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If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS wide using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
Read the sticky

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

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>mfw a retard tells me that digital is cheating
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Very cute!
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>>6288324
Cute! I want a manga about her.
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>>6288350
you n me both, brother. perhaps some day.
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>>6288377
this isn't your personal blog mate
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So when do I get to draw anime?
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>>6288337
a bit too unappealing
>signature
ha
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>>6288378
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...stop bullying...
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>>6288388
You again. I can't wrap my head around why you frequent the beg thread just to point out people signing their work. It's probably the gayest pastime there's ever been.

Also, PYW
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Can I reference anime or do I have to reference IRL?
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>>6288394
>Again
You may have me confused with someone else, señor schizo. I just think it's funny when people sign works in the beginner thread is all. I've probably signed less than 5 things at the suggestion of others, and it's always felt embarrassingly arrogant.
>Pyw
Don't get asshurt so easily by anonymous posts, kid
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>>6288477
Not the original artist, but--

Your criticism of others including a signature is probably just a projection of your own insecurities and fear of being personally judged the way that you do to others.

Your work is good enough but try not to care so much about what other people care to sign.
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>>6288494
Not the original, second, or third artist, but--

Your captain save a hoe-ing is probably just a samefag fueled from a schizo flare up from your lack of medication.

try not to care so much about what another anon cares about a 3rd anon's signature

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~ He said WHAT?!?! I'm gonna stick a rabid wombat up his...!! ~
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>>6288490
Looking GOOD, genuinely gonna love this when it's done :)
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>>6288530
>genuinely gonna love this when it's done :)
It is.
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>>6288490
Why did he stick his foot into the fire?
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>>6288563
Because he's not that bright.
He can't help it a horse kicked him in the head when he was just small boy growing up on his uncles farm.
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>>6288260
What do you think of this one? How can I make it more realistic?
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How does one adapt to the artist way of thinking of knowing what 3d shapes to use? I feel like im on the edge of knowing how to make my shit more 3d.
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>>6288613
You could try using simplified forms?
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>>6288584
I used to think guys like this were good at drawing
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>>6288640
I get that but I just get brain fog when it comes to thinking of 3d simplified forms in a drawing. Could you make the lines on your example a bit thicker? Still a good idea.
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>>6288650
They're not really accurate and it doesn't do you any favors if I do the thing you're struggeling with for you.
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>>6288652
How do I get better at visualizing 3d forms?
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>>6288659
Alright try this.
Draw the lines and put in an arch for how the shape goes.
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>>6288664
>>6288659
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>>6288664
I like that idea, the arch shows how far the shape goes for the viewers pov?
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I can’t be bothered with proper study, I simply doodle random shit
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>>6288642
Just learning.
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>>6288683
Yea
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>>6288539
i meant the animation you dip xDDD
or...
is the movie/video done?!? (X—X)
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Trying out having the simplest process possible by only using mouse and one brush
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>>6288584
kek, next time I'll pay more attention to mannequin.
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>>6288672
eh
fuck it
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>>6288710
Soul
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>>6288490
after enjoying your stuff here for a while, i hope it's ok for me to post a small, admittedly lazy and quick paintover.
I looked up some art from the banner saga and here are a few things that stood out to me by comparison:

1. in the banner saga, clothing gets drawn almost in a geometrical manner. sleeves tend to be basically non-deformed cylinders, and your clothes seem to lack definition due to missing seams or "borders" of another color that are present in the game art. I changed the sleeves a bit to reflect that. I assume your robe is supposed to part in the middle, so i changed it a bit to a shape that looked more "correct" to me. sorry if its not.

2. lines indicative of folds tend to be used extremely sparingly, while you use them pretty liberally. many adjacent "fold lines" also give the impression of very thin fabric, something you might want to consider if it goes against your intentions.
i adjusted the clothes to have less lines, but someone better than me could probably do it even elegantly, i suppose...

3. made the hood a bit larger. his face is there, but i often feel like people forget there's an entire skull attached to that, so i hope my hood shape makes sense. i also changed the rather reddish/brown color scheme to correspond a bit more to the situation - pale green on the front, a bit of teal in the back to blend him more into the night...

while it's not perfect, i hope i could give a few helpful points! love the hands especially, and just what you're doing in general, keep on keeping on :)
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>>6288753
Looking good!
Anything you've learned?
>>6288846
>i hope it's ok for me to post a small, admittedly lazy and quick paintover.
Verry much so it's good stuff, the paintover looks alot better and I'll have to go over the art myself again too because often I just fuck around without thinking really.
Thanks man!
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>>6288260
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>>6288911
>Anything you've learned?
Yeah, primarily that zooming in is the enemy and no tiny detail that I painstakingly try to apply will ever look better than a bigger generalized stroke that would let my brain fill in the details by itself
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>>6288508
Bro are you like 50 or something
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just did my first study.
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>>6288961
True, I think i've heard somewhere that's why you add detail to where you want people to focus.
The rest kinda gets filled in by the brain, as you said
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>>6288743
>i meant the animation you dip
Ooooh, heh sorry
I hope so too but sadly no I haven't animated anyrhing yet.
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>>6288976
Post ref. Kind of doubt the rock and tree are that close in local value.
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>>6288995
yea, I know its something I have to work on. (well, there's a lot I have to work on, just starting)
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>>6288976
>>6289006
Enviroment chad, verry nice keep going!
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>>6289015
thanks, hopefully over time it will become better and quicker
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I did a thing
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this got into a few art shows, does that mean its good?
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i got a girlfriend. she goes to art school. i got an art school girlfriend. yeah.
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>>6289077
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU ATTRACTIVE PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WITH GFS ARENT ALLOWED TO GET GOOD AT ART AAAAAHHH AAAAHHH GODDAMMIT I AM SO LONELY AND HORNY
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>>6289077
congratulations!!!
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>>6289077
AY Well done anon
Wish you the best on your new relationship
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I know I fucked this sketch up massively, the skeleton sketch looks flat, the body's perspective and proportions are inconsistent and the pose that I'm going for looks stiff and awkward.
I've only dipped my toes into both morpho's simplified shapes for the head and some analytical figure drawing videos in this mega.
https://mega.nz/folder/8qA2FLDQ#9ADn1WRz-YcH7H9M3i11dg
I just ended up mashing them together without properly understanding either, will probably correct that.
Is there a way to still salvage this or should I just dump this before I waste more time on it?
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>>6288976
It's your first study, and you did a fine job for a first, so I'll just point to the right direction:
First, for enviroments, always draw the ground, it gives a base for the piece;
Second, focus on drawing(sketching) first, you are wasting time rendering a piece when it would be better for you to make 100 fast sketches of various scenes, then selecting the best ones to learn to render;
Third, go watch the Peter Han demo and pratice line confidence in the computer, it should be on the sticky in this post.
Good luck and keep drawing.
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Newbs are all welcome to join. We have quite a few people.
EvqgSGpyyM
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>>6289115
thanks, I just did this. but I'll try doing sketches instead with no shading. ill check the peter han thing
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Todays 5 min poses
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>>6289111
Learn basic anatomy and proper construction first. Morpho is a more advanced book meant to be studied when you already have a good understanding of the fundies.
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>>6289121
Based.
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Do you know any books or tutorials for those cutesy styles I see on twitter and such.

