just use Blender to rig up wireframe models so you can practice good gesture drawings as a result.
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>>5681781
Dude, biggest advice Anon, don't be a faggot and actually pay for shit. Wait until the beginning of the month for the "Batman Mega" thread to appear on /ic/, you'll notice it with the Batman picture.

Then, grab a $20 "Mega" account. Then, buy a 4TB external HDD (or internal HDD if you know how to install it yourself), and download all the courses you want INCLUDING DYNAMIC SKETCHING.

I've already skimmed Dynamic Sketching, and honestly, its just a video supplement to the book. To be fair, Anon, the first half of the book is very good in terms of having you think in terms of wireframes for normal objects. Past that, it turns into a book on "How to draw animals, or how to draw vehicles and machinery" etc, which easily could be replaced by any one of Scott Robertson's books, or a good animal anatomy book instead.

I would just literally use the wireframe techniques that Peter Han uses, maybe watch a few of his YouTube videos on his concept art sketch creation stuff, and move onto the next teacher. Just want to save you some time Anon.
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>>5681833
Wrong. 'Feel the form', 'feel the tension' , 'feel the rythm' >feel feel feel on repeat for 2h isn't explaining it concisely retard. The only way you get anything out of his lectures it to take a lot of notes on what he's actually drawing, not what he's saying, which is just much more time consuming than if he actually explained exactly what he's doing. Meanwhile the DAB guy's lessons are well sectioned and provides a ton of examples of common mistakes that it's almost impossible to fail if you actually read what's in there.
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>>5679321
I took one look at the art of the drawabox mongo and decided to skip this horseshit. do you honestly think that great artists sat around drawing fucking boxes for months??? but i guess this is a good way for people to procrastinate even more while pretending to learn something and be productive lmao. what a crock of SHIT
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>>5681881
>Do you think great artists sat around drawing boxes for months
Yes. Maybe not directly, but what every great artist has in common is that they DID draw 500 boxes, and more in the course of their practice.
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>>5681847
I've skimmed that DAB course, and honestly, I can say it is complete garbage and overhyped shit. Just learn Blender instead and tweak perspective boxes accordingly
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>>5682002
Agreed
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>If you want to draw just read the sticky
>but actually the sticky is shit, because stuff in it, like DAB, is shit
>The people it copies from is also shit
>So just get a paper and draw whats right in front you
>But if you spend your time just doodling, you're not gonna make it
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>>5682061
Dumbass, the "Just Draw" advice isn't doodling. It means GO OUT IN THE WORLD AND DRAW WHAT YOU SEE. Are you fucking dense?
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>>5682080
You'll never get good by doing this.
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>>5682106
Yes you will. Critiquing yourself in terms of how these same drawings "could be better" then creates different points of study to then focus on. Only asshole crabs say otherwise.
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>>5682109
This.
/thread
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>>5682080
Do you not understand the concept of doing drills? The construction phase of making a drawing is the hardest part and also the most crucial, yet it represents a tiny percentage of the time you spend on a drawing. You'll improve faster if you take a few months to grind drawing boxes and cylinders from different perspectives than if you only make whole finished drawings for practice. It's the same reason why sports teams don't just practice by playing the sport.
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>>5682121
No retard, you can do the same by just cheating with things like Blender to rig up exact anatomical models than wasting your life (HOURS, DAYS) doing fucking boxes. Get a grip Anon.
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>>5682130
Yeah, and you can save time drawing by just taking photographs and printing them out
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>>5679321
Do we rotate the paper/wrist to make some of the lines? Or is the correct way trying to make the different lines with our hand/paper in the same position?
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>>5682159
You're allowed to rotate, the point is to practice drawing with your whole arm and in a fluid motion instead of making small wiggly lines from the wrist
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>>5682121
why in the FUCK would I waste my time doing drills to draw fucking boxes and cylinders when I can do drill actually drawing the shit I eventually want to bring to a finish? All this drawabox construction shit has warped all your minds. But keep drawing boxes over and over and stay BEG. Enjoy it
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>>5682309
So, I won't need to make lines from right to left (right handed), like doing a sea urchin?
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>>5679324
>I prefer the chink
But why? Every time I see DAB on this board I see people saying "just watch dynamic sketching" or "just read scott robertson" but they can never be bothered to explain why. Why is the condensed version not better?
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>>5681342
Nice strawman, dumbass.
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>>5682524
Post your work
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>>5682722
I'm still on lesson 1, but as far as I can tell, he never asks you to do that.
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>>5683177
Nice. Is there a book as well or only his site?
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>>5682524
uinironically post your work
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This ninja only got like 7 lessons and every time I see people mention him they show boxes or ellipses. I assume 99% of people that try it never make it past the first box challenge part.

