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Why You Should Copy Anime:
https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgjx6y6B_G8
Krenz Accuracy Imgs: https://files.catbox.moe/tklkj8.rar

**Strive for quantity AND quality.**

Anime Studying:
>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.
>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.
>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.

General Anime Style Discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

/mmg/ - Manga Making General:
>>>/ic/mmg

Previous Thread:
>>6464171
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>>6483517
All these are merely copies, poorly tracing what others have done.
that's the best here??
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>>6483604
>anon fails to understand what a study is
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>>6483604
Tracing is the first step. If you can't trace it's impossible for you to freehand it. Bet you couldnt even trace a work properly since you're crabbing.
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>>6483732
How far has tracing got you? Have you drawn from imagination yet?
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>>6483746
Just post your work and end this with a laugh mikushit
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What is the point of learning to trace if it isn't going to allow you to draw what you want?
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>studying by coping/tracing
>never it's applied to original content

so ummm, where are the drawings from imagination????
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>>6483824
kys mikuturd
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>>6483831
I know it's you mikutard, post your work i could use a laugh
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>>6483830
im not that faggot, but even him doesn't waste his entire time just copying/tracing, at least he uses whatever garbage his fundies are into his creations, meanwhile the peopole itt defend being a copycat of other's people work under the pretext of stadying , pretty shameful when even /beg/ draw more shit from imagination with their basic fundies.
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great thread, guys
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>>6483517
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
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>>6483746
>>6483824
>>6483855
I trace, copy, use ref, and make my own art. U got a problem bro?
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I am not the only one who is genuinely curious to know what you have learned from tracing, but after being treated with hostility after asking a simple question it seems you haven't learned anything but being defensive.
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>>6483824
>imagination
i don't have any
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>>6484015

It's a tool that can help you improve your mark-making, dexterity, line-weight, shape design, understanding someone's style, etc.

Amazing how people get angry in Anime STUDY General about people studying anime lol
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>>6484078
Have any of these studies reflect your most recent work? By your most recent work I mean *your* work, not a copy off someone else.
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You don't get it. If you study a certain topic, that means you have to know that topic before hand.
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>>6483992
pyw
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>>6483517
what manga is in the pic related
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this kills the /asg/copykek
;)
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>>6484370
is that what you want to make why don't you study it ;)
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So according to https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpg, If I trace enough things from a certain artist, some things of him will rub off on me?
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>>6484370
Tell us what do you want us to draw anon, we'll oblige, and pyw now that you're at it
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>>6484459
>some things of him will rub off on me?
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>>6484503
so it was all a goof?
i knew it
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>>6484510
you can always try to draw something from imagination and see it for yourself you know.
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>>6484513
k, throw me a prompt.
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this pose , if possible with the hair weaving like this, not nesssarily in the same direction, lenght of hair, girl and clothes is up to you
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>>6484530
>>6484518
ah fuck
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If you actually studies fundies, you would be able to draw anime by now, /asg/tards. Mindlessly as usual
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>>6484532
>If you actually studies fundies
how? where?
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>>6484531
Post source nigger
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let me know bros
skintone looks a bit weird because I have to seperate tanskin from untanned (tanlines whatever)
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>>6484550
How anyone remotely decent does, pick up a Hampton and loomis book.
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>>6484536
https://twitter.com/cyjalway?s=21&t=mW-ycFSW_UbDqyWIYLh9jQ
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>>6484530
yeah, couldn't do it.
i'll post the attempt either way
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>>6484661
if this >>6484510 >>6484459 is the style you were trying to replicate, it doesnt look like it at all.
im not going to be a smug crab but... i told you so copying and understanding how it's done are 2 completely different things.
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>>6484674
ah, that. it's just my shitty style
just started today with tracing houten and didn't feel confident enough to try adapting his style to mine
what I actually want from houten is they way he construct bodies. I need a method that isn't too contrived or complex
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So the idea is

