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What did the old masters have that we don't?
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>>5679405
They had the lack of a outdated internet board to bitch on about how their art sucks
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A personal master to mentor them.
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>>5679405
God
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Good art education
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>>5679418
>ywn live in an atelier and paint all day while learning from your master
why even live
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>>5679419
This
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>>5679419
thread ends with this post
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>>5679405
Focus.
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>>5679405
went through hardships like MEN and didn't bitch about it
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>>5679436
desu if man of the old days came here he would become depressed like the rest
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>>5679439
>if man of the old days came here he would become depressed like the rest
No. They would call us a bunch of idiots,since we have it easy and dont have to overcome some awful problems or run away from homes cause wars or pestilence since modern times yet we bitch over every single small nonsense like ungrateful retards instead of be grateful for what we are given for our minuscule efforts
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Postmodernism
It killed a lot of art
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>>5679410
>outdated
It's more readable than fucking Reddit or pretty much anything else.
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>>5679445
Speak for yourself you weak ass retard.
>my home town=the world autism rant
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>>5679445
Sperg out more spoiled faggot. Reality still exists for most of us.
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>>5679462
>>5679464
shut up worthless arrogants with weak ego's
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>>5679445
could you imagine what life would be like if cavemen told other cavemen to stop bitching about small nonsense and enjoy the comfy cave they have since their ancestors had to sleep outside
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>>5679410
You definitely don't do enough with devices. Do you need an upvote system with names?
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>>5679466
You're still sperging faggot. Refute any of it or shut up attention whore. Your weak ass would have died at three a few centuries ago.
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>>5679466
>weird assumptions
>still being autistic
Y u mad tho fag?
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>>5679471
>>5679473
>>5679468
>more retarded sperging
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>>5679468
Imagine that other anon in a cave
>No need wheel!
>grandfather had smaller cave
Dave shut the fuck up or start parsing better
>me shitpost! Me angry all time. kids bad
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>>5679474
>n-no you
Too stupid to come up with your own banter? Pathetic boys like you died in droves back when work had to be done. Yet all you do is cry online.
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>>5679474
you're so bad at posting anon
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>>5679445
They would definitely call you an idiot. And a bitch.
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>>5679480
>>5679481
>even more retarded replies and even copy-cat replies
Learn to develop a personality faggots instead of copying other anon's.tards
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Passion
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>>5679405
A lot of time and necessity to draw from life a lot. Also mentors and constant feedback.

Also I think some of the artists had "assistants" who painted major parts of the scenes, I know for sure that Russian painters did that
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>>5679405
Traditional medium
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>>5679405
A lot of time on their hands.
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So many things, for example, Their JOB was art, they were in a time when money was flowing freely for it, their free time was nothing but art creating their own art supplies and practicing, not to mention they were intermingling with the other greatest artists of all time at the same time, and last but not least they were pure white aryans. Nonwhites and mutts of the modern day can't compete.
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>>5679405
They spent the day in the workshop with the master, i spend the day playing videogames and browsing the internet.
So, speaking for myself, i got less virtue, more vice.
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>>5679419
Basically. For completeness'sake, religion/spirituality.
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>>5679419
TPBP
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>>5679419
uh the different churches killed art in many aspects though
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we're in the second dark ages now. it'll be at least 500 years until it ends, if ever
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bump
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>>5679405
old mastery
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>>5679480
Pathetic boys like him died in droves back when work had to be done..? Yet he complains online? Yet is supposed to be used when the topic at hand is necessary for a job to get done, but you’ve used it to say the same thing, that he’s complaining online. What the point of adding ‘yet’ to say the same thing?
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>>5679410
freedom from coom
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>>5679419
based
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>>5679405
time
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>>5679419
/thread
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Confirmation bias.
Today there are hundreds of thousands of artists. Tens of thouands of whom share their work across the entire world.
Time has scraped away everything that was not excellent, in one way or another. Go to an actual museum and I assure you, you will find a painting from the old masters that you've never heard of.
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>>5679405
european jeans
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>>5679714
>God
Christian thought all form of arts are degenerate because artists insult God by recreate his creation. They destroyed most sculptures in ancient Roman.
Art only regained their glory when some artists started to gain connection with politicians and the churches, Especially Leonardo Da Vinci who joined countless cults to gain supports.
Britbong is the biggest examples of the hate of Christian on art(namely the Puritans). They burn most artists and called them Witches. Their paintings mostly are just lazy portraits of the nobles.
Even the fucking Goebbels call out Britbong's hate on arts.
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>>5680653
This is also why you'll see people posting about [X foreign artist] and saying "why do all artists from [foreign place] draw so welll??????"

