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Why You Should Copy Anime:
https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw

**Strive for quantity AND quality.**

Anime Studying:
>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.
>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.
>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.

General Anime Style Discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

Japanese Book Collection:
https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!sddDyarD

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

/mmg/ - Manga Making General:
>>>/ic/mmg

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>>5842848
You post my favorite artist that I coom to as OP, can I post in here aswell?
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>>5842848
source?
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>>5843003
Great Mosu
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>>5843009
Cute belly.
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good day anons
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Did someone say Great Mosu!?
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https://twitter.com/emokakimasu/media damn this dudes crazy uses references for everything and makes pretty pictures guess thats the call truly
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>>5843488
Yeah, this guy is pretty cool. I found him from the Mona pantyhose brush he made that he reference d from pantyhose he bought. He's mainly a 3D guy though I think. An inspiration for sure.
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>>5843488
>Marco Bucci
kek
https://twitter.com/emokakimasu/status/1460460846157418499
I'm pretty sure nips would like Sinix videos.
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>>5843531
>tfw you have the power of English and have secret gaijin knowledge that the Japanese don't
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>>5843531
What do you have against Bucci? His videos on color harmony helped me understand why my coloring always sucked
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>>5843537
People mean Brunet not Bucci.
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>>5843359
sugoi
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>>5843359
why is your paper so rough?
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>>5843537
My kek was because is funny seen nips watching west art.
Bucci is a really good teacher, especially if you wanna learn color theory.
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>>5843531
>なるほどー
>たまに海外だとフォトバッシュであかん素材普通に使ってますよね 日本とは法律とか違うのかもですが…
WTF
You can't photobash in Japan or what
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Would be better if that was a cat boy
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I need some effort to correctly memorise proportions.
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>>5843548
I like its texture
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some practice after watching krenz's 3h video
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>>5843619
Time to have a one month break after this hard work.
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>>5843619
>more krenz shilling as if it isn't painfully obvious what you're doing
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this was supposed to be in the same sheet but phone scanners are shit
trying to improve my clothes/hats mental library
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When I'm tired and depressed, the only ideas I have are coom, and I think they're pretty good ideas too. But I don't want to draw coom. At all. I hate it.
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>>5843003
use saucenao next time
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I haven't watched anime in ages. I barely read manga, and I don't play video games anymore either. I quit thinking about this stuff cause I wanted to draw. But now my decisions feel really uninspired. All I really do is look at art and jerk off to hentai. And verrry slowly read manga. Should I stop giving a fuck
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>>5843589
anon tell me the secrets of your penmanship, I really wanna draw anything other than what basically ammounts to straight lines. But the moment I have any curvature in a line it's never what I intend it to be.
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>>5843688
this looks really nice, good job
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>>5843819
Just get a higher goal to reach. Think about what you want to achieve, then start working towards that.
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>>5843846
The secret is speed. When I started I drew a lot of drawAbox exersices. And 10-second gesture drawings also make you draw faster and with cleaner lines/curves.
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>>5843877
How many gestures have you done up until now? A few hundred?
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>>5843877
Thanks, I guess it's time for more fundies, but now faster! gesture studies sound fun also, anyone got tips on best places that have nice practicing tools?
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>>5843882
Yeah, something close to these numbers.

>>5843883
Original posemaniac site is down but there are alternatives
https://youtu.be/_Xu3XwEYClc?t=341
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Alright, tell me the truth on how to improve fast. I'm convinced you guys are hiding some tips and tricks. Spill it.
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>>5844097
don't post work until after 2 years of work, it's that ez
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>>5843589
Is there anything you do to remember the poses? I tend to straighten everything out when attempting to draw from memory.
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>>5844124
The easy way is to memorize these three things:
- basic proportions (length of the legs related to overall height, etc)
- polygon shape the figure can fit in (just connect dots for hands, feet and head)
- contrapposto angle (in relation to horizon line)

Ideally you should construct (and memorize) three dimentianal shapes in your head. Like a 3D model.

In theory if you do this exercise regularly you will memorize a lot of poses and get a good grasp of 3-dimentiality.
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>>5844146
I think my problem is that I forget the polygon shape and angles really quickly, maybe I should draw those multiple times to memorize them better.
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>>5843488
>https://twitter.com/emokakimasu/media

>use blender

Found the super-secret technique faggots. Krenz is now irrelevant.
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Critique or study advices are appreciated.
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>>5844195
yeah, now instead of learning to draw, you can learn how to 3d sculpt first!
>>>/3/
>>5844223
look at your ref again and consider what the arm on the hip is doing. You can obviously see that your gap between the arm and body is way larger than the ref, consider why.
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For anons doing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRmgLBCaV6Q what artists did you decide to use?
I can't decide between Kinku, Asanagi or oltlo. I guess their styles are kinda similar, very fdynamic poses and 3D faces but still, the video says i only have to choose one. I want to draw straight shota if that helps.
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>>5844223
Pretty good, your shadows and colors don't really do much for this piece though. Maybe some simple 2 value studies of figures could be good, I think krenz mentions those too in his video.
The colors are a bit bland, though I wouldn't go too far into that - maybe look at a pic of the same character that has colors you like and try a color study or just compare the colors to yours.
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>>5844273
Nice. Based taste.
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Tried to fix this.
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>>5842848
boob milk
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>>5844268
Thank you, anon. Doing clothing and hair studies right now, then will move on to values and colors.
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I tried to study Parsley F's painting style and this is what I ended up painting. How did I do bros?
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>>5844396
I can't believe it. Tell me your secret.
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>>5844396
Damn nice, what was your process?
The lineart is maybe standing out too much from the rendering.
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>>5844411
>>5844427