Trace > Draw from ref > Try to do it from memory
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>>6484688
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>>6484688
oh no no no
They found our secret. How will we gatekeep the begs now.
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how do you copy shading without step-by-step tutorial?
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>want to learn anatomy of certain muscles/body parts in order to draw cuter anime girls
>every video i can find uses incredibly buff men as reference
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>>6483517
wiegmi?
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>>6483824
The OP sucks. It's like a syllabus. "Here's what we're going to do for the next 3 months" in bullet-list form, but your professor dies of a heart attack and all of the sudden the daily 50 minute lectures that were going to explain to you how to actually draw are gone and you burn out making 20 accuracy studies confused about what the syllabus meant by this or that.
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Hello, newfag here, do you have recommended softwares and links or places where i could get them? Asking since i haven't seen anything about softwares in the OP
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>>6484732
you need to understand it first, hence why you need the step-by-step tutorial
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>>6484858
instructors use muscular people so that brainlets like you can learn as easy as possible
ps. off yourself, you fucking nonce
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drew me some power
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>>6485395
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>>6485404
redline it for me bro
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>>6485395
flat westoid face and that leg anatomy is giving me some serious keks
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>>6485417
Can you redline it, love to see how to make it better
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>>6485415
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>>6485426
oh so it's the nails basically? I can definitely change that
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>>6485395
what is better, sketching the eyelashes like yours or tracing the outside of the eyelashes then filling with color?
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>>6485417
>>6485426
Perhaps more like this?
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any good resource for drawing heads? i swear everytime I draw heads and I start adding features I have to modify it all the time. If not then I get some giant head like an alien
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>>6485840
can you pyw?
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>>6485840
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%E9%A0%AD%E3%81%AE%E6%8F%8F%E3%81%8D%E6%96%B9
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>>6485395
don't mind me just redrew some of it
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>>6485840
>>6486096
It's hard to help you if you don't post examples of the heads you drew...
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>>6485572
Have you tried using design doll or posing in csp? Most twitterfags just trace 3d models when they are in a hurry.
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>>6486175
I haven't tried to really use it seriously but honestly would rather just use a real model with a figurine. Most of the time it seems to be glitchy, might be unoptimized for my mid tier graphics card
>>6486148
I think the thing I noticed when repainting was the horns needed to be more alinged and the eyes slightly rotated. If you're the same fag who commented on the westoid then I'm not sure why you made the eyes look unfocused and off in different directions with the pupil. I like the idea of going for thinner bonier fingers but now they're different thicknesses and look sort of weird to me somehow now. I'm going for a more extremes foreshortening so I'm not sure that the leg would still be that thick on the right either.
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cute!
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8A8tcJL/
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>>6486175
They are ok for general pose and proportions, you need anatomy knowledge to draw over it otherwise it will look unnatural.
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>>6485572
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1977398
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pls critique me pls pls!
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>>6486327
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>>6486330
this is trad?
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>>6486330
Really good, try to finish the lineart i want to see it
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>>6486330
>>6486664
cute
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>>6486330
The canvas left part of her face is going in way too much and her arms and legs need more work on the anatomy. The shapes are completely off. you need more loomis
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what the fuck is copying exactly other drawing is going to accomplish here? you might as well be doing that with celebrity portraits
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>>6486741
Only high IQ people know what is accomplished. You are not one of them.
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>>6486741
ngmi, try prompting
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What genuinely baffles me about this gerenal is sheer amount of defensiveness whenever people here point out that people aren't supposed to be copying studied all day and need to also study fundamentals and create there own original works. How else are you going to commit what you're practicing to memory if you never use any of it and keep bouncing for one incomplete study from another like this thread generally does? It doesn't make any sense.
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>>6486774
What you fail to realize is that most people here draw more than what they post to 4chan for """critique"". Most of the time people post copies because its very easy to objectively point out problems. Most likely they draw original work in addition to doing master studies and following a certain artist. People post original works as well but most of the retards here can't redline anybody despite thinking they can talk shit to anyone in the thread.
The reason why most people are copying this hard is because there is literally people on Twitter who copy one artist style religiously, (almost to the point of becoming a clone of them) and it is surefire and easy way to get massive followers and likes. It's happened and will continue to happen time and time again, so it seems like the most retard proof strategy to actually making it online
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>WHY ARE YOU COPYING?
>YOU SHOULD LEARN FUNDIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>DRAW FROM IMAGINATION YOU FAGGOT REEEEEEEEEEEEE
LOL
You clearly never heard of bargue plates/observation skills/accuracy drawing
https://youtu.be/iK5Qn_Iwv9A
https://files.catbox.moe/ir0nup.mp4
https://youtu.be/HMX3K3YMbd8
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>>6484370
Atrocious
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>>6486831
China produces a million violinists every year. Yet not a single Jimi Hendrix equivalent, ever.
I've seen enough prokos and ilyas to understand that atelierfaggotry has been a disaster for the human race.
But go on, you sure will feel accomplished after yet another tracing!
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>>6486870
>tracing
can you read?
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>>6486870

The world produces 140m new humans every year. U'll never achieve greatness of Newton, Confucius, Caesar or Aristotle. There is no point for you to live, kys now.
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>>6486746
>>6486765
pathetic, you will never draw from imagination doing that
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>>6486886
okay, now imagine something without copying reality
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>>6486884
funny thing is all of them failed while being alive.

Newton: Had his academic reputation destroyed after being baited into writing a paper. Lived out the rest of his life as a recluse.

Confucius: Went around begging the kings for a place in their court before being banished. Lived out the rest of his as local teacher.

Ceasar: Never got to become king. Killed by his son and com while everyone watched.

Aristole: Shitposted by Plato. And dumped by Alexander.
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>>6486790
Giving the powerlevel of this gerenal i got a feeling people here that most people here are just copying picture while learning nothing.
>>6486831
>krenz
How many anons here actually became good only doing copies here again? Can you point the ones who got good?
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A teacher's worth is measured by the art skills of his students not his own. Krenz cultists will do well to remember that.
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>>6486831
Copying while understanding what you're drawing, using that copy to contribute to and improve your personal base point for original drawing, is more important than wrote copying. Of course a decent degree of accuracy is needed to do even this, but if you focus too much on 1:1 accuracy, you can start to fall into the trap of blindly copying lines and angles.
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>>6486870
Ateliers can atleast produce good artist. This thread is just begs making halfassed copies while clinging to the words of some chink while never questioning why asg isn't a majority /int/ by now if most anons has been following the krenz method for over a year.
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A sure way to recognize if all these "studies" have made a difference or not is to draw something from imagination, without any reference and allow yourself to actually draw and problem solve in the drawing process. Has anybody posted anything from imagination yet?
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>>6487111
yep here u go. This showcase endless possibility of my imagination
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>>6487095
>if you focus too much on 1:1 accuracy, you can start to fall into the trap of blindly copying lines and angles.
watch the fucking video pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw
krenz never said you should only copy.
>get a decent degree of accuracy
>learn fundies
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>>6487122
I see nothing but your fear.
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Ignore the trolls
They clearly didn't watched the op videos