That grass certainly does look greener.
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>>5680653
This doesn't account for what is being taught and praised, the standard has dropped regardless.
A lower standard leads to lower goals set.
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>>5679405
God, determination, talent.
Plus they didn't have soul-killing art schools.
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>>5679419
This but unironically
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>>5679405
Art was a profession and a craft that you dedicated your life to, peasants didn't have time or the resources to dabble in drawing as a hobby. If you wanted to be good you had to be an artist or starve.
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>>5679405
Bargue plates
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>>5679419
unironically this. aka purpose.
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>>5679405
Brain not damaged by pornography and social media
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>>5679405
SILENCE

We no longer have a single moment of silence. Our brain is constantly sorting stuff getting IN. We dont have a single moment for things to go OUT.
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>>5679405
1chan
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>>5679405
Time.
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>>5679405
A fucking ruler.
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>>5680659
You missed the point entirely. Stop with the hair-on-fire, brows-furrowed angry intellectualism and you might one day wake up to an actual experience of life in its divinity.
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A lot of there work was from observation, and of course the master shit. Computers made us lazy
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>>5679405
We have more distractions nowadays. It's harder to focus on training a skill when you could be watching generic anime#9405
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>>5679499
I've been thinking, a lot of the masters were kind of like film directors in the sense that they had a vision and control over the whole project but would have assistants that he would direct to do stuff for him.
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>>5679468
You'd get bonked because we started with caves, if you slept outside your ass was the grass the next day.
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>>5680667
>the standard has dropped
Nope.
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>>5681217
Imagine being a fully grown adult and still believing in sky daddy. Do you believe in santa too? Cringe
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>>5679405
The fact that only the absolute best of the best or famous ones were remembered. 99.9999% of artists were just as shit as us, back then.

We have thousands of artists today that are just as skilled as the old masters, they just might be working in a small workshop in Thailand or somewhere off the mainstream.
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>>5681627
Please dont bully the mentally weak.
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>>5679405
SOUL
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>>5679405
pederasty
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>>5680661
since everyone wore open toed stuff back then were feet less smelly
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>>5681627
Sky daddy; I just lol'd; and I'm not atheist.

Also >>5680659 is definitely caricatural. There are crazy Christian, there are crazy atheists, there are crazy Buddhists, there are crazy Muslims; singling them out to portray a definite image of whatever their beliefs are is logically and morally dishonest, so would be singling out the great ones in a similar fashion.

As a person, I don't care whoever's beliefs are, but I do care that people can at least set their emotions aside and expose proper, rational views. And from my experience, most people can't, regardless of their beliefs. I may actually have observed a biais favorable to theists, but I may be biased.
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>>5679418
true, I wish I had someone to guide me and berate me on what im doing right or wrong.
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>>5679405
good PR
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>>5679405
Time, money (from rich kings that paid them to do art), and access to knowledge from each other (ex: Many Renaissance artists knew perspective as a result of their affiliation with each other). Also, keep in mind, a lot of "Renaissance" artists were really crazy smart people that knew math, science, etc, and could do circles around the average citizen today.

Ex: If you've never seen DaVinci's helicopter prototype drawing, you'll be fucking amazed to know that he thought of it and tried to conceptualize a fucking flying machine before the Wright brothers ever took their plane to flight in North Carolina.

What you can do is basically trace their works, and determine basic shapes. What does this allow you to do? It teaches you composition from the fucking masters themselves. You'll start to see patterns of how figures are placed, especially in the perspective of a scene, and "Why" a particular figure stands out in a scene versus others are just background characters.

What's cooler is that you can take it one step further and then interlace your own characters in the same poses, and have different lighting effects as well as different color tones to totally change the mood of a piece. Its fun to copy, Anon, you can only learn from it.
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>>5679405
OP what painting is this and who is the artist? Love the detail on the building figures in terms of how they are slowly glimmering and shimmering in the light present in the room, fantastic stuff.
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>>5682090
Nevermind, got it OP, it is 'Vista del interior de una catedral' by Genaro Pérez Villaamil:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vista_del_interior_de_una_catedral,_de_Genaro_P%C3%A9rez_Villaamil_(Real_Academia_de_Bellas_Artes_de_San_Fernando).JPG
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>>5681627
Good luck telling that to Jesus, Anon.
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>>5682097
Lol
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>>5679405
what are these runes that are subtly floating through the air throughout the piece? I like it, I'm just not sure what it's supposed to be
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>>5682143
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>>5682156
don't tell me it's spiderwebs because that doesn't make any sense. why would there be huge spiderwebs where they're walking? It's clearly some kind of magical rune
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>>5682143
>>5682166
It's damaged paint, you can see it in several spots.
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>>5682186
why is the paint breaking apart in spiral patterns? that's pretty cool
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>>5679405
Passion.
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>>5682200
NTA but I like to think that someone bumped their elbow into it
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wank from art historians mostly
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>>5679499
>>5679537
Only posts that are correct. Time. The old masters had time.