I watched them painting and I was surprised that they actually starts very basic- lines+ flat colors and then a initial multiply layer put in grey to plan out the shapes of shadow. I then I locked the layer, and applied blue for most parts, and then used a light greyish for the face, and then a red on that multiply layer I made to handle the different material variations. I used overlay for that "glow" effect for the edges and inner part of light and soft light to add slightly more detail the hair and horns. If they want to change the color of the light, they invert the selection of multiply layer and apply a color using a hard light layer
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>>5844435
I think I'll have to watch how pros draw to know how the process goes, seems like there's a lot of things I'll learn.
I have a mixed feelings between jealous and frustrated seeing your copy. It feels like a slap in the face on how I'm still a long fucking way to go.
Thank for posting your study anon, it looks really great.
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>>5843853
danke anon
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>>5844435
are there any archives of their streams?
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>>5844494
nope, none that i could find :(
the annoying thing is that his process is even really shown that well on fanbox either, so i basically had to redo his process from what i remembered
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Humble beginning
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>>5844317
Better face.
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>>5844435
>I watched them painting
Any links pls?
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>>5843359
>He draws on painters paper
Thanks for sharing tho
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>>5844717
>sketching holo characters instead of niji
ngmi...
Jokes aside really cute sharky
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what is a source of good foot references? ones from lineofaction and stuff they have some dusty and stubby toe ones .. not a fan.
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>>5844396
looks badass anon, keep it up
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>>5844717
needs more lamis, the calvesand thr quads are almost one muscle in your legs
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can anyone help me understand the rule of thirds here? it looks like the stylization has features scrunched closer together
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>>5845050
No such rule in anime.
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>>5845050
rule of thirds doesn't apply for stylized features, like all anime faces which are by design stylized differently, study faces you want to draw to see what trends are.
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>>5845055
>>5845058
so i should compare the artist’s other female faces, then come back?
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>>5844396
You have no idea how to drawn horns or hands, do you.
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>>5845072
depends on what you yourself want to draw, if you like this artists' their faces, then obviously study what makes their faces work. If you don't care and it's just a random study, you shouldn't put much time into thinking about what is happening with regards to stylization, just draw what you see.

With stylized stuff, you should basically find what you like, by either trying a bunch of stuff yourself or imitating stylization of artists you like, there are no rules in that regard you can apply to everyone.
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>>5845094
everything* instead of everyone
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>>5845079
You have no idea how to draw any fucking thing, do you?
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>>5844435
>multiply layer
Explain
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>>5845105
Mad that I pointed out the obvious?
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>>5845112
you clearly are because you responded :)
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>>5845114
So did you. Are you even the weeb I replied to, or a concerned coomer?
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>>5845124
you don't draw, which is why you seething at the slightest demonstration of skill , go be a beg bitch somewhere else
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Which part of the hair on anime characters do you usually start drawing first, and where do you continue from there? Do you start with the top or the bangs or the side or what?
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>>5845223
Bangs
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>>5845130
>slightest demonstration of skill
Except it's not. Hence why I pointed out anon doesn't know how to draw horns or hands. The hands are different sizes, for a start, and judging by how the horns have the least amount of detail in the whole picture, it's obvious he doesn't know shit about horns, animal anatomy, etc. He's pigeonholed himself into drawing anime shit.
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is proko anatomy course good?
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>>5845274
I'll add more critique: the bow is all sorts of fucked on the hat; it doesn't follow the angle of the hat, the ribbon on the right side just disappears even though the line is going past the bow. The thong's left string doesn't follow the physics of being pulled on by a hand. I don't get why it's all scrunched-up looking, either. It's almost like anon has never seen a real woman wearing a bikini before (or in this case, an underage child). The abrupt cutting off of the legs into the water is further proof that anon doesn't know proper anatomy; he's just copying lines that other artists made. Another example of this is the supposed light shining through the holes in the straw hat. There are almost no holes depicted in it, yet so much light is coming through it. Anon also drew her being backlit in her hair, despite the sun being in front of her. The left horn isn't even lit at all, no shadows. Why is there a light spot on the left horn near her head that's in shadow? The water ripples are half-assed, as is the spray. Her hair is conveying some sort of action, yet no other part of her body moves. If it's being blown by the wind, then the hat and hair ribbons should be, as well.

You pigeonholed yourself.
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>>5845294
pyw
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>>5845274
>>5845294
>(or in this case, an underage child).
only a tranny or roastie would seethe this much lmao
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>>5845359
Stay mad, pedo apologist, you're not even bothering to critique anon's work to begin with
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>>5845300
Post yours, you want your work critiqued as well?
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>>5845373
not interested unless you post work
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>>5845380
Hahahaha that's what I thought
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Draft.
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Last pic I drew
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I always feel like I make heads too small in the back, but too tall at the same time. Can someone redline me, please?
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>>5845598
channge the size as you start adding details, dont limit yourself by the construction
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>>5845620
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>>5845615
I've already tried to add the details such as hair, eyes, etc. but the overall shape still continues to bother me to the point I can't really advance.