I've just been grinding the usual stuff for months hoping it'd carry over but I don't think it's working
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>>6289132
Decided to try and fuck around with shadow on one of the figures
All in all a good session
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finally done
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>>6289135
Alright then, I knew my fundies were still really bad and I haven't touched anatomy. Been a while since I've drawn and lost quite a lot of my gains, not to say I had a lot to begin with.
What books/ resources do you suggest that I go through? Before my break I already completed the first lesson of DAB (can draw half decent boxes but still have trouble with most of the basic stuff) and was 45 boxes into the 250 challenge. I remember grabbing a book called "Anatomy for Sculptors" but I'm gonna assume that's also above my skill level since I still can't understand or even observe or create 3d forms properly without it just mushing together.
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>>6289154
The 2 newer OP guide for starters have pretty good recommendation for books. As for Anatomy for Sculptors, it's pretty good for anatomy all around. How much you can learn from it will depend on you.
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Is my foreshortening on the legs correct?
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>>6289164
The perspective on the drapery and drapery itself is wrong on his left leg so it doesnt appear to be angled up.
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Is my foreshortening correct?
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Finished
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Help me with my foreshortening!
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>>6289162
>The 2 newer OP guide for starters have pretty good recommendation for books.
I'm going to be honest, I don't know what you mean. I looked at both the completed sticky and the collaborative one so I'm not too sure which one's the "newer" one. Did you mean both?
Sorry if this is a retarded question.
>How much you can learn from it will depend on you.
Well hopefully I can learn it properly and not get filtered.
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>>6289175
dumb ass fuck, use a 3d model to create that pose then trace over and study it until you get it into your little bird brain. you could literally learn how to do it and figure out if your drawing is correct within minutes instead of just fucking guessing and hoping you somehow randomly get it correct.
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>>6289164
Aren't you too young for 4chin?
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>>6288968
52, are you 12?
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>>6289168
>The boy genius was never the same
>When that inexplicable event happened
>"Magic" he thought
>"None of that is mathematically possible" he mumbled
>He lost everything, his dog, his family, friends
>Betrayed perhaps?
>The one memory he holds on to; seething unable to cope
>"Jimmy's mom has got it going on" echoing in the back of his large cranium
>That day before it happened at the karaoke
>Carl was piss drunk but Jimmy didn't drink
>"Maybe he took her..." He said angrily clutching Goddard's inactive head
>Technology and science having no real place in this new hell
>His only resolve to silence that piercing voice in his head
>To find the one responsible
>He takes a deep breath and shouts at the top of his lungs
>"CAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRLLLLLLLL!" Echoed out of his lamp lit laboratory
>Reverberating out of the shack in his abandoned backyard
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>>6289065
i like it
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I've seen several different gesture drawing methods, but what's the best way?
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>>6289317
>but what's the best way
the one that works for you.
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>>6289317
Don't worry about this too much. Technique isn't really what gesture is about. Just try to feel how the masses are balanced.
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Why nobody told me that it's the hardes when you get to high int stage?
I'm literally one the best here and no nigger can give me an advice, no one critics my work they'll just say it's awesome and that's it
No, i'm not gonna post since i don't want that attention but it's so fucking frustrating and the only thing i can do is to copy pros(which i already do almost perfectly) and wait for some guy to stop lurking and paintover my shit once a year
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>>6289336
Time to move onto the other threads for specific styles.
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>>6289317
Try not to listen to anyone on /ic/, they all do gesture wrong.
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>>6289344
I'm posting all over the ic and it's the same thing
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>>6289347
You finally made it. You can graduate from this shithole now. Congratulations anon.

Alternatively, you can teach yourself things by redlining others works.
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practice some faces a bit and decided to try something different
is this better? (left)
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>>6289359
I think right is cuter but left fits way better with your style imo
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>>6289359
left is better cause it's a little less big eye tranime. right one looks ridiculous and terrible
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I think this is ok but something feels a little of...Anyway now Im gonna paint.
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>>6288406
Answer me you fucking ngmis. I can't stand looking at ugly 3d women for much longer.
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ngmi incel brainlet
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>>6289378
the thing that draws my attention is that i can't see the continuation of the torso from beind the right arm at the bottom of the page; i understand the clothing and i don't know for sure if it's technically wrong but it looks aesthetically off at the very least, that's an important line
also this is a pet peeve of mine and even stock imagery fucks this up: cigarettes don't go that far up into the mouth, the filter would get soggy and render the cigarette unsmokeable: the upper lip is being draped over the cigarette by extending it over the filter to then "pull" it back securely as the lip tries to go back to resting position, creating a sort of overbite; usually if the ridgeline of the lower lip is visible, that's also where the rounded edge of the filter would be visible unless you're some decrepit, geriatric chinese peasant that no longer has working salivary glands
it's pretty otherwise, i like it
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>>6289336
You know you made it if someone paints a dick fucking your drawing in the ass.
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>>6289474
any drawing is a fucking drawing retard, it doesn't matter if you copy a live model or doodles from the schizo spammer threads if you copy them well enough, the point of the exercise is being able to copy what you see in front of you accurately
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>>6288406
Irl model > cast > master drawing > photo > bad drawing
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>>6289378
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>>6288406
Would you reference Steven Universe or Thundercats for your work? Anime is an idealized version of reality and referencing it too much will just lead to bad habits.
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>>6289503
Not anon you're referring to
But Thundercats
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>hide anything with a female, but take a moment to admire the landscapes, medieval story type stuff and the humourous OP image.
ENTER, Me(busy)!

