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Post Anatomy studies, Figure drawings, Portraits, and Clothed figures. Post anything relating to the human figure. As a beginner, try to draw from reference, and be as accurate as possible. Critique people based on their correctness of drawing. You may also post basic forms, such as beans, boxes, and ellipses.

Recommended authors: (check the artbook thread / video course thread)
>Bridgman
>Stephen Rogers Peck
>Gottfried Bammes
>Elliot Goldfinger
>Paul Richer
>Vilppu Drawing Manual & lectures
>Steve Huston Figure Drawing lectures

Glenn Vilppu Stuff - https://mega.nz/#F!RIx3TJxJ!_Nna8t01kPxENJ8KSzXqwg!EUJHgKAZ

Recommended Exercises:
>Figure Drawing (poses ranging from 1 minute to 5 hours)
>Skeleton / bone studies from 3d renders (sketchfab.com)
>Ecorche: draw skeleton, then layer muscles on top, from deepest to surface, layer by layer.

Robert Beverly Hale quote:
>You cannot learn the true shape of bones from pictures, however accurate. You must have the real, three dimensional bone. Even in my classroom, a misguided student will copy pictures of bones when the real skeleton is hanging right before him.
>It is better to buy the separate bones, rather than the whole skeleton. (which is often put together by ignorant mechanics) The shape of hte important ends of the bones is forced by places where they touch each other; these places cannot be nicely observed in the assembled skeleton. When you have acquired your bones, study them until you can draw them by heart from any position. Then draw them together as a full skeleton.
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forgot to add, just copying from Bridgman is okay. Just start from page 1 and copy until the last page. Rinse and repeat.
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>>5751652
>>5751637
>>5751654
>>5751655
etc.

OK those are overall quite good for skeleton anatomy OP. If I could advise you a few things so as to help you push your skills further:

1. Try to draw a mesh on top of a pelvis, see if you properly understand all the subtleties of its form.

2. Also, try to draw directly with ink, without a graphite under drawing.

Also, when it comes to skeleton, medical ones are likely to be good investments for those willing to study anatomy that deep.
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>>5751698
thank you, i plan to buy the skeleton eventually (at least plastic anatomical models). im studying from an ipad app currently (L'Ecorche). I'll do the wireframes and go directly in ink. hopefully ill post more tomorrow
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>>5751637
Wait, deltoid attaches to brachialis?
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>>5751706
oh shit lol
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>>5751706
that's the bicep
but i was wondering the exact same thing, im pretty sure that's fucked since ive always known it to insert between the bicep and brachialis but im not confident enough to object to motherfucking da vinci
dude dissected corpses so im hoping someone who knows what's going on can explain it
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>>5751755
nvm that is the brachialis, the angle was weird and yes it does look like that in real life
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Is this a new general? I don't remember seeing this thread before.
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>>5751637
Considering all the fundamentals, which one is my weakest point in this drawing? Ps: Background rushed because I had limited time to do it. Thanks in advance.
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>>5752042
Values are meaningless on your drawing. You don't have proper control of edges. Pay attention to how values are on proper studies and compare to yours.
Watts Atelier teaches all of this. You don't need to pay, just look over Youtube.
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>>5752042
youre just posting here for crits and missing the point of the general. you didn't consider the skeleton or even construction at all, this is just a copy attempt with no understanding of underlying forms. symbol drawn facial features. hair that was drawn strand by strand rather than as a bigger form first and then broken down to smaller ones
1.5/10 apply yourself and post actual anatomical studies next time
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>>5752042
The drawing overall is rushed, not just the background. There's some interesting textures in the hairs though.

Again and again, take 10h to 15h to do one precise Bargue plate copy. Start with a simple one.

This will train your eyes, and help you better appreciate/internalize what a good drawing should look like. This will give you a (good) point of reference.

The more you practice such exercices, the better you'll learn to control your materials & to use your eyes, which is what you should be focused for now.

Regarding anatomy (after all, this is an anatomy thread), a good exercice with your pose would be to overlay the main muscles, find the bones, the muscles attachments points, etc. This is yet another difficult yet valuable exercice.

Though Bargue plates are likely to be much more profitable to you right now.

Enjoy,
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>>5752093
What is the point of this thread if life studies are not to be posted?
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>>5752119
i'm not op, idk and I don't care if you post your naive life drawings again, but it's not a lot of use to anyone to just copy a picture without trying to understand the anatomy. that's why a lot of it is symbol-drawn, and better suited for /beg/
imo
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>>5751706
yeah that's wrong
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>>5752042
Not a skeleton
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>>5752119
You can post your life drawings. I think you should work on being able to draw accurately, like proportions and shapes and stuff. Just practice a lot
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>>5751637
Atlas of Human Anatomy by Frank H. Netter, M.D. is the best book for skeletal anatomy. It isn't designed for artists so it's not simplified.
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>>5752278
Are you a student of Vilppu’s?
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>>5752378
I watched his videos on heads, he is a good teacher but my inspiration for wanting complete accuracy is primarily the fact that the old masters studied human anatomy from cadavers, not stylized "artist" anatomy. Da Vinci could draw anatomically correct humans in any pose/perspective from imagination because he deeply understood real human anatomy.
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>>5752180
Not him but it actually looks fairly accurate in my opinion

