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IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.

Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the Drawthread with fundamental exercises.

POST DRAWINGS YOU NEED HELP WITH.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS using one of the following methods:
1.-screenshot the image and post that instead
2.-change camera capture settings to something smaller
3.-send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>5848178
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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.
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is the /beg/ discord still around?
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Does anyone have an idea into how to make stylized eyes?
I FUCKING SUCK AT THAT!!!!!!
Please don't send me to do meme real life studies, I have done that with no avail, and I want to properly study stylized eyes, it's the only thing that hinders me from being int.
Also, kind of unrelated, but how do you study cartoon/anime head proportions?

PLEASE HELP ME! DON'T SEND ME TO DO REAL LIFE STUDIES, THAT SHIT DOESN'T HELP! PLEASE I /BEG/
YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

>>5849320
https://discord.gg/q9NxZfzN
https://discord.gg/xA8TYYN4
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>>5849265
and i'll prolly draw her too
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2/beg/ lol
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I hate not being constant
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>>5849329
If you're gonna claim how good you are, you're obligated to post your work. You'll be mocked either way.
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If you can't draw eyes, just draw an outline of an almond.
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How does anyone draw people physically interacting? Even with references while I can draw people separate, the second I try to draw someone touching another it doesn't work.
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>>5851137
line of action
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>>5851116
The Eye.
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>>5851137
Draw one person first then draw the other person. Erase any overlapping parts. If your reference isn't clear you need to use anatomy knowledge to make your drawing believable enough.
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>>5849265
Beet with teeth. LMFAO!!!
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>>5851627
BEET? FEET???
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>>5851678
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>>5851732
omg
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Gave this a go
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>>5853058
strong
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>>5849265
going back through Fun With a Pencil again to try and practice drawing from shoulder/elbow instead of my wrist because lately when I draw with my wrist it starts hurting immediately
anyone got any tips
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Fuck you you fucking kike nigger faggots
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>>5853439
Come on you janny queermos and ban me like I banned your mom's ass last night with MUH DICK
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now it's time to get serious
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>>5853448
Get serious ith my dick!
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Would it be racist if I have fried chicken for lunch tomorrow?
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>>5853452
hey you bitch, you fucking asshole you crab goblin bastard
bitch ass Katsunei acolyte
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>>5853458
You're a cocksucking cocksucker who sucks cocks!
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/beg/ more like /wtgig/ (waiting to get institutionalized general)
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>>5849339
BOOBA
>>5849375
Prespective + Anatomy + Figure drawing + Rendering with Ink or pencil , take courses or read a book, both will help you improve

>>5853304
I really like the top one, you should try doing that same excercise for something you like

>>5853308
Needs more clarity in the shape of the hand, make it more.
>>5853447
like the pose but it needs work in the lower area, the legs are too thin given the pose and prespective
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>>5853465
Better than you thread which you be /dsf/ or DUMP STUPID FUCKER!
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>>5853458
I am going to pretends to be you till the end of time anon.
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>>5853471
You have no talent in both drawing and humor.
get help or buy a rope
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but first lemme draw some alice real quick
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>>5853473
Okay.
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can anyone tell why this isnt working? I hope it is just because I haven't drawn males in a long time
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b-bros? how is your doohinkus doing today?
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more boxy lads
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trying to rotate bodies, can someone help point out what's wrong?
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I royally fucked up keeping the lines straight on the m4. I guess I just have to practice drawing straight lines? This is my first time putting pen to paper since like 2020. Figured I’d start a watercolor journal while I was at a training event for work.
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>>5853488
stop symbol drawing
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>>5853473
Wait. Is this a crabbing?
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>>5853531
She looks honey
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>>5853514
that looks pretty dope

have you wrapped anatomy on any of them yet? are you using refs?
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>>5853537
how is it crabbing when he had already crabbed himself
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>>5853545
gonna start wrapping anatomy on them soon, and the skaters were referenced
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>>5853550
How does somebody crab themself?
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>>5853488
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My last full sketch from a few days ago, dont remember if I posted it yet.
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Hold on Imma draw some Reimu.
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>>5851618
Bad advice
Draw them both at the same time
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>>5853472
you're not the first or last and just wasting your time
like me
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where did it go wrong i liked the sketch so much but my colors make me vomit lmao