My head (hair and eyes too) drawing skills in comparison to my actual body/clothing skills is so much lower that it cripples every picture I try to do. I can't just get anything down right when it comes to the head. I feel like my skull shape and how I draw the jaw is completely off.
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>>5845626
dumb i forgot my image
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>>5845471
you pigeonholed yourself
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>>5845294
hahahaha oh man everything you pointed out clearly shows you know nothing of anime illustrations
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>>5845626
no ref?
there are just too many ways to draw the head, and yours isnt necessarily wrong. not too mention most of the actual head will be covered by the hair at the end, though its not an excuse to completely disregard the head shape underneath the hair.

it isnt really a huge thing people make it out to be, unless ur drawing bald people. in time you will get a better feel for it. what makes a big difference is the face.
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>>5845079
>>5845274
>>5845294
>>5845373
>wants to be seen as an authority
>doesn't want prove his own credibility when pressed
Begbitch begone.
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>>5844862
I don't like you but I like your art
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>>5845691
yeah, no ref. i tend to overthink it but i think the overall shape matters alot when placing features, and i constantly double think how i portray that shape. thanks for the comments, though. i still suck at facial features/hair. it's so hard!
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>>5845598
I feel a little bad abut redlinging, since I started like a month and half ago. So take it with a handful of salt.

What if you cut off the sides of the sphere of the cranium, and when you turn it in that position, it also extends to the back less?
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>>5845359
>(or in this case, an underage child)
What is this retard doing in /asg/, obviously doesn't belong here, should be on pol with the other nazis
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>>5843854
What do you mean? I simply want to create appealing characters in interesting settings. I really like the anime art style, and I got inspired by japanese games I played in the past. But seeing all the shit that's out there that I missed out on has me feeling like my brain is empty, and I just can't seem to get back into anime and video games for that purpose alone. I just wanna paint but I'm sitting here frustrated. Is it really okay for me to focus solely on art? It feels soulless and like I drift further from what I loved every day.
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>>5845800
yeah but "appealing characters" in "interesting settings" is completely subjective right, you need to get inspired to what appealing means to you, what is an interesting setting.
That will allow you to set clearer goals, for example maybe your interesting settings consist of futuristic mech/industrial stuff, then you can reference/learn more about those types of structures, colors, artists that draw similar stuff etc.
if you're just sitting in front of your PC/paper expecting that creativity will come once you master drawing, you're doing it backward and it won't happen. Drawing is a skill, and it doesn't come with creativity, just the ability to express your creativity better.
So yeah I'd say start exploring a lot of art again, see what you like and dislike. Maybe you don't care about backgrounds all that much so you can focus on figure drawing, maybe it's the other way around, who knows. Create a twitter and start following artists you like.
pic related, it's an inspiration for me, AF_kuro
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>>5845359
You shouldn't talk about women like that. I don't think there are a lot of troons here btw.
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>>5845807
I have an enormous collection of art for this purpose, and I felt like I had a really profound experience with certain stories in the past. I had set out to create something myself but I left it all behind in the process.
Recently I spent two whole weeks doing nothing but looking at art and I have favorite artists who inspire me. But for some reason I'm not starting on any ideas. What the fuck is wrong with me?
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>>5845807
>>5845817
Also I spent the past year and a half practicing fundies, I can draw realistic figures decently. It's as if the moment I gained the ability to draw what I originally set out to draw, I lost my attachment to it. It's torture, I sort of want to die.
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>>5845817
are you thinking you have to be completely original or something to that degree? I can understand thinking you have to "make" 100% of your drawing yourself, not wanting to make fanart or similar pieces to others etc. if this is the case, you have to understand that all art is inspired by something, be it something in real life or some other art piece(s).

