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I'm tired of being an irrelevant artist. How do I break free?
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I’m a virgin.
https://youtu.be/S7OTZMopkUg
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plastic surgery or git gud
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>>5849074
will plastic surgery really propel me from being IRRELEVANT to relevancy? Is this the secret?
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asshole used my absolute shit drawing for a song cover, the song sucks ass but it is actually very popular with over 500k views on youtube and apparently really popular on spotify as well...

I sort of agreed to let him use it BECAUSE I was supposed to draw something for him to use as the actual artwork but since I fucking hated his idea and the song I just fucking blocked him. Yet he still went ahead and used the other drawing...
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Getting therapy has really improved my motivation to draw. I'm cranking finished pieces out every other day which has not happened in forever. I feel confident in challenging myself, but not exhausting myself.
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I get annoyed with people who say they draw and work, but never bother to post their work or do anything.
I know its something I have to stop caring about get over but people with lack of ambition piss me the fuck off.
Literally makes me want to stop associating myself with them.
Literally useless people.
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>>5849079
post it nigga
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I feel like the most boring person, who, for some reason, wants to create not boring pieces, but literally can't.
My art? Just random shit and anime girls. I admit that I haven't tried drawing enough works , but every time I try, it feels so overdone, so cliché, so, once again, boring. Paint depressing shit that I see everyday? Overdone to hell. Draw something with le deep meaning? It ends up being so straighforward that it hurts to look at. Draw life situations that I find touching? It just ends up looking like garbage.
(Nothing to post here because I scrapped most of it)
My stories? Just a collection of cliches. I used to read a lot of books, mainly american XXth century sci-fi and some Russian literature, and that could have been enough base to create not boring stories, but instead I end up with self-insert shit or some super basic narrative that just wouldn't interest anyone.
I have no new ideas, no morales, no ideals to share. It's all just boring fiction, or more like a shitty fanfiction, all dedicated to me (might be exaggerating here, having a breakdown rn).
And for some reason, it also feels like NO ONE around me experiences the same. People either come up with art/stories that blow everyone's minds, or just enjoy drawing themselves having a happy life without giving it too much thought.
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my wrist hurts.
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>>5849069
Another day, another asshole commisisoner refuses to pay and tries to talk me into sending them the completed pic first.

I'm sick of retards thinking they can scam a free drawing out of me.
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>>5849191
>it also feels like NO ONE around me experiences the same. People either come up with art/stories that blow everyone's minds, or just enjoy drawing themselves having a happy life without giving it too much thought.
If it makes you feel better anon I'm exactly the same way. I'm so boring I never thought of an outfit for an OC that wasn't T-shirt and pants or shorts until I was in my late 20's and it still looked stupid and boring. I've spent all my life trying to increase my technical skill but without heart my drawings just don't capture attention no matter how well drawn they are. I wish I could offer you a solution, I've pretty much just resigned myself to my fate of being mid and vanilla for the rest of my life and am just hoping I can still find a way to make a lasting career of it.
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>>5849191
I feel the same except i dont draw anime girls.
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>>5849191
so what? just keep drawing and creating whatever you like in the moment. stop considering what others will think about it. work on your ego.
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>>5849191
> People either come up with art/stories that blow everyone's minds
its usually bullshit.

anyways most ideas are just iterations or combinations of other ideas, there's very few real original ideas birthed from the ether.
I mean just look at WH40k, it, starcraft, starwars, halo, etc, they're all the same fucking story but with random shit thrown on top

alternatively look at the romance genre, its literally all the same story told over and over again.

The secret is that its not the idea that matters, people will love basic as fuck ideas. What matters is execution and portraying your basic as fuck ideas in a fun and entertaining way. And that simply comes with practice.
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imagine being so ngmi you resort to underhanded tactics instead of improving your art.
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have any of you considered not being boring for a change? art (and literature) is a reflection of your life as much as it is what you've studied, read and practiced. ever been in a fight? gone hang gliding? traveled your country? porn, movies, anime, are all industries creating the same experiences for each consumer. break free. live a life worth talking about and your creative efforts will reflect that. or you can keep drawing the same old lolis and furries until you dry out
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>>5849244
>old
>loli
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>>5849244
>nuh bro you need to be a normalfag in order to make good art!
kill yourself.
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Do you anons have the template of the monthly progress?
Want it for a meme.
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>>5849079
fucking link it you cant blue ball us like that
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>>5849069
Can't draw the doujins I want to because burgerland
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>>5849229
50% upfront dumbfuck. you're doing this to yourself.
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>>5849243
>underhanded tactics
Such as?
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>>5849244
>their idea of being "not boring" is doing superficial shit like hang gliding and traveling
NPC spotted.
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>>5849292
>>5849251
playing games and browsing the internet for eight hours a day will not make you an interesting person.
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>>5849302
being the same generic faggot as literally every other person in the world won't make you interested either.
>b-but i bungie jumped out of an airplane aren't I so special and cool?!
>t-this makes my art better because....
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>>5849302
>Thinking in absolutes
I repeat, NPC spotted.
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>>5849309
>FUCK people who go out and do things
>i'm just gonna stay in my room all day, thank god i'm not a normie
you'll grow out of it soon, buddy
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>>5849244
>>5849302
I at least think traveling is a good way to broaden one's imagination.
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>>5849316
I've also read and internalized thousands of other stories written by great authors and artists which does have a direct impact on the world i can create.

And you know what, I do have at least 5-10 stories at any given time I'd like to tell once my art catches up with my imagination.
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How do people decide what to draw?
Do people just wake up thinking "Haha, today I will draw gay Naruto fanart!"
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>>5849346
drawthread requests, vtubers i'm watching. or just puke i'm feeling.
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>>5849069
just draw
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Having no one to share your hobbies with really makes you fall out of them, huh?
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>>5849069
chase trends.
pander to groups.
draw porn.
dignity doesnt pay well nor garner viewership.
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>>5849434
no lol i like drawing anime SEX, i dont give a fuck about sharing it with friends
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>>5849279
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2INJWU8igfE

i decided I don't care, but I am quite displeased and get asked about it every couple of days...

lesson learned I guess, I honestly have no idea how to handle someone wanting to use a drawing for 'commercial' purposes
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>>5849507
the fucker actually sent me $50 dollars a couple months later asking me to unblock him and do a drawing for him again... retard made me quit commissions
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>>5849512
I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you try again one day. I liked your art
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>>5849507
>>5849512
It's not terrible and it fits the vibe of the music.
Song is not too bad either.
I'd say keep doing sketches for this guy for easy low effort money. Who knows it might get you connections to other artists.
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>>5849507
i don't get it, why didn't you just tell him you disliked his idea? o assume you he paid you in advance since you did a sketch
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>>5849507
its really not that bad, dont be too hard on yourself
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>>5849512
>>5849507
are you autistic or something? what is your problem lol. i thought you were cool pantsu but this is some antisocial shit you're venting about
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>>5849552
no I never asked him for money or draw anything for him, he asked if he could use that drawing of mine WHILE I worked on his commission, but I never actually charged him for a commission or reply back ever again
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>>5849568
oh i am sorry then, he's an asshole
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>>5849554
yeah well fuck that guy and his shit garbage music

>>5849545
eh I am doing commissions again but no more garbage shit just for pity... I try to just draw what I like now and feel much better
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>>5849546
oh i burned that bridge my friend...

I would love to do art for artists I actually like, and I would 100% do it for free
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i have so much i want to get off my chest and have someone understand but ive isolated myself so far from my friends and family, ive got no one to turn to and its fucking agonizing, i hate it so much im going to fucking explode. I keep digging myself into this hole and its been going on for years.. i dont think im making it out
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goddamit no matter how much i try i don't get how gesture works, i try to understand hampton but i just can't see how he sees it. I have tried watching his videos and reading his book multiple times and i am still not sure if what i am doing is wrong or not. The worst part is that nobody helps me because no one on this shit fucking board filled with retards draws and the very few that do get scared away by the NGMI schizos.
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>>5849079
>>5849507
>>5849512
Pantsu...
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>>5849661
at its essence its just drawing the figure as fast as you can. practice with 60 second poses
https://quickposes.com/
Vilpu has good advice
I think good gesture should feel like calligraphy
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>>5849618
eat your pride and climb down from your stylite pillar. you can only unravel the knot by showing weakness to your loved ones.
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>>5849129
Mmmmm.
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>>5849722
I dont know how to talk to people, my communication skills have deteriorated to the point where I cant speak when im under stress, feels like my throat swells up and I just stand there in silence. Im so afraid of reaching out, afraid ill fuck it up and ostracize myself from the few connections I have. how did I let it get this bad
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>>5849733
I was in the same spot a few years ago. After highschool I spent my time in isolation for around 5 years with very minimal socialization outside family and work. I developed a stutter under stress at a certain point.

At the beginning of covid I was forced to be in a lot of zoom meetings where I had to constantly talk. At first I was stumbling on my words constantly and every meeting felt like absolute shit, but after a while the rust wore off and my old charisma and confidence came back, something I didn't feel since middle school.
All I can tell you is you'd be surprised how fast your brain relearns how to speak and communicate properly. You just have to somehow force yourself to communicate, through a certain activity that you can't get away from.