>>5853514
these look clean. haven't done mannequins in a while maybe i'll practice those today
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>>5853583
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>>5853583
>>5853585
I can copy this
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>>5853583
your sketch was already fucked due to proportions
but messiness creates ambiguity and hides mistakes
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kill yourself
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>>5853575
Imma copy this one next
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>>5853593
fuck thanks. where are the proportions wrong
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>>5853606
get a reference of the character and measure the ratio of the head, neck, eyes and mouth, and their relative positions
preferably in front view and side view, so you can keep both in mind when doing a 3/4 view
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>>5853618
wow thanks i'm learning so much!!
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>>5853630
i remember you, you were the guy who would post along side the chalkfag, pink man and BITCH ASS katsunei
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>>5853606
Hair is too tall/unnatural looking
eyes are looking derp
neck too tall
I wouldn't worry about colours when you have problems like this to fix anon
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>>5853645
thanks i was just bored. you're definitely right.
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>>5853571
I'm gonna... cooom
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Have rope will seek hope from rope
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>>5853656
shut the fuck up goblin bastard
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>>5853643
i'm just sad that after all this time i'm still getting told to focus on proportions. when do i get to play with colors :((
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>>5853666
who cares just draw what you want
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like reimu hakurei
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>>5853663
I thought you peopeme where my friends wa sit all a lie
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>5853585
next time you do a drawing, draw different pieces on different layers (e.g. draw hair on the hair lair, draw eyes on the eye layer etc.) so if you need to correct a mistake you won't erase the wrong lines by accident and leave black specks and broken lines all over the place.
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I think you people are meaner to me than to most others I ausowoect it’s because I’ve, white and you’re all a inch of filthy niggers
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>>5853697
I think you are pretty good but you don't dare to actually finish a drawing, which is the main reason that's keeping you here.

The guy who keeps posting hate posts towards you feels like he's the goggly eye sketch schizo, he's probably doing it out of jealousy.
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>>5853705
>The guy who keeps posting hate posts towards you feels like he's the goggly eye sketch schizo, he's probably doing it out of jealousy.
i don't give a shit about him you bitch ass katsunei acolyte
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>>5853705
The last time, I finished something they’re told me it was terrible and that’d I shouldn’t have bothered
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The only thing I understand is line of action. I don't even feel like I have an understanding of that. What's the best way to learn how to gesture?
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>>5853713
Your style is not to my taste and there are definitely some anatomical issues but it's far, far from terrible.

Remember that anonymity hides a lot of shit, if someone types like >>5853712 it's probably best just to ignore it as long as you know what you are doing wrong.
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>>5853719
stop trying to project crab
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>>5853722
This guy is going to make it >>5853713
The only thing you will make it to is a shallow grave outside of a mental hospital.
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>>5853724
this is why i hate other artists like scasdog and the drawthread drawfags
because you fucking pieces of shit won't let me draw in peace
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listening to breaking bad while drawing like a genuine 12 year old rate

>>5853670
cute reim
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>>5853733
>breaking bad
meant breaking benjamin
man it's been like a decade since I've listened to these songs, so cold and diary of jane
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>>5853715
i kek'd
Learn gesture after observation ,construction, and perspective. If you already did learn those things read vilppu's drawing manual
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>>5853730
like just turn off the computer lol
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>>5853730
>scasdog and the drawthread drawfags

literallywho
I would want to kms if I can get namedropped by someone who's legitimately mentally ill.
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I've been copying one ref a week. Pretty happy with my gains so far
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>>5853752
Without the mess
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>>5853752
>>5853755
not bad but draw more bro
one ref like this every day would be a start
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if I want to get good at perspective should I practice by drawing by or eyeballing?
i assume eyeballing?
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>>5853756
You're right. I need to stop playing Vidya
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>>5853759
do both
draw with rulers, then freehand, then check it
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>>5853764
I almost completely gave up video games after drawing became serious for me as a hobby, I hope this happens to you too one day anon.
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Gone bed
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>>5853778
not that anon but since i started drawing i spend like 90% less time playing video games as i used to. I also don't even play multiplayer games by myself too. Video games are shit anyway desu.
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>>5853799
Nice girly bulge.
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>>5853802
Git gud fagit
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>>5853804
Bfd
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I know nothing about lighting and shading and rending (with pencil)

I've spent the past few months trying to better realize form, and have grown a better understanding of it.