Posted the left one before, but I like how they look side by side.

In all seriousness, do hope you reach your goals regardless of my personal taste/comments as always; WGMI.

Finally branching into full figures and Original scenes off-screen, which is a bit frustrating but also fun even if I end up with nothin'.

>>6288326
Me on the right if I were a jawlet/chinlet and don't cut my hair or shave for a year, but too scrawny.

Now I return to being a family man and missing a few threads.
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>>6289115
so is this kinda how I should do the sketches then move on to get as many done as possible?
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I keep trying and giving up learning how to render
Its just so daunting
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>>6289531
Post something so we can give you pointers
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>>6289528
you are suppose to properly draw the wrapping lines. You lazily drew them such that they are perpendicular to the thicker lines kek. Have you ever drawn a cylinder in 3d before anon?
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>>6289532
the most recent study ive done and even it's probably a month old now
I just keep putting it off because of how difficult it is
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>>6289534
no this is my first time actually attempting drawing.
I guess I'll look that up to do it properly
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>>6289545
I recommend you to do dynamic sketching by peter han. It's really all about being in control of your lines when drawing despite him going overly autistic on the assignments.
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>>6288991
You could opt for a comic book style video.
Where you do voice overs with still images.

>>6289043
haha
>>6289065
Holy autism!
>>6289094
Dont worry Anon, his gf is not loyal and likely a 6/10
>>6289121
lol
>>6289310
Ty & Saved
>>6289313
Is this Cuthulu's mom?
>>6289373
>Human beans
I get it now!
>>6289539
The pecks are too deep.
Unless the guy has literal breasts the shading should be shorter in the middl, not to mention you have it on the underside of the left peck while at the upper and front side of the right Trapezius
t.Used to Bodybuild

also the fact that you didnt doo to much shading on the abs is perfect, abs are not really that defined, you need a top down light to really see them on 99% of people including bodybuilders
oh and the light on the right rib and abdomen is a bit too far inwards
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>>6289551
ok, I guess I'll do that a lot more then, I was just trying studies based on the vids linked in the guide. but I';; probably just focus on shapes instead now.
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Painting is hard, I'm ngmi, going to go back to floating heads
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30 min rubens study. Not necessarily showing value yet (but got confused in some areas) just the forms.
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Progress.
Slow but progress.
Just need to better shade and add lighting to it.
Think I might add some other details before I go deeper with it though.
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>>6289629
Hey you. Yeah you. You're gonna make it!
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>>6289656
thanks frend
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>>6289168
It looks okay but I can't find the place the light(s) are coming from the face shape doesn't seem to add up. Is he covered in blood or something?
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https://voca.ro/1l7DEt15Pqtr

Tick Tock, /beg/.

Tick. Tock.
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>>6289496
Good redline
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>>6289696
Kill yourself
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>>6289696
>50 drawings an hour
yeah not happening schizo. if this was real or something like the movie "speed" it would have been over immediately take your meds
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if this thread goes under 55 drawings an hour we're all dead
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>6289696
Not quite sure what you meant by this but kind of entertaining, I guess?
I don't really have any talent, so I think I'm fine.
Will only take me about a month of grinding fun stuff to get back to this level.
>>6289706
I got that reference.
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>>6289696
I love you
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>>6289696
21 minutes left, it's over...
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Next time, /beg/... next time...
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we did it bros
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wip, anything off?
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>>6289336
Probably because your shit is soulless and doesn't elicit any (emotional) response or it's just extremely mediocre.
Now post pyw and we'll see how int you are
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>>6289359
Left conveys more emotion imo
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>>6289571
>You could opt for a comic book style video.
>Where you do voice overs with still images.
Nah going to do animations, otherwise I'd be rendering too
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>>6288794
Ruined
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How do I get over how boring this shit is?
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>>6289773
hmm, crotch too big, arms too short, belly button too high, legs too long, and anatomy is slightly off everywhere.

Gosh that was harsh, but your drawing is really nice. The best part is the face
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>>6289805
get a refund on the course and pick up Vilppu
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>>6289809
Is it honestly any different? I think I just find this part of grinding boring.
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>>6289811
vilppus renaissance figure drawing course is pretty fun, do it at the same time that you are doing the grindy exercises in drawing manual
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>>6288337
I understand the appeal of huge buttocks, but in this case they are so big that they seem to be intruding into the area of the character's thighs. For that reason, I suggest that you make the visible upper leg of the girl a bit slimmer.

