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The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making and Manga-style illustration.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.

Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).

Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread: >>5720509


Some resources:

/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series >>>/ic/asg


Books:
Understanding Comics

Making Comics

Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://mega.nz/folder/Dd4hnZTC#EjMIcTDPLbWXkAJLPHx2Kg

Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/

2000AD Script Book
https://mega.nz/file/gtNQgY6L#p7vPA_fLOUwxINMBzAX62w_xx282FVQoMhUHDGtiCpE

Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf


Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"

Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos

Full MANBEN Series link: https://mega.nz/folder/9h1mUYSJ#8sJoO57nMP_JhjnujBXkpQ

https://www.naokiurasawa.com/

Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos
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Some western / indie publishers that seem to have a decent readership and are tolerant of or specifically cater to Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation's publishing apparatus, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.
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Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/
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Current contests:

SILENT MANGA AUDITION 17
>Theme: Moments of Haste, Rage, or Smiles
>5 to 17 pages
>DEADLINE: Monday the 31st of January, 2022, 12 noon IN YOUR TIME ZONE.

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.
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>>5743548 I can add this in if other people are willing to vouch for it. Personally I find that it seems like super basic barebones advice that isn't nearly as comprehensive as some of the resources in the OP or advice you can get on the board from just asking around, but if people are willing to advocate for its quality I can roll it in next time.
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>>5745159
okay, fair enough
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How long does it takes to get minimum 3000 followers on twitter and other social media? My art isn't even low int level but I can't start a comic only 5 people will read if I don't have at least a small following first.
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>>5745193
Just start making it
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>>5745193
>How long does it takes to get minimum 3000 followers on twitter and other social media? My art isn't even low int level but I can't start a comic only 5 people will read if I don't have at least a small following first.

Why bother with manga, or social media? go straight to LineWebtoons, Tapas, Lezhin, and WebcomicsApp, publish your comic there, and enjoy your new found readers... I didn't bother with that social media crap, and now over 20k people read my webtoon, webcomic on those platforms.
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Why digital is so uncomfortable and difficult...
Btw why does the perspective just let me draw only horizontal or vertical, but not them at the same time
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>>5745528
>Why digital is so uncomfortable and difficult...
What's uncomfortable and difficult about it?

Also, are you talking about the perspective ruler?
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>>5745505
I see youtube webtoon creators saying that the webtoons algorithm is shit and the only way to get readers is to shill on social media. Is this true in your experience, or was your growth organic? (I'm really hoping it's organic, pls tell me it's organic)
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>>5745702
Is just that it takes me so much time to get the texture that i want to and i can't do any confident line neither
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>>5746082
So do traditional.
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>>5745528
you can have multiple perspective rulers and turn them individually on and off at the same time, my trick is having different rulers on different layers and hiding the ones I don't need
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How many inked pages can you finish given 7 days?
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>>5746242
7
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>>5745905
>I see youtube webtoon creators saying that the webtoons algorithm is shit and the only way to get readers is to shill on social media.

The algorithm is shit, but it's not the only way to get readers, those youtubers you're talking about probably have unappealing content for the demographics that consume webtoons, think teen girls, and young women, what do they enjoy? shoujo, or yaoi, what else? isekai, reverse harem, etc, if you create a battle shounen, and publish on youtube, your chances of getting popular are near null, so yeah, you can grow organic, but if your content is "unorthodox" there's no algorithm that can save you... I like stuff for boys, but I create stuff for girls because I like money, and popularity lmao, not to mention that is nice to ditch the day job, and draw for a living.
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>>5746301
>but it's not the only way to get readers

Social media*
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>>5746301
>if you create a battle shounen, and publish on youtube

publish on webtoon*
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>>5746301
>but if your content is "unorthodox" there's no algorithm that can save you

>there's no amount of promotion on social media that can make you popular
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>>5746301
goddammit okay. thanks for the reply. i guess it's the same if you publish anywhere, you always have to think of the audience. But glad to hear growth is possible organically
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>>5746317
>goddammit okay. thanks for the reply. i guess it's the same if you publish anywhere, you always have to think of the audience. But glad to hear growth is possible organically