btw krenz courses
https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-238090f8a5934eb883fc644bef1d1214
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>>6487136
All I see are words, and theories that have yet be put into application. You're posting on a visual arts board for fuck sakes, demonstrate what you've learned from these courses with your real work that has been done without copy.
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>>6487129
A narrow minded bumpkin like you cannot hope to comprehend my infinite mind. My imagination is beyond any scope a canvas can hold. My brush slices through the clarity of light itself. My vision dissects through the fabrics of reality and time. Your skepticism only address the volume of your artless and begrudging character within this deranged vicissitudes
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>>6487111
you should post your work so we can see if you're just a beg or not
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>>6487195
>>>/b/893146179
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>>6487219
beg lol
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>>6487219
nigga all you ever do is lazily trace koikatsu models and lesbian porn kekk
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Damn /beg/s btfo yet again /asg/ is still king.
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>>6487227
What makes you believe it's traced?
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>>6487219
>/b/
Go back to your containment board.
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>>6487136
Am I supposed to start from 2021 updated or main?
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At least try to draw something from imagination, you'll learn more about how you can really draw along with your weaknesses instead of deluding yourselves into believing you can draw when in actuality you just know how to copy.
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>>6487111
all right here's mine
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>>6487388
Do you have a drawing you may post before you started listening to these threads? I want to compare and contrast.
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>>6487391
nah i aint got time for that shit, too busy drawing to look through my hard drives to find my older shitty drawings
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>>6486774
>>6487046
Anons drawing from imagination means you're projecting your brain on the paper, meaning you can easily recognize who drew what even years down the road since an imagination drawing is akin to a signature.
This is 4chan and people want to remain anonymous, so this is why this thread is mostly about sharing studies. Some anons are transparent and do post their works and aren't afraid though, all the power to them, but it's understandable some don't want to do this depending on what their goal is.
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>>6487401
Of course you are.
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>>6487111
>>6487407
... and you're not drawing. You spend your days reading about what would be the "right method" for you to get good and argue about things you don't even physically do yourself.
You're both intellectually and physically a limp.
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>>6487411
Excuse me for being intrigued and asking simple questions on an artwork related board, and for your information I am drawing what was linked from /b/
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>>6487385
listen I'll explain it one time only
>copy = learning to do something specific in the artists style
>linework proportions rendering design workflow
>you practice by copying it
>you learn it through copying it
>how the fuck can you not learn something through doing this
>apply it to your art
>art skill levels up
it won't make you drastically better but you can take bits and pieces into your own work there's a reason a lot of artists won't share streams or methods because they don't want people learning how to draw like them but if you study krenz or someone else and practice your skills grow slowly asking people to make original work without reference is meaningless you're always free to use reference unless someone is holding a gun to your head or something and you should use reference or you wind up with proko kangaroo
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>>6487421
>mikufag
He literally read you like a book kek. All you do is argue on /ic/ all day while not having improved since 2015. How you think your opinion matters in the slightest here is amazing.
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>>6487421
We both know you weren't acting in good faith, don't play the victim card.

>I am drawing what was linked from /b/
Since you're asking about studies, I think studying from artists you like would help you improve and branch out more. It seems your artstyle is heavily based and inspired on 3D models judging by the way you stylize anatomy. It feels plastic-y and lacking warmth and personality.
I don't doubt you could find artists out there with similar tastes as you to try and get something out of them. There's no reason to try and hang at some kind of personal pride. You may think it's giving you value, but in reality you're just self-sabotaging yourself in fear of seeing what you could become.
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>>6487478
I learn by asking questions and picking your brain even if it means that you believe I am being malicious from pulling information out from your ass. These threads are something of an oddity because the idea was instilled in me that you do not copy especially from other people since you learn their bad habits instead you "learn the rules before you break them". I believe that by copying you are not solving the problem of stylizing a figure instead you are simply copying the right answer without knowing how you got that answer or what it means. I speculate that by allowing one of you to draw from imagination it would either reinforce my speculation or it may demonstrate what this thread is proposing. I prefer the later, but words have no meaning without an act.
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>>6487489
>[...] do not copy especially from other people since you learn their bad habits instead you "learn the rules before you break them".
Representing reality on a 2D surface implies having to make stylistic choices because you are trying to emulate what it is like for the brain to experience and see reality, therefore the "rules" you speak of are not the ultimate facts you make them to be.
If you were to study those "fundamentals" from someone, you would still be studuying from someone at all and ingraining their style & habits; for example: studying from Bridgman and ingraining his way of stylizing anatomy, for better or worse. What defines whether it's a good thing or not entirely depends on your own tastes and those of your targetted audience.

>[...] without knowing how you got that answer or what it means.
Well if you're thinking about what you're doing, and why you're doing it, I fail to see why it would be the case.