Also, I think that you should give her a slightly less receding chin by moving it a bit further to the front.
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>>6289805
LMFAO
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>>6288794
The trapezius muscle of the character is excessively pronounced, so it ends up looking sorta like a humpback. You should lower the vertex where the trapezius intersects with the neck until it reaches (at least) the middle point of the latter's lenght.
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>>6289118
bridget anon share your blog pls
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Any advice welcome.
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>>6289811
Vilppu's is complete. Proko's is a partial course

>>6289844
proportions proportions proportions. Keep practicing figure drawing
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>>6289844
instead of trying to paint and render, learn how to draw first
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>>6289844
Yoooh I want her to board my ship and slide her thighs between my legs
As for advice, proportions of anatomy yeah
Looks soulfull and good though
Also the colors are a bit harsh.
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>>6289844
What direction is the main light coming from?
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Am I artist yet pee paw
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>>6289844
Gonna be blunt don't want to feed you false praises. Too many things wrong to begin with. I suggest you abandon everything your brain has learnt so far and just focus in copying from reference. You lack the observational skills necessary to see your mistakes let alone fix them. I'm sure a qualified art instructor will say the same. Observation is the only fundie that matters to you right now. Godspeed anon.
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>>6289591
Ok dunning. You don't even need critique since you already know what to fix. Just post and stfu with the ngmi monologue.
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>>6289844
This is really soulfull man, I can see the love you've put in verry nice.
Please don't get discouraged you've got great potential!
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kek
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>figure drawing and learning anatomy
>looking at naked women all day
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>>6289105
can i get full res of the bottom right?
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>>6289960
>abandon everything your brain has learnt so far
But that girl's face is pretty nice
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Wanted to practice some hands but also wanted to have a bit of fun and not draw a bunch of disembodied hands over and over.

Introducing Hand Man!
Likes: Drawing, Fighting, Counting
Dislikes: Repetative motions

You shall be blessed with well formed, three-dimensional, and gestural appendages but ONLY if you reply "Help me, Hand Man!"
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>>6288260
look what I made for you drawfags: >>6290147
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>>6289977
UGHGHGHG I'M GONNA
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>>6290146
imagine how many people he could jack off
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Todays 5 min figures
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>>6289482
Its really hard to find good looking lips with cigars and I dont smoke miself. I will have this on mind and try to correct. Thanks.
>>6289496
Interesting, I will try this...
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howw to learn hatching?
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>>6290212
>>6290221
>>6290228
why
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>>6288260
I have no idea what I am doing
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>>6290146
Make a crotch which, instead of hands, is instead a full arm
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yeah same
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>>6290153
And? Did you do it? Like, there is nothing wrong with jacking off to nude women that you draw. You guys need to work out more. I can coom 4 before I get tired. Probably comes with the asian genes too.
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I don't feel too proud of this.
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Cube
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>>6290286
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My terrible drawing after a long break as I switched to painting miniature from tabletop. It supposed to be Yoru based on one of cosplay that I found on net.
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>>6288260
from where do you start in prokos videos? theres so many, not sure which one i should watch first.
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>>6290310
as an extra note, is the sticky in the first thread of the board outdated or something? it seems different than the one from hubpages.
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>>6289844
Besides the issues with proportion and anatomy, there's somewhat of a discrepancy between the rendering of the girl's skin and that of the rest of the picture. The glistening highlights on the former, coupled with the mostly diffuse shading, have been effective in giving it a silky appearance; but her hair, clothes and sword lack that same level of detail in texture, hence they end up looking a bit fake in comparison, like they were made of paper or cardboard. A simple way to differentiate the textures of materials is by using distinctive patterns while coloring them, those patters consisting of repeated arrangements of lines or geometrical shapes; for example, you could use crosshatching for fabric, and scales for leather (pic related). You can also use image filters, or public domain transparent patterns that are similar enough to the textures that you want to achieve.

Regarding the jagged outlines of the strands of hair, I understand that they were a stylistic choice (perhaps you were trying to draw them in the shapes of lightning-bolts, kinda like those seen in the hairstyles of some Yu-Gi-Oh! characters), but I think that the silhouettes that you depicted end up giving the hair a coarse and disheveled appearance, so I recommend that you draw more sinuous contours.

Also, the diagonal stripes of shadows and highlights make her hair look flat, as if all the strands were attached to an invisible surface instead of blowing in the wind; therefore, I suggest that you give those stripes the shapes of crescents instead, that way they would also function as sort of partial frames or halos for the head of the girl.
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kind of a stupid question, but when practicing lines and stuff (peter han) should I keep my drawing space straight for lines or is it okay to have it angled?
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>>6290295
like the drawings, you should try some of request in the draw threads.
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>>6290330
it is okay to angle your drawings to help with the lines, you are going to rotate your drawing a lot anyways
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>>6290335
ok, I wasnt sure if I was screwing myself out of a skill being able to do it horizontally that might be important later down the line
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>>6290338
when you look at how most digital professional artists work, they're forever using shortcuts and shit that you'd think are 'cheating' or missing out on skills but it's just utilising the available tools you have to get the job done efficiently

don't feel bad about that stuff, and don't think that every aspect of drawing has to be some challenge even when there are shortcuts available; if it helps you draw and the drawing comes out good, what's the problem?
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>>6290344
Everything looks good for inking, but the head-roll things the king has look more like a cushion he's resting his head on than a roll coming out of the sides of his head. It makes me want to reach in and rotate the roll to be more forward-facing.
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>>6290333
ty, what draw threads?
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>>6290352
since you are drawing meg, you could try the co drawthread or the aco thread if you want to draw lewds.
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>>6289841
https://twitter.com/_Montetsu
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How long should I focus on drawing if I'm still in the stage where I can't break down whatever I see into shapes by instinct?

I feel that I'm being too impatient whenever I'm practicing and I spend only around 1 minute or maybe 2 minutes at most trying to capture as many things about the shape as I can before moving on.