Keep struggling my friend, you'll get out of the mud eventually.
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>>5849698
i understand the idea of it but i am not sure if i am doing it right, i watched vilppu but the ''no rules only tools'' gives me nothing
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I have just under 6 months to be making 3k a month ideally from art. I have no idea what I'm going to do and I'm scared as fuck I won't make it.
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>>5849069
By not giving a shit and draw for yourself and not for others. I draw to make my own phone wallpapers and profile icons and shitpost with friends.
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>>5849751
i just want to say that after I read this i slammed half a litre of gin and called a friend, just want to say thanks, i dont know if ill regret it in the morning but iveLready said it and im avout to crash. I love you
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>>5849901
I believe you have what it takes anon
no ragrets
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>>5849230
>>5849232
>>5849235
>>5849237
Thank you anons. Your replies helped me a little, and I think I know what I should work at
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I will never be a woman
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>>5849618
haha same eat shit retard and fucking chew on it
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>>5849661
Geature is mostly a meme.
In general what I've found helps is stop thinking in germa of "gesture" and just start going wild with poses. At the end of the day "gesture" is just another way of saying your poses are boring.
Instead of focuses on some magical line of bullshit, focus on putting the hands and legs in different spots and positions til it looks good.
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most artists are irrelevant artists
if you want fame you chose the wrong profession, move to Hollywood or something
even someone like craig mullins or kim jung gi aren't that famous, mostly artists know of them
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
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I will kill everyone and then myself
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>>5849806
How did you get yourself in that situation?
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>>5850317
probably hookers and blackjack
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Every time I try to start studying art and opening one of the holy grail /beg/ books I can barely get through half of a page before I start losing focus and rereading sentences mindlessly because I can't process what it said. I've spent the past 4 hours reading and I've only gotten through 11 pages. I might be genuinely retarded and I have no idea how I haven't discovered this until now.
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>>5850317
By not having a normal job and being a teenager. 100% chance. So many of you fags tell yourself that you LITERALLY NEED TO BE AN ARTIST because you can't handle the idea of mopping a floor
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>>5850367
what kinda fucking teenager needs 3k a month?
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>>5850392
who doesnt needs 3k a month?
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Want to draw more but can't cos it pisses me the fuck off when I keep repeating mistakes
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Porn bots have some pretty good ref photos I can save. It's like Christmas when they follow me.
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>>5850394
3rd worlders
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>>5849069
Why do things keep interrupting me every fucking time I have the chance to draw? I only have a couple hours of free time each day and if you waste 45 minutes of my free time for nothing then no wonder I'm gonna be upset.
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>>5850317
It's a long story but it was nothing remotely like either of these
>>5850329
>>5850367
It involves my mom getting very sick and ultimately dying.
It isn't exactly like I'm facing homelessness but I need to make enough to start supporting myself independently or my situation is going to get twice as hard to maintain around that time because of circumstances outside my control.
I've always had "normal" jobs since back when I was a teenager and with my college degrees I probably could qualify for something that would make me that much but I have no idea where to start finding something like that. During the years where I should've been doing internships and gaining experience and all that I was trying to take care of my mom and now I'm way behind the curve. The only thing that has consistently supported me through that is my art but I have to get it to the next level quick or find a job that can support a good portion of my would-be living expenses if not all of it by then.
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Fed up with how disloyal all the women in my life are. Even trad girls are a fucking joke. You give them everything you have for years and they cling to you and beg you never to leave, then drop you once they're bored with their life and want something new. Thank christ I was already a bifag because I'm going full homo now. Pussy might be better but I'd rather put up with some shit on my dick than deal with women anymore.
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>>5850546
You'll quickly learn guys are just as bad, but they'll put the same excuse of
>w-well its not my fault, I'm just expecting you to be a dick first so that's why I'm a dick in return!
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>>5850552
As much as I hate bitches, you're right
There's a lot of guys that will throw you under the bus for a change of success
People are awful. Take care of the few true friends you have
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>>5850563
Take the dog pill
>always loyal
>always happy to see you
>encourages you to get /fit/
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Got burned out with getting a bachelors in nursing and have been wishing I were dead daily for a while now. Thinking of taking a break for 6 months and seeing if I can make some side income doing commissions or freelancing while still doing my nursing day job.
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>>5850552
>>5850563
I'm so tired bros
I give everything I got to the people I love and it's always for nothing

>>5850577
I've wanted a pet for years but I can't have one because of my living arrangements. I know it would make me a happier person though.
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>>5850594
Probably a good idea. Don't push yourself when you're feeling like that, you'll only end up taking years off your life. And despite what some would have you believe there's more to life than slogging away on being "productive" every minute of every day. Youth is temporary, make sure you use some of your life on living.
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>>5850546
Enjoy getting cheated on or more likely to be dumped because the dude wants to fuck other people lol

It's harder to get a serious long-term relationship for us homos
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>>5850601
You'd think homos would be more interested in keeping their partners because of how few there are to pick from. Is homo culture just irreparably fucked by years of unchecked degeneracy? I mean no disrespect I just don't get it.
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>>5850611
theres a reason why these fags were called sodomites
and that comes from a fag himself
>>5850601
>It's harder to get a serious long-term relationship for us homos
thats why i keep myself away from lgbt communities. too many pieces of shit thinking they do anything they want without consequences
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>>5850611
It's not a "homo" thing, it's male sexuality in its purest form. Guys want to sleep around naturally, and it's easier to do that when guys are less picky than women when it comes to empty casual sex.
>>5850619
what does the "lgbt community" have to do with this? if you're into dudes you're into dudes, you don't need to join some fucking club or something
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>>5850611
A lot of it is just suppression and then being able to find release so they go wild since now they're allowed to indulge.

Not every fag is like that of course, but its why a lot of the more "normal" gays are hesitant to associate with the community.
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This office job i just recently got has been the most draining and feels like it has correlated with my recent artblock. I try to come back home to draw but the spark dies out. I also feel extremely sad about my autistic fantasies of making several comics feel as if they fade away. I’ll probably stick with the job for at least a couple if projects, then have a pause for art.