Also >>5751802
>yes it does look like that in real life
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>>5752431
what book is this?
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Skull studies
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Another one
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>>5752580
>>5752581
take the photo perpendicular to the paper next time, so we can see it better
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>>5752410
this looks good, anon
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>>5752412
i just found it interesting because Vilppu recommends that same Netters book in his private classes. It's secret Vilppu info that only a select few of us know haha
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>>5752581
Nice skull, where'd you get it? I got the Science 3B one but am always disappointed since I could have gotten a cheap Bone Clones skull if I just waited
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gonna dump a bunch of images. Most were done directly into ink, without any underdrawing.
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skeletons without a pencil underdrawing is so hard
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i broke down and went back to doing an underdrawing for these
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>>5752926
Is there a course or book you did that you learned from? Or improved your drawing?
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>>5753007
Vilppu is my favorite
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>>5753009
I tried him, but his gesture is too confusing so i dropped it. Was it something you stuggled with at first, but improved later?
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>>5753010
>vilppu is too confusing
spotted the femoid
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>>5753010
It can be confusing, but later on he gives you two other ways to do gesture. In actuality, you can do gesture however you want, since it'll be covered up with form and shading. He just presents his way of doing it becasue it forces you to see certain design elements. Just don't over think it. Fill up a hundred pages first, before you ask questions
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>>5753010
also, I didn't do vilppu at first. I did Mike Mattesi and developed a slick but superficial and flat style of drawing. Vilppu was the one who gave me depth and form, but at that point I'd been drawing for 2 years already
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>>5752747
Guess I got lucky then.
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>>5752431
What is number 3 in this picture?
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>>5753790
#3 is the barchialis. It looks like the deltoid and brachialis are connected, but the detloid's insertion is still in the humerus (deltoid tuberosity of the humerus)

"The brachialis muscle originates from the anterior surface of the distal half of the humerus, just distal to the insertion of the deltoid muscle. It is also attached to the intermuscular septa of the arm on either side, with a more extensive attachment to the medial intermuscular septum (A connective tissue septum that separates two muscles, esp. one from which muscles may take their origin.)"

"Fibres from all heads converge to insert into the deltoid tuberosity on the humerus. The deltoid fascia is continuous with the brachial fascia and connects to the medial and lateral intermuscular septa."

Note: Fascia is just the superficial wrapping of the muscle.

https://www.kenhub.com/en/library/anatomy/brachialis-muscle

https://www.physio-pedia.com/Deltoid#:~:text=Fibres%20from%20all%20heads%20converge,medial%20and%20lateral%20intermuscular%20septa.
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>>5752527
>>5753790
Dunno, one of the first picture for "upper limb dissection lateral view" on google image here, but yes seems to be brachialis: >>5753894
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>>5753894
So brachialis and deltoid conned to generally the same location on the humerus?
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>>5754168
They insert very close to one another. The fascia wrapping is connected, which is why they look melded together. But the actual muscle and insertion points are separate.
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>>5752738
Thanks, I’ll keep it in mind!
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>>5752822
I got ripped off by a reseller, I noticed a tobacco shop with a lineup of pretty stylized skulls, so I wondered whether they had any realistic ones tho.

So I enter and they actually have two pretty good skulls, i spent half an hour trying to find issues to lower the price while also looking for the gender differences within them since the artisan seems to have referenced parts from different skulls.

In the end I opt for the white skull, since the reddish one didn’t have nice value transitions.

The only issue I have with it, is that the jaw doesn’t attach well into the TMJ
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only one page today, about 40 mins of drawing
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a song I've been looping: https://youtu.be/XDpoBc8t6gE

>>5755710
thank you anon, this bump made my day
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the more I draw, the more I look forward to doing this.

https://youtu.be/68fgmFx5acg
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quick thoracic vertebrae from memory
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>>5756590
Holy crap, beautiful!
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>>5752431
Im pretty sure the deltoid attaches to the humerus, not to some upper arm muscle
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Nice huesos
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feel free to post figures too... you don't have to draw only bones and muscles. Post Bridgman and Morpho copies too
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these are 5 min warmups
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These are from imagination, it was easier than I thought. The key is to keep to the initial line of action when drawing the main masses
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>>5752741
Thank you Anon! I love studying bridgeman, such a distinct and expressive style
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>>5751637
Doing David Finch’s Bridgman copying recommendation, starting out good
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Need some advice on how to draw the pelvis and shoulder girdle its driving me crazy amigos
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>>5757724
Steve Huston gives a great explanation for the shoulder. I don’t have anything on the pelvis
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>>5757267
I don't know if you're interested in this, but I took a live class with Vilppu once, and he told us a story about a past student of his named Tim, back when he used to be the director of the animation program at Calarts.