if it's not that, you have to properly explain why you aren't willing to draw a figure of a cute anime girl from your favorite game right now, this is a real question to you from me.
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>>5843589
I would only fix her abdomen area. And place the belly buttom lower.
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>>5845828
>if it's not that, you have to properly explain why you aren't willing to draw a figure of a cute anime girl from your favorite game right now,
Laziness disguising itself as indecisiveness, maybe? I keep thinking of reasons not to draw whatever character pops into my head. A certain vital feature they have, the color of their hair, how much I like them, "oh this isnt fresh, there's probably better stuff out there you dont know about", etc. I need to be fucking slapped. There really is no good reason, I appreciate you questioning me.
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>>5845845
>oh this isnt fresh
it isn't laziness anon, I'd say it's insecurity. Do you feel like, now that you have basic skills, any piece you draw must be a masterpiece?
Sounds like you're dodging drawing anything "original" because you're afraid to fail. Even though failure should be expected.
Either way, just draw that cute anime girl, do it for me if need be, and enjoy the process. Anything you don't like about it you can work on improving later for your next drawing, right now it's about finishing something.
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>>5845850
Also, note that anything original/creative will always be of lower standard than your studies. This makes a lot of people dodge stuff because they feel their originals are not up to standard yet, even though that isn't the case for 99% of artists.
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>>5845850
I know this sounds stupid but I honestly got frustrated because a lot of characters I like have complicated designs and I'm an autist about removing those features. I really want to draw something simple repeatedly until it looks good and then move on to more complex things. I kept looking for the perfect subject and thinking that I couldn't create my own but I probably can considering I have a whole folder of girls I thought would be useful for character design. I basically know precisely what I want to draw but don't because I'm worried I'm wasting time on all these weird features like wings and stuff, and I'm too scared to pick out new costumes as well. Maybe I should stop worrying so much about it, the longer this goes on the harder it's gonna be for me to ever start. Maybe I can leave detail out of parts I'm not focusing on improving.
>>5845851
Thank you. I am really insecure about my work, I only regularly show it to one person, sometimes a couple others. I am expecting a ton from myself because I feel like my existence is miserable and worthless and this is my only way to fix it. Sorry if this has been a bit off topic or personal. I really appreciate your kindness and understanding.
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>>5845863
you're welcome and it's fine, I had similar issues in the past, and I don't think we're the only ones. So it is on-topic enough in my opinion, except maybe not for /asg/ specifically but whatever.
You seem to have been able to pin down what was holding you back, and while doing so already formulated some possible remedies so I think you'll be fine from here on out, good luck!
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>>5845620
Is there a PDF of this?
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How do I draw more appealing hands?
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>>5845910
study appealing hands, they are often stylized so just find a bunch of artists that draw hands that look nice to you and figure out what makes them work by copying/studying just their hands.
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>>5842848
What are the best examples of 3D anime models that aren't cell-shaded?
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>>5845910
Fewer lines, cleaner lines, proper observation of finger length.

That is pretty good, just clean it up - you don't want rough lines on feminine features.
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>>5845079
You're right, but you could point out the areas that need work without being a cockwomble about it. Any even bother commenting if you're going to offer help in an antagonistic way? It's counter-intuitive.
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>>5845968
She's just coping that you're drawing anime girls instead of "grown wahmen with real curves",as is apparent from the other replies. Her critique is valid but she's just gonna claim you're a begtard pedophile that won't ever make it.
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>>5845985
I went back and saw what that mad girl was talking about and it wasn't too hard to fix. All I had to do was make the fingers and hand near the stomach a bit bigger and adjust the angle of string of the bikini to be a bit more straight. The the horns I noticed being weird even in the original too, but since this wasn't my design I didn't bother to fix it as this was a study in the overall production quality. The water hat is not too bad to make more detailed either, I just had to spend a couple minutes to paint the waves.
While those points were valid, I didn't bother to reply to that girl because it was obvious she just wanted an excuse to nitpick and fling shit.
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>>5845910
I find that hand appealing and holdable already
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>>5846074
Seemed pretty fucking apparent to anyone that the point of your copy was to study painting anyway and not get caught up in anatomical or object detail, I think you did a good job either way
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>>5844717
It’s all fun and games before rendering phase
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>>5846074
>excuse to nitpick
It's called critique, get the fuck over yourself. You gonna post your fixes or not?
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>>5845968
>>5846074
Y'know what, I'll take the bait. I notice a lot of you on /ic/ love doing this bait-and-switch shit of posting your work, then when someone offers critique (antagonistic or not, if you can't handle someone on 4chan being abrasive, the real world will kick your ass), they pull the ol' "Well actually this was just a study/I'm just seeing how they did this thing/ I don't care about the anatomy" line.
> I didn't bother to reply to that girl because it was obvious she just wanted an excuse to nitpick and fling shit
Give me a break. You act like a fucking fedoralord who still lives at home with his mom when you type shit like that. Ah yes, m'lord is too intellectually above us all to even grace us with a reply. He could predict my intent with the IQ of a grand chess master, hoho! What's obvious here is you can't handle critique or anyone pointing out the obvious flaws in your work. You can copy all you want, but your attitude is going to be what holds you back.
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>>5846483
Did the use of the word "cockwomble" not immediately alert you to the fact that he was a liberal Britbong Redditor?
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>>5846483
holy cope, I didn't come here to read your blog
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>>5846527
Then post your work and let's all critique it.
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Anyone knows any artists that draw good looking men? I want to learn how to draw males.
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>>5846560
you at least gotta specify whether its hot for the male gaze or female gaze. Kind of a big difference between what everyone thinks is hot.
>>5846539
like I said I didn't come here to read your blogposts
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>>5846565
I don't mind both if you have them. I just want to see which ones that I like.
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I'm doing this, any recommendation?
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>>5846565
Both? A mix, from Metal Gear Solid style men to shota yaoi fem cat boys to Ayami Kojima. A bit more geared toward fem gaze I guess.
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>>5846631
How do I get as good as you?
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>>5846672
I don't think that's what I'm looking for. After searching on pixiv, I finally found some that I like. Thanks for answering though, anon.
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Thought she was cute so I tried some simple copies. Realized I don't understand the neck area, too often covered by hair/clothing.
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>>5844396
goddamn
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>>5846459
Have the shark bulge around her fingers a bit so its looks like she's squeezing it
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>>5846631
Make her naked and make the backround a different tone so he outfit stands out more
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>>5847044
So i remove her clothes just so I dress her into another outfit with better contrast?