If I was making a school where I wanted to make sure I weed out lazy fucks I would make this course or dynamic sketching be the first thing students do.
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The onions aura that surrounds the narrator is so painful, but Im gonna push through this, its a five dimensional, spiritual rite of passage for me.
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>>5683799
Yeah everyone who thinks DAB is bad just got filtered
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Before Draw A box
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Draw A box
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>>5683913
After Draw a box
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>>5683915
Her pussy literally looks like a trans wound
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>>5683915
Thanks for confirming dab is shit.
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Can we use fountain pens for this? And those cheap (high ph) chinese ink will work as well?
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>>5680310
I cant talk about fucking, but fapping on the floor is much better than the bed
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>>5684362
You can use anything you want
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>>5683915
Jesus fuck, this is still salvageable shit. I guess I will not try out this draw a box thing.
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>>5684742
Imagine a digital artist that can't teach. Now imagine a digital artist who constantly presses Ctrl + Z to undo their mistakes. Now imagine that's your teacher. This is the peak Draw box experience. Just skip it Anon, and give hours back to yourself.
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>>5679330
I feel sorry for you. You’ve trapped yourself in a cycle of never ending boredom in the hopes that you’ll become great. Meanwhile the people who drew for fun surpass you. You don’t find it fair at all. How could they be better than you if they didn’t draw 100,000 boxes?
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If draw a box is shit wtf am I supposed to do? Everything else seems too vague for a dumbass like me. I need step by step instructions.
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I did DaB until the beginning of lesson 4, I have been following all the instructions step by step for 6 months and giving the boy everything he says and I have stopped doing it.
The real problem with DaB is not the 250, 500 or a fucking million boxes, the problem is the content. I have no fucking idea, I'm learning and I don't think he's smarter than the person who teaches me. But...
First. Draw from the shoulder. This is certainly important, but beginners just miss the point and end up locked in. Why? because this boy asks you not to rest your elbow on the table and leave it floating in the air. That's crazy. We have three joints to draw and all three are necessary. Drawing from the shoulder absolutely everything will only slow down your progress.
The famous 250 box challenge. Honestly, the only thing that explains is the XYZ axles, it was not necessary to invest so much time in that, the mileage is done naturally if the concept is understood. I don't see the worst part.
What I don't see anyone talking about is Lesson 2, which for me is where the worst part is.
The texture section is weird and confusing, literally the guy says:
"... we try to capture exactly what we see, down to the smallest detail. You should focus entirely on drawing the shadows you see, not on outlining individual shapes or drawing them directly ... Rely on cast shadows. This does not mean drawing in our texture shapes with the line first, then applying shadows. It means relying solely on the shadows ... "
How can I not outline shapes if I do it with a fucking fineliner? He doesn't teach the theory of how to cast a shadow, but that's all he is supposed to do to draw a texture Peter Han, moderndayjames, John park, etc ... They talk about a pattern and a final gradation. That is the important thing. It is not necessary to complicate things so much.
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>>5685389
imagine taking orders from a NGMI lol
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The real trap and I have been there, is that DaB in a subtle way makes you believe that it is the only way because it is free, it makes you believe that he is an altruistic person and that the guy is doing a good deed to the community whatever etc ... But honestly this guy makes money monthly on this and it's just a different business model. You as a client, student whatever you should see that it suits you in particular because beyond your money is your fucking time.
If you like this approach to constructive drawing, Peter Han dynamic sketch is a good option, they have already said it a lot around here, but it is not the only one and if you want to go legal and pay for the material, it may not be your option. Foundation patreon has a series of different videos focused on the dynamic sketch that in my opinion are much better than draw a box. You can download it on sites without paying, you know, or pay gumroad I think it's 10 bucks or so. If DaB works for you, go ahead but if not, please don't fall into the trap of thinking that you are doing something wrong and that DaB is the only way to learn to draw because it is simply: A well-decorated lie, a business for your creator adorned with supposed good intentions.
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>>5685389
>>5685419
Yeah this is true. DaB sucked out all the soul I had for drawing. I refused to give up before the 250 boxes challenge (up till now I don't get the point of this. Why 250? not 100?).
I did them all, up till Lesson 2 texture studies. He gave such little info about how to do textures and it was like the content for DaB did a whole 180. I was confused by the textures too. At that point, I asked myself what the fuck was the point of doing all these, and realised that it was just a waste of time.
Totally a /beg/ trap.
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>85 Posters in this Thread Didn't feel the form; What Secret techniques....
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>>5685364
just do drawabox then
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I was going strong but for the life of me I can't bring myself to finish that texture exercise, it's so difficult and boring. I'm just gonna move on to a figure drawing course now cos that's what i want to do ultimately anyway
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>>5684799
Pyw crab
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>>5685364
Pick something you'd like to draw, but make it limited if you're a beginner. Don't pick a whole city, pick 1 building. Don't pick a whole village, pick 1 person. Or maybe a family. Whatever it is you want to try to draw. Now, what do you need to learn to draw this? If it's a building or mechanical, probably perspective and shit like that. Learn perspective. If it's the human form, maybe start with a figure drawing course. You still need to learn perspective, but maybe just not first thing. Project-based learning. Like they do in schools, nigga. Except you're both teacher and pupil.