When do I know when to slow down?
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>>6290278
>ET phone home
Also why are my circles so damn inconsistent?
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>>6290418
My circles looked exactly like this due to the years of muscle memory writing the letter O in cursive style.
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>>6290426
nta, but are you supposed to do multiple passes for circles when practicing, or just a single line each attempt?
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Hello beg. The book just game me homework which will take a year or two. This book is truly something else

>>6290384
1. you forgot to PYW
2. your question doesnt make much sense
3. you have to put in as much time as is needed until you are happy with the result
4. less thinking, more drawing
>>6290352
Anon i have nothing against your stuff, looks basic but clean as if you are pro already. BUT why dont you post them all in one pic once you are done? Like i do with my shit? Imagine the spam if i post the gestures separately lmao
>>6290344
Solid. Is this copied or are you this good at drawing from imagination? If its from imagination then i kneel
>>6290146
Help me, Hand Man!
>>6289936
Your signature is more fancy than the bird. Still its good bird
>>6289591
good apple
>>6289336
>doesnt pyw
Lmao. Btw riddle me the high int anon: if you can copy master paintings perfectly then... What problem could you possibly have? Once you pass the skill barrier all there is left is to find a theme / message / feeling for your pieces. No?
>>6289317
Both Keys to Drawing and Natural Way to draw described gesture the same way. Drawing on Right side of brain didnt mention gesture. Also they both kinda said there isnt a wrong way how to draw it as long as you do it FAST
>>6289094
How many girls have you asked on a date this year anon?
>>6288597
>realistic
Pros find a photo or texture and use it in their drawings. However i would say your picture is "too clean". You are trying to depict waste land. Where are all the trash, dust, random particles scattered everywhere? How come everything is so clean and uniform? If you want to display disaster, your art must look like that. Also its too bright. Even inside the station its not 100% black. Slap in way darker tones where its appropriate. And way more dust and cracks and litter.
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>>6290146
You got me to comment. I got to hand out to you.
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Kind of a shit day, one of those days where you draw even if it sucks. Been like that since Wednesday for me. This was the best I could fucking do in three days.
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ah fuck me, wtf am I not getting here... I've mostly done Huston's beginner head drawing and mostly done art and science of drawing (I don't have a banana and a marker handy). But everything I draw is potato heads
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My back hurts like fucking crazy, and my hand hurts like fucking crazy, after drawing for only about two hours. I got an easel for my tablet thinking it'd help my posture but I'm in so much pain that I physically cannot draw any more today, and I don't even know how to describe what I'm doing so people can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
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>>6290466
Try vilppus, eviston is quintessential beg trap, and Huston's book is just straight up a bad version of drawing lessons from the great masters
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>>6290487
will do that right now, any specific course? How does one take the vilppu pill?
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random sketch
I just wanted to draw some booba
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>>6288260
My first ever drawing. What'd I do wrong?
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>>6290498
Understandable
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>>6290497
Grab the ic torrent download both his drawing manual and renaissance figure drawing course (I prefer the latter as it's newer and has assignments). Work through that while working through the drawing manual pdf (archive.org) don't worry if you are ahead on one (I just finished cylinders on his video course but am still working on combining spherical and box form in his book).

Also copy master drawings. Obligatory pyw (anything with pract....jpg done on newsprint and colored pencil is me in these threads).
>>6289629

Best of luck been doing Vilppu for a month and it's been truly educational.
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>>6290487
God, is everything that looks doable to me a beg trap?

also do you niggas use tripod or overhand grip?
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>>6290511
I'm a retard and can only do tripod or a loose underhand. Don't be like me, I imagine I'm going to be in pain once I start practicing value and need to shade things. I don't get how anons get accuracy with overhand all my lines come out wrong with it.
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>>6290503
Where's the body? Did you forget or is it just being obscured
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>>6288260
this sketch is quite old but i doubt much has changed, i legit dont know anything about construction. i believe i watched a marc brunet and david fynch video online about head construction but i dont know much about male bodies or body construction atm i feel. which part of the loomis book or rather-
what video teaches you how to deconstruct the male body? where you put the muscles, proportions or the basic shapes for the mannequin
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My proportions are doing fine, right?
(I would fix the hand later)
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>>6290517
That doesn't look like your whole body? I might be extremely deformed anons
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I made some Rebecca turnarounds
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I'm wokring on breaking down my gestures into simpler shapes since they've all been coming out more as contour drawings but I feel like I'm stuck still and would appreciate some pointers
I watched the first video from Vilppu's course on gesture after Michael Hampton's course and while I've gone a little further in progress it's still lacking
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>>6290532
You're not drawing the initial flow of the form - draw internal and cross contour lines instead. Watch vilppu again, especially when he draws with a pen since he does beautiful gesture work with it.
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>>6290535
>the initial flow of the form
Is this the same thing as the action line? I'm not surprised that I'm getting tunnel vision with this kind of thing when I'm supposed to be loose and thinking big picture--literally.
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>>6290538
No action line is too simplistic and only useful for single actions - like a kick, think about how the body is moving like is there a twist is it leaning etc like showing the flow of water down a river. Vilppu literally uses that analogy.

Also use cross contour lines as much as you can especially for the legs. It helps a ton.
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>>6290540
I'll definitely keep that in mind, watching him draw makes so much sense to me but when I go to do it myself it comes out bad.
Thanks for the advice fren
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>>6290503
peeny weeny do like theeny
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>>6290543
Do the drawing with him anon, try pausing the video doing your own and then going over it while copying what he does. It'll help. Don't just passively watch that's not learning.
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What's up with the section about overcoming symbol drawing in the sticky? I never see it mentioned in courses, or talked about. I've never seen anyone post that stravinsky exercise.