You're welcome, and yeah it's possible, but you have to niche down a little, like instead of Fantasy + Romance (both crowded genres) you could try Romance + Historical, which is a popular genre, and a super niche genre...
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>>5743844
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>>5746082
Post some of your work so that we can take a look and offer more detailed suggestions.
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>>5746242
3 pages per day, 4 pages per day, once the storyboard is done only dedicate 30 minutes to one panel
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>>5745528
traditional drawing is addicting and expensive...
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The shonentard jannie wake up and 404'd the manga thread over /a/
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>>5746803
Got a desuarchive link?
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>>5746807
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/230818156
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>>5746803
Was bound to happen eventually. They're not kind to non-JP projects there.
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>>5746811
Feels bad I missed it, threads like these are the only reason I refresh /a/ nowadays. Too many children on that board nowadays.
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>>5746803
I was the OP. Got banned as well. Not sure why; the reason given was "off-topic" but that doesn't make sense to me. Oh well.
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>>5746825
The thread had lived quite enough before that fucker had woke up, i was in another thread as well and both got 404'd at the same time

>>5746827
It fells so bad, i wanted to wake up and post the first page that i was going to finish in that thread
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>trace manga panel
>make gains
Why didn't you guys tell me it was this easy?
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>>5746884
"Find manga(ka) that you like and copy it" advice is present almost in every material for the beginners.
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>>5746889
I'd been copying stuff for a while, but never really tried actually tracing. Was having trouble drawing a certain style of eyes, then I traced some and now I'm able to do them freehand.
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Been sketching for a long time, but new to inking. Would it be good to practice with a stabilizer before lowering it over time?
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>>5747135
I assume anon are talking about digital

What the fuck even is "digital inking"? There is no difference between the pixels of your sketch and the pixels of your finished piece. Just clean up the sketch until it looks finished. Are people really carrying over trad workflow into digital when they don't have to?
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>>5747219
What I normally do is a rough sketch with a pencil brush and then ink over it with a sharper, darker brush. Is there something wrong with that?
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i've been out of the loop for a little bit working on other stuff and thank god there's no current contests
fuck i need to make it
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>>5747401
>thank god there's no current contests
Look again anon
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>>5747500
nah you're right. i meant no current medibang contests. i don't do the SMA stuff because i'm a weenie who needs dialog.
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>>5747511
dialogue*
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>>5747227
Sounds very inefficient. Why not just sketch with the darker brush? The reason you sketch with light pencil in trad is to make it easier to erase, there is no such problem in digital.

Or if you MUST sketch in a lighter shade, then simply darken it in the contrast settings when you're satisfied with the lines.

You're using a workflow developed to get around physical issues in trad, when those issues aren't present in digital. You can cut your work time by a good percentage just by cutting out the "inking" phase.
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>>5747219
>Just clean up the sketch until it looks finished.
Post an example and I'll tell you the difference.
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>>5747571
i have to start rough draft trad because starting in digital feels too floaty
dunno why
am i NGMI
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>>5743859
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How do you save in csp without that the image end up being 24,1 MB
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>>5747814
The .clip is always going to be big. That's how project files work, they need to save a lot more information than an image file. If you're exporting an image as a single layer and it's 24MBs then you should probably stop exporting 10000x10000px images without resizing them.
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some wip stuff I did this morning
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>>5748023
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>>5746301
>I like stuff for boys, but I create stuff for girls because I like money, and popularity lmao,
Why make comics at that point when the pay is so shit even working with big name publishers? Just do porn or get another job while doing the shit you want to do in your spare time.
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>>5746529
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How to get the organic screentone look when using digital? Should I scan it off actual screentone papers?
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How to make your own font glyphs?
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>>5748366
What do you mean by "organic?" Post an example of what you mean.
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Is the Silent Manga a good step in furthering my hobby? I am beg, but I'm willing to sacrifice myself for the next 2 months if it means it's worth the effort, and not some low key weeb contest for Twitter checkmarker.
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Why /ic/ doesn't have spoiler tags, they don't know that i'm shy as fuck and i can't post my first page whithout it?
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>>5748346
Fucking sick! I'm proud of you anon
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>>5748779
Just post your page bro
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>>5745154
I didn't want both scenes that tease fights to end as the fight begins so I added a couple pages for satans fight. He's the one that has been away for the longest so I assume it will be more exciting to see him first.