>I speculate that by allowing one of you to draw from imagination it would either reinforce my speculation or it may demonstrate what this thread is proposing.
You're implying that people who study are not also sketching, composing, thumbnailing and whatnot on the side. That's presomptuous of you really. That anon who studies Fkey is a good example if you need one.
I think you're also trying to objectify what making art should be, and how it should be done. Not everyone will have the same process or use the same tools, and that's fine. By insisting that a group of people is doing something wrong, you're effectively just projecting a complex of your own.
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>>6487388
Im really feel this brushwork and also wanted to give my art a painterly touch in the future like this. What are some things that you studied/copied that you feel benefited you the most as an art? this is my art btw >>6469687 >>6479964 and do studies on this board from time to time >>6469683 >>6477093 >>6477201 >>6487496
>>6487497
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>>6487504
magenta, you stoped trying, you should learn from me and change colours
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>>6487504
i mean mostly just doing still lives is probably the best thing for learning how to be "painterly" because you need to do more with less which means your overall values and colors need to read and and be spot on. I like your realism way more than your anime btw, and that's because you jump around so much stylistically that I don't know what your goal is. I don't even think you know what your goal is honestly. I don't really have anyone I really am aiming for, aside from maybe copying TheCecilz. Biggest thing is to have a specific artist or a group of artists that share very similar qualities to aim for. Perhaps something like Lack or Mephisto would do you some good.
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What baffles me the most about this thread is the amount of people screeching at others to stop drawing
Like an ultimate and desperate form of crabbing, they see someone pushing a pencil against a sheet of paper and they immediately throw themselves into a blind rage frothing at the mouth and attack the person in question

These people should be banned on sight under the "Drama/community vendetta" report category
And you guys should keep drawing
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>>6487553
The worst part is when you ask come asking for advice only to get some snarky asshole blasting you with vague advice. If someone is posting specifically on an art critique board that means they're looking for specific feedback like a redline or an in depth explanation. But if you disagree with their opinion or advice you get seen as a faggot, even if the feedback wasn't particularly helpful or specific.
People need to realize that constructive criticism doesn't need to have people be rude and attack other people to improve other's work. It's about telling them objectively is working and not working about the image and how they could try thinking about that, both the bad AND the good.
ex: "Anon I think you did this part well, you should strengthen it by doing X and continuing to use this technique in the future. You're lacking in part Y, so you need to concept Z in order to keep it from drawing attention away from X."

Or you know, you can just be retard faggot and just laugh at point at people that their art is bad in a vauge way and refuse to tell them why when prompted.
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You think you have it bad, try posting your work when someone asks you to only to receive backhanded replies and when asking follow up questions or just questions in general it always ends up in an argument of some form.
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>Go on one of the worst place on the internet known for being full of awful people.
>W-why are people so mean?
I dont know why I bother anymore.
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not an excuse drama-kun
you don't draw, kill yourself
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>>6487528
>>6487548
Fair. I can see how you can come to that conclusion, I did stagnate pretty hard last year and whatnot and have been drawing for drawing sake for the longest time. Since the end of last year, I have been putting in tons of effort to improve my rendering skills and have been really pushing my colors pretty hard because of my influences ( George Kamatani, ksk35, click burgundy to name a few). I finally feel like I'm forming a solid direction I wish to take my art and have finally put my pride and embraced learning from my betters in earnest. it may look chaotic and aimless from the outside but when I look at my sketchbook from the last 3 months I do see growth beginning to happen again.

>Perhaps something like Lack or Mephisto would do you some good.
thank you for the suggestions though i can't find who 'Mephisto' is.
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>>6487572
>>6487573
Bad faith shitters like >>6487594 are the disease that killed this board.
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>>6487607
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=mephist+
He used to sign his name as メフィスト
but now his handles are titled as "Mephist".
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>>6487572
>blasting you with vague advice
the "lmao study fundies retard" one?
yeah, that's a classic
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>>6487625
You are a fagot retard. You didnt bother to read what I said because if you did, you'd realize you're being the exact cancer I'm talking about. I dont give a shit if a lot of people tell people their art has problems thats the whole fucking reason why you come here in the first place. My problem is that retards like you think that flinging shit randomly is helpful constructive criticism. Tell me what good yelling at some beginner to stop drawing or calling him a retard for his artwork do.
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>>6487632
not >>6487625 but If you want advice then pyw and if you get a vague comment then ask them to clarify and explain things further, and if they continue to belittle you or go silent then you're most likely dealing with a nodraw and you just move on. Keep in mind this goes both ways and most of the time people on ic just ask questions without their work attached or just post work without saying anything that opens the floor to critique. You also have to do your part if you wish to get the help you need as well.

>>6487628
thanks, anon, I appreciate it.
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Does the anatomy/posture look right? (especially on the profile view)
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>>6487625
Kek. U have discord, youtube, instagram, twitter, reddit. A variety of places full and helpful information and artists and you come here. A place swarming with crabs and envious begs and expected to be treated like ur safe space. Here's a advice: Crying wont take the crabs away. Take what's useful and work with it. No one's gonna hold your hands here.
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>>6487668
it doesn't look bad, but it's quite stiff for obvious reasons
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>>6486416
yes brother trad chad like, you know it

>>6486417
thank you but no I have no idea how to approach that
maybe with the kakuno
maybe maybe

>>6486731
thank you for complimenting me I love fishing for compliments.

>>6486732
What do you mean when you say "need more work on the anatomy"?
What do you mean when you say "the shapes are completely off"? It's a girl, what's wrong with her shape? Can you redline my work to convey these ideas?
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>>6487668
it looks quite bad anon
Is this a character you're designing?
I would make her waist and legs thinner from the sideview.
I'm sorry I don't quite like this all that much.
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alright, since you'd rather be shitflinging instead of drawing, i'm out

btw, tracing does work. you just need to grow a brain to understand what your hand is doing instead of wasting your time arguing on forshawn
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>>6486732
can I see your loomis homeworkies brother?
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>>6487775
Who are you talking to?
You sound like you don't really know what you're talking about in all frankness.
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>>6487572
>>6487631
I met this guy named 'pills' a while ago, he doesn't really draw all that much but he indeed gets all snarky like that, in my head I just laugh at him really hard, because he has absolutely no idea what he's doing or where to go from here, but he convinced himself otherwise.
It's really funny when you think about it.
He's navigating in total darkness but is just so convinced of himself that he just acts like he knows what he's doing.
And he's also like all talk and no action. My friend today was also making fun of him.

