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Painters on suicide watch edition

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS wide using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
Read the sticky

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

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>>6489965
Based op image
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Draw this.
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>>6489969
if you sleep 3 hours less each night, you have 365 more days of less productivity a year
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>>6489965
Speaking of painting, I finally dipped my toes in watercolor today!
I made some mistakes but that's okay
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How do you brainwash yourself into "feeling the form"?
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>>6489969
Note: don't do this
Mind, body, and soul are one
Live a life that is healthy physically, mentally, and spiritually (be a good person)

If you harm one, everything else shall follow and deteriorating your health for skill would only result into death of skill
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>>6489969

This is the way to have super poor health.

Some warmups. Bottom is me explaining some thought process to a fren who asked.
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I'm still doing the absolute basics of learning to draw from the shoulder/elbow instead of the wrist and I'm really struggling to draw straight lines along this diagonal.
Presume I'm being retarded but I just can't get an arm movement that syncs up with this. Am I missing something obvious?
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>>6490000
Well, first of all: don't focus on the most useless parts of art, aka. the mechanics.

And for the dummies: each and everyone of us can draw pretty okay with our left hand, because drawing isn't just the mechanical output. The fundies are in the brain.
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>>6490000
Nice quads.
And here's the secret: don't. If you are a righty, your best line by far is going to be the bottom left to top right diagonal, with a few degrees variance. Abuse that, rotate your canvas and only ever draw lines in that direction.
It can be benefitial to train uncomfortable lines to widen your natural range, but you can always cheat with rotation, especially for final line art.
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>>6490000
just do it more
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>>6490000
Honestly, you can have excellent drawings even with a line quality like that.
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>>6489973
tomberries are cute, I need to replay ffViii
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>>6489973
Good job anon. Mistakes are meant to be made and learn from.

>>6489999
Good lines!
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>>6489973
SOUL
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>>6489999
Woah digits
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>>6489970
>enter beg thread
>post shit that's impossible to draw
What's the tactical advantage?
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>>6490045
NTA but drawing things beyond your skill level is good practice. Don't be afraid to make shit drawings, anon.
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>>6490000
Don't do this lmao.
Just draw actual images. Straight lines would come to you along with understanding of whatever you wanted to draw
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>>6489965
>>6489969
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>>6490004
>canvas rotater
Disgusting

>>6490000
Practice drawing that way for 5min everyday and you will see the improvement
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>>6490029

Was super anti-warmed. Here's some warmer lines.
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>>6490000
What Drawabox tells you to do is to rotate your paper. You can apply this to digital drawing by rotating your canvas.
If you really need a straight line, you can also just use the line tool, or apply this back to traditional art by using a ruler.
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>>6490096
>drawabox
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>>6490126
that's not a box
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I'm getting rekt by coloring / shading, and I need some guidance.
I tried the method apply flats > use layer option multiply / screen to add shades and light.
Is this the way? It feels weird, and finding your optimal shading is difficult because you always has to take the base color and fiddle with it a little, so you can't just use the color picker.

And then I use another method :
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>>6490151
There I did apply grayscale > apply color with the "color" layer option.
It was easier to do, but the colors looks even mode dumb.

And advice for this stuff?
Feel free to critique as well
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>>6489727
this may have improved a little
at least i hope so considering i've drawn this 3 times now
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>>6490151
Idk what software you are using but in clip studio paint you can change the setting of the color picker to make it pick the displayed color instead of the color on the layer, and that makes it ignore the colors on the layers themselves and just pick what is actually on screen.
you might try seeing if that is an option on whatever program you are drawing with.
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>>6490151
>you always has to take the base color and fiddle with it a little,
why not just shade with color color without multiplying. then
>>6490153
what was purpose of grayscale version(for shading purposes) if it have no shading
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play roblox church now!!!
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Doodling
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>What did he mean by this?
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/int/ users of /beg/ and /int/ make me feel like the biggest shitter on the planet.
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>>6490415

shitter in what sense?
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Hi beg. The book had 5 pages on how to draw square. Also this is first art book which outright said using single confident line is the best and anything else is worse. it also heavily implores using shoulder while drawing. I though about trying it but then i realized i would need to keep my tablet at angle and basically totally change everything about how i draw. So i postponed that. Shoulder makes sense for MASSIVE canvas size (A2), not for A4 tablet. Also this is first art book which starts with you drawing 100 circles instead of contour exercises. Its interesting how fucking different approaches there are for BEGs.

>>6490045
if you tried to draw that pic then you failed. You didnt draw what you see, you drew what you think hands look like. i suggest an experiment for you anon: put the ref upside down and try again. Dont think, just locate easy to spot edges and draw them. This is called contour exercise and it helps A LOT to cure symbol drawing. Dont laugh it off until you try it.
>>6490000
my current art book just tells you that its foolish to expect perfection on day one. Author says he is drawing for 30 years and he still practices these as warmup every day. So like draw hundred of them and then move on to actual drawing / exercises.
>>6489974
i started feeling the form during massive gesture grind by accident while doing the nicolaides book. I believe it comes with enough drawing on its own.
>>6489973
very cute
>>6490415
i am more of an inspiration guy myself but i understand that feeling too well anon. we have to preserve!
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>>6490417
/bad/ at drawing, obviously.
>>6490419
Yeah it's both a pain and a motivation. Cute bird btw.
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>>6490421
how about every other artist on this site or universe. ints are not great for most part. And evrione was where you are. skill aspect is overrated anyway
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What is causing me so much trouble when I try to visualize where the viewer would be seeing the picture from and also drawing body parts that face the nearest point towards it?

Every picture falls apart specifically in that area and I want to overcome it.
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drawing for fun so I don't lose motivation
I will do studies again, I promise !! I know I need to
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always wanted to try to draw roughly or painterly but always ended up smoothing everything
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another day another bad figure drawing
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>>6490467
damn i already see so many issues i really gotta tkae more steps back while im drawing and look at it as a whole
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crit?
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considering this is the first time i've ever drawn on a tablet on top of being the first time i've colored a drawing since 4th grade, i'm pretty happy with this, now tell me how to improve
i feel like i need adderall to keep track of myself when using software
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NNYHD
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>>6490486
… what is this for?
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>>6490486
I can feel the ghost notes on my masculine uterus.
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>>6490456
This is a particularly egregious example of me failing to grasp this. The cross is where I feel like the viewing point is.

A complete inability to understand depth and where things should generally be in space has bottlenecked me from ever improving.

Any tips, book/video course recommendations on how to overcome this would be more than appreciated because I'm at the end of my wits.
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>>6490541
Maybe I do not understand something but she stand in front of us, what this cross supposed to mean?
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>>6490553
The direction and eye level the character is being seen from/
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>>6489970
I need to draw more hands.
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>>6490558
I do not belive it's true. Do you have a camera? make a photo - where vewer looking from?
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>recently found out that "the devil" is real and a collective consciousness with a proxy that LARPs as "god" and plays with numbers to give us messages through "RNG"
wonder how this will affect my art in the future
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>>6490587
In that case where is the point on the character that is closest to the viewer? Where would you put the cross and what is the process you use to determine it?
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>>6490590
>where is the point on the character that is closest to the viewer?
You must be just doing something I dont understand and confuse you for no reason. Or you do not understand what are you doing.
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>>6490541
>>6490590
"where the viewing point is" is the point of a cube in 3pp, how the fuck do you expect to draw things aligned to that perspective if you totally ignore perspective?
you don't have a scene, you don't have a horizon, you don't have vanishing points, you don't have