A painting like the one in the OP would have taken months if not a year to complete. You'd go back to the place you wanted to paint every day, take it all in and try to sketch and envision the composition, then go back your studio to work on the painting for hours on end. You lived and breathed your art, you interacted with other painters at royal academies and you probably were financed by kings and other wealthy people.
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>>5682261
they were italians so they weren't white
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>>5679405
A shit-ton of assistants
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>>5679405
Slaves
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>>5682186
It's largely due to stress to the canvas over time
https://paint.tool.cultureelerfgoed.nl/phenomena/detail/spiral-crack
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>>5682288
meant for
>>5682200
it's pretty common
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>>5682143
>spends thousands of hours meticulously painting this masterpiece
>your favorite part is the damaged paint
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>>5680809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69sr8wr7ZPY

It's a 360º video btw. Our modern world is too noisy, not only in noise but also in distractions.
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>>5682300
I unironically did urban exploring back in the days because damaged and peeling paint is pure a e s t h e t i c
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>>5682413
That shit gives me PTSD from when I helped my parents strip and paint an entire house when they were moving.
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>>5682425
Sounds rough.
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>>5679405
PUSSIES, BOOBS, SEX
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>>5680653
this
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>>5682567
based degenerate coomer
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>>5682582
I'm based, but I don't think it is a degeneracy.
Sex is the major motivating force for human activity.
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>>5679419
>t.
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>>5682619
Newton was asexual IIRC. Da Vinci's views on (male's) genitalia was something like "the worst part of the body". I'm confident they were not alone.
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>>5680653
wouldnt that be survival bias?
also you tend to work harder if you think you are doing something new.
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>>5682097
>Zeus? Yaweh? fuckin... Osiris? Nahhhh dude every other religion is wrong but MY one is right Dude trust me. You'll be sorry when my boy Jesus says whats up
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>>5682097
>just you wait till jesus hears about this, anon! hmpf!
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>>5679419
yup
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>>5679491
See
>>5679419
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>>5681627
You all too readily confuse spirituality with religion and then go off raging about some kind of crude imagery that no doubt offends you, but doesn't necessarily even exist in the experience of other people. You can argue until you're red in the face about words and pictures, but be aware that many wise, spiritual people have written millennia ago that getting stuck in words and concepts will not get you anywhere. Don't look at the pointing finger (that is, words and concepts and religious objects), look at what it is pointing at.
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>>5682748
Not recognising humour is one of the signs of not being very awake or spiritual...
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>>5683295
The guy stuck in words of an old book of myths and fables and takes them for fact is lecturing me about being stuck in words, that's pretty rich.
It sounds like you are moving the goalposts now.
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>>5679405
Being gay and or bisexual and being not ashamed of it because it's the real default of humanity and either the Christan God or the Pagan Gods to inspire you and also a love or interest in humanity and nature
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>>5681627
>>5681632
Atheist's are cringe
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>>5683472
Yeah and the people who believe in those are good at art and the people who don't make soulless leftist globohomo garbage. Seethe tard
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>>5683895
>>5683899
Your lack of christian virtues like temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility is apalling, I'll pray to the lord so you can rectify your mistakes.
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>>5679405
Time.
You think you spent a lot of time digitally painting a piece when you pass the 12 hour mark.
These guys spent weeks, months and even years on a piece.
This time was of course paid for by the kings, church and anyone else with a lot of wealth.
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>>5679405
Humility and community
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>>5683892
I've heard people say Da Vinci was gay because he doodled a few penises. I love the logic. I'm so sorry for all the men I know.

Not homophobic (I think being liberal is one of the best position atm), but calling it humanity's default is quite bold, as, and that may come a shock to you (I remembered when I learnt about it I was like "No. Way.") but you need both a man and a woman to copulate (I let you google the details) to creates little humans.

And I mean, genuine man and woman, not the inscrutable man-woman-not-trans-but-bi-on-fullmoon-also-i-m-4yo-and-how-do-i-even-know-about-those-things-lmao.