'YOUNG SUNDAYS MF!'
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>>6487767
far shoulder was wider than the closer shoulder
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>>6487895
you made my picture ugly!! >:^(
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How is the anatomy/proportions here
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>>6488186
thinner legs please
overall it's pretty decent anatomy/proportions wise
the line quality is shit (I know you didn't ask about the line quality and it's probably a sketch)

summarized, yes, you're on the right track I feel like no big big flaws here good job
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>>6488186
there's a few things that bother me but i don't know enough anatomy to correct you. the biggest thing is probably the pelvis and the cut of the swimsuit/leotard. i can't tell where the thighs are starting and connecting to the pelvis. the belly button and rib hint also felt off but it might just be because i can't see where the pelvis is, the volume feels undetermined.
the belly button is important for feeling the centerline of the torso and how it interacts with the protrusion of the belly, twisting of the torso, etc, so i think it's best to place it after you have worked out those things.

i attached some figures from kaiman_garupan who does a lot of one-piece drawings. might also help to look at some swimsuit references.
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>>6488186
Even for 5 head to body proportions the pelvis is way too short and the crotch is too high.
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Tummy study
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>>6488308
Very gangster
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crit pls
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>>6488422
Looks fine just make the pupils smaller or change their design entirely.
The emotion doesn't sell enough but that's all really.
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>>6488426
thanks! yeah, I was really struggling with the pupils. I usually paint over them and change them up entirely when I color, so I never know what to do with them when I am sketching or doing lineart.
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>>6488432
maybe add a line for the tongue as well but honestly there's not much to comment it's a solid drawing I think.
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>>6487974
Bro look in the mirror and turn your torso like that. Her arms would be going into perspective because of foreshortening. The cheek and eyes were poorly plotted no real sense of structure
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>>6488422
GIVE BRUSH
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>>6488492
I don't like your drawover.
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I like drawing 70s/80s style anime art so I'm posting my WIP here
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>>6488711
good good
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>>6488563
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1740419 enjoy! I just love this set of brushes~
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>>6489163
thanks.

DID I BECAME JAPANESSEE??
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>>6489233
anon, I think you meant korean? Koreans are ironically better than japanese.
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but i don't want to draw k-pop idol style males all the time
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>>6489244
>>6489237
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trying different angles, am i japanesse yet?
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>>6489306
>am i japanesse yet
needs more desu
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>>6485395
Did you use this as a inspiration/guide? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kge-hkITSlA
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>>6489233
>>6489306
your lines are wobbly and shitty
using a different brush won't help
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Wip, any comment is welcome I need some extra motivation to finish this.
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>>6489306
It looks good but you need more confidence in your lines.
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>>6488711
Based and Retro Pilled.
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>>6489487
I think you can certainly improve the colors you're using there. The yellow is too yellow/boring, Bocchi isn't pink she appears orange here, and so consequently I think you could use a more interesting color for the shadows.
For the hands, they appear too masculine.
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Been studying Ataruman's style for quite some time now. Critiques are welcome.
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>>6489560
idk man, just keep going, looks gangster to me
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>>6489560
HOW
SPIT OUT THE SECRET OR ILL SHOOT THIS PUPPY
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>>6489487
feet look like they're planted on different surfaces
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>>6489591
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anything i could improve with this sketch/pose?>>6489560
your form shadows look softer than his but maybe that's intentional. looks nice overall
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>>6489715
just continue with it for now
looks good so far
I'd say try and take a look at the legs, maybe a bit too thin but you have to compare to hitori
very g keep it up
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>>6489233
>>6489306
more like seanigger trying to be east asian
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>>6489769
pyw mayo
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>>6489489
>>6489416
so if my lines are less shitty i can become a real japanesse drawgod!!!?
how are my asean jeens
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>>6490232
Use smoothing and learn line weight
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>>6490239
not for my doodles
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>>6490232
I would say a middle ground between malaysian and filipino
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>>6490257
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>>6484370
that cape has absolutely no shape, It serves zero purpose, you should delete it yourself NOW
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>>6490257
how do u determine art between east asian and se asian?
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>>6490232
You will never be hews hack. Give up pinoy.
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>>6490309
i don't know what that is, i will keep drwing tho
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>>6485395
Why is somebody larping as subuartworks while there's obviously better artist to larp as?
>>6489602
Nobodies laughing obsfgreen.
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>>6489233
I remember you did this and insisted to me the eyes should always be half the length of the face, even on an anime head.
How the table turns.
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>>6490347
im sure i would have said something like ''in most cases or 99% of cases''
also, did i just progressed
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>>6490354
what happens if i use a different angle
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>>6490352
>''in most cases or 99% of cases''
nah, you shit'd on me saying the skull would be too big even though I argued it was proportions for a anime head
now about the progress it's hard to say since I've never seen a finished work of yours but your doodles still look alike, so I could know that it was you who made that pic.
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>>6490352
Nta and i don't mean to crab you but, you have been stagnant in your level of drawing for a while, which I don't understand because you are more than good at making good finished works at least up to the lineart sketch because I don't think I have ever seen a painting of yours..., stop grinding so much I know you are a 2hufag, I want to see finished works of yours, you have appeal niggaaaa aaaaah don't waste it.
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>>6490379
ESL nigger
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>>6483517
Can anime figures be good reference for study anatomy?
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>>6490381
said the ESL
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>>6490381
>>6490392
Proud ESL here