I'm sorry but you can just call me gta4 because I think muted colors make for a more realistic look.
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>>5847204
I was joking about making her naked.
As for the contrast I meant just the backround color. Since the white blends with the white
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>>5842848
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
So is it pointless for me to copy anime (or anything, really) if I don't really have any fundies down yet? Construction seems important and I've been referencing dynamic sketching and drawabox for that but it hasn't clicked for me in practice yet. If you asked me to draw a person with no reference right now I don't have a skeleton or mannequin type model I could draw to get a base, the result would look like a flash game character with a ball for a head, rectangle for a torso, and tree trunks for limbs. A while ago I tried copying anime in spite of that, and pic related was the last one I did before quitting
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>>5847295
observe when you copy, focus on a fundie principle
don't worry about finishing, they're called "studies" for a reason
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>>5846483
I don't understand who's who here, but if you're the guy who critiqued that anime girl in water, can you just post your work, just do a little sketch. That way people can either laugh at you, or at that other retard.
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>>5846483
>they pull the ol' "Well actually this was just a study/I'm just seeing how they did this thing/ I don't care about the anatomy" lin
Its perfectly valid. He did say he was studying the painting style, not the anatomical accuracies or the accuracy of anything else. Pointing out stuff other than the rendering and painting is nitpicking and unneeded.

Why the hell are you so worked up about getting a reply back anyway, nobody is obligated to reply to anyone. More so on fking 4chan of all places.
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I just wanted to add some shading, but this happened.
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>>5844522
Wait what? Parsley streams? Where did you watch this? Pixiv? Youtube?
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>>5847418
So painting to you is basically "coloring inside the lines", is what you're saying. If that's the case, you people are sadder than I thought. Go buy some "grown-up" coloring books on Amazon.
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>>5847363
Forgot which "anatomy tutorial" vid this was from but I evidently drew this in August 2019. I remember not liking it very much because it made the form feel really stiff and not fluid at all.
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>>5847897
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Hi again, color anon from a long ago here again looking for any critique. Honestly I was kinda lazy about this one but I did challenge myself to do all coloring on only one layer. Only used the lasso tool to make sure they stayed within the overall line but otherwise just used brush and smudge. 1 hour, 42mins. Lineart according to Booru is Yas
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>>5848056
Oh, I did use two other layers besides lineart and color, the green block for a background and the scribbled shadow. I definitely got lazy by the feet lmao
>>5847897
Looks like it came from either a Proko or Manga Materials lesson. I do remember hearing that you should try for gesture first and then add in detailing afterwards as much as it fits.
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>>5845807
>"appealing characters" in "interesting settings" is completely subjective
No
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>>5848151
t. retard
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Ok so I got the manga materials pack but I'm still confused on how to use it. I'm currently studying alongside Steve Huston Head Drawing.

Should I be copying the image on the far right or should I just stick to trying to replicate Steve's drawings? Personally I think the manga materials image looks closer to the model but everyone keeps saying "study realistic anatomy first then learn style"
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>>5847897
The knees are at slightly higher lengths, even with one foot slightly raising up, and the forms on the lower legs aren't well defined either.
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to get dynamic perspective shots, is tracing the only option? Even looking at a reference, it feels like I have to be a super human to be able to break it down into shapes in perspective AND THEN master line thickness to show volume and distance.
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Is there an anime artists who draw really thicc cheeks? Need for studies.
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>>5842848
What do you guys think of never (or rarely) using solid black outlines for your digital drawings? Using a dark color for outlines instead.
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>>5849322
better luck next time
keep trying
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>started krenz at lesson 4 of Erik Olson’s perspective course

>got large accuracy gains as well as starting to see invisible perspective lines whenever I observe my surrounding and autistically thinks about the sp point and shit.

Is anyone else feeling this way? It’s weird but it helps.
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>>5849322
That artist draws absurdly long torsos for the sake of belly eyecandy.
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Which artists draw good hands in different poses?
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>>5847897
Googly eyed schizo applying himself? I must be dreaming.
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>>5849443
>applying himself
>from 3 years ago
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>>5849387
sp point? nani is this
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>>5849443
And yet you've posted nothing. +1 to the schizo.
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>>5848062
It wasn't a Manga Materials lesson, I don't draw anime.
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>>5842848
I tried some different lighting
kind blew it but oh well
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How good can you get in 1 year if you practice like 4 hours a day?
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>>5850059
isn't really how long you practice, it's more like how you practice that gives you the biggest gains.
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>>5850059
It will take at least 1-2 years of constant failure just to figure out how to properly practice drawing so probably not very good. If you already know how to practice you wouldn't be asking this question in the first place.
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>>5850059
what >>5850217 said but taking the krenz pill can skip some of those constant failures
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>>5849387
How do you practice for that course? I'm still at part 2, so far I've been taking notes but I'm not sure what to do besides copying diagrams for drawing. Just draw boxes?
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>>5850217
>>5850222
so krenz is the best way to practice? how's the 'Effective Art Study Guide" from OP? https://i.imgur.com/xRnCNRk.jpeg
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>>5850222
Thanks!
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>>5850222
ok krenz, i will pay for your courses. wait, nvm i just got fwap
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>>5850245
also do these accuracy excercises