Another pet peeve is how coincidental the universe works. Almost every idea I make up has been made up by someone to grand success, even down to similar and intricate naming. I’ll get back on the horse and just change my route with it.
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>>5850619
>>5850631
So if I want to date a dude, I should avoid anyone involved with "gay community." Sounds hard to spot but it's good to know, thanks.
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>>5849069
I don't know why this bothers me so much; but when an artist says that they are a beginner makes me really salty. me knowing full well that this guy is not a beginner because he can draw hands and feet. not to mention that my pictures look stiff in comparison. this guy obviously knows what he's doing. not that i dislike guy or the artwork it's the opposite. this is the reason i don't put beginner on my profile. or i'm just crazy
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>>5850663
it makes them feel less pressured
>"dont expect much, im just a beginner"
but its also hard to know if youre still just a beginner or not, specially when you compare yourself to others
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>>5850667
I've been called many things. i'm the snowguy if you want to look me up in the self promo thread. it's a picture of albert wesker
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>>5850663
They do that because they're boring people and don't know what to put in their bio.
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>>5850698
>>5850698
>18 symbol as if that means anything
>a flag where you're from (why does that matter, there is a location field already)
>telling people what they can't do or else what
"btw I'm a beginner", yeah boring person. Whereas anyone else takes care with their description.
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>>5849554
judging by his discord messages Pantsu has always been retarded
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>>5850663
you were trolled successfully
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>>5850546
My thoughts as an almost wizard on relationships are basically that human beings all need validation. Finding a partner or having kids, those are both ways people look for someone to feed their need for validation.
Try to stop seeking validation from others and you will stop feeling so lonely or need any relationships.
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>>5850663
They should just say they draw for fun or are hobbyist. When they called themselves /beg/ instead of casual artist it sounds like humblebragging
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>>5850663
this is the artist's version of "oh i am not that good looking teehee"
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>>5850693
youre not bad, i like your style, but you still need lots of practice
im beg as fuck, so dont worry too much about my opinion lol
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>>5850908
I've been working on it actually. I started by deleting all my social media and drawing strictly for myself to improve. Started taking studies seriously and pouring my energy into art and work. It's tough to drown it out, especially when I'm alone with my thoughts and no distractions. I don't have anyone to talk to now, I lost touch with a bunch of friends because of the relationship I was in. Wish I hadn't been so stupidly obsessed with her, maybe I'd have been more considerate of the other people in my life and they'd still be around. Shit sucks.
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I had thought I was doing ok but each time I actually post my work I just get told to go further and further backwards and it's been really demoralizing
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Have you ever felt that when you're working on commissions back to back but one week you're out of them you feel empty for the entire week and won't even bother playing vidyas or watch anything. But as soon as you get some work you start craving to play vidyas?
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I'M GOING TO MAKE IT
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>>5849069
>Punpun
what a depressing fucking manga to read, jesus
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>>5851064
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>>5849507
>>5849512
????
I dont get it, what exactly did the guy do wrong???
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I hate white people.
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>>5851065
Media for virginal males
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>>5849076
you saying you want to be famous?
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>>5851429
>STOP LOOKING AT HENTAI NOOOOOO BE SEXUALLY FRUSTRATED FOR A WHOLE DECADE YOU'RE STILL IN SCHOOLERINOOOOOOOOOO
horny teens are gonna FUCK and SUCK
sneed about it faggot my fucking drawings are merely an expression of one aspect of our humanity that of wich is SEX
every fucking human on earth
every mammal most creatures on this rock are sexual and they have wild dirty raw fucking sex whenever the hell they want
i dont care about your domesticated puritan status quo leftist trump biden cuckservative maga hat riding with biden democrat kkk autistic BULLSHIT
fuck you
im not shoving my drawings in children's faces and if they saw a glimpse of it so fucking what?
>NUDITY LE BAD
well i guess your renaissance art is also too obscene to be viewed by what some pig kikes in legislation decide is a """"minor"""
nigger
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cuckservatives were practicing cancel culture before leftist kikes came along
>the left eats their own
so do cuckservatives
look at milo yianopolus
a faggot that is honest to god trying his best to not be one and he gets no support from his supposed peers, the cucked right wing faggots in murica dont stand up for their own because they've been "tainted"
you fuck up once and they wont give you a second chance at life, they will always fixate on your past errors as if we werent all fallible human beings and use that against you constantly to prevent you from getting a job and make an honest living, and because of this you're forced to work in the degenerate's market and then they judge you and shit all over you even more
many employers dont want to become associated with coom artists even if their art is good because of muh """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""'''PURITAN HECKING WHOLESOME VALUES IN THE 21ST CENTURY"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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>>5851487
you shouldnt have to suck up to their bullshit sensibilities to find some fucking work, and they bitch and moan about degeneracy in media but those same flaming fucking faggots let satanist kikes take over every industry
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>>5851491
and of course it goes without saying that the flaming kikes are the ones that publish and create most of the hecking unwholesome obscenery you see in media
>OH BUT THEY LE CHOSEN PEOPLE THOUGH GOD WILL JUDGE THEM
>D-DONT BLAME THE KIKES FOCUS INSTEAD ON THE LOOMINARTY LE ONE PERCENTORINOOOOO THE DEEP STATE BTW THOUGH LOL DEMOCRATS LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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these fucking faggot status quoist american protestant niggers think they're hecking wholesome holier than thou hot shit cause they gather around on sunday to church to compare their stupid fucking suits like a fucking fashion contest and some of them dont even believe in the fucking religion
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hypocritical fucking faggots engage in promiscuity and do all manner of drugs and speak all sorts of foul language during their youth then when they're oldfags they tell their sons and daughters not to be like them
fucking faggot cocksuckers i cannot take modern christians at all seriously when all i see is fixation on superficial bullshit and a serious lack of conviction in their beliefs
oh except when its about comparing your cock size to some other douchebag's then its fair fucking game motherfucker
IM HOLIER THAN THOU YOU DRINK AND SMOKE AND THE MUSIC YOU LISTEN TO IS THE DEVILS AND YOUR CLOTHES ARE HECKING UNWHOLESOME
MY DOG WHAT IS THIS ART, SUCH OBSCENERY
PERVERT!!!!!
nigger
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>>5851487
>O-OH MY THOSE HECKING UNWHOLESOME TATOOS THOSE HECKING MOTHERFUCKING CRIMINAL RECORDS OH GOLLY GEE
is this how you reform people you fucking judgemental faggots?
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>LE I SUPPORT FREEZE PEACH
>B0B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B--B-B-BUT NOT LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
both sides are gigantic colossal titanic flaming fucking faggots in this regard
>I DONT LIKE IT THEREFORE ITS NOT ART THOUGH
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>>5851487
i saw the twitter post of this lad throwing away an engagement ring he had gotten from another man into the ocean to show he was serious about being a "warrior of the right" and what do these stupid fucking nigger faggot neocons leave all over the comment section? a bunch of shitstains smothered all over the place
>i bet you still wouldnt leave him alone with your son though lol lmao
ridicule discouragement mockery fucking bunch of niggerinos
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>OMG SHADMAN LE BAD HE SO BAD OMG NAZI OMG LOLI
OMG OMG GUESS WHAT NIGGER
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
GUESS WHAT
FOR BLOODY FUCKING CENTURIES MEN FUCKED PUBESCENT YOUNG GIRLS AND MANY OF THEM WENT AS FAR AS TO FUCK 6 YEAR OLDS
DID ANYONE BAT A BLOODY FUCKING EYELID??
NO ONE GAVE A SHIT
NO ONE
GAVE A DAMN
FUCKING NIGGER
YOU KNOW WHY THOSE MEN DID IT IN THE FIRST PLACE
CAUSE ITS INGRAINED IN THEIR FUCKING GENES TO BE ATTRACTED TO PUBESCENT GIRLS
FUCKING STUPID NIGGER
THE AGE OF CONSENT WAS EITHER NONEXISTENT OR 10
AOC OF FUCKING 10 YEARS OLD
FURTHERMORE MOTHERFUCKER
HE ONLY EVER DID
>>>>>>>>>>>DRAWINGS<<<<<<<<<<<<
FUCKING NIGGER
CANCEL LYNCH MORALFAG MOB PERSECUTING A MAN FOR DRAWINGS
>B-B-B-B-B-UT THE HECKING CHILDERINOS THOUGH
OH
YOU MEAN THE
FUCKING
D R A W I N G S?
NIGGER
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what the fuck is happening
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>>5851525
im fucking venting
captcha: GOYDD
GOY :DD
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>>5851526
well fuck, ok
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I'm not to vent but i absolutely hate that the only way to get good artfrens is to be a good artist yourself. One, we all came from zero so the elitism is unneeded, two the purpose of an artfren is to support eachother so why should it matter that im not the best artist in the room when I'm trying my damndest to git gud. Art is a lonely road already last thing its needs is even more gatekeeping.
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>>5851556
that's dumb, if I wanted an 'art' friend I would try to approach someone whose art I like...

maybe noone likes your art, just get regular friends
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>>5851556
develop an unhealthy obsession with your art and dedicate every second of your life to it disregarding everything else to get gud
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>>5851562
also i think people who make 'art' friends and 'art' groups are retards and should kill themselves
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>>5851565
what about wanting an art gf though
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>>5851567
okay that I am 1000% for..

i would give up art for any kind of gf desu
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>>5851523
We aren't croaking at 40, nor are half of our children dying before reaching adulthood so there's no reason to break into 10years old girl or promote anything that suggests the practice. not to mention the catastrophic mental effects that come routinely raping young children and how it brings society as a whole. I know, i know you wish times different so you can be given a boyfriend free girl like your great great great grand dadddy had but it's just not happening anymore. Hahahahaha!
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>>5851583
>on child sexuality not being harmful
>Susan Clancy:
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/19/trauma_myth_interview/
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Susan_Clancy?lang=en
https://www.ipce.info/library/journal-article/trauma-myth
>Rind, Tromovitch, Bauserman:
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy?lang=en
http://www.mhamic.org/rind/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100196502/guardian-paedophiles-are-ordinary-members-of-society-who-need-moral-support/
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>>5851583
>other:
http://www.mhamic.org/sources/sandfort.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20211208044550/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20211209140739/https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light
https://www.newgon.com/wiki/Research
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume16/j16_2.htm
>second-hand harm:
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume10/j10_1.htm
>food for thought
https://wikiless.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws?lang=en
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Morality_and_the_Law
https://wikiless.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers?lang=en
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/07/don_t_pooh_pooh_the_left_s_push_to_normalize_pedophilia
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/when-rape-is-not-rape
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>adult sexuality research
>Sexual arousal and arousability to pedophilic stimuli in a community sample of normal men
https://in.booksc.eu/book/13890683/d9a052
>University Academics Say Pedophilia is ‘Natural And Normal For Males to be AROUSED by Children
https://truthunc3ns0red.net/university-academics-say-pedophilia-natural-males-aroused-children/
>kikechan thinks this url is spam just change the 3 to an e and the 0 to a o
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>>5851589
>>5851586
damn bitch u did all that reading just to cope about being a pedophile? please just accept that u are deranged, this is pathetic...
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>>5851583

>revistaporamor
https://revistaporamor.wordpress.com/
>Por Amor es una revista totalmente en español que toca el tema de la pedofilia. Esta rivista intenta abrirle los ojos a la sociedad, mostrar que la sociedad se a equivocado al decir que el pedófilo es un monstruo que quiere dañar a los niños, mostrar que hay diferencias entre un pedófilo real y uno que es solo un abusador infantil.
attractedtochildren.org
https://web.archive.org/web/20110304211709/http://attractedtochildren.org/
>Information About Paedophilia - Facts, Studies, Editorials, Information and Law
>>5851592
im not deranged im normal
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>>5851592
>>5851583

>5 lies about pedophiles
https://aboutpedophilia.com/2019/10/18/5-lies-about-pedophiles/
>pedophiles about pedophilia
https://aboutpedophilia.com/

>A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/13613793_A_Meta-Analytic_Examination_of_Assumed_Properties_of_Child_Sexual_Abuse_Using_College_Samples
>Many lay persons and professionals believe that child sexual abuse (CSA) causes intense harm, regardless of gender, pervasively in the general population. The authors examined this belief by reviewing 59 studies based on college samples. Meta-analyses revealed that students with CSA were, on average, slightly less well adjusted than controls. However, this poorer adjustment could not be attributed to CSA because family environment (FE) was consistently confounded with CSA, FE explained considerably more adjustment variance than CSA, and CSA-adjustmentrelations generally became nonsignificant when studies controlled for FE. Self-reported reactions to and effects from CSA indicated that negative effects were neither pervasivenor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women. The college data were completely consistent with data from national samples. Basic beliefs about CSA in the general population were not supported.
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>>5851592

>Are All Men Pedophiles?
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Are_All_Men_Pedophiles%3F?lang=en
>The documentary explores what it regards as a "pedophilia hysteria" and argues there is a "witch-hunt" against men. Furthermore, it argues that in an effort to protect children, society has begun to isolate men. The film suggests that all men are viewed as potential pedophiles and examines the political and social consequences of that assumption.
>The film's tagline is "Eighteen Is Just A Number", expressing its principal claim that all men are hebephiles, which it defines as attraction to teenagers. The film argues that society needs to make a distinction between this and true pedophilia—a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
>Pedophilia is a natural sexual orientation | Mirjam Heine | University of Würzberg
https://archive.org/details/TEDxPedophiliaTalkFull

>child sexuality research
>Children are sexual beings
Yates, A. (2004). “Biologic perspective on early erotic development,” Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics of North America, 13(3), 479-496.
>Eighty-five percent of young university women recalled erotic games and 44% recalled erotic games that involved boys [79]. Most remembered feeling sexually aroused or excited at the time. Most of the play involved exposing or touching the genitals. Insertion of objects in the vagina and oral contact was distinctly unusual. Other studies confirmed that most young adult students recalled early sex play that they viewed in a positive light as pleasurable and exciting [40, 80 and 81].
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>>5851592
>The negative effects of child sexual repression
Prescott, J.W. (1975). “Body Pleasure and The Origins of Violence,” in The Futurist and The Bulletin of The Atomic Scientists.
>Prescott links deprivation of physical affection in childhood to the eventual development of violent and aggressive behaviors. He examines various cultures, and finds that high levels of violence are strongly correlated with repression of extramarital sexual activity.