Love my foreskin and my warm weather, simple as
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>>6490394
of course i'm a proud ESL too, only pathetic people who larp as english speaker say ESL to other people, it's like closet gays who make fun and tell other people that they are closet gays, it's basic human behavior.
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>>6490347
i tried again and desu it's not that off, so it still holds up imo, at least as a basic landmark
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Wish I was better at Black out shading
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>>6490481
Here's the ""template"" version if any of you want to show me how
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>>6489591
Practiced fundies from here and there then studied his alongside artists that have the similar process mainly from their streams or videos. Also drawing a dead puppy would be nice

>>6489715
Thanks, wasn't sure if the softer contrast in the shadows looked good so I've recently been trying to improve on that. Also having two monitors with different color correction has been a pain to manage since its harder to get accurate readings on my values when I'm looking at reference.

>>6490386
Depends on the figure. Based on my old studies (picrel), I learned more gestures and perspective with it than anatomy. I think you're still better off studying real figures but if you have anime figures with nice poses taking a few pictures of them and drawing them in different angles would be a good study session esp for perspective.
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>>6483517
Over half the mega links in recommended resources are dead
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>>6490506
this is really good anon

GMI
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>>6490386
RUBY I WANT TO FUCK HER
I THINK...!
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>>6490319
Hello it's me GREENgang
I am not larping as subu

idk don't throw these meme accusations at me
Wasn't me
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>>6490537
Oh, excuse me
I misunderstood

I mean, you're malding this is a you-problem
I'm sorry that I'm better than you in every aspect of life
I'm sorry that I'm a gangster
And that you're not
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so I've been copying -decently- for a while. should I work on perspective now simultaneously?
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>>6490635
yeah why not, try to start painting too
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Where can I find the Krenz perspective course? I have the translated notes on notion but I'm looking for the video
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Do I need to be super fussy if the proportions are a bit fucked when the image is flipped as long as it looks okay the right way around? Ideally i'd like to fix that but sometimes I just want to post something.
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>>6490506
Are you the legendary perspective anon? Now I wanna do erik olson
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>>6490850
No. I'm just a newfag that recently has the balls to post on this site.
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>Be /beg/
>Discover Koikatsu, think it will help me get better at learning form
>Posing and rotating is super helpful
>Have fun designing some fashions
>Can feel color coordination skill improving
>Discover Free H mode (uh oh)
>Designs get more and more degenerate
>Cranking it out night after night to my creations going down on me
>It's been 2 weeks
I have no self control, is there any other character creator program that doesn't feature sex, I think if I keep using KK I'm going to end up in a bad situation.
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>>6486870
jimi hendrix was great at the violin? did he even play the violin ????
how many amazing violinist you know off the top of your head from recent years? i highly doubt you know anything about modern music and where the talent is at...
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why does the left arm look so weird? first time drawing an arm so tips would be very useful
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>>6491047
copybros?
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>>6491047
maybe use reference to get a feel of the shape of arms?
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>>6491047
You're never going to learn how to draw form by continuing to copy from others, leave these threads and familiarize yourself with cylindrical forms and how to tilt them in space and while you are at it get acquainted with box and spherical forms too.
>But I want to draw anime
You won't be able to draw anything unless you learn about basic forms first.
>muh big tiddy anime girls do not look like boxes
You draw organic forms from the basic forms through proportion and how its form behaves in life through the pinch, pull, and twist.
>But what about anime forms?
Stop copying anime.
>Post your work
No.
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learning how to draw water
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>>6490908
UPTEMPO G'S DROP THE PLAYLIST!!

https://youtu.be/5GsbQcIQjkE?t=129
https://youtu.be/0HAPgfi-rwo?t=37
https://youtu.be/LGNvvYjaHKI?t=128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvqfvKaVDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGOENfhPII0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWG7Xe_wlhE
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any better?
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>>6491184
No.
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>>6491188
thanks
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>>6491184
she has a lazy eye
think of the forms of the arm and how it tapers also there is a lack of a crease in the elbow
you should be drawing this arm without the clothes in the way
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>>6491398
I respect it
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>>6487625
>...he said as he whined about /pol/ for the trillionth time
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>>6491398
good shit anon
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>>6490703
Bump for answer
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So, how does it look?
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>>6491669
good, looks fine
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What are the lines around the shadows/highlights? Halftone?
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>>6491665
I don't know brother

>>6491678
no, they're the lines for the shadows/highlights themselves.
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>>6491669
>Surprisingly, even professionals make mistakes here, so be careful!
https://twitter.com/datenaoto2012/status/1606081771346743297
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>>6490328
>>6491090
Anon please see pic related as I'm sure you'll be able to see it after looking. The placement of the limbs looks FUCKED, I'm a begfag myself but I've looked at enough to see something is off hugely, and it was pissing me off to see the the effort put in while also it being so fucked.