Is it a beg trap?
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>>6290551
Basically keep it simple until you're ready to advance
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>>6290551
It's a turbo beg thing that you should overcome in your first month or two of drawing. Basically it's drawing what you think is there instead of what's actually there. 100% of the Perma begs on this board still symbol draw despite drawing for years (see esdeath schizo), so if you want to avoid becoming like them you should learn not to symbol draw.
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>>6290558
Nta, but I have never seen any non /ic/ artist mentioned simple drawing besides drawings being flat. I really want to get better. Im this tard right here. >>6290278
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tried doing some sketches again today (after doing some line practice (Ik it needs more work))
to be able to "see" the wrapping lines in kinda "blurry/muddy" organic shapes, is that something that will be a lot easier after just practicing more and more?
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>>6290563
Quick tip for drawing those wrapping lines. I assume you're holding a pencil or stylus or something. It's a basic cylinder. Tilt your pen/stylus either toward you or away from you (or in whatever direction the reference is going) and look at the edge of the base or wherever there's some kind of ring around it. that will help remind you how to curve the line if your brain ever jams up and you can't remember how it should go.
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oh, thats a cool tip. thanks
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how do I draw like hehesilly
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>>6290544
As some who had his cock circumsized at a very young age, this is disgusting. Imagine sticking this in a woman's vagina and getting Herpes.
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>>6290563
About your lines: that is something that will get easier with time, it really is a matter of mileage.
Now, about the wrapping lines: https://youtu.be/3uEtdDvK6Xo
Watch this video, it will explain better than i would
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How do I into character design? I can't draw for shit but I'm practicing and I wanna start trying to draw a character for a story of mine
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>>6290590
don't do any fast strokes, go nice and slow, pressure it to make it accurate enough but don't go for anything too smooth, the lines are supposed to feel a bit jerky but clean. That's pretty much it.
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>>6290146
what about feet? it's my main fetish. give Hand Man a Feet Women.
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>>6289336
can relate. Honestly, at this stage, it's probably better if you just tried to work with pros IRL and get to a professional environment. Because improving at this stage is putting out conscious effort into constantly deconstructing your output and only aiming for certain perfection levels of accuracy.
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>>6289336
are you a yujiro type motherfucker that wants to improve despite arleady being at the top? You know you can just reap the rewards now and draw whatever you want, you made it retard
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how can i learn to line a ruler up properly? i'm trying to learn perspective, but everything keeps coming out crooked no matter how straight the edge is simply because it isn't at the right relative angle.

it might be because whenever i'm looking at a surface, my head automatically cocks at a 45 degree angle, and i have no idea why. should i force my head to stay completely straight when drawing?

it's weird, because whenever i read books, i automatically tilt it to a 45 degree angle to compensate and that works because the words are already on the page. however, drawing's an entirely separate beast as i can't seem to compensate for that angle with my lines, even when flipping the paper to that angle, i draw as if the paper was at 180 degrees rather than the 45 degrees it's at.

is this autism or is it possible to find some kind of exercise to cure me from this?
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>>6288260
i'm back with another canon drawing
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>>6290723
btw I like this style so much, I'm terrible but I want to draw like pic related
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>>6289780
lol.lol. I mean you can try and critic my work by you will just say awesome like all else who sees at them but offer no real advice. Or if you try crab I will know its envy of you to say bad things. But ok, behold.
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>>6290735
hot a wot babbiat, wring image, here
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>finally upload a new drawing after a long time
>when the last time I was uploading anything anyway
>march
how do I get out from this hell
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>>6290718
Can you post an example of what you're talking about?
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>>6290747
Hold on, let me get my pencil and paper out. Give me about 20 minutes to illustrate what I mean.
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>>6290747
Okay, I did several examples and now I realize that I have no idea how to construct a cube via vanishing points. Give me 5 minutes to show you my errors.
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>>6290758
>>6290755
>>6290747
>>6290718
behold, the tragic extent of my failings

1st is supposed to be a cube when glanced at from beneath it

2nd is when you glance down at it

3rd is an attempt at one point cube
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>>6290764
No rulers until pro tier. Just to speed up process. Use very light lines and ghosting until then
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>>6290803
do you have any suggestions for understanding or drawing simple forms for the perspective addled? to put it into perspective how probably autistic i am, every time i try to study a simple form, like a cylinder or cube, i first see the thing as the thing and not the form.

for example, when if i were to use a box of kleenex as a subject of studying rectangles, i’d see it as a box of kleenex first. then i see it as the form and try to draw it but the perspective fucking gets me. i don’t know how this is even possible.

because i’m a tallfag, most of my work surfaces are waist-level for me. i look at the kleenex box from birds eye position, i start drawing but i quickly begin to feel an immense kind of discomfort when k actually try to draw or study it for some reason. it’s like someone slowly driving a cold awl through my eye in terms of discomfort and how it feels.

if i try to power through, my study/drawing ends up being 80% correct in terms of perspective, though there’s always that one line or angle thst makes it unseemly. i know you always fail when learning, but this particular way of not getting it right fills me with a primordial kind of horror. it’s the kind that flutters in your gut and then raises your hair before the pressure starts building in your skull and stomach.

should i just suck it up and keep trying or are there exercises to make the process more comfortable?
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>>6290816
you gotta suck it up and work through your height blessing. Just get on the floor or lift the tissue box or something, or place it on the shelf. You're over thinking it mostly. I also struggle with perspective but admittedly I don't really practice like I should. I wish I remembered that book by some chick who explains perspective very well and uses an example of a glass screen to line things up. You can also just wing it for now and use rulers later when your grasp of 3D gets a small bit better
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>>6290816
draw buildings with streets not just random cubes
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michelangelo and rubens study. ignore jesus' face lol
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>>6290803
>No rulers until pro tier
crab advice
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>>6290522
chicken scratch, fix that
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what’s the difference between practicing on paper and practicing on a device like an ipad pro?

is it better to learn art on paper as a beginner then transfer the skills you learn to digital or does it really not matter?
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>>6290723
Fingers touching... TOO LEWD!
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>>6290867
I think it's better to start out on paper and then move to digital imo. Whatever is easier for you. Drawing on the iPad pro feels a lot more like trad art compared to other tablets, especially if you get a matte screen protector.
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>>6290860
I would once I become confident with the proportions.
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>>6290867
Draw on paper first because of 2 major advantages
1. You are isolated from the pc
2. You can see your fingers and therefore have no qualms with your hand-eye coordination

Starting at digital is absolutely horrid way to go.
You have no experience with using your hands without looking.
Do note: It would take 1-3 months to adapt your skills from paper to digital.
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>>6290882
pretty sure anatomy is more of a problem here, her rib cage is too far up to bend upwards like that. it should be much closer to the pelvis leading to a gradual slope upward not a horizontal line and then a 60 degree slope towards her neck.

try constructing a simple skeleton under the figure youll realize its impossible, or do the pose yourself.
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>>6290885
Ooooh.
Now it makes sense why I cannot understand my reference pic

