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Were anime artists in 2005 worse than anime artists today or is the difference just stylistic?
If you need a comparison heres the first 20000 images uploaded to danbooru which were all posted in 2005/2006 (higher page number = older image)
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?page=959&tags=id%3A%3C20000
If you're interested feel free to share an image you like or think is "soulful"
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The average was objectively worse, people these days have access to more resources, supplies, teaching material and the barrier to entry is extremely low.
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nowadays artists are much more focused on rendering and putting as much details on art as they can. in 00 it was more about moe, so yeah maybe it is a style difference
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>>6199888
Mostly this, 2005 was still the dark ages as far as digital focused instruction went. If I'm not mistaken, there were only a few programs around the world that had a digital art focus and the technique and profit motivation hadn't trickled down. Japs were still using markers for the most part and the west hadn't advanced the method of rendering to suit the style yet. Or cracked the style, digital art and the pinup focus required a different approach. Not to mention late 90s and 00s moeblobs are just ugly.
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>>6200021
>Not to mention late 90s and 00s moeblobs are just ugly.
Fuck you.
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>>6199888
>the barrier to entry is extremely low
Elaborate
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>>6199888
And what exactly are these resources everyone has now that they didn't have in the 2000s?
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>>6199870
I think is style.
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>>6200154
youtube in general is flooded with drawing resource. along with the internet at the whole.
in 90s-00s many people didn;t have the internet. and even those that did didn;'t have nearly the same content available to them.

if you wanted to learn how to draw in 2000 you bought a shitty how to draw anime book from barnes and nobles. which was objectively garbage.
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Legend has it at the turn of the century all the artists that drew in the 90s style went the way of Thanos.
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>>6199870
this has more soul than any fotm over-rendered waifu pinup posted on twitter the last few years
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absurd amounts of soul
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>>6199870
Different eras that didn't necessarily carry mass appeal.

2007 was the catalyst for style exploration to normies. It existed prior to this but it was a flicker compared to 07. You had the bug eyed high tier productions still coming like Clannad but you had arguably the first normalfags learning about bishonen from Code Geass. Then you had Gainax going stratospheric with their style explorations in TTGL having multiple different directors for episodes.

You can see how certain genres found their surge come from multiple sources. Look at the popularity of Free! actually growing over time as Korean dramas bled into the west and an entire generation of fujos would carry this to what we have today.

Same thing with the Bleach anime going parabolic in Korea essentially creating an art style standard in comics by using Kubos style mixed with the beauty standards set by common PC bang games like Lineage.

What anime is today is essentially a free for all in terms of style vs the rigid standards of late 90s to pre 2007. Rather than conforming to a standard but having some leeway, you essentially have to pick your artist class as an Eastern influenced artist as a starting point before changing things up.

Rinotuna is a good example. His super early stuff looks like traditional Korean pretty boy art found on PC game covers before he started changing to what he is today.

Look at Chinese character concept art. Almost all of it looks the same - what the best of the west like Joe Mad were doing 10 years ago. Strong shapes and emphasis on exaggerated men. Only the most popular character concept focused Chinese guys are now exploring stuff outside of this

Tldr: Style homoginization was more prevalent among mid tier artists in 2005 while the west was more open to exploration. The east has begun branching out to more exploration but rigid style structure based on genre still exists. In parallel the west's mid tier artists are now becoming more stylistically stiff.
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i'm only thinking about this resurection/larping/revival/false-nostalgia of 2000's anime style between 15-20 years old western artists.
I would like to join drawing in a pc98 visual novel style, but i can't reach it.
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>>6199870
I think it's stylistic. The 2000s anime were going for unique distinct styles because it was still relatively niche market so no one knew what the audiences were expecting so artists experimented a lot. Look at the big 3 anime series of 2000s they all had their unique look. Like in any industry once you have a big enough audience you're afraid of losing viewership from trying new style and that leads to adapting the familiar like in today's anime.
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>>6200844
I like it but the HAND holy shit yikes
>>6201384
She is beautiful
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2000's is more cartoony and tries a lot more to stylize the body parts, but they still have the skill behind to add depth and shape design even on stylistic drawings.

Post 2010, specially 2013 people started focusing more on semi-realism and realistic drawings since they were so rare to be seen, plus a few artists that exploded on the scene doing exactly that.

I think amateurish artists here on the west used to be worse, since anime and things like that were still really underground and people didn't even thought about doing digital art, on japan it was already pretty established and you had the huge otaku culture there, so we kinda had to play catch up to them.
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>>6199870
>>6200161
>>6200844
>>6201384
how did the level of cuteness drop so much in only 15 years...
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>>6202492
The Japanese forgot they’re making cartoons. It’s not just the style that dropped but the level of seriousness in storytelling has gone up. By that I mean most anime takes itself too seriously now instead of remembering it’s in a cartoon world and anything goes.