But I can't shade or create form through rendering at all. How do I start from knowing nothing on it?
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>>5853805
why get good at a video game when i can get good at drawing instead? :^)
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I've done it.
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>>5853715
Figure Drawing: Design and Invention - Michael Hampton
but desu you might want to start with ktd
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>>5853678
Work big to small, not top to bottom.
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>>5853730
>i hate other artists like scasdog
>because you fucking pieces of shit won't let me draw in peace
Where did that come from? I never even talked to you or said anything about you, besides that one time you said you wanted to talk to me, I invited you to come on twitter and talk, and you just never did.
What did I ever do to you for you to hate me so much?
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>>5853846
NTA but you were born but your momma should have aborted you and flushed your fetus of shit down the toilet
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>>5853846
>I invited you to come on twitter and talk, and you just never did.
>What did I ever do to you for you to hate me so much?
what
i don't remember, either way it doesn't matter, i don't really want to interact with people on twitter much anymore
it's for the best so i won't piss anymore people off
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>>5853822
gaymers btfo
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>>5853839
Congratulations on your milestone, anon. It's only uphill from here, believe in yourself.
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>>5849265
Heres my latest work
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>>5849265
i want her to ride me reverse cowgirl and watch her fart and maybe drop a few small nuggets as she cums
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>>5853843
It didn't work
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>>5853871
Its weird how decent your rendering and some parts of the anatomy are but your pose and face both suck hard
I think if you used references you'd produce nice stuff
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traced his eyes
I just don't understand
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>>5853971
gooseman unironically has lopsized eyes IIRC.
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>>5853439
>>5853447
BASED
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Brent Eviston tries to teach you to learn how to draw handles from any angle by placing the outline in one plane of a 3D box and then drawing in the contours. He encourages /beg/s to apply this to other angles - any angle - and learn the process. The problem is he doesn't explain how this would translate to drawing a handle that's facing the viewer or is partially hidden. He just draws one from a side angle.

I thought he might elaborate on this in his recently-released book version of The Art and Science of Drawing, but I opened the .pdf and it turns out he actually completely omitted handles from his updated version altogether. That leads me to believe that Eviston realized that rotating curved objects inside a cube was too advanced for an absolute beginner to grasp and scrapped the idea from his later /beg/ teachings. You can barely even find any images on the internet of mug handles that aren't from a near-total side angle so I'm inclined to believee that it's really difficult to draw one. What do you think /beg/?
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>>5853973
Actually, reality is a beg as fuck
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>>5853996
I never knew he published a book based on his course. Can you link me to it anon?
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>>5853778
Not him, but I pretty much barely played vidya even before drawing and now I hope drawing kills the pointless internet browsing.
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>>5853871
If you turn your drawing into b&w, you can see how muddled your values are. You need lighter lights and darker darks to make your image pop up more. Some areas are also too smoothed out, making it lack good shape language. I would also add some basic shading to the middleground trees, same what you did with the statue.
Anyway you are willing to put in more effort than 90% of this board so good job and GMI.
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>>5853996
Find a real mug and draw it. Holy shit.
3D Model: https : //skfb dot ly/6ppvD
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>>5854035
I have one but can't figure out how to utilise his box method to draw it. How do you place this inside of a cube for example? He said it's not a case of being able to draw it, but of learning the process that makes it possible to draw any handle.