>A number of scientists have challenged the hypothesis that cognitive distortion is more common among pedophiles.
Gannon, T. A., & Polaschek, D. L. L. (2006). “Cognitive distortions in child molesters: A re-examination of key theories and research,” Clinical Psychology Review, 26(8), 1000-1019.
>Gannon and Polaschek claim that “the popularity of the cognitive distortion hypothesis is due to factors other than its empirical validity.”
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>>5851592
>Does sexual abuse cause pedophilia?
Freund, Kurt; Watson, R.; and Dickey, R. (1990). “Does sexual abuse in childhood cause pedophilia: an exploratory study,” Archives of Sexual Behavior, 19(6), 557-568.
>Some psychologists have suggested that pedophilia is caused by childhood abuse. There is no empirical evidence to support this hypothesis.

>Very few children are harmed by sexual encounters with adults or peers
Levine, J. (1996). “A Question of Abuse,” Mother Jones.
>What’s wrong with these things? “They make parents nervous,” says Allie Kilpatrick, a social work professor at the University of Georgia who conducted a massive review of the literature on childhood sexual experiences, both wanted and unwanted, and administered her own 33-page questionnaire to 501 Southern women. Most of Kilpatrick’s subjects had kissed and hugged, fondled and masturbated as adolescents, and more than a quarter had had vaginal intercourse. Her conclusion: “The majority of young people who experience some kind of sexual behavior find it pleasurable, without much guilt, and with no harmful consequences.” A similar study of 526 New England undergraduates revealed “no differences…between sibling, nonsibling, and no-[sexual]-experience groups on a variety of adult sexual behavior and sexual adjustment measures.
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>>5851592
>Society’s stigma of the act may account for a large portion of the harm
Bauserman, Robert; Rind, Bruce (1997). “Psychological Correlates of Male Child and Adolescent Sexual Experiences with Adults: A Review of the Nonclinical Literature,” Archives of Sexual Behavior, 26(2), 105-141.
https://booksc.org/book/11246010/e8fdef
>Emotional responses of guilt were related to outcomes, with greater guilt associated with more negative responses, Haugaard and Emery (1989) and Okami (1991) both reported guilt feelings to be associated with negative evaluations of experiences. Stein et al. (1988), in their study of unwanted experience in a community sample, noted that feelings of guilt and shame were common. Risin and Koss (1987) reported that guilt feelings were more common in experiences involving fondling, which were also associated with more force and greater levels of other negative feelings. Finally, Sandfort (1984) reported that when the boys interviewed in his study were asked about negative aspects of their relationships, many cited concerns about possible negative reactions from others, such as parents, peers, and authorities.
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>some pedo is having a mental breakdown
It's weekend you fucking retard, go do something with your life, ffs
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>>5851609
>Anonymous 01/16/22(Sun)05:44:56 No.5851609>some pedo is having a mental breakdown
>It's weekend you fucking retard, go do something with your life, ffs
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>>5851562
My art passes the normalfag litmus test and i have regular friends, but i also want mingle with those of us who in the trents to shoot the shit with and unwind every now and again as well. But it really do feel like to get said things you have to be popular mc big following and it's just so fucking lame sometimes. I don't care about that shit, i just wanna draw with the gang sometimes you know.
>>5851565
Wanting to associate with like minded people is basic human nature, the antisocial schtick is for the mentally stunted
>>5851564
already draw about 6hrs a day and wish to start my passion project in the coming years as my skill increases, maybe someday i will no longer have to need for others.
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>triggered the pedo
Not even reading all of that insanity you posted just going to laugh and leave the thread. Cope and seethe faggot, cope and seethe.
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>>5851620
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>Not even reading all of that insanity you posted just going to laugh and leave the thread. Cope and seethe faggot, cope and seethe.
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>>5849554
I love pantsu's art but he has really bad autism. It's always the biggest weirdos that make the cool art. I sort of envy being that autistic
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im not a rapist faggot and i dont even want a relationship at this point, im a volcel and i just wanna focus on drawing, but FUCK. YOU. if you're gonna label me "deranged" or some other bullshit for being attracted to pubescent females, an attraction that is found in every fucking man and you're bullshitting me if you deny it, i just wanna draw cunny without some turbo niggers trying to fucking kill me over it
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I am addicted to so many things that give quick dopamine hits and it feels incredibly difficult to dig myself out of this hole. I'm addicted to Youtube, 4chan, Twitter, Rimworld (really just building games in general), soda, energy drinks, ordering out fried food, sleeping in, masturbation, and probably more things I can't think of. It's getting worse too with the procrastination. Not only have I not drawn in a week, I also haven't showered, cooked, done dishes, done laundry, gone grocery shopping or cleaned. I feel don't indulge in any of the typical vices people think of when you say "addiction" like drugs, alchohol, or smoking but I'm falling to pieces regardless. I think it's sort of a trap that people don't really take addiction seriously unless it's really obviously self destructive for your body, because then you think you're fine and end up falling into holes without even realizing it until you're in deep
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>>5851654
stop masturbating, its incredibly harmful to your body, dont believe the retarded faggots that say its healthy, im a recovering porn addict (i cringe saying that) and i swear that shit has made me age faster, my memory gets fucked, i feel weak, i feel a cough in my chest that wont go away even though im not sick, my eyes get blurry and my back begins to hurt, all those things happen to me every single time i ejaculate and i want to fucking beat myself over it everytime, so i decided to take this seriously and treat it like the addiction it is and so far ive been clean a while now, you should do the same, as for that other stuff honestly just restrict it for your breaks inbetween drawing sessions, try to make at least one drawing a day even if its just a sketch, as for your chores well... i suppose you'll get around to doing it eventually, once you've "recovered" so to speak, ejaculation depletes your body of nutrients and causes your organs and muscles to deteriorate because your body extracts nutrients from the rest of your body in order to create more semen, essentially making up for what you just wasted, sounds like pseudoscience bullshit but trust me this shit fucks you up, so if you wanna do anything productive with your life whatsoever stop that shit now
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today is the Xth day (probably near 7th, I've lost track) that I've spent 5+ hours with my drawing software open failing to even get the basic lay in for a commission done. I don't know why I'm suddenly struggling to draw figures in very mild perspective but I'm starting to worry something is wrong with me on a mental or physical level. I've done at least 30 jobs on commission before this and I've never ever struggled this bad.
I just want to get it done man but I can't even get the basic sketch done, it's like I'm trying to draw something fucking impossible. it makes me so frustrated that I feel like a complete noob all over again, and I just want to hide away and grind figures for a year. if I wasn't so broke I would just refund the dude and be on my way, for real this is haunting me at this point
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>>5851556
Because it's a weird position to be in. If you met because you both draw, but one of you is clearly way better than the other it puts the person in that awkward spot where you're in a teacher, mentor, leader role. It's the power dynamic you see women bitch about when some famous person fucks their fans, and it might sound cruel but really what "support" do you have to offer to a big artist? It's not like you're going to be trading art advice because what advice do you have to offer that they don't already have? So at that point all I can think of is emotional support, which is valid but why would you specifically want an art friend for that? Why don't you just settle for people at your skill level?
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>>5851638
>he has really bad autism
I really don't... I think...
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>>5851613
>i just wanna draw with the gang sometimes you know.
engage in one of the threads like /alt/