Use what's fun for you, what motivates you, to motivate targeted education. Mindless grinding burns people out, and a lot of people seem to burn out with DAB. Probably because, like you, those people are desperate for clear instructions from someone. Anyone. Rather than trying to provide themselves with instructions.
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>>5685364
Brent eviston art and science of drawing
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>>5682803
Because while DAB makes you do grindy repetitive exercises, the chink teaches the same thing but much more easy to understand and with no boring grind. DAB is not the condensed version, its the autistic funless robot version
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>>5687479
Not that guy but here's my work, I dunno why people waste their time drawing boxes instead of doing what they actually like.
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>>5687619
>I dunno why people waste their time drawing boxes instead of doing what they actually like.

you can do both, you know. it ultimately depends on what you want out of your drawings but to draw on the same level as most pros do, you're going to need a much better understanding of form and 3d space. where you get that from is up to you; drawabox is hardly unique, and is more or less a regurgitation of ideas from better teachers, but those ideas (the ones he didnt come up with himself, at least) are things any worthwhile art school is invariably going to make you do until you hate your life. see: FZD, LCAD, Art Center, Syn Studio, or pretty much any industrial design course anywhere in the world.
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>>5679324
I came here cause I was drawing boxes, realized I like it a lot, wanted to learn more about drawing, saw drawabox and clicked on this thread. Not even OP too. Picrel is my work.
>>5681047
>The guy who did DAB is a self-taught artist and programmer
Jesus christ I'm a programmer myself. Are programmers just autistic enough to draw boxes all day? I also stumble upon this online, https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/8mr1o6/is_draw_a_box_good/
> I'd say drawabox is perfect for people like programmers. People with well-organized mindsets (not saying that's better) that like following clear paths. Edit: Poor phrasing. I meant people that have a tendency to recognize and analyze recurring patterns.
Fuck.
>>5681837
Thanks anon. Here's another method I found for this shit: https://goodsites.tech/. Has a bunch of great sites, some of them are torrenting. Already found dynamic stretching in one of them, won't say cause I don't want to get banned, but it's here.

Going through this thread, I feel like this DAB shit is crap. Ironically I would love it, but oh well. I rather draw trees anyways. Thanks for dynamic stretching, I'll try it.
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>>5684618
Thanks. Even digital counts? Or is it cheating (looking at smoothing/stabilizing lines)?
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>>5687619
I think there's the idea that only "drawing what you like" will never improve the artwork because no time will be spent on books and courses. Basically running in place.
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>>5679330
If you're bored, you're obviously not engaged. If you're not engaged, you're not learning (or at least very inefficiently). These exercises are a waste of time if you don't put them into practical context and use construction for problem solving. You will not level up artistically by drawing hundreds of half assed boxes.
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>>5687537
is this a meme or are you for real?



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