Like I said earlier, don't pretend this is basic stuff because Eviston clearly saw the mistake he had made in including it in a course for absolute beginners and removed it from his futuer teaching.
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>>5854056
>put the mug in the box
Use your imagination. Don't blame the teacher for your shortcomings.
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/beg/ is terminal
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>>5853998
Hey I didn’t give you permission to draw my wife!
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I want to draw but I don't want to spend hours grinding boxes and cylinders and perspective grids. I just wanna draw figures and portraits and gestures and anime and learn as I go along rather than sit through this tedious basic shapes shit. Can I still make it despite this?
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>>5854094
Yes, you don't have to grind gorillion boxes or cylinders before attempt to draw what you like.
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>>5854094
Definitely. Combine what you study to what you like to draw.
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>>5854097
>>5854103
Figure drawing it is then. I'll get an anatomy book.
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/beg/ wolves
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im too depressed to draw or paint anymore and working on them is actually making my problems worse. i dont know ill feel like shit if i don't draw, ill keep feeling like shit if i do. is it over for me?
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>>5853996
I think it's just hard to teach rotating objects to absolute begs when they're still struggling with drawing the basic forms properly.
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>>5854065
I will. The fact that the "Rims and Handles" episode is the only part of The Art and Science of Drawing that Eviston specifically removed from the course when he made an updated book is proof that rotating complex cylinders in boxed perspective is far beyond what he expects absolute beginners to be able to do. Stop crabbing.
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>>5849329
>THAT SHIT DOESN'T HELP!
If that's the case then you are too stupid to do art, sorry.
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>>5854209
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>>5854220
>unconstructive discussion
>download.jpg
die mobilenigger
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>>5854226
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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sorry for drawing hamsteak shit, but im considering starting commissions cause i need the money. should i even bother yet or wait until i improve? how much would you pay for a full body such as picrel?
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I increasingly believe that "symbol drawing" is a pseudointellectual way of referring to stuff that doesn't look right. Nobody can define what symbol drawing is beyond spluttering about how you're drawing circles for eyes instead of spheres - then go on to draw circles for eyes themselves, except better.

How the fuck is anything but symbol drawing possible when you're putting 2D markings on a page or tablet? It's retards who have basically memed themselves into believing that they're 3D designers instead of artists.
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>>5854357
i'd say improve first, but there's no harm in asking anyway. $50 roughly
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what to draw when you don't know what to draw?
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>>5854458
what do you like, anon?
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>>5854458
Draw Wezzen Gammamon
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>>5854458
ask a friend to give you a prompt, if you don't have friends go to draw request threads
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Any tips / books to draw folds and clothing in general ? When I try to draw them it looks like bodypaint
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>>5854517
Last chapter of Michael Hampton's Figure Drawing, Design and Invention book is all about clothe folds.
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>>5854433
Personally I agree it's bullshit as a term.
But its more in the sense of saying your visual library sucks and you're drawing the generalized amateur idea of a subject and misunderstanding what it really looks like in reality.

E.g. in the eye example thinking the eyes are perfectly round like circles, when in perspective they're usually warped due to the angles and pupils aren't perfectly center.
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>>5854487
idk
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>>5854525
Thanks for the recommendation I will look at it, btw if you have some tips for line quality it would be greatly appreciated, I work on CSP and I'm desperate with it
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>>5854517
I don't understand how people can find hands hard to draw but not clothes. Hands are straight forward and consist once you learn the shapes, but clothes at times feel almost random.
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>>5854539
I work with Krita and my lineart level is roughly the same level as yours. I have a sneaking susupicion that everyone secretly uses vector lines, but vector workflow is horrible in Krita so I don't bother with it.
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rate
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>>5854549
Duck lips? What is this the 2010s?
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>>5854549
digital smudge= automatic 0
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>>5854433
It's literally symbolically drawing something rather than the actual thing. You can put a dot inside a ball and call it an eye, we all will know it's an eye - but it's not really what an eye looks like.
You could also draw a pear and put two little dots to simbolize nipples, and so on.
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>>5854549
get yourself some edges, my man
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>>5854543
Hands have a specific shape and posing them is difficult.
With clothing you can get away with random nonsense and looking like shit because it doesn't have a defined expected shape. If your lines and folds are wobbly you can just ignore it and blame the wind or something.
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>>5854549
nice
but I will suggest to use a round hard brush with zero blending and no texture to give it a smoother look. those brush marks/smudges are not aesthetic

the edges of the outside have a soft fade. if you don't want to use linework you need really good edges
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>>5853697
>>5853799
your style really shines through when it comes to shota, you should make something more nsfw with boys
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>>5853745
>>5853840
Thank you for the recommendations.
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>>5849265
little help with ktd
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>>5854647
i made the quick sketch but how do i go about doing mapping?
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>>5854433
>>5854531
>>5854560
i thought it was drawing a mental representation/symbolification of something instead of the actual thing. in other words, not paying attention enough. makes sense to me but no doubt it has been misused as a generic 'not right'.
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>>5854653
is it something like this? pls where are all the ktd fags
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>>5854659
The issue arises in that everything you deal boils down to being a "symbol" its just how closely that symbol represents what looks good.
Alternatively literally everything in cartoons and anime and animation is symbolic, your goal isn't to be real just have a good enough representation of reality that the symbols your drawing are appealing.