or go to >>>/v/ and check out the drawthread, I actually started drawing there and I got to meet a LOT of really cool artists that I still talk to today
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I still can't feel the form. Been drawing for months, can't feel it the form. Going to grind some more boxes tomorrow, maybe it'll click. Probably not though. If you have any protips I'd love to read them tomorrow.
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>>5851700
seek out dynamic sketching with peter han. im guessing youre doing DaB? DS is DaB but better, and it has you literally drawing over forms in like the first lecture. it will have you drawing bugs within a few days and they will help you understand how to draw form for things that arent just shapes. good luck, i understand the pain of not being intuitive.
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God I hate /pol/fags
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I feel really inclined to argue with every retarded beg statement on this board but there's really just zero reason to do so other than to waste time boosting my own ego, if even that. A lot of the time I just get frustrated.
I'm getting better though. I type out the responses but I catch myself before I hit post now. I still want to help when people have legit questions I think I can help with but if they're too stupid I just won't respond
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>>5851681
Pantsu ,you're on 4chan using anime girls as reaction images. Autism is basically a requirement
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>>5851700
My protip is don't draw boxes, do your best to draw figures from reference, do gesture drawings, draw hands from reference, draw your room etc. etc. do your best to copy from life, you don't need to grind boxes...
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>>5851714
not the same anon but i honestly only draw boxes as a warm up exercise, i think it helps
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>>5851709
and i hate faggots who complain about polfags
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>Drawing coom makes me feel gross and difficult to take myself seriously (destroys my confidence)
>Hate the idea of working under some asshole boomer for shit pay getting treated like expendable garbage
>Regular job just feels like I'm wasting tons of time not drawing
I'm lost. I don't know how I'm supposed to make money off art and I don't know what compromises I should and shouldn't make
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>>5851673
i tried stepping aside to do some studies and my work legitimately looks like it did when i first started drawing. what the fuck. do i actually have brain damage???
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>>5851725
That's part of the problem notably with art in general now a days. People will pay for what is forbidden (coom, taboo, different, underground), people will pay for what is scarce (coom, fetish, dead artist's works, etc.), hence, coom is so reliable as an income, it's a social taboo that's a mixture of preying on people's loneliness, sexuality, depression, self-worth, as well as niche markets that other's aren't willing to exploit, also, an abundance of autists and weaboos to chase after 2D waifus to stave off the loneliness mixed with porn addiction. It feels pretty gross and sad to talk about in general, but it is a market that is there. The average normie doesn't necessarily care for art as a whole, it's a hoitty-toitty rich person's luxury game to them, nor for that matter the autist for the most part chasing after 2D grills, because firstly they can get it so cheaply or free online. There isn't much value in it enough to be a viable career as an artists, since only a small amount of artists will be able to make a living, be it freelance, coom, or industry professional.
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Chink friend told me that I need to focus on upping my marketing skill instead of polishing my drawing skill
Dunno how true it is but it seems like he's been doing really well selling his MS Paint-tier comics on local event for past couple of years
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>>5851792
>MS Paint-tier comics on local event for past couple of years
Care to share?
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>>5851674
Thats the thing I'm not looking for a mentor, nor to be one either i just want some drawing bros who like to draw and understand the fustration of being a artist. It's a shame that isn't enough for people and i need to have a big number attached to my post somewhere just to get this.
>>5851693
I would post in there alt but noone seems to engage with eachother in that thread except with a few selected people, and i would do drawthreads if they weren't all just all draw *insert girl* getting fuc-i meant being lewd teehee* which is boring and completely devoid of any creativity what so ever. So i just hang out in the oc threads and draw there since it's the closest this site comes to give me what I want but don't seem to get past platitudes stage, so we're not friends, just friendly.
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>>5851709
Me too, art is supposed to be an escape yet they constantly subject this board to they midwit takes about galleries and museums being run being run by you know who and others shit that doesn't stop anyone from drawing. It's just so damn tiring.
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>>5851829
Which oc thread artist are you?
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>>5851876
I won't say who, but i do make alot of deliveries there.
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I'm getting better than John already and I haven't retouched touched anatomy yet lol.
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>>5851920
That's alright, i can appreciate that.
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>>5849069
It depends on what industry you want to get into. There's a massive amount of art needed in the tech space but no contacts, so most go on Fiverr fond a niche like a logo design, git logos, web, or even furry and portrait. It's all about capturing a place and then letting word of mouth do its thing.
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/fag/ is dead
F
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>>5851981
thats unfortunate, it seemed like it was one of the few threads that had active artists posting
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>>5851991
Was good while it lasted, but it seems every furry community is doomed to succumb to autism
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>>5852025
This is why LSG reins supreme. Autism would never take root there.
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>>5852025
>>5851991
So very fragile, indeed.
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>>5852028
I derailed your thread last week for rightfully pointing out that Japan acknowledges loli/shotashit as pedophilia, you niggers are not special.
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>>5852040
>I derailed your thread last week for rightfully pointing out that Japan acknowledges loli/shotashit as pedophilia
Except Japan doesn't. Native japanese doesn't, but the amerilard proxies they have at the govt try to push their westoid agenda. You have to learn the difference between actual nippons and the amerilards living in there.
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>>5852040
You did? I didn't notice.
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>>5849129
Got damn looks good
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>>5852041
"actual" nippons who never watch anime would definitely consider it pedo
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>>5851664
Take your meds
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>>5852041
Japa doesn't revolve around anime you pathethic fucking child
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>>5852105
>>5852145
Even Kiryu Coco admitted its a joke for the natives to talk about the topic, unlike westoids who make a huge fuss about it.
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>>5851708
>>5851714
Thanks guys.
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>>5852156
>even some weeb foreigner half vtuber said
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>>5852156
fat weeb westerners get laughed at in japan, just like in america.
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A Genshinfag commissioner gave me a 1-hour lecture of Qilin mythology because I mistook Ganyu as a goat kemonomimi
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They think anyone above 13 that still talks about anime is a complete loser. It's why you see so many anime about otaku being omega bullied.
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>>5852290
Caring about what others like is a sign of underage.
Literally not a single person I work with gives a fuck that I like anime, and often they'll come to me for advice about what to let their kids watch or what anime a character is from. And I work with a bunch of southerner conservatives.

Once you get past your mid 20s you'll realize not a single person gives a fuck what you're into. Everyone is focused on their own life and goals.
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>>5852296
And? This isn't about you. Point still stands that talking about cartoons for children is the quickest way to a social suicide in Japan.
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>>5852290
>tfw didn't even know about anime until 18
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>>5852301
Anime evolved passed kids just as video games had to adopt the ESRB. Fuck off, idiot.
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this board is so shit because the majority of the people here are soulless zoomers just wanting to create shitty anime porn, and to top it off, they're only wanting to do it because they think they'll get rich from it
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>>5852305
Maybe in the west, sure. In Japan it's literally like I said. Imagine having a 26 year old coworker asking you about SpongeBob.
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>>5851638
>It's always the biggest weirdos that make the cool art.
That's not even a joke, holy shit
>I sort of envy being that autistic
Same
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>>5852313
You've never had coworkers talk about their childhood cartoons while downtime is going on? And then everyone has debates?
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>>5852323
And here it is. Sure, Shinchan and Lupin. Other than that? lol
If you think the average jap cares about the garbage this board watches I'm not even going to bother anymore.
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>>5852331
It isn't meant to be for the "average" person in the first place.
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Today I saw the gains goblin on my twitter feed and despite him drawing exactly the same as I remember from years ago I just realized there is a circle of /ic/ artists from which I'm not part of because no one knows I exist despite doing art of years, feels bad man. This is my first post on /ic/ after 2 years of not being around, I stopped posting here in order to draw more, I did draw more, a lot, but got nothing out of it outside of meager improvement. At least I do get commissions I guess.
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>>5852331
Nta but the average jap doesn't care about anything except coming home from their miserable soul crushing jobs and indulging in a hobby after spending the evening being forced to drink with their coworkers. They couldn't care less whether or not you're a weeb otaku. As long as you aren't obnoxious or creepy.
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>>5851556
I have said this before, but I find it mind blowing that even a field like Quant Finance, a field which boils down to a zero sum game of who makes more money and makes everyone else lose, is more accessible, friendly and welcoming that art. I managed to learn that and some programming from zero, from home, with the help of random online strangers with both unpaid and paid info and lots of hard work yet every time I have a question about art from a good artist I get the retarded answer of "hehe i dunno i just do it and it turns out like that" even if I'm willing to pay a shitload of money for information.

Why artists gatekeep so much? Literally what is their problem?
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>>5852351
>They couldn't care less whether or not you're a weeb otaku.
>As long as you aren't obnoxious or creepy.
......
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>>5852368
There's a huge difference between watching love live and playing it on your phone during breaks, and carrying around a daki while stiffing used panties
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>>5851700
What does feeling the form even mean
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>>5852409
Being able to rotate a cube in any degree you want freehand without using a perspective horizon line and vanishing points.
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>>5852409
Its literally "feeling" the form.
When you draw, you should be able to feel what the object feels like, and that in turn drives what you draw.
e.g. when you're drawing someone's thighs its not a straight line, its soft and round, so when you draw it, the feeling of your pencil against the paper would emulate the movement your hand would make while caressing a curve.
Feeling the form is basically just saying make sure your hand emulates that movement you'd make when running your hands over something.
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REEE I JUST WANT TO BE PERFECT AT ART LIKE THE OLD MASTERS WITHOUT HAVING TO PRACTICE OR LEARN ANYTHING REEE
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>>5852409
draw a table then draw something that's correct in perspective, as in, they're just resting on the table. That's feeling the form of the table and drawing accordingly.
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>>5852364
Their problem is that most of them just pick a technique and stick to it without any real analysis or understanding of why they like how it looks. Then there are the pros who just can't handle teaching. Being a good artist doesn't make anyone a good teacher.
So sure there's probably some gatekeeping but most of the time your average artist is just too stupid to help you with anything besides their own style of art. Man I see Japanese artists who make masterpieces of anime art but then their attempts at anything else are laughably bad. Seeing how common that was made me stop being so jealous of most asian artists.
You're probably never going to cross a well rounded artist who also knows how to teach and will do so at a reasonable price. Every art teacher I've ever had in life has been of very little actual help anyway. I made the biggest strides in my art by myself just casually browsing informative videos and applying what I watched as I watched it.
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>>5852456
>Man I see Japanese artists who make masterpieces of anime art but then their attempts at anything else are laughably bad. Seeing how common that was made me stop being so jealous of most asian artists.
Source? this alone could revoke years and years of Japanese genes shitposting
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I'm so tired of starting over from zero every single day. Its like everything I learned gets erased when I go to sleep and my lines look like shit again.
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>>5852472
you might suffer from brain damage friend!
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>>5852456
Japan invested hard on animation, so whenever they try to do something else, it very 50/50
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>>5852469
I didn't save anything, since I never felt the need to try and disprove memes. It wouldn't matter anyway because these kinds of things are pointed out here occasionally but asiangene shitters ignore it because it's easier to live in denial than discipline yourself. Basically just go on twitter and dig beyond the waifufags. It's very very noticeable among westaboo japs, because they really struggle to draw western or realistic facial features. You can also see it when you look up certain art tutorials, and just how much of what you see in asian art is effects and filters. Wild stuff, but I applied what they do to my shit and realized I wasn't as bad as I thought.