Maybe I've got shit eyes and if someone else cares they can put in a better construction, but in my picture ive moved the the size and angle of the legs, and shrunk the torso a bit as it was overwhelming. Theres other things fucked in the image too but this should be enough to make it look nice
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>>6491713
No, left is a perspective camera while the right is an orthographic camera.
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>>6491678
Terminator line
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>>6492143
>the imagination has the most soul

why is it so
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>>6491594
>>6491609
sank you
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>>6483517
>**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**
I'm doing this, and I can pretty much replicate most manga panels, save for the exceptionally extremely intricate ones. But I still suck at creating original characters.
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>>6491678

subsurface scattering
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How bad does the background clash with her really need feedback
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why exactly do the arms still look wrong? ignore everything else, I'm just focusing on the arms rn
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>>6492088
Ok now draw the same amout of bocchis but from imagination
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>>6492376
Is that a troonshark?
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>>6492438
a troonshark?
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>>6492438
i think they look cute
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Character is recognizable.
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>>6492143
heads looking flat needs more forms
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>>6492950
kinda cringe desu
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>>6492957
well cringe is the new based
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>>6492950
Anon, please tell me how to soul. Should I copy more settei more than sluts from onlyfans?
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>>6492376
try drawing the stick figure of her upper body skeleton (or better yet use boxes and cylinders)
her right shoulder looks misplaced
can also try to find or make a reference photo of a similar pose and draw over it to understand the elements of the pose, like positions of shoulders, angles of upper and lower arms, etc
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>>6492401
you get the one imagination bocchi in the middle with the fucked up arm but that's it
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>>6492271
I still can't copy faces accurately despite practicing for 2 years...
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>>6493248
What about working at making an original face? Does it feel more natural to you than trying to 1:1 another artist's face?
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>>6493297
I struggle with proportions when trying to draw heads from imagination, I tried loomis but for some reason when I use loomis the faces look off.
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>>6493300
I have a feeling the heads that I study from also aren't perfectly loomis'd either
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>>6493300
>>6493304
It might sound obvious but sometimes you need to work on something for long periods of time. Say 30-60min, then take a break, then go back to it and look at it, think about it, compare with the ref, flip it, etc, then go at it again, and so on and so forth.
An opposite advice that is as valid is also to do quicksketches of heads, say 5min per head, drawing small, and iterating quickly to get a better grasp on your bad habits and then think about how to fix them.

>I have a feeling the heads that I study from also aren't perfectly loomis'd either
That's because standard Loomis proportions are for 3DPD stuff. For anime you need to adjust certain proportions, like for the jawline notably unless you want your woman to look like a Marvel womyn.

Post your work, or make an attempt and post it if you want more concrete help.
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>>6493313
I drew some heads here, I can get the proportions correct slowly by feeling it out but I want to speed up this process so I don't spend an hour jiggling features every time I want to draw something.
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>>6493329
OK, select an artist/character whose face you like best, get as many refs/angles as you can. and fully trace construction on top of it. Keep the construction as clear and concise as possible. Then reproduce it on the side. Do a lot of those over the span of many days. (So what you did at the top, but more of it, and focusing on the same style/character.)

Basically from what I'm seeing you're not consistent with your construction method which makes the result feel inconsistent. You need to get that the wireframe will be unique based on the desired result, so if there's disaray between both processes you will never end up ingraining any positive and long-lasting habits.
Once you've ingrained an initial way of drawing then you'll have the leisure to iterate, but right now it doesn't look to be the case. I'll say it though, I expected worse. You just need to push yourself into a direction for some time to level up right now.

>I want to speed up this process so I don't spend an hour jiggling features
In the end even pro artists end up reshaping facial features up to the last moment when making a piece (you often see it in timelapses) though, especially since the face is the most important part of a drawing. That's because the abstract appeal of a drawing is more important than its apparent constructive correctness.
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>>6493378
I get that reshaping features is important to getting the feel right but I'm beginning from something that is completely off vs them just doing some slight adjustments. I'll try that practice method you suggested, thanks.
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>>6493329
not the anon you were replaying to, but speed will come with experience and the amount of complexity/detail won't come out of the nowhere along with it, you will have to study/practice these things even as a small as some are or otherwise you will guess and spend more time on them and more likely it will come out shitty.

from your pic what i can tell is that your understanding is really poor, and that's the reason why it takes you some much time wheny ou are trying to clean up things, you barely grasp the very basics, so it's harder when you try to define some things when you lack the knoledge and experience things that are needed to do it fast so theres no second guessings.

in my sketchs that are like 30 seconds when they are cleaned upa bit, they look kinda different, because i just need some basic shapes to get feel and i can fix some things as i draw.Now the 5 min sketch is something is harder beecause im trying to get close to the end result in 1 go and the clean up version is shorter because theres really not much to fix and the second clean up version took me 20min which is massive in comparison with the others and yet theres varely any improvements with the pre vius one, because i don't really now what to add, so more of the time is spend trying to figure out what works and since is new it takes more time, that's where you are, you are trying to figure out stuff that you aren't that familiar or not enough to do it fast


tdlr: you overstimate how complex is the head, you need grind way more.
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Which one looks better?
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>>6493684
right for me, left lines are too light to tell them apart so is hard to tell what they are forming
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>>6493684
Neither
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>>6487052
A good teacher hand picks his students to weed out the retards and lost causes. Something impossible when the course is free for every autist to see.
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>>6492088
Kys shit taste permabeg
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After watching some youtube videos and having another go at modifying my loomis method I tried some more heads. My process was to semi-copy the original ref by using my own construction and then applying the original's features on my constructed head, would this be a better way of studying over direct copying?
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Been scrolling through pixiv and other art sites and I'm overwhelmed by the number of artists there are all pushing content out, how does any single one ever get noticed out of the crowd? Is it really all just algorithms?
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>>6494023
No retard, people get noticed because their art is appealing to look at. Most of the artists could stand in an open street and people would be interested by their pictures
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>>6494031
I see many artbooks scanned on sadpanda and the subject is just generic girl on background looking cute or a heap of doujinshi with generic sex scenes, is this enough for people to be happy?
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>>6494023
Sorry you are experiencing a (You) problem that nobody cares about even the artist you happen to browse.
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>>6493906
what vids did you look at
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>>6483517
Why are eyes so different from manga to anime? Manga often has less detailed eyes.
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What's wrong with my art?
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>>6494033
yes, obviously. But you didnt need me to answer that as you realized that before you asked your original question

>>6494089
body looks fucked up, post the reference you're looking at
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>>6494095
Then how are you supposed to stand out in this industry. Is it really just good art + storytelling?
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>>6494095
No reference fampai
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>>6494097
good art is not needed, its unironically just story telling.