https://catbox.moe/c/vlhf9l#gallery-3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZnvXBh341I
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>>5850268
YIKES /asg/ going full throttle today I see
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>>5850244
just repeat the shit you done and try to repeat the process
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>>5850059
this is more like 12+ hours a day, with proper mentoring and peers
but it gives you a rough idea what is possible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rI6q6bv7do
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>>5850268
Ok I have been doing these exercises for quite awhile now and moved to copying anime instead but I can't for my life redraw from memory because I rely heavily on guidelines during copying. What should I do?
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>>5850285
draw more from memory
practice makes perfect
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>>5850285
after accuracy you need to move to perspective since that shit plays a huge part in copying and actually understanding the shit you're drawing.
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>>5850275
u forgor 'in a year'
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>>5850275
Perfect video to show it's how you practice and not for how long. I've seen many artists that's been drawing for a long time that draw really wonky stuff or the same thing over and over again. Grinding the fundamentals and having the right exercises makes all the difference. First guy is crazy good
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>>5850292
true, forgot to mention that their program lasts exactly one year
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>>5850217
So how do I practice properly then? Please help... What I'm doing now is basically copy and then try to draw it from memory. Am I doing it right?
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>>5850313
no, learn fundies retarded piece of shit, why you think everyone spam fundies and everyone hates reading fundies being recommended to them
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>>5850313
accuracy then perspective since both of those makes you critically think about what you're copying, then try again from memory.

also what >>5850315 said, fundies are essential.

hell if you understand perspective you can do that copy of the drawing you did at a different angle
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>>5850285
copy with less guidelines
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>>5850313
Ignore the others, copying is the right way to start drawing well, every mangaka started copying their favorite mangas
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>>5850326
said mangakas also know their fundies.
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>>5850332
From copying, monkey see, monkey do.
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>>5850335
in /asg/ it's monkey see, monkey can't do right since you fags keep getting reccomended to learn said fundies.

gooks and nips apply fundies to their copies
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>>5850343
pyw
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>>5847295
ain't that faggot but he's got a point, this is what just copying will get you >>5850347

also when did this krenz craze start anyway
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What are the fundies? Anatomy, construction, and perspective? Are there more?
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>>5850357
>also when did this krenz craze start anyway
When people found out his stuff is good
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>>5850465
imo everything that's independent of subject matter, and can be approached with a more scientific/analytical mindset
perspective, 3d forms, light and shadow, color (arguably)
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>>5850481
Thank you anons. I'll keep practicing until I'm gmi.
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>>5850476
It's so good that it's literally a ticket out of perma beg hell. But there's no hidden knowledge being taught. It's just knowledge known for ages in the west being taught in the right order.

For example, to practice figure drawing, what you really need to know can be found by combining knowledge from Scott Robertson's How To Draw and Hampton's Figure Drawing Book but you wouldn't know that as a beg until krenz pointed that out to you.
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>>5843619
so how do i apply the lessons from that krenz video as a beginner? what exercises should i do
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>>5843619
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holy shit this general is trash
who do you think you all are?
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>>5850860
better than krenz
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This isn't fun. I hate my dirty, disgusting lines so much.
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How can I take krenz beginner course if I don't speak chink?
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>>5849544
Anatomy's fucked, her right leg looks like is straight up below the knee instead of at an angle, the chest is also too straight up, almost like it's disconnected from the pelvis and just floating there
Try sitting on that position and you'll notice how wrong it is
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Copying Nakani after cooming to their doujins kek.
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>>5844411
how do you learn about layers and which one to use when? Honestly I am too afraid to paint and I just do one layer drawings with no color over and over and over again.... I just use the g-pen and have no clue what brushes people use to paint or what fuckery they use with 10 different layers locked and clipped - gives me a headache to try to wrap my head around.
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>>5850802
I try to break images I find appealing into simple shapes using csi
then I copy the shape several times to memorize and understand the form. After that I try to reorganize the memorized shapes into different poses and angles
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I'm really starting to think "asian genes" is real,
but not for the reasons you think, i don't think that asians work harder or do something spectacular when they draw anime, but it is clear by two things that there exist distinctly separate waves of aesthetic art that clearly developed independent of each other.
I'm a mutt to the nth degree, Jewish, Russian, polish and somehow 2% chinese my dna test said. That small amount of asian may be why I can draw anime.

There clearly exists anime drawn by westerners that feels "off" and there is clearly an appeal with KPOP and JPOP to appeal to western aesthetics that is different from the organic aesthetics and customs that asians developed on their own.
My point is, asians see an asian girl and draw anime, and draw anime well.
Westerners see anime and ASSUME it is not an asian girl, but instead see it as a western woman due to the big eyes etc.
I think the secret of anime lies in the eyes of an asian girl, one must gaze into her eyes and have something resonate as "familiar" rather "foreign/different" , in the brain.