>>5852481
Basically. They specialize in something and become the best at it, but outside of that they often struggle. Of course pros are everywhere though, west or east.
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>>5851654
I can relate, at least to an extent, to your problems anon. what things, if any have you done to try to become more productive and quit/use less of certain online mediums?
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>>5851654
I feel this, the worst part is how all of this stuff eats up your time and you wonder why the fuck days are going by so fast. Makes me feel like my life is going on fast forward and I don't have as much time as everyone else does. You can spend hours and hours watching youtube, browsing 4chan etc and you don't even notice until it's like 8pm and you wonder what the fuck you did all day...
This shit really makes me feel like I have no willpower or free will whatsoever because despite wanting to do lots of shit I still waste my time like this, maybe I was the npc all along...
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>>5851664
not them, but how have you been able to abstain from porn and masturbation for as long as you have? I would certainly like to quit porn, and probably masturbation too (as when I have tried to quit porn in the past but kept on masturbating I eventually reverted back to watching/reading porn while I masturbate), but have only ever been able to quit for a couple weeks. I have tried to quit dozens of times, embarrassing as it is to say that. some times I have felt that quitting is the easiest thing in the world; other times it has felt like the hardest thing I've ever done.
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>>5849229
this type of shit ruins my day

charge upfront. if you get less traffic because of it know it's for the better
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Why am I so apprehensive about posting art on a throwaway account? No one will know who I am, it won't have any apparent consequences, and I can delete everything at any time. I have it all set up I just can't take the final leap. Why am I being such a pussy?
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>>5852605
It's because you found your style. If you were to start over, will you be able to have another style? So you gotta make it count.
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>>5852616
My styles changing every few years, that couldn't be it
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I have been drawing on/off casually since 2016 or so and I still can't fucking understand perspective. I've read the books and watched the videos, and those stupid grids and VPs still don't make any damn sense to me. At this point I genuinely think I'm a low-IQ sped and I should just accept that drawing cool robots is out of the question
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>>5852686
Stupid fucking idiot, draw with fucked up perspective, nobody cares
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>>5852519
Reading the first few chapters of Atomic Habits and doing a "dopamine detox" at the same time were the things that helped me the most, but I ended up relapsing again because I decided to listen to music on the way home from work and that one little thing caused me to relapse entirely. I'm taking a week off work next week and visiting my mom so I'm going to read the entire book this time and when I get back try it again
>>5852568
Yeah absolutely. I've had a lot of long weekends this month and last month because the holidays, but they all just flew by and I don't even remember how I spent them. I feel like an untamed animal with no control of myself. If the impulse is there I just give in
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>>5852605
why not just treat your regular account like that
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>>5851829
Okay retard then fuck off.
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>>5851763
>There isn't much value in it enough to be a viable career as an artists, since only a small amount of artists will be able to make a living, be it freelance, coom, or industry professional.
Might be kind of dunning kruger but I'm honestly convinced I could eventually make money off coom art if I actually stuck to it and learned how to really manage the business/market, but I'm held back just by my own fear of how it'll change me in the long term. Like am I really going to be fine in my 40's drawing coom for money? How am I going to explain my career choice if I date someone? How can I not feel like a clown if my life revolves around porn?
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>>5852686
What questions do you have? Maybe I can help? Also post your perspective studies
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>>5852714
Not that guy but how do you "learn" perspective?
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>>5852726
Read the books and watch the video courses in the torrent. Draw a quadrillion boxes.
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i love the idea of drawing coom, i hate the idea of having to deal with coomers
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>>5852695
>Reading the first few chapters of Atomic Habits and doing a "dopamine detox" at the same time were the things that helped me the most
I've been meaning to read that book, but just haven't gotten around to it. after I read my next book I think I'll start on it. and I'll definitely look into dopamine detoxing. thanks anon, and good luck
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>>5852711
>but I'm held back just by my own fear of how it'll change me in the long term.
I tried to do coom art, at times it's okay, at times it's not and can be very grating and repetitive. Really think about how many positions and situations you can draw naked characters doing the deed and repeat verbatim, but, then again, it gets easier, and faster, and you get the practice in. Same with a job, it gets repetitive, but you are at least on your own schedule and doing something you enjoy. The biggest take away I've learned is if you're going to draw coom or anything for that matter, make sure you enjoy it too and you would be willing to do it free so much that you like it, but still charge, that's the way to do it.
>Like am I really going to be fine in my 40's
Firstly, give me a rough estimate how old you are. Secondly, save your money don't eat out, eat groceries, and budget, live WAY under your means and stash the cash for when you become an old-fag, notably Roth-IRA maxed out, if you work part-time, see if your company offers a 401k and max it out too.
>How am I going to explain my career choice if I date someone?
Be honest. Also being a good artists helps, but you mentioned dunning kruger, but you're future gf would maybe be okay with, depending on the person. Also, being financially stable, competent and mature helps a lot so you don't come off as some rando incompetent porn addicted man-child, have investments in retirement mutual funds, have savings, have a plan too.
>1 day goals
>1 week goals
>1 month goals
>1 year future goals
>3 year future goals
>5 year future goals
>15 year future goals
>20 year future goals
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>>5852726
Perspective is a concept with some fairly simple baseline rules. It's the same as learning what addition and multiplication is in math. You learn what the rules are, and then you experiment with different set ups.
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>>5852759
Cont.:
>How can I not feel like a clown if my life revolves around porn?
Be good at it, challenge yourself and make both sfw and nsfw paid content commissions, the majority bulk of your cash flow would be nsfw but then you can just say you make nsfw on the side and that sfw is your main bread and butter, when the opposite is true. Also, make sure not to ONLY make nsfw, sprinkle in sfw as well, so your audience and fans know you do both if you want to abandon ship on the nsfw or bounce between the two. Depends really on what your goals are in the end game, financial, life, social, overall, art, all your goals evaluated.
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>>5852744
Which one of the 3 different stickies?
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>>5852726
You have to ask more specific questions than that if you want actual help. I'm sure you already know what resources to study if you've been lurking this board already
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>>5852759
>Firstly, give me a rough estimate how old you are.
Early 20's. I'm not really talking about money I'm more talking about is a 40 year old man going to be happy doing something like that for a living.
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I retweeted an artist that had been posting for a bit and had no followers and he jumped to 400 followers. Helping fellow artists is such a good feeling.
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>>5852766
>Also, make sure not to ONLY make nsfw, sprinkle in sfw as well, so your audience and fans know you do both if you want to abandon ship on the nsfw or bounce between the two.
Idk if that's going to work the way you think it will. I have some pretty niche autistic fetishes, which is what I'm betting on to get more cash, and I don't think anyone that wants to see my sfw stuff is going to follow if I'm sprinkling nasty stuff they don't want to see into their feed. I want to do more aesthetic sfw stuff, so I feel like if I have weird fetish art in my timeline that's going to put a dent in my follower count. Of course I could just do two split accounts but I've found I end up neglecting one for the other if I do that
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>>5849229
That means your art sucks. If it was good enough then that person would pay you.
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>>5852233
A weeb foreigner would be assblasted about japs not following the amerikabbalistic autism against lolis
>>5852239
Yeah everyone laughs at Amelia Watson for sure, especially Sakura Miko, right?
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>>5849069
>full time job at 45hr/week
>2hr/day on fitness classes
>20 hr/week studying art
>4hr/week volunteering at a hospital
>monthly drill in the military reserves and training for their skill requirements on my off-time as well
>try to get adequate sleep, eat healthy and enough, and maintain social life with friends
>refuse to give up a full schedule
>hard to make it
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>A faggot who listed out reading crap about being a pedo on an anon vent thread.

Man. I cant think if anyone more pathetic
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>>5852766
>Be good at it
basically this. A lot of art boils down to someone dedicating their life to drawing silly pictures. Comics, television, porn, advertising, etc. The key is to take is very seriously and be very good at it.
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>>5852916
>Early 20's. I'm not really talking about money I'm more talking about is a 40 year old man going to be happy doing something like that for a living.
Depends on what you want, and your goals. But I should ask you some pre-planning ideas, where do you see yourself at age 60? What would be the perfect day when you are at age 60, do you have a home, a family, a career? Also, the magic-wand mental exercise you should play around with, if you had a magic wand with 10 super-goals you could accomplish what would they be, and that you could do anything within reason, money wasn't an issue WITHIN reason, excluding magical things like immortality and god like powers, what would you do? Would you own a successful art studio, a business, be retired early, etc.? What are your goals EXACTLY, and work backwards from there, and I'll repeat exactly your goals. Everyone is different, I would say though that you should make multiple back up plans too, either a degree in a good paying field or a blue collar trade that pays well and is always needed like an electrician or welder. Look to a community technical college too for some well paying trades, if I was gonna go back I would be an electrician, go into IT, or something else, although I make pretty damn good money currently myself at my non-art job. A good book I would recommend is "Jack Canfield's: The Success Principles" which highlights some good goal setting and basic buisness ideas, half way into the book it gets a little too buisness'y and can get dry quick. Again, map out your goals, and HAVE BACK UP PLANS, even if working part time or barely on your side job from your art job, it would be good and safe to have a safety net just incase. Verbally and on here, just give me a rough breakdown of your 10 magic-wand goals, and what a perfect day of retirement looks like to you broken down hour by hour.
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>>5853062
Yes, but also, make sure you enjoy it, the creation process and the subject, if not, then you might as well get a full time normie job, and make SURE it pays well and it's the kind of lifestyle you want, then as always, bank your money hard for the bad times, because the good times are an anomaly, the bad times are the default.
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>>5853046
That's 83 hrs a week of what you are doing, I would tone it back a bit honestly. Idk if you are being truthful about 20 hrs a week studying art, but it comes down to quality studying vs quantity, work smarter not harder. I would suggest taking a sunday off to decompress, meditate with breathing exercises, and not doing anything with technology, turn off your phone, PC and TV, and do something relaxing. Read a good book, have a nice coffee. Reflect on the past days, weeks, months, years, and look towards the future as well. But you need time to digest all of this, and time to give both your mind and body a day to digest and recover from all of that work. I'd say pyw, but more so out of curiosity.
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>>5852350
are you making decent money?
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I want to change
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I'm actually enjoying doing rendering warmups. Before this i only ever sketched with lines to warm up but this is really making me use a different part of my brain. I will master values and then I'll make the color wheel my bitch. This is finally fun again. I haven't had fun just drawing in so long.
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like how the fuck do you paint? reverse engineering feels like im bashing against the wall in complete darkness, whenever i watch a speedpaint of someone they fill in flat colours in like 5 strokes without even bothering with the line art, while i am clicking the stupid fill button only to get my shitty laptop freeze for a couple of seconds before turning my screen into one giant blob of deep skin-2.
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>>5853419
Know your program. If you use csp then learn about reference layers, they help immensely in bucket filling areas. Takes a couple clicks as long as your lineart isn't a mess. But if it is, then lasso tool.
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I’m fucking depressed and want to say things with my art, but I just can’t form any ideas. If I sit down and paint/draw—it’s literally always a guy’s face or someone standing there.
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>>5853426
have you thought about drawing anything else?
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>>5853426
I drew a shitton of grotesque monsters and creatures when I went through depression, try those. Or stop repressing yourself and make some depressing self indulgent emo edgy shit, you don't have to show it to anyone.
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i hate painting so much it's unreal
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>>5853208
>Idk if you are being truthful about 20 hrs a week studying art, but it comes down to quality studying vs quantity, work smarter not harder.