>>6494098
use one if your results are coming fucked up, it isnt that far off but the limbs are just wonky
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>>6494089
ayy lmao's
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does that stupid faggot suzuka still post
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>>6483517
Anyone got good inking tutorials for CSP?
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>>6495138
No it's basically all teenage girls
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>>6495163
what
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How do I make my lineart more interesting
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>>6495373
bigger breasts, thicker thighs, larger ass
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>>6495416
That's got nothing to do with lineart
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>>6495435
apply the advice first and I will guide you further
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>>6495373
Lineweight. Try to exaggerate it more than you think is needed.
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>>6495373
donty be afraid of using thicccccer lines
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>>6483517
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>>6495438
rightfully ignored
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>>6494089
idk man, quite a lot
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>>6493684
right, but neither of them are really all that good to be frank

>>6492292
you sir are fucking gay
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>>6495801
What about anatomy alone?
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>>6495908
What do you mean?
Either, you (OP), only think that the anatomy is off wrong or are you looking feedback for your anatomy?
What character are you trying to draw?
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>>6494089
>>6495908
it's mainly an uncritiqueable crumb
It's nothing because these drawings are at there mere inception.
I hope you didn't spend 4 hours on these 2.
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>>6495985
No, like thirty minutes.
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>>6496016
ok, it's alright for 30 minutes but what do you want from us?
it's a fucking crumb that's all I can say about it.
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>>6496064
I don't want to spend four hours to finish a bad drawing. Anyway, I installed CSP and this is much more useful for drawing, so maybe I'll post improvements.
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>>6496074
ye maybe
What were you using I wonder
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>>6495451
>>6495744
Should lineweight still be exaggerated if I am going to be rendering it later? I'm used to having thicker lines but lately I've been comparing my own pieces to the artists I'm studying and they have thinner lines so I tried to correct for it. I'm having trouble finding a balance between inking and rendering.
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>>6496168
depends of of your painting style
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>>6496193
Ok, I guess I just have to experiment a bit until I find a good balance.
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>>6495373
It looks like you're scared shitless when drawing, be more confident, you're abusing ctrlz, plus you're still chicken scratching it's minimal but it's there. And for the love of God zoom out nigga.
Grow some balls, use your whole arm and think of every line before you do it,every line has to have intent and purpose, draw with as little lines as possible, don't waste them. You can make the think brush work, but not YOU, yet. Experiment and challenge yourself use a more daring brush
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>>6489487
hey brocchi i think you have colour blindness that is not bocchis colour scheme at all
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>>6496340
I thought I had better confidence in lines than before but I guess that was a wrong assumption. I don't even understand how you can tell I was using ctrl-z liberally guess I'm ngmi
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>>6495786
she has an ayy lmao 5head going on, green
either you drew the mass of the hair too far or you made the top of the head too big even for anime standards.
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>>6496340
spill the ref anon.
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>>6496411
We all been through it anon
>>6496448
I drew it niggy!
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>>6496498
Ofc you did. post your ref.
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>>6496507
They're from imagination! ;(
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>>6495373
Not quite sure what you're going for, so I think I'll give up on trying to ""fix"" the problems. I think you should try using opacity in your lines and varying your shapes in the hair and costume. The other loli poster guy is a retard, you unironically have better lines than him so don't listen that idiot. Hopefully this can give you some ideas and if not, that's OK too.
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>>6496340
>>6495373
this is a duality post

how can the second anon even begin to critique the other guys lines when his lines are literally all the exact same weight?
I'd go so far as to say the guy didnt even bother to select a brush with weight applied
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>>6496576
Thanks, I've been focused a lot on getting the construction and proportions correct and haven't given much thought to appeal which your picture reminded me of.
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>>6492143
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>>6495373
feel the form, people can tell when you're feeling the form
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What are the best books and resources on drawing anime heads?
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>>6496589
It still looks better so shut the fuck up
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>>6496433
Hello big gangster
Thank you for your feedback
But Kubo-san is a big girl big head, I might've fucked up though.
Big respect to you, I didn't really get it super right.
And also my passion for graphic design shines bright like staring into the sun! But it's also a complete eyesore like staring straight into our closest star!
So yeah!!
That one might be for the streets!!
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>>6492271
Don't worry!
Drawing OCs is extremely gay anyway as absolutely no one is able to relate to your original character!
You can't beat the corpos bruv!!

So draw shit that other people created!!! No more cringe OCs!!
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quickie for i
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>>6496811
gangster
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>>6496770
>>6496340
this genuinely does not look better and you should not be giving slagging off the other anon for his line art.

>all same line weights
>foots are construction stumps
>huge hand in the middle is completely deformed along with the "separated" feet which are also just construction stumps
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>>6496576
nta but great work anon! got a blog? i remember you helping another anon with their bear girl drawing in /beg/
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>>6496828
Ah anon do me a solid and pyw
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>>6496828
No, his is clearly better
You can argue that it didn't answer the question about lineart at all or something but his work looks better homo



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