>>5683909
Boom. I agree (not him), but one have to admit that atheism is quite a hilarious point of view.
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>>5683899
Anime/manga is better than anything any old westener created and there are zero christcucks over there.
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>>5683909
>I will just pretend my murderous, child-raping religion has patented good human qualities. That'll surely reinforce my position.

There are fine arguments for religion, but these aren't it. In fact, the pretense that these things are a part of religion rather than humanity generally is what allows so many heinous people to use religious organizations as a shield for their deplorable actions.

If you want to believe in skynigga, be my guest. But don't get all delusional and self-righteous.
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>>5679405
Focus. Intentionality. Not constantly distracted. Didn't complain about working. Enjoyed painting. Didn't care about memes like neuroplasticity.
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>>5684212
Not him/them, but that I think that's why you were told to distinguish between religion and spirituality.

Also, there's likely a biais in your perception of religion: people want to hear about child raping priest, and media are quite pleased to comply.

On the other hand, while we *never* heard of them, and as they are barely noticeable to regular people, in my country, the only people that many times a week feed/check on the homeless, manage cheap reselling merchandise checkpoints for poor people, are Christians & Muslims.

And it's not just a bunch of old people who have nothing better to do. Some young people do choose to spend time and money they could spend for themselves, by helping others instead.

Also, while I'm a theist, I know that religions are in great part the products of men. Not flawless, but they do have qualities, although a proper and rigorous appreciation requires quite some deep thinking.
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How the fuck has no one mentioned that painters were valued because photography didn't exist?
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>>5684294
It's not really relevant to skill difference.
In fact we should be better because we have access to photography. Instead we get lazy and use it as a crutch and don't draw from life.
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>>5684212
fucking look at this board you idiot lol. humanity?
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>>5679405
talent
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>>5679405
that looks like a fucking DMT trip

like HR giger except better and not nightmarish
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>>5682567
the old masters were really missing out
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It isnt about just mentorship exactly. Just being surrounded by good art of a few types instead of many different types of many skill levels is a big advantage. In the past if you painted you had to paint a certain more limited way depending on the time and region. Nowadays shit art of diverse sort has more opportunity to show itself and therefore more power to influence artists.
Even with traditional medium there are practices that you have to follow or your painting will deteriorate. Even when we are taught oil paint today we are taught alla prima which is a complegely different system. Their materials are also made for the kinds of paintings they did.
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>>5682200
Patterns like this happen years after a blunt force trauma to the work, radiating from the area of contact.
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>>5680697
We have those now, and the artists trained in them are not nearly the same level.
And I doubt op pic artist used anything similar to Bargue.
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>>5679405
are you telling me there aren't artists nowdays who can do shit of that level?
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Lead pigments and just enough lead poisoning.
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>>5685920
Yes
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>>5679419
True.
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>>5680659
>m-muh Byzantine iconoclasm!
Only lasted for a few emperors, and only in the east. Meanwhile, the Catholic Church commissioned more art than the rest of the medieval world combined.
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>>5679405
Rude selection.

>>5679419
+ That
>>5679418
+ This

>>5679431
+ no useless shit like this
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>>5679461
It's kinda funny how basic website readability and functionality has actually stagnated and gotten worse over time.
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>>5683899
Proud to be a sheep lmao
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>>5679405
Funny thing is this is just one of the many tacky paintings of interiors that are mostly forgotten. Just like gothic architecture it impresses by amount of detail rather than genius.
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>>5682571
Based cavechad strikes again lmao
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>>5679405
poisonous pigments
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>>5687683
I have those, too.
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>>5683971
He was accused of sodomy. As to whether this was true or it was brought about to ruin his reputation is not entirely clear.
He wasn’t a religious man. Sometimes, illegitimate children were even denied baptism.
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>>5687768
Wait, there isnt much information kn his religious beliefs if he had any.
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>>5679405
tiny penises
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>>5687768
>He was accused of sodomy
I heard about it; but he also said things like «Intellectual passion drives out sensuality.»

I wouldn't be surprised for the accusation to bear some truth actually. Nobody's perfect ;-)

>He wasn’t a religious man
>>5687781
I'm pretty sure he had issues with religious people. Yet, he was highly spiritual, a "disciple of Experience". His faith in God is expressed quite clearly throughout his notes, e.g.:

«I obey Thee Lord, first for the love I ought, in all reason to bear Thee; secondly for that Thou canst shorten or prolong the lives of men.»

His notes are quite available nowadays; quite insightful.
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>>5682143
The old woman is emitting EM radiations
This painting predicted 5G
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>>5679405
Purpose.



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