>>5748346
this entire chapter was so fucking cool dude. YGMI

>>5748765
I got to the pencil stage of one but didn't have time to work on it before the deadline and still don't regret it. was really fun to draw something new.
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>>5749088
This is the first time that i have somewhat finished a page, so i know that it sucks in a lot of aspect, but still give me your best advices to make it look more like a manga
いやあああああ恥ずかしい。。。見てくないお願いします\(>_<。)/
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>>5748197
>when the pay is so shit

I get paid a lot of money per month because I publish in multiple platforms, and I cap in all of them, not to mention that no other job in my poor country pay nearly as much because my local currency is shit now thx to 2020 fucking the local economy in the ass, heck not even furry pr0n out earn my gig, unless you're the top 0.1% yiff artist making over 20k per month on patreon...
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>>5748346
Whats your manga called dude? I wanna read it I've been seen it all around ic
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>>5749212
For a first page it isn't bad dude. It reads fine. You do need to work on those hairy lines though, they stick out even more because everything else is fine. You've got solid lines on the character's face, just make sure to do that for everything else too.

>>5749312
https://quickdraw.the-comic.org/
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>>5747700
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>>5749146
I am currently drafting a pencil storyboard, then retracing it on another paper with a backlight, then scanning it for shading and framing. Are there any tips you can give me? Most notably on the framing dimensions?
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Who knew drawing women was so easy?
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>>5750814
its absolutely insane to me how anyone could praise Odas character design skills when an entire genders worth of characters all look the exact same
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>>5750939
>all women are the same
Damn he's a genius BASED
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If I've created a comic file already in clip studio, how do I add a pair of pages that are joined together like in the upper example? It seems that any new pages I add are separated like in the lower example
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I'm thinking of releasing my manga with a French version. Is that worth the hassle? Any French bros can weigh in on the current state of webcomics in France? I can speak French BTW so I'm not relying on anyone else.
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How do you can do spreads on csp pro? I know that you can do multiples pages only on ex
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>>5751129
Right click one of them and click "combine pages". If you untick "align crop marks" the result will be what you're looking at, if you tick it then white area between them will be cropped so that the innermost crop marks are aligned.

>>5751201
You've got to hack it. Make a canvas of the same dimensions as a spread. Find a screenshot of a canvas with crop marks and trace the crop marks with the figure tool on your on canvas. Save that canvas and use it as the preset for your comic pages. I did this for ages.
Alternatively, don't bother with any of this because it doesn't actually matter unless your work is going to be printed. If you're only releasing digitally, do whatever you want.
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>>5751250
Thanks anon
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>>5751250
>Make a canvas of the same dimensions as a spread. Find a screenshot of a canvas with crop marks and trace the crop marks with the figure tool on your on canvas.
I'm too retard and i didn't understand shit about it
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>>5751159
if it's not gonna eat up time for anything else, why not
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>>5751285
Then anything I say will be giving a man a fish to feed him for a day. You need to learn how to fish or you'll be dependent on people giving you information. You won't get very far if you can't figure anything out on your own, since comics are essentially one huge problem solving test.