The only counterpoint I can find is that Tezuka, the father of anime, technically copied Disney. Regardless, I really think that there is something about seeing anime girls as asian girls (which is why koreans can draw anime etc really any asian)
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Thus copying anime feels like you're copying a photo of an apple and saying you drew one from life.

You're copying the abstraction of an asian girls eye etc

which is fine if you want to just make a pale imitation, but if you want to draw real anime, you have to draw an asian girl from life
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>>5851079
show us what you can draw with 2% chinese dna
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>>5849322
watch those angles
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>>5851079
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>>5851079
It is real, anyone that thinks otherwise is some privileged white person. They think the whole world revolves around the western world and everything is the same elsewhere. They think the can get foreign knowledge and skill from their homeland.
Fact is people on the other side of the world do things differently.

Im grateful to have some asian genes in me, even if im a third world seafag.
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Eye practice
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Thicc
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>>5851062
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>>5851079
It has practically nothing to do with asian jeans, the first reason is their calligraphy, it influences their line art in a very unique way. The second, and most important reason behind this whole jeans meme is simply the fact they aren't as lazy as modern western artists.
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>>5851079
fuck sake you dumb nigger its asian culture not genes
there is no "draw anime good" genes theres just growing up in japan as a japanese person surrounded by japanese weebshit and letting it influence you your entire life
if you were born as a pureblood cracker but lived in japan your whole life you'd probably be able to draw just the same as the rest of the chinks
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>>5851289
pyw gaijin
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>>5851296
no nigger you know im right
genes dont influence one's ability to draw anime that is the most retarded shit i've ever heard go piss yourself
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>>5851289
man do people really take it literally with asian genes, isnt it blatantly obvious its referring to the culture and upbringing, or even literally the whole entirety of being asian
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this
asian descendants in the west don't draw like nips
asian jeans are the ultimate seanigger cope to deal with the fact that they live in 3rd world pagpag shitholes, but even if this were real it would only apply to china, korea and japan
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>>5851304

Art is self expression of what?

Our selves, biologically speaking it comes across but i get what you're saying too. We are our genes fundamentally though. Good works of art with "soul" across time are those that ultimately tell a story of who the artist is without saying it.

A man's environment will never agree with him. If one becomes completely symbiotic with their environment, then one has died. To become the environment is death. That which we see, is corpses. To feel is to be alive. To convey said feel, that is the difficult undertaking/talent the artist hedges through/
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>>5851322

>Vilppu, Loomis and drawing on the right side of the brain mentioned

sir who is this mangaka i must know
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>>5851304
lol no surprise
go back to grind your floating boxes gaijin
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how do you take inspiration without copying? feel like i broke my brain over time by being too scared to draw from imagination
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>>5851334
that's all I could find
his twitter has been deleted apparently

https://www.fakku.net/artists/mario
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>>5850860
>holy shit this general is trash
who do you think you all are?
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>>5851079
it's called cultural shock. But if u work really really hard you could become the next Tim Lochner. Or that Derek Wilcox guy who spend 10 years working 18hrs a day to become an authentic sushi chef.
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>>5851355
>Mario
you gotta be shitting me man
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>>5851322
bruh this is just the usual shit literally every artist tells you when they cant be bothered to give actual advice
you can get this from your local /ic/ crab
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Anyone have manga materials paid contents?
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OK guys give it too me straight am I hopeless? What would I need to work on if I decided to start drawing?
https://sketchtoy.com/70399308
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>>5851814
drawing on the right side of the brain
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>>5851821
anything more specific?
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>>5851718
Come on this is already a hell lot better than just "copy your favorite artist and draw more".
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>>5851851
I'll only read them if the based chink tells me to
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>>5851079
The problem with weebs, in general, is that they dont commit 100% to drawing stylization and instead choose to half ass the style and do there own thing half of the time as a means to stand out. that's it.
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Help I don't know how to draw breasts, what is supposed to happen here?
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When doing figure studies do you try to be accurate to the realistic proportions and anatomy or do you draw in your own style?
I probably should do both but I'm not sure which one to do more.
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>>5852018
i was a bit bored anon, hope this helps
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>>5852219
oops.. i wrote the belly part in reverse lol.. basically just a tip that no matter the body weight, the body folds with whatever fat is stored there when sitting
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If you guys want a good channel to learn from I recently discovered this guy
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7jDT5zz6ZINqq8NN-tJboA
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why is it that when non-asian draw anime there's this feeling that something not quite the same and you can almost always tell.
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>>5852611
because like with actual anime, too many people don't wanna go full anime because they find the modern style to be cringe and juvenile.
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>>5852611
I draw like an asian and I'm sure nobody would be able to tell I'm not.
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the sketch feels off but i'm not sure why. thoughts?
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>>5852715
you got to back up your words. pyw
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I know no one will believe me but I was single handedly responsible for the conception and insane push of the asian genes meme last year. And I'm glad it survived on its own even today
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referenceless tigerkini doodle. still sorely lacking a lot of knowledge but it's fun to just draw sometimes.
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>>5852835
>still sorely lacking a lot of knowledge but it's fun to just draw sometimes.
that's a good mentality to keep up. not joking, i'm serious. keep it up.
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>>5851286

I realize its something about their calligraphy, but even after studying stroke order I still can't do it.