Tim was a senior in the program then, and when graduation approached, he freaked out because he didn't draw well enough to get work at any studios, so he privately went to Glenn to ask for tutoring in drawing. He says "I'll do anything you tell me to, Glenn, just help me catch up"

So Glenn sat down and gave him two exercises. The first one was to draw circles for 3 hours, and he would do that over and over again. So it ended up like 40-50 hours of circles. The second exercise was the copy the Bridgman book through, to get it so accurate that you could overlay it with the book and it would match. He said you could do the same with any master drawings or even Glenn's own drawings, because back then they didn't have the internet, and Bridgman's books were a cheap option. The reason why Glenn said to copy Bridgman was because of Bridgman's ability to describe form.

What actually happened is that Tim improved an incredible amount and found work at a studio, and is a working artist today.

So anyways, drawing circles is actually the first exercise in the Vilppu drawing manual, after gesture, so it might be worth doing. When Glenn told us the story, he said that he would be impressed if we could even do 30 minutes of circles. He vented his frustration with most people, how most students don't actually do what he tells them to do, and how if they actually did the exercises he gave them, people would improve really fast.

This is just a suggestion, ofx. You don't have to do it, but it might be worth it warming up your day with Vilppu drawing manual exercises
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>>5757267
my circles from back in July
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>>5757742
Yeah, with the pelvis if anything fails i just draw it like a box but with the shoulders nothing fucking works
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>>5757766
Great story Anon. It’s really inspiring hearing others making it, especially after copying Bridgman. I already feel better at drawing the figure and understanding form and I’ve only copied 4 of his drawings. I will be drawing the circles indeed. I used to warm up with some exercises from how to draw by Scott Robertson but i stopped. This is how I’ll re-incorporate it
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>>5757766
Circles? As in any kind of circles? May I ask what was the point of the exercise the entire time since my problem is that I can't do them for long amounts of time without knowing why I'm doing them. Is it the pure technical aspect of it? Change in how I understand form? I really just wanna improve my contruction of the human body.
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>>5758557
No problem! Good luck!

>>5758984
I think it's mainly the mechanical control of the arm. Just try it for 30 min and see what happens. By the time I had heard his stories, I had already poured a couple dozen hours into drawing spherical forms (pic related. I had skipped the circle exercise myself at first) and the main thing I got out of this was the ability to put down any curve I wanted without constructing or petting the line. This is the next exercise after circles in Vilppu's book and I highly recommend it too. When I first started practicing this I couldn't draw a bean without sketching it very carefully with an under-drawing, then going over it, and my lines would be all wobbly and stuff, but now I can just do it in a second, directly.

The exercise after this in the book is to copy master drawings, and then to draw from imagination, so this shouldn't be done alone, it's done to help you do your real drawings better
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>>5756908
Well, I mean, anon, this is a pic of cut opened human body!

But >>5753894 has more precise explanation: the deltoid still attaches to the humerus, but there's some common fascia (tissue) if I understand correctly
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sorry for not posting recently, but I can explain (>>5755631) tomorrow I will have more studies
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>>5759111
Thanks man. It does seems to be helping in more organic shapes. I used to do draw a box and doing this exercise reminded me that I needed to apply the technical skill to my drawing. I really want to improve my speed in drawing since I feel like slowing down and drawing construction lines tends to slow down my imagination when in reality I want to doodle my thoughts better.

It's such a weird feeling for that I constantly forget the most basic thing like drawing with your arm when I tunnel vision what I want to draw.
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The grind in this thread is admirable
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>>5760217
yeah, being able to draw spheres without construction lines makes sense because spheres are what you use to construct your figures, so if you have to construct your construction, where does it end? You'd draw so slowly, so I think it's worth it to work on drawing primitive shapes directly

>>5760221
<3
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Cool general, I support you.
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>>5760237
Beautiful line work and anatomy Anon, this is very impressive
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>>5751637
Thanks for the mega link, always been curious about the vilppu stuff.
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>>5758984

Just download this book. Its all in here:

https://b-ok.cc/book/702216/2a6966
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these are worse than before because I didn't get any sleep and was really tired. Nearly collapsed several times out of exhaustion

>>5760851
thank you <3

>>5760534
>>5761241
wish you good luck on the grind

>>5761246
very nice work again, everything looks really accurate

>>5761426
thanks for linking Glenn's book too
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Might as well post some pelvises I did yesterday. Any critique is welcome.
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https://aclandanatomy.com/

you're welcome
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>>5761866
that's pretty intense. good resource, but i feel like vomiting now
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>>5761601
They lack meat
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>>5761883
thank you for giving it a look it seems criminally overlooked
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Calling it a night with some skull studies, my gratitude goes to Villpu sama once again
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Had feels drawing this because I remembered the Davinci one
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>>5751637
Interesting book on proportion, quite meticulous. if you guys are aware of meticulous human ratio / proportion books, pls share
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can vilppu student anon share more vilppu stories? thanks
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Did some skull studies today. Finished the day with this page of stuff from imagination/memory.
Trying to force myself to think about the skull in more simplified terms. I can get caught out in all the little ins and outs of the brow ridge and lose its basic alignment in perspective.
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>>5764657
these are super good
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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_Yf0hghQSFJSvaPd5T3twgq8G2X6L-j8
Does anyone have the first part of this? I'm pretty sure its the ribcage
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>>5764724
they took it down, sadly.





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