Now I feel kinda bad for saying that, so here you go. These are the dimensions of a B4 page, with A4 binding settings (the crop marks). Just take this image, paste it into a 257x364mm canvas, blow it up so that the image perfectly overlaps the canvas and go over the lines with the figure tool on a new layer. Boom, you now have a ghetto version of the binding marks. Now you can use that as a preset for any single page. I'd recommend making a selection layer within the outmost box so you can painlessly crop the image to these dimensions when you're exporting. This is what I did for my tezuka entry since I didn't have EX at the time but needed to abide by proper binding rules.
Just remember that you've got to come up with solutions to these problems yourself, because that's what a lot comic-making is. Little problems that you need to solve your own way.
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I want to redraw the flora on the pillars but besides that i'm in love with this page.
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>>5751159
If you plan to do that one tip I'll give you is this: don't even think about the translation before you've finished with the making of the entire chapter. If you keep thinking in two languages while making the original version you can become overly timid ("I don't know if this is gonna translate well to French" etc.) and the result is that the both versions get watered down.
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>>5751716
more
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>>5751716
>>5752358
Hey you're getting much better with your paneling and not doing weird things with heads anymore. Keep up the good work!
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I have two ideas for the sma, one is from smiles, to haste, to rage, to haste and end up with smiles and the other one is from haste, rage, haste and smiles for which one i should go first
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Need some advice. Two friends and I started a doujin circle of sorts and while our first release was successful and came out pretty good, if I'm being honest I don't want to keep making manga with them. I ended up doing the brunt of the work (pencils, inking, even script and thumbnail stuff) and our profits are being split evenly 3 ways. Even if the profits were split 50/25/25 in my favor I still don't think I'd want to continue because I could make better work by myself without them trying to add in questionable Western elements to a manga-style comic and without trying to work around/fix their awkward thumbnailing. The only reason why I would want to stay in the circle is to speed up the screentones and black fills, which is what my friends did in the production pipeline. But at that point they would just be assistants and that's not the collaborative experience I think any of us are going for. Would other anons step away in this situation too?
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>>5752547
To play devil´s advocate for your two friends, have you been upfront with them about your feelings towards their work ethic and their inability to draw like the japanese?
Also you´ve gotten me interested in what it looks like. Mind sharing some of it?
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https://m.tapas.io/episode/2367353
Some new pages of my western comic influenced by Japanese manga that some anons say is not manga
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Does someone know if there's a webnovel/light novel general anywhere on this site?
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>>5753141
idk what lightnovels are, but if its mostly text then the /lit/ board is your best bet. or if its japanese, then /jp/
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>>5753066
Manga is nothing other than a Japanese word for comics and calling Japanese comics manga in languages other than Japanese is just a marketing tool to sell manga. The whole thing is just a retarded fight over who gets to call to their shit ”shit” in a fancy foreign word for shit. It’s absolutely meaningless.
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>>5753388
>calling Japanese comics manga in languages other than Japanese is just a marketing tool to sell manga
That's not entirely true, it's also a useful shorthand in conversations.

t. samefag
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>>5752547
For me it would depend entirely on what the profits are like, and what the readerbase is there for. Even if your friends are "idea guys," if the readers are there for ideas that your friends are having and not you, then that shows that there's nonetheless some value present in what might be a small amount of physical work (not saying whether or not this is good or bad, just stating whether or not this is the case). Also, like >>5752811 said, have you actually told your friends that you don't feel they're properly pulling their weight?