My routine is ~3 hours a weekday and then ~6hr on Saturday or Sunday. I usually a Sunday off, but I still do other things like fitness and grocery shopping.

This was mine almost 10 years ago before I ended up working full time: https://img-lb.fireden.net/ic/image/1481/69/1481696166418.jpg

Nowadays my sketches are very dirty and repetitive. They're not made to look good for twitter or anything. I pull up Pinterest or art station and aim at my weak spots and just brute force my way into understanding them. Or just scrolling through Pinterest. Sometimes I don't draw, I read and research for my stories. I really don't mind the work at all.

My ultimate goal it to paint a portrait of America through my graphic novels. I decided it's cheaper to draw the page myself instead of hiring someone, who may not even care about my stories as much as I do.
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>>5853544
Nice stuff, and god speed, especially with your graphic novel, sounds really interesting. I'm trying to work on some comic stuff myself as well, but wish I had more personal time off. I usually end up working 55 to 65 hours a week myself, and after that I usually I end up just sleeping. Are you going to self-publish it and sell it online or have a retailer sell it?
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I hate women so much, holy shit
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>>5853591
They hate you too man
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>>5849237
Shoujo is basic AND boring
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Literally ANY other hobby you can spend a week, maybe a few weeks tops and reach a level where it's enjoyable and impressive to others. In art you have to sell your soul to fucking Satan, practice 16 hours a day for ten years living as a hobo in a tent by the ocean just to draw a stick figure. Why? FUCKING WHY???
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>>5853671
What hobby can you spend just a few weeks on to the point it's impressive to others?
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>>5853671
Why? Because you're male, that's why. You're playing on normal difficulty. Females can just start an onlyfans and rake in the money.
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>>5853675
Pretty much any instrument, sports if you already have the physique, cooking, coding (say to make a website or app), learning a language, hell even writing you could probably throw together an interesting short story or two in a short span of time. Let's say you put an equal amount of time into each of these hobbies. Art would hands down be the one you would make the LEAST amount of progress in a months time. It's not even a contest. You could grind out all day and night and you would still lose to the guy who learned a few recipes or chords on the guitar.
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>>5853300
All things considered no. Problem is not the price its how long it takes me from going to 0 to a finished picture
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what's with western coom artists and futa
I mean japs draw futas too but they are a voice in the chorus but when I check out most western artist's profile it's futa 24/7 90% of the time.
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>>5853671
The lack of any notable beginner beginner gains with drawing is pretty frustrating. When you start practicing anything else, there's so much you can learn and immediately apply to your work that you'll see vast, rapid improvement for a while. A beginner stagnating while practicing something other than drawing is unthinkable.
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>>5853701
What keeps me going is that I see the payoff as more worth it than any other skill. With an instrument you can please the ear, with a book you can tell a story, but with art there are simply no boundaries: entire worlds are at your fingertips. It's the closest we commoners can get to playing god.
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>>5853685
LOL spend a couple and weeks on any of those and report back to us
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>>5853711
Nta but I took a piano class in college having never played any instrument or knowing anything about music. It was once a week for 8 weeks because it was an intermission class. The teacher said by the end I would be able to read sheet music and play several songs and know how to learn new songs from there. I didn't believe him but I actually did it.
That anon is right, you can make significantly faster progress in any one of the things he listed than you can with drawing.
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>>5853671
>working out
Takes months. Even just losing weight can take years.
>coding
Takes at least a few months to be a /beg/ and making horrible janky programs you copy and pasted from SO. Even BS grads still suck.
>any form of wood/metalwork
Probably longer than art.

Anything worth doing Takes a long time. Otherwise everyone would be able to do it from the week we spent on it in school.
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>>5853711
He's right, though. Normally, if you spend a few weeks seriously practicing a new skill, you will improve dramatically. Sure, you won't be a professional by any means, but you will very clearly be better than where you started and have a good foundation to build from. Drawing is the only skill I've encountered that can't be learned efficiently, at least not through any method I've discovered.

>>5853849
>Anything worth doing Takes a long time.
I have never found this to be true. If I just jump in to a new hobby, I always find that the barrier to entry is far lower than I imagined it to be, and that it takes no time at all to pick up the basics and start having fun with it. Drawing is the only exception.
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>>5853591
You only them because you can't even have the ones with selfworth low enough to pit up with your shitty ass personality.
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>>5853796
>>5853967
You can spend a couple of weeks to learn how to photo copy a reference and that will most certainly impress people. The difference here is that you're all here because you actually want to get good at drawing and know what that entails - being able to draw anything you imagine. Oh, so you learnt piano after 8 weeks? Well let's here you improvise a song! Let's see you compose your own piece! What's that? You can't? Because you can't get 'good' at music or playing instruments any better than you can get good at drawing or observation and line/value control. You're moping and complaining about how it's so unfair that advanced drawing skills seem to be so much harder to learn than the basic music skills or basic any fucking thing else skill.
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>>5849507
saw that and immediatly recognized your art and thought it was stolen.
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>>5849512
You're autistic. If you didn't want him using your drawing for him album cover then you should've told him no, or, just asked him to pay to use it. You told him he could, and he did. Are you a woman? Are you afraid of a little confrontation? Stop being such a cuck nigger and tell him to fuck off. Blocking him? What are you a little girl? Grow some balls dude holy fuck. The fucking autistic losers on this website I swear.
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>>5853994
It was more like... I agreed to do a commission for him and he asked if he could use a different drawing in the mean time. I said yes without hearing out his idea, once he told me I blocked him... I think that should've made it pretty clear I changed my mind.

anyway... it was shady at least
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>>5854012
It sounds like it could very well be his interpretation of events was that he openly asked permission to do something from you, then you blocked him for some reason he couldn't decipher, shrugged it off then did the thing you gave him permission to do based on the details you've given out this thread. Did you shout at him 'wait that's what you said? no you can't do that!' or something before blocking him? Did he exhibit any behavior that acted as a strong indicator he used your art despite knowing you didn't want him to? Because blocking him suddenly isn't the clear message you think it is if that's all you did.
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>>5853671
I've often thought about this. A couple of years ago I started cooking and I've become so good that I sell food from my house and have a better rating than most most the restaurants in the area. On the other hand I've been drawing obsessively since 2014 and I'm still nowhere near pro
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These days I just don't feel like drawing at all... I wonder if I even like drawing in the first place
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>>5854039
That's dope that you do that. Do you need a license? Where do you market yourself?
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>>5853601
DW, I've known that for over a decade
And I hate them 10 times more.
>>5853975
Oh, just shutup you delusional retard.
Def another idiot roastoid.
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>>5854137
Proved his point by the way you responded lmao, you incel bitches are a parody of yourselves. Go put a bullet through your skull bussy boy.
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>>5854137
Back to /pol/, lil' Tonyo stan..
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How do fucking fix the hole inside of me.
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>went through a rough patch and stopped talking to my friends
>not out of spite but bc I think I’m not good enough to even have friends
>now playing this online game where a newbie player can apply to be your mentee
>actually get excited when my mentee talks to me
>realizes I miss having friends
im so pathetic bros
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>>5854287
Choke on my thick unwashed chode,roast.
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>>5854360
Your pathetic seething about wamyn in le 4chan art vent thread is just desperate cope for being the subhuman waste of genetic material that you are you fucking nigger, your whore mother shat you out after being fucked by dogs.
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>>5854360
You can get balanitis from that. Know what that's like? Your dick becomes a balloon and stings all over because it's so irritated from the bacteria that the skin becomes icky and wet. Go ahead and keep your dick unclean.
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>>5854376
fuck dog shit man
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>>5854376
>>5854379
Be silent, WHORE.

You're meaningless ramblings are like the squeals of enraged sows.
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>>5854386
Only you would know what enranged sows sound like since you live among them everyday your whole life.
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>>5854390
Yes, and I'm talking to one right now....

I'll slaughter you with my bare hands myself then feed you to starving orphans dumb disgusting roast.
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>>5854386
Be SiLeNt wHorE
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>>5853591
are you gay?
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>>5854397
LMAO This is supposed to be scary?
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>>5854386
*Your
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>>5854407
You are nothing to me, roast beef.