Pic is my ref and I cannot figure out how this anatomy works.
It was the damn ribcage. It was too high.
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>>6290885
Is this better?
I want to avoid a complete overhaul if possible
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>>6290902
maybe? youre asking a /beg/ for advice, imo shoulder is still too high, maybe try tracing over your reference pic where the pelvis and rib cage should be.
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>>6290867
Don't listen to this retard >>6290884 who didn't funny grasp your question. Ipad pro is wireless and disconnected from a p.c. and you draw right on it because it's a tablet, he is describing a non- screen tablet.
I've had an iPad pro for years and learning on it is fantastic. It's just a time saver, and money saver in the long run. You won't wear out papers erasers pencils etc, and you can learn value stuff easier on it.
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>>6290910
Are you really so poor you cannot afford to waste papers and erasers?
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>>6290902
your ref is ridiculous, but i think this is how the forms are working under the clothes. Your drawing doesn't have enough overlap between the hips and the ribs
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>>6290914
>>6290902
>>6290882
just pose it?
https://app.justsketch.me/
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>>6290914
I like ridiculous poses because there's so much energy in them.
My goal is to understand foreshortening and perspective by the end of this year.
Not master, just know them enough to make a wider array of poses
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Why are there 3 stickies, which is the right one?
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>>6290948
Unabashedly egotistical yet unrelentingly miserable author of the "collab" sticky here. They all pretty much suck. None of them will really tell you what you need to do to get good, yet you should still read all three, because what the fuck how lazy do you have to be to not read 3 blogposts. You're in this for the long-term anyways. Just get books and do self-learning. Practice all the fundies and make art. Remember that you probably suck more than you think you do, and don't chase after "fringe" courses, stick with the staples.
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>>6290530
Man, no one commented on this but I gotta say this is some nice work. I'm sure the proportions like the belly and hips are your personal stylistic choice but I feel like the feet are a little too man-like.
Neat linework and form though!
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>>6290902
I feel retarded for spending a lot of time on this but the pose looked fun. You didn't foreshorten her left arm and neck enough. And like the other anon showed, the arm is basically straightened out. The angle of the butt in your drawing is straight on while you are slightly looking down at it on the ref.
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i struggle to make my art look like the character whenever they wear anything other than their usual hairstyle/outfit. anyone got any advice?
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>>6290985
fighting game characters dont really have consistent faces
They look different in every single official artwork
Once you remove the colors and hairstyle the character is gone
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>>6290738
>he calls this int
Nigger wtf you can't even draw hands you're probably the same guy that drew that fucking bitch sitting on the ground whose hand looked like foot and why are the legs of the girl on her knees so far apart nobody kneels like that honestly all the girls in the foreground just look off
I do like the mood for the lack of a better word
Learn to draw feet and hands properly before you come around calling yourself le "int" mr.tumblr tier art
>>6288597
Ambient occlusion and proper material definition would help
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>>6290989
true but characters usually do have a disinct "look"
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>>6290911
>poor
lol come on don't project, that's weakness. i work hard to feed my several autistic as fuck and expensive as fuck side-hobbies.
>>6290867
btw, a surface 8 pro with slim pen2 is probably the best thing you could draw on for the money imo. super versatile, jack of all trades. i just often suggest an ipad pro w/pencil2 because you can find em used for maybe less than $300 including pencil2. the paints i like are like $130~ per set for an ok one, and i can go through em in a month or 2.
but imo nothing beats the feeling of traditional paints, although it's a bit harder to handle than a fun ' infinite erase' canvas on a tablet, and never having to learn how to mix paints on digital.
>tl;dr
learn on anything, draw if you like to draw. trust only the real board sticky and your own judgement, have fun with /ic/ shitposts but never take anything serious ever, etc. etc.
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>>6291005
My Surface Pro touch screen suddenly stopped working after 2 years.
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>>6291007
damn bad luck. that's partly why i got the warranty. although i wouldn't mind dropping 1.2k every 2 years for this thing, if i am still alive+into drawing
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>>6290996
yeah, hairstyle, color scheme, accessories
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/thread
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>>6291019
huge fan, miss t.b. choi, crazy seeing you here!
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>>6290958
Thanks for the praise, anon. I've neglected my feet studies so I don't know how to make them feminine yet.
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>>6289152
ok i redid it all, looks a lot better now imo
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>>6290959
I'm not trying to copy the foreshortened arm
It was my reference but I want a different arm pose
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>>6291019
>>6291005
please continue to dab on these ngmi begs. I'm sick and tired of spoonfeeding these permabegs despite regularly visiting this thread and I see the same fucktards I offered critiques having not progressed in quality.
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>>6291005
>get called poor
>suddenly posted his entire asset

First off, it was a joke
Secondly, what the fuck, man. You are so damn insecure. No one cares about your money, just pyw
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>>6291245
Yeah, outlining does that
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>>6291285
Are you the guy who thinks that anyone drawing in pencil is esdeathfag?
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>>6291245
her arms are fucjked bro
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Is my arm correct?
I'm planning to do outlining now but I need a second glance
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>>6291294
that and a full repaint

>>6291301
yeah her left arm is like a noodle
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Working on some basic shading. I'm not sure on how to handle the hair though
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Fixed it for you Anna. It might not be what the original was trying to do, but I thought the pose could use a few tweaks. Lmk how you feel abt it.
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>>6291674
Ok, that's extremely useful but I cannot use those hands because it ruins the gesture.

Eye to genital in a gentle slide. That's where I want the focus.

Doing to hands captures all the energy
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>>6291674
Thanks for pointing out the back and neck muscles. I need those so damn much
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>>6291481
Im done with this work. I need to work more on my lineart because the hair sucks. Opinions?
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No problem bro. I tend to do perspective-heavy poses so i understand if that wasnt your style of doing things.
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>>6291686
You could have given the coat a slight curve and depth just to keep the presence of the breast, you know
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>>6291686
Proportions are a bit too off, facial features are too small for the massive head, mouth is a bit out of perspective, tip of cig also not in perspective. Linework overall needs improvement, you should focus on that more next time. I suggest moving on to a new work and learning from this one
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>>6291287
shut the fuck up you broke little beg bitch
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Granted this is a very raw sketch, but I had that weird "aha" moment a little while ago while redrawing this figure I skteched out earlier today (2). I'll try to put it into words, but I think it may have clicked for me a little, you aren't really supposed to draw the finished image as much as you are trying to "sclupt" it out of shapes, right? Like I couldn't get the damn shape right, so I just redrew spheres instead to get the shape I wanted. And while the anatomy is not quite right, it is at least better?