Can you elaborate a little more on what exactly has been going on? Also, can you share some of it?
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>>5752547
I'd just look for someone that wants to be your assistantbitch like actual mangaka's have. I'd do it for next to nothing it if it was porn
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>>5752811
>>5753562
We're having a retrospective of sorts after Thanksgiving when we split the money, and I was either going to back out of the circle there or bring up the uneven work distribution if I were to continue with them. Since we're all friends, I'm not going to air my grievances with them if I back out since it wouldn't be socially conscious to do so. For more context, our labor breakdown was supposed to be like this:
Friend A
>general project management
>thumbnails
>script
>screentones and blacks
>scan editing
Friend B
>script
>thumbnails
>pencils
>screentones and blacks
Me
>thumbnails
>script
>backgrounds
>inks
>noting what screentones to use/where to place them
What ended up happening was I did 20 of 30 thumbnail pages, basically all of the script, 26 out of 30 pages of pencils, and re-edited the scans before sending them off to the printer. By the time I was redoing the 5th pencils page, Friend B just stopped doing them because they figured that I would have to go back to all of them anyways. Unfortunately I also played the "idea guy" and "teacher" roles since I have the most experience with manga so even on the ideation front I was pulling extra weight. I have a low res example of Friend A's thumbnails, Friend B's pencils, and my final inks, but that was the only page where the distribution of labor was actually balanced. In the end it was pretty fun but I feel like I would be much, much less stressed if I made douijn by myself even if it took more time.
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>>5753720
Do your friends have any marketability that you have in terms of platform, reach, or connections for when it comes time to sell your work to the public? If not, then I'd agree that you're not really getting anything out of this deal, unfortunately. Nice final product though.
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>>5753733
>that you have
That you *don't* have, I mean. Whoops.
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>>5753388
I agree with you a on, but every time I post here I get told my work is too western looking and not 'real manga' so I wrote a disclaimer.
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>>5753820
>every time I post here I get told my work is too western looking and not 'real manga'
Ignore those people, they're just trolling rather than engaging in the spirit of the thread.
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>>5753820
Do you know why? Because Japanese manga have a certain DNA to them that outsiders don't see right away. It's like this:

One generation of mangaka get influenced by the last. They emulate the strokes, the hatching, the hairstyles, paneling of their favorite mangaka. Those mangaka, in turn, did the exact same thing. And so on and so on. Every generation's mangaka have taken one certain trait and carried it to the next generation. They grew up with it, copied their favorite Manga during childhood, were primed for it during school because Japanese schools have much better art education (because they know the worth of potential mangaka and artists).

So bottom line is: Japanese Manga is like a tree with one trunk - in this case, arguably it was Osamu Tezuka and perhaps also Go Nagai. And as the times went on, that tree grew bigger and grew more branches - but they are all branches from the same tree.

Do you get it? I hope I could explain it well enough. If you want to understand what makes a Manga truly a Manga, then there are several things you can do:

Read manga throughout history. Black Jack, Go Nagai's works, Fist of the North Star.

Watch the Manben interview series. Whenever a Mangaka whose work you like says X artist inspired me, go look that artist up and read one or two of his Manga.

Find and gather panels of any type of Manga you like. Save a lot of pages and panels, build a library. You'll start to see patterns of similarity no matter what genre. And then you will start to see the hidden language of Manga, as well as develop the sense of using said language. Good luck!
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>>5754136
Didn't read lol
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>>5754302
Today I learned that CSP's special ruler has a concentric circle option.
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>>5753720
I've been in that situation too. It's not worth it man just back out. Go find some other people to work with that actually pull their weight.
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>procrastinated the whole semester
>now have 12 pages to do in 4 days
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>>5755631
Yeah? Do it then
I drew 16 pages in 5 days with 6 hours of sleep
Make sure you dedicate no more than 30 minutes per individual panel
The polishing comes once you've finished all the pages
Godspeed anon
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>>5754136
I'd argue by saying that it would be better to do the booklet on contemporary mangaka rather than those of the past, otherwise when you have learned to draw you will have a style outdated
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>>5755936
But people like those outdated styles.
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>>5755704
yeah, im just gonna go for a Tezuka type style
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>>5755704
This isn't impossible if you've got the story / dialogue / characters / environments / objects / etc. planned out on paper very thoroughly beforehand
But its damned impossible if you don't
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>>5756217
Huh? It's very possible. One day for the storyboards, 4 pages a day after that finishing them.
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my manga
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>>5756217
Exactly what >>5756221 said. Now you gotta stop thinking and start doing. Otherwise you're doomed! YOU HAVE TO START DRAWING NOW!!!!
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>>5753720
This is the only manga ITT that actually looks authentic. Nice!
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>>5756221
>>5756655
Both of you misunderstood what I said and only read the second half.
Whatever.
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Sorry new here, but how do you do tones like this?
Is there a technique or do you just go by value?
How do I know if it's too dark or not?
I mean I'm sure the dude's hair or those shadows here arent really pitch black.
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