It has to be growing up in jap culture, which promotes working your ass off to unhealthy levels i suppose. and a mixture of >>5851935
because weebs tend to blend cultures being more western artists whereas jap artists are xenophobic and tend to isolate themselves from other cultures influence.
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it is a memetic nightmare
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of epic proportions
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>>5852722
eyes are too close together and too big, the ear is too high, I think the iris are too narrow, and also should be semi covered by eye lid, its uncanny to see the whole pupil


heres a quick edit.
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>>5852223
saved, thanks
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>>5853077
that looks much better, thanks anon!
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>>5842848
https://www.mediafire.com/file/a47vcvlmcq5e97w/poses+fucks+illustrated+[由良橋勢].7z/file
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What's a good resource for learning coloring/shading? I don't need a really indepth one on color theory, just one that gets me starting on coloring.
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trying to rotate bodies, can someone help point out what's wrong?
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>>5853800
hand and arm isn't connected
upper body too small
manshoulders
torso non existent
hips/thighs aren't bending correctly in that pose
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>>5853811
redline pls
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been religiously studying stuff lately because i finally decided i'd get good. anyway how would you get to study backgrounds and perspective from images? i mainly wanna get good at backgrounds even though i clearly need to study everything else, but that's what bothers me the most

here's what i just studied. i tried eyeballing and measuring as much as possible without color picking and it still is pretty off
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>>5853823
You need to study noses, and not just anime noses
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rendering be the poop!

no more!
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yeah i made it too long on accident. don't know why i didn't go back to check one last time.
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>>5851352
Copy as much as you like as long as it doesn't leave your hard drive
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>>5853747
left leg does not extend that far in both your reference and initial image. How did you assume the knee went to corner even though it isn't in the initial image, it reaches 2/3 of the way at best.
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>>5851079
it's more about asian lifestyle and work ethic m8
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Learning how to shade with using the multiply layer. Obviously it's half finished, but is this how you go about it when you're just slapping on the tones at the beginning? The only thing I'm really bothered is that I don't have a specific formula to do shading when it's in multiply mode, normally I use this method when shading on a normal layer >>5835818 but I don't know what's the equivalent of it when you're shading using multiply.
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>>5846459
Nice style
>>5852601
I like that doodle!
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>>5854081
wasnt thinking very well ig, not sure why I did that
did a few more, I think I'm doing the krenz rotation exercise thing but right now I'm just trying to rotate around 1 axis w/o moving the camera up and down
does anyone have any advice? not sure if I'm doing it correctly or if this is even the "right" exercise
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>>5853055
so westerners suck at art all thanks to their education system from removing cursive as a class
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>>5850313
the proper way to practice is something that really depends on what ur weak points are when it comes to drawing full finished pieces. u really have to use ur noggin in order to make the best gains
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>>5855442
maybe it would be easier to spot errors if you drew the body over the construction
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>>5855442
new pose maniacs website is really good 4 this exercise u can rotate the poses so u have actual feedback for how accurate u were
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>>5855465
oh huh I thought they were dead, thanks
>>5855457
wdym? like eyes and muscles?
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>>5854520
I usually try to start with a not too dark or saturated color for multiply so the whole shadows don't stand out too much. Then slowly go more dark/saturated where needed. I think the shadows for the red cloth parts are too strong.
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>>5855472
make it look more like your refs
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>>5854520
>Learning how to shade with using the multiply layer
/beg/ here, how does this work?
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Is 3 head a maximum for chibi or superdeformed character?
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>>5853823
>anyway how would you get to study backgrounds and perspective from images
nothing much other than the point perspective things
https://youtu.be/H9f58K7r9X8
dont take the vid to heart, it was the first resource to come to mind for example.
look at how he does the perspective study, pulling perspective lines from the horizon line and building grids. that all there is to it.
if you wanna paint and render backgrounds though thats a whole other monster, idk much on that.
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>>5854520
I should try this, I never understood how people do this. It kinda feels as if you have no control over the colors you pick because of the multiply layer. Though I think youre less likely to mess up the colors with this method.
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>>5855449
>including MURICA in the west

do europeans not know cursive?
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>>5851286
>>5853055
gonna be some broscience based on my ass but i vaguely remember my lines got decent a period after learning to write japanese
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>>5845450
Update. The hips are definitely off.
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How to know which anime girl is trending right now?
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>>5856465
hololive anon, it's been all hololive since last year, don't even bother with anime, nobody watches that anymore.
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I'm bad with poses, where to do I go?
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>>5856486
You need foundamentals anon, try to get the will weston figure drawing course, is literally a game changer. (I think cgpeers is down at the moment tho).
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>>5856357
>spending 5 days to add linework

the eyes are also off to bro
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How do I imply the presence of boobs? Middle sized boobs are the hardest to draw for me, I'm trying to use shading to show the form but I'm trash at rendering
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I tried again
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>>5856465
vtuber, uma musume, genshit,
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>>5856465
Don't be one of those soulless bitches who only chases trends. Draw what you enjoy.
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how to make coloring less of a chore? which program is the best for detecting areas to color fill?
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