All of this is just drawing simple shapes and "chiseling" it into what you want by adding more and more detail? I get that some people don't need to do the whole shape step and can just bypass it if they have drawn a body 100, 1000, 10000 times or whatever. It is really weird, but I think I might kinda' get it?

Following this logic, if I really want to get better, I should really learn how to break down the human shape into simple stuff and then chisel at it till it looks right?
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>>6291715
yeah you nailed it really. Similar principle with blocking in hair
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>>6291295
nta but his style is so deeply rooted in /beg/ now to the point any pencil drawing posted here that shows a complete disregard of fundies is an esdeath themselves.
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I hate helping you fucking beginners I hope you all get stuck in permabeg hell
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>>6291019
awesome work dude, I hope to be able to knock a bunch of heads out like that soon
who do you recommend to study?
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someone make a new thread
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>>6291842
If it's any consolation, you're not helping.
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Holy fuck, after years of thinking "drawing from the shoulder" was a meme it finally clicked for me.
Your wrist doesn't move AT ALL when drawing from the shoulder. Without realizing it, I used to do this ghetto method where my shoulder would move a little, my elbow a medium amount, and my wrist a lot. I thought the shoulder movement was meant to complement the wrist but your wrist does NOT move! (Elbow is still kept loose tho)

I can suddenly draw near-perfect circles 3x the size what I used to be able to make, I'm not even kidding.
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>>6291874
make it yourself
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Hello beg

>>6291889
>didnt post his perfect circles from shoulder
You had one job anon...
>>6291842
Your hate only makes us stronger
>>6291686
Visually impressive. Sorry cant crit any better but its so simple yet flashy i like it
>>6290985
If you cannot draw face in a way its recognizable it means you are either lacking observation skills OR that you are trying to draw anime where all waifus look exactly the same. Like look up street fighter 5 cammy and juri. And then just draw their faces. If it isnt recognizable then you need to level up your observation skills.
>>6290948
If sticky doesnt contain section with recommended literature which has Keys to Drawing in it, consider such sticky as "use on your own risk".
>>6290867
Digital is a bit harder because the stylus never acts like pencil on paper so it can easily take you weeks before you get used to it. On other hand trad doesnt have UNDO and billion useful utilities AND you need camera or scanner before you can PYW. In terms of pure drawing its the same thing. Pick whatever you want. BTW not having UNDO is great boon for begs so you learn how to have line confidence early
>>6290740
Natural Way to Draw book makes you draw 100 gestures daily and later it gives you daily homework which you need to do every single day for the next two years. Might help you
>>6290667
>permaBEG stuck in manlet hole wondering what he did(not) do to deserve such fate
I love it. This is real art. Art with message and feels
>>6290519
Read the sticky bro. Vilpu, loomis, hamilpton, basically any book from intermediate is about construction
>>6290482
Change table, change chair, sit sideways, put pillow under your butt, find ergonomics where your spine doesnt explode. Be careful anon, so many people each year cripple themselves by ignoring ergonomics!
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how do I get over feeling like I'm ngmi
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Any critiques?
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>>6291953
Just for you anon
Black is from the shoulder, red is with my fucked up method, [spoiler]blue is from the wrist.[/spoiler]
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>>6291958
you are probably ngmi if you feel like you're ngmi if you want my input then you should post your work otherwise work on becoming nngmi (not ngmi) if you don't then you will stay ngmi because you have to put in the effort to go from ngmi -> gmi which is easier said than done but if you dawdle and stay ngmi then you will nnngmi (never not ngmi)
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>>6291988
Huh, there's no spoiler tags on this board
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>>6291992
[spoiler] retard [/spoiler]
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>>6291961
Yeah,
one piece is some of the ugliest art combined with some of the most shamelessly formulaic and cliché storytelling ever shat out in Japanese media history. One need only glance at the state of the fanbase to get a sense of the mental deficiency needed to enjoy that insult to sequential art. I implore you to seek influences elsewhere, Akira toriyama is one of many excellent examples of the peaks of appeal in both writing style and artwork style. Unfortunately his influence has been so astronomically iconic, that the far reaching effects ( others mimicking him and his styles etc) have made him seem less than impressive to some lesser brained individuals.
If you like one piece that's cool too, just saying.
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>try to capture shapes and lines in a piece of fried chicken
>oh shit this is actually working
>hunger overcomes mind right after i think i have the contours down
>consumes fried chicken
every time
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I respect it, but I just asked if NY drawing was good or not.
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finally the /beg/ containment chamber will be opened and the /beg/s released into nature the cycle broken order restored
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>>6292103
You already know the answer to that question, so why waste yours and everyone else's time? Are you able to look inside yourself in a painfully honest way and answer that question instead?
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>>6291953
holy shit this guy is the blind leading the blind
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>>6291679
>>6291680
he was making fun of you retards
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>>6291053
I'm sure those studies will help whenever you get to them, but as a start I think thinning the ankles in relation to the rest of the legs and having less contours in the general silhouette of the feet will help make it more feminine.
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Can someone critique my Bridgman master study?
Doing the copy twice method. Some of them are redraws from memory.
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>>6292206
Well, he did a poor poor job as I didn't get it and I still don't get how it's supposed to offend me
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NEW THREAD
>>6292446
>>6292446
>>6292446
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Im genuinely confused. I asked for art critiques and your running around in fucking circles trying to be on some zen mystical shit.
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>>6292026
what are your thoughts on kishimoto's style?
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>>6292691
Honestly? Not into naruto but the art is pretty great, one of the last impressive art styles I've seen in a long time.



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