And desu I don't think I've ever heard the term outside of /ic/ and maybe 1 or 2 YouTubers. It's a flawed idea that people spew because they read it in Loomis.
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>>5854679
the only examples given
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>>5854680
Drawing anime eyes without understanding face planes is symbol drawing.
Drawing stylized eyes with the knowledge of how they work to begin with isn't.
It's not that complicated
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>>5854686
>the knowledge
Nigga every beg knows how eyes work. Their problem isn't knowledge it's the lack of execution.
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>>5854693
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>>5854693
They don't though. They know what eyes look like and just draw that without taking in consideration anything else. Again, you could draw a pear, add 2 dots and call it a body. That isn't how it works looks nor how it looks like but it gets the message across.
/Symbol/ically drawing the thing.
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Try drawing a screw, it really fires up the drawing parts of your brain trying to get the spiral right.

Here's my shit attempt, you should aim to do better. Don't forget to use reference.
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>>5854708
This isn't in perspective at all. Next time use perspective lines.
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>>5854706
As opposed to what, drawing 2 cubes and connecting them and calling it a body?
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>>5854711
That's a completely different thing as you're simplifying the body to it's basic shapes, which is part of the process and well, knowledge.
>>5852857
Is a perfect example of someone just drawing things as they look without understanding a single thing about how or why things are the way they are.
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>>5854717
>simplifying the body to a pear is symbol drawing
>simplifying it to 2 cubes isn't
this is why symboldrawing is a meme concept.

>pic related
is not symbol drawing, its bad referencing.
he is clearly referencing something and his execution is garbage.
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I always thought symbol drawing meant drawing something that wasn't clearly 3D, and instead was just a flat, formless representation of something
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>>5854681
>>5854679
did this a while back and it ended up looking like this
the point is separating light/middle/dark tones
I was not hugely successful in that timeframe
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>>5854094
don't grind boxes and cylinders without purpose
start with hampton, and then you'll know why you need those boxes and cylinders
https://youtu.be/2H2NNpnN8a8?t=508
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>>5854734
ahh i wish my brain understood it a bit better, thanks anon i think i got the gist now
>>5854751
i was planning on starting with villipu after KtD but i keep hearing about hampton and krenz or kranz. what should i do ?
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>>5854804
Just outline the shadow shapes then shade them, it not that hard
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>>5854804
either one will work, i find hampton to be more analytical and vilppu more intuitive
i wouldn't worry about it, start whichever you like best
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>>5854093
I'm having sex with your wife
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>>5854830
meds
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>>5854056
i don't know if this helps. why do you think boxes fail for this?
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Here's another 5 value study. Some anon suggested I was relying a lot more on the extremes so tried to use mid 3 more and used extremes for mostly accents.
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>>5854835
eviston was right to remove this shit from a beginner course, thinking a total newbie can figure out how to box a 2D form is retarded
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Is there any way to measure the angle of a line in clip studio paint?
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>>5854839
>>5854846
?? did i do it wrong wtf
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>>5854839
you will never be a woman
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I drew 50 spheres total. I just knocked out the last ones and it shows. Some definitely look more "round" than others, with the base circle being very important, however, some ovals seems to wrap around more than others. I tried to feel like I was going around the sphere with my line.
Another note, the really close ovals are also hard to do, especially on a digital tablet, for me.
Now to do some real life homework and then move onto the next Eviston lesson.
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>>5854840
This looks like fun. im looking forward to doing stuff like this when I finally make it to shading.
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>>5854873
>I just knocked out the last ones and it shows
Let's be honest now
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so, I redrew the left hand, raised the right shoulder and made the right leg smaller
what went wrong this time?
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>>5854897
If you are implying I copied, I know it looks like it and thats funny now that I notice it, but I just chose the same point so I could practice it again.
To choose the point, I just closed my eyes and waved my hand around.
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>>5853996
excuse the shitty ellipses and handle, but the idea is to draw through the form and estimate how the box rotating around the cylinder will foreshorten
my idea was to draw a couple of auxiliary ellipses to help me estimate this effect

btw, i agree it's difficult, but combining forms is a core skill
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>>5854840
Pay attention to the shadow shapes, squint your eyes. Your job isn't to copy but to simplify into something readable.
The first one looks like a house with an x atop
The middle+ middle left I cannot distinguish whether or not this takes place on land
The last two seems the best.

Lastly if you want to do this as thumbnails do you not think that you should resize it as such?
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>>5854873
That is not actually how a sphere works in perspective, the minor axes are not always at 90 degrees.
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>>5854647
stop symbol drawing
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>>5854954
i literally burst out laughing when i opened this
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>>5854954
if you're gonna redline the thing, go all the way, otherwise you end up with this shit.
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>>5854953
still practising drawing so I sometimes still dip into symbol drawing
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>>5854950
well, thats how brent eviston taught it, and he didnt even mention tilting the axis, but that is interesting and confusing so im going to ignore it for now. Im sure brents simple method works for most purposes.
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>>5854923
Thanks anon. The first one is a door in a tree. The other ones you mentioned are seaside. I guess i'll have to suggest waveshapes if I want them redeable. I do try to squint and do these. If it's not much trouble do you think you can do 2-3 ? It would really help me a lot to see the decisions you might make while grouping and deciding the shapes.
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>>5854817
these just ooze style, nice job anon
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>>5854972
it's quite counter intuitive how the actual axis ellipses change in perspective
i just made this template based on the one for the cube rotations, but it's probably a good idea to think about this stuff later
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>>5855055

I made my own ball and do a couple from observation once in a while, good markmaking practice as well. It is actually a hundred time harder to draw a sphere from observation than from photo reference, your brain is just so completely sure the lines cut the ball at the center.

I need to find a good cube as well because I'm pretty sure the same effect applies.

Drawing from life builds intuition for placing vanishing points that are natural at human-like FOV which can be a problem if you are just practicing perspective in isolation.
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>>5855068
Book?
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>>5855073
It's taco's Pixiv
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>>5855079
Can you provide a link? Tried googling "taco's Pixiv" and it didn't end well.
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I am having fun with a pencil
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>>5854215
Pyw bitch
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>>5855125
Is the 4th one soijak?
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>>5855156
yep
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>>5853032

I didn't even think of that as I was drawing it. Lol.

>>5853085

Qualifying statement though: do you hate anime?
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>>5855072
i draw my own balls too
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How does one go from digital painting in a typical tv anime style in Procreate to Leyendecker style? I am having a very very hard time getting the colors and texture right. The procreate flat brush seems to help in getting Leyendecker's blockyness.

>Where's an example
I don't need to post an example of the typical anime style. This is an anime board.
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>>5854954
if you don't do anime art, don't redline anime
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>>5855233
Whats anime?
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I have no idea what I am doing.
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Did this one without the reference.

I dont think i am gonna finish this.
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When should being able to draw in 3D click?
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>>5855416
Right elf exists in the different perspective plane.
Pick one direction of view and either fix the table or the characters to resolve the conflict.
Not that bad otherwise.
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>>5855338
>I dont think i am gonna finish this.

Yeah because you don't know where you're going with it.

Try drawing a stick figure or box man of the full thing then applying the construction. I would only do something like this if I were confident in what pose I would put her in before putting pen to paper. (It would be one that I've done hundreds of times obviously.)
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>>5855426
Don't help him, you're just enabling more mindless spam
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>>5855433
>people posting drawings is spam
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>>5855434
he should go to /i/
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>>5854954
Honestly I wanted the cane bent, but I guess it's better if it's straight, I'll also enlarge that hand a bit, as for the face I'll take your mouth, thanks
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trying to get better at thinking spatially if that's a word, do these look right? I know the twisting guy is wrong but can't tell what exactly is wrong
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How can I differentiate my faces, without simply adding more wrinkles, marks, etcetera? I've heard changing the jawline helps a fair bit. But if you have any more information, that'd be great.
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>>5855448
Just do cat girls/sheep girls like Japan does.
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Crit, what to fix? I wanted to try some lighting but the results seems subpar.
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>>5855451
I'm sorry anon. Those all look very similar to me, and don't seem to make much anatomical sense.
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Absolute /beg/ here: is Brent Eviston's stuff good?
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>>5855474
I started out with him, he is very good. Just pace yourself with the videos, once per day. Let the knowledge soke in.
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>>5855474
its solid, foundational skill building for just drawing in general.
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>>5854840
Nice, I think I may use this exercise as well, god-speed anon to your art gains.
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taking a break from studies to try to finish something
not convinced with the overall composition, need to fix those legs before continuing
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>>5855233
I think I've figured part of it out! I need to use oil paint brushes!
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>>5855527
Look into "rule of thirds"
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how do i get this shitty model to twist it's arm. it doesn't fit my drawing anyways. i need it for the arms only.
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ok, i think i got it. but this is underwhelming. there is no muscle structure. and it doesn't fit
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>>5855561
>>5855576
What is this
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>>5855578
clipstudios' 3d model
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>>5855578
a ngmi trying to cheat his way through art
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>>5855584
Oh I don't have that, good luck.

>>5855587
Technically right I suppose.
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Will master copying really make me better? It doesn't feel like it
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>>5855597
ref
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>>5855561
>>5855576
Why don't you just take a picture of yourself doing the pose
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>>5855587
>>5855591
well, you guys are funny.
>told to use references
>use model
>ngmi
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>>5855587
how is that cheating
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>>5855620
i'm kinda doing that right now. but i'm male
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>>5855637
>>5853816
LMAO
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There are untalented faggots who think they will make it by drawing every single hour and they still suck.
They completely dismiss their mental, physical health and cut off any kind of relationship, due to their schizo delusions of "improving their artwork", but they always end up failing, stagnated and without hopes.
You just have to acknowledge that the art market is over saturated and there is no room for tryhards.
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>>5855629
ya baby squat down like your showing your ass for instagram you filthy artist slut.
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>>5854549
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A thought just occurred to me. When people say to use observation they arent just talking about the shape of the line of a contour, but also space, distances, and angles of all the pieces all together.
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>>5854549
гoвнo
>>5855746
мoчa
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>>5855753
pyw cyka
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Is there anything that explains how to draw the human form exclusively using the mirroring & volume techniques from Scott Robertson's How to Draw?

Just short of and sweet, as if it's one of his chapters on drawing aircraft or wheeled vehicles.

I like that he presents repeatable techniques for drawing forms but I'm still not sure which forms go together to make a human nor how to use his techniques to draw them.

Don't want yet another book that says a head is a circle with a jaw shape sticking out unless it says how to build the circle and the jaw starting with the y plane then the z plane and then use the mirroring technique etc

His approach is so simple and perfect for someone who just wants a simple algorithm for drawing. Feels like the only reason it's not common is that most artists are the regular retarded kind of autistic instead of the smart kind.
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>>5855760
shittiest, deadest meme and unfunny
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>>5855743
partially true
but why post this
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>>5855766
it will never be dead, newfag
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>>5855766
кoп, cитх
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>>5855760
Lame and unbased
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>>5855103
Here you go lad
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/70834530/artworks?p=4
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>>5855768
I missed these
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>>5855773
oh wow the guy literally just copied the other guys lines and we all thought he was impressive.
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>>5855764
No such thing, and even if there is, it will produce extremely stiff figures
There are a lot of other factors that will decide a figure drawing appeal, not just forms in space
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should i be using line tools for perspective or freehand it?
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>>5855781
Dude I just need to produce stiff figures quickly, I'll figure out the rest later

Im not doing this become some great master I just want to be able to rapidly shit out stuff that would impress a normie if they saw you draw it in front of them

When I can actually complete something I'll make it better but rn I just want the satisfaction of completing something I am interested in
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>>5855764
it's just not worth it, the only part that stays (somewhat) symmetrical is the head, while all others move and twist, making mirroring not very useful
you can use some of the techniques to check that your foreshortening in 3/4 view is more or less on the ball park
but even those don't lie exactly in a straight line, so it's just an estimate
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>>5855801
Ah that's depressing

Thanks though!
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>>5855793
are you just going to use line tools everytime you make art with perspective? if not, learning it freehand will be helpful and then if you really need the straightest, most perspective conforming line you can use line tool. i think a lot of trad artists use rulers too anyways but they can sketch out a line themselves.
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>>5855798
> I just want to be able to rapidly shit out stuff that would impress a normie if they saw you draw it in front of them

You can easily do that if you study like 4-5 poses of characters you like, commit it to memory, people will think you can draw anything.
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>>5855793
it's useful to be able to freehand it
once you get to mirroring 3d curves, having decent enough line control will be necessary anyway
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>>5855745
Does anybody have that tutorial where that ball is shooting out those three types of liquids? i think it was posted last month but i forgot to save it.
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I read the sticky guide, but what should I start with drawing? Does it matter? Landscapes, up close from real life flowers from google, pick an object irl thats in front of me?
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>>5855839
>pick an object irl thats in front of me
yes, that is a great idea. draw shoes, cups, pencils, plants, silverware, gadgets, houses, everything.
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>>5855839
just draw objects near you then move on to others things. remember to read any of the beginners books or go to the video course thread / mega thread if you want to do figure drawings
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>>5855839
i'm the guy above you, i would recommend drawing simple robots made from simple shapes.. and practice those with perspective. it's fun and helps keep you motivated.
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>>5855798
The closest I could think of is Seiichi books, but I don't think he goes deep into this
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>>5855848
>>5855850

Im not interested in figure drawing rn. Im more interested in nature drawing/things around me?

Also I meant to ask, I read to draw with shoulder, but do I do one stroke and thats it? Or multiple strokes to "average" out my line. And should I use eraser or just roll with it and continue. Im using just a #2 penicl and computer paper. Thanks
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>>5855839
>Does it matter?
it does

what do you want to be able to draw?
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>>5855857
try doing the movement of the line you want in the air, and then lightly place the line. you can kind of doing a couple passes but do not get in the habit of chicken-scratching, always do full lines. contour drawings are fun because you can just try to feel the outline, practice your observation and not worry about the line quality, pic related.
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>>5855883
>not worry about the line quality
by that, i meant the accuracy. line quality still needs to be good like in the pic.
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>>5855874
Mostly botanical drawings. Some landscapes would be cool. I go in nature a lot so Id like to be able to go out there and bring back some of what I saw with me. Maybe this isn't specific enough. I mean like realisitically transfering my vision to paper. Although I would like to be able to draw more abstract images from my dreams, etc but I presume its best to focus on one style as a beginner?
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>>5855887
if you want to do landscapes, many people go straight to painting and do fine without grinding a shitton of boxes, although I don't think the sticky goes over landscaping
90% of the learning material here is for figure drawing or portraits

try to find sources that teach landscape painting directly so you don't waste your time grinding shit that will be useless for you
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I've been watching Villpu's figure drawing course. I think it's starting to click for me.
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>>5855885
So in other words not like this? Need to just go with one solid line? What's the reasoning for this?
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>>5855920
thanks
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>>5855933
it looks better because its accurate mainly, and you train yourself to make correct, accurate lines by not covering it up with sketchy lines. your pic isnt super chicken scratchy. there are some parts, but the knife looks good.
i learned you can sketch lightly first to get closer to the right shape and then darken it when you find it, but you should be working towards having good line control right? you want to draw a realistic looking can right? and that means having nice lines that look like a can.
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NEW THREAD: >>5855986
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>>5855969
Thanks for the help
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>>5855926
Looks cool. What you learning before Vilppu? Do you use gesture?
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>>5855926
u used references or is this all from imagination? amazing stuff
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>>5856009
>What you learning before Vilppu?
I've watched a few Proko videos and did a few years of Figuary
>Do you use gesture?
Yes, why?
>>5856031
Both
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>>5856009
What is gesture and how do you use it? That word keeps appearing everywhere, but its too abtract for me grasp.



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