You are nothing but a disgusting whore like all women and you deserve to be dragged into the street and beaten then gangbanged by mangy dogs
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>>5853564

I wouldn't self publish. There's plenty of shitty self-published things online because there was no vetting process for quality. I believe it helps to have a second or third set of eyes look at your work and view it from a perspective that's not so attached. I would go with publishers that have reputation for putting out some good stuff and see which one will take me. Right now I am only worried about creating something good and completing it.

Regarding jobs: It might help to find a job that feels like it's taking you somewhere closer to your goals rather than just a means to get by, and might even add to your art. Find a job you don't mind or might even enjoy, and think of the reward at the end. I consider military to be my career, and it's considered difficult and there is a lot of bullshit, but at the end of the day I like it and I believe it adds to me as a person and an artist. If I ended up in an "art related job" where I get paid less and I have to use my art skills to draw someone else's stupid ideas, that would've eaten me alive. It would've taken me away from my own art.

Speaking of that, it helps to have a job that doesn't use the same parts of your brain as drawing. When I did full time work in the military, I had no issues drawing. But full time work plus doing full time school at the same time (STEM degree), I barely drew and I put art on the burner for 3 years. Was it worth it? You tell me. That's 3 years I could've spent drawing, but now I have a STEM degree with no debt, some savings, and a step closer to my career goal (become a commissioned officer) - which I believe will help with my graphic novels due to real life experience and an access to wider range of roles, places to go, and people to meet. Now that I got school over with, I am drawing again.
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fuck me
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Can't tell if my style is uncanny or not, I've been isolated for so long I worry what I find attractive is actually grotesque.
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>>5849079
you are the definition of a cuck desu
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>>5849116
maybe its just not their ambition in life to be an artist.... not everyone wants to make it a career
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It feels weird and kind of scary that people seem to be starting to actually watch me.
The other day my twitch art stream got raided and people started talking to me, usually I have 0-2 views so it kind of freaked me out.
And I started hitting milestones on Twitter as well and getting a lot more followers and likes than I'm used to.

It just feels like there's more pressure on me now. When I had essentially nobody giving a shit I didn't mind that I periodically draw like a deviantart kid. Now I feel like people are expecting something from me.
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>>5854555
they aren't
if you die tomorrow nobody on the internet would miss you
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>>5854561
Your mom would.
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>>5854568
Well, yeah. Maybe even your dog.
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>>5854064
No license (3rd world fag here). I got approved by a food delivery company and that was it. I told my friends to tell everyone and my little business has grown on word of mouth alone. I stick to a small menu that consists of Anglo-Indian and Goan food (mulligatawny, vindaloo, sorpotel, etc)
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I'm afraid starting new drawing because it will turn out bad.
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I’m afraid
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>>5854694
good
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just threw out ~30lbs of sketchbooks with porn (not necessarily 100%) finally. my sister saw some of it a few months ago when she was going through sketchbooks I thought was empty because she wanted to use one and for some fucking reason I kept two with porn in them in that container. it's finally gone
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>>5854880
Porn? Coom? HENTAI?
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>>5854880
I remember when my sister found the drawings I did of her in the shower. That shit's always awkward as fuck man, I feel or you.
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>>5854893
yep. I had a phase for a couple of years where I drew so much fucking porn. I draw other things now
>>5854895
glad that a lot of other people have experienced the same shit I wanted to drive off a cliff in embarrassment
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I hate this board. I genuinely don't want to be here. I'm sick of seeing the same retarded crab shitposting and dunning kruger /beg/ takes every single day, but I don't know where else to go to talk about art. I seriously just need somewhere else to go and I genuinely will never come back here
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>>5855406
You're here forever. Did you think that was just a meme?
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>>5855406
animechads own the artworld
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>>5855417
>artworld
>pixiv expo
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>>5855419
its the artworld that matters.
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I usually like to be accepting of furries, because the majority of them are harmless degenerates, but the ones that always give me the creeps are when the furries they draw look a *bit* too much like actual animals.
I guess furries who draw non-sparkledog looking stuff, but also the ones who only draw the typical actual animal rape victims like dogs (German shepherds and labs especially for some reason, it’s always those breeds when I hear of actual degens raping their animals) and horses. Huge red flag for me and I can’t help but think they want to actually rape dogs or horses. At least furfags whose fursona is a pastel half wolf half unicorn has some separation or reality, same with scalies to an extent. Although I have met a few furries who bring up animal rape a bit too frequently as well.
Just ranting about justifiable furfag prejudice.
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>>5851087
yes
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I hate lineart. If it wasn't for my fagpad I wouldn't even bother with it.
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>>5851714
I quit drawing digital in around 2015 or so. Now that i think of it, the tablet's charging fucking up and the charger being really fucking difficult to find might have been the reason why i stopped digital. Now im an int tier. I still kinda beat myself up now and then for giving up in 2015/2016. Only picking up back in 2018.

I did plenty of gesture drawing tho. That helped a lot in conditioning me to think of poses as gestures and line of action till today.

Any of you who crammed DaB, how about this. 50% cram it, 50% do whatever the fuck you want. Trace 3d models if you want, i did that in 2018 and learned quicksketching, planning where the arms and legs should've been, and also learned how to draw clothing, hair, perspective. I dont do that anymore tho except for real complicated poses like wrestling moves, and even then i just trace the gestures and hand positions. Even a well-known artist in my art niche also traced 3d models from time to time and frankly, nobody gives a crap if the results looked nice at the end.

Seriously dont turn all your drawing life into box grinding. Its a quick way to get absolutely fucking bored at art.
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>>5855683
I'm the opposite.
I fucking hate color.
If I could solely do lineart I would. I only want to work on the lineart and underlying foundation but if I don't smash basic colors on it every treats it as unfinished.
Fuck coloring.
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My right scapula hurts so much I don't know why
I have been drawing 2+ hours/day everyday for more than 2 years and this never happened before
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>>5856198
That just happens as we age, bones start hurting for no reason.
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I already vented but fuck it, I have more to say.
I don't know why I can't create high level finished pieces. It seems like I can do all the individual components well enough but whenever I try to go for it I stall out or fall flat. It makes no fucking sense and I'm so fucking sick of it.
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I'm friends with some really big artists with like 15-25k+ follower count and who regularly contribute to large indie game projects and other art-related works. I like them a lot as people and we've enjoyed each others company, but despite having know them for years and being close I've never been able to worm my way into their projects or artist circles, or even replicate a 1/10th of their success.
They don't retweet or interact with what I post art-wise, though they always talk about how cool my shit is and how they're shocked I don't work in the industry or have game projects.
I don't blame them for not signal-boosting me. I've never brought it up, and I doubt they are doing it to distance themselves from my admittedly weird body of work, but it still frustrates me to no end. They say your network is your networth, but despite being close to multiple people who've worked on big indie game projects and have a good income from doing art full time I've never been good enough to hang with them it feels like.
I'd post my work, but I know that at least one of them lurks /ic/ so I don't want to out myself because asking for that kind of exposure to someone I've known for years and consider a friend makes me feel like I'm trying to use them, and it doesn't feel right.
It just kinda hurts I guess. I don't really know if I'll ever be worth being part of a team with how I do things if I'm this close with those kinds of people and am always looked over.
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I frequently wonder what it would feel like to kill someone...
Mostly women.
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My dad told me to sell my /beg/ trash arts as NFT after he heard a relative get easy bucks from it
Should I do it? I'm not exactly familiar with this NFT stuff or crypto shit by the way
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>>5856328
15-25k isn't really "big". My old /ic/ friend has 20k and his art would make /beg/ blush. Odd thing is if I try being chummy with them now it would come off as if I'm trying to get them to retweet me when I don't give a shit about that.
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>>5856510
Start with yourself nigger
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>>5854421
So true bestie
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>>5856579
Just know that any gamer will dislike and unfollow you. Might be worth it, might not in the long run.
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>see artist used to stream
>check old vods
>see just how effortlessly they draw
>chicken scratches a complicated curve but it actually looks like one continuous stroke because each stroke perfectly fits into previous one
>one stroke=one line; never uses undo because they never make a mistake like me
>controls lineweight without any issue; all lines taper into each other perfeftly
>one monochrome illustration finished each 30 minute (it would take me about 6 hours if I wanted similar clean lines)
>perspective, form, foreshortening, lineweight all effortlesly included without any measuring or errors
>the realisation just how awful i am at drawing dawns
I feel like subhuman compared to people with talent. Like I shouldn't draw at all. The thing I create in 35 minutes compared to theirs is like... too much to cope with. It really feel like they are different species, or deities and I am just worthless piece of shit trying to mimic something I wasn't born to do. The more I draw, the less I want to because I just see how miniscule my ability to draw is compared to these people. It makes me feel like a masochist engaging in self-torture activity.
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I got covid months ago and I still have problems with my sense of smell. The past couple days I've had nothing but a constant smell of burning and a physical burning sensation far up in my nose. I still smell most things vaguely but meats and proteins all smell completely foul. Like burning trash. When I eat them I taste them vaguely how they're supposed to taste, and the smell seems to disappear, but this shits crazy. This is some nerve damage.
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>>5856852
Did you get tested with the swab?
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>>5856857
No the person I got it from tested positive, I knew it was covid so I didn't bother testing
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>>5856836
Genes. There is no point in drawing, if it doesn't occur to you naturally. You finally understand that.
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>>5856852
Hey I had the same thing happen to me. It lasted for 4 months for me until I started smelling again albeit the smells were just like you described.

The good news is you can smell again. It's just your nose has been out of commission for so long that it has to retrain itself on what smells are what. So start smelling lots of things and maybe to smell training. It'll take another month or 2 before your smell is 70% restored.



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