If a character wants to pull a rocket cannon from nowhere out her skirt and blow up half the school only it can. Or punch MC through the floor/roof. Or students who look like grown ass adults giving a beat down to main characters. Etc.

And to top it all off, censorship from manga to anime just keeps getting worse because of China.
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>>6202510
>google currently airing anime
>overlord - the anime where a skeleton isekais and begins to rule the world with DND bullshit magic
>made in abyss - thinly veiled loli torture porn with furries thrown in
>spattering of various wish fulfillment romcoms and isekais
>magical girls
>shadow house - the anime where people are slaves to soot monsters that make out to steal your personality
>jashin dropkick - moeblob anime which features a topless medusa girl being brutally murdered ever few minutes
ah yes... the horrible realism and censorship...
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>>6199870
The late 90s and early 00s had both the anime and manga industries really on the bleeding edge of digital illustration. I remember a tweet thread from a couple years ago where the OP showed some detail pics of a Street Fighter artbook, and in one the illustrations you could clearly see the brush spacing was off (probably because whoever drew it had no idea how to calibrate photoshop at the time lol)
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cheat studio paint was in invented and solved everything. Now even creatively handicapped people can create decent art. People consistently whining here are just lazy bums
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>>6204743
CSP doesn't help you any more than any other art software does, like Photoshop
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>>6202510
Kys westoid retard. Your cancerous adventure time bullshit is not allowed here.
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>>6199870
Old anime artstyle was pure kino.
It was all downhill from there.
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>>6204757
shut up idiot
I have more anime watched an everyone in this thread combined 10 fold
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>>6204759
Rance
>>6204727
Kanon
>>6201384
Clannad

Hentai, all of it. It wasn't rare for anime studios to use hentai as source material for anime, and each hentai studio has its style.

Now they're looking at light novels, and those are as cookie cutter as it can get, story and style wise
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>>6204759
Someone once said that the reason manga and anime has been degrading is because japanese mangakas, LN authors, etc. only consume material made by other creators in the same medium instead of exploring stuff outside of their comfort zones.

I'd also say that I think it’s a severe case of everyone now only consuming pleb shit media thats been focus group tested and designed for consumption, since something similar is happening to general western media as well. One thing I’ve always noticed is good artists appreciate and draw inspiration from other good art.

Compare classic mecha anime to modern day isekai. Writers, artists and directors at studios like Sunrise, Gainax, etc. were really into Sci-fi in general regardless of medium and nationality (which explains all the western references in Daicon IV, the last story arc of Votoms going full Dune, the lost Lensman movie, Nadia and the secret of the blue water, etc.), and they incorporated their knowledge of the genre into their works. Modern Light Novels authors just consume other Web Novels and Light Novels published in the exact same 3 websites and pull their inspiration from that. So 99% of Isekai garbage is, well, irredeemable garbage as a result.
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>>6204819
Consider the following:
How many manga have high school protagonists?
Compared to: how many manga have characters with real jobs (and by mean I mean REAL, not generic office drones)

Reality is, nowadays, you get into making manga earlier than ever. Authors have no background or real life experience to base their work on. They write high schoolers because that's all they know. They go into generic "fantasy" world because it's an easy blank canvas, but 9 times out of 10 there isn't anything interesting in the setting to make it unique.
And the worst offender, they give their characters "video game like" power because it's an easy, brainless way to show power... And often, without any understanding of how a game uses stats to keep itself balanced and interesting ..
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>>6204819
To be fair the older I've grown the less I'm willing to put up in real novels. I loved fantasy and sci-fi growing up. But every book I pick up now I'm just tired of the authors bullshit halfway in. Unless it's a top tier book I have to force myself to trudge through the garbage writing.

At least with isekai it's just terrible schlock that doesn't take itself seriously and that makes it easier to forgive the bad writing. I can read bad writing if it's done with a passion. I can't read it's some dude who's trying to cram in everything his English teach told him is "required" for a good story while trying to be the next got
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>>6204748
I'll tell you why
People started copying Kancolle. To an absurd degree
And then they moved to Azure Lane. And that game had a similar artstyle. And now every picture looks the same
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>>6205352
You're not wrong. I usually have to remind myself Kancolle and Azure Lane aren't the same series. Lots of samey looking things with gacha games.
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>>6204767
>clannad
>hentai
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>>6207219
To be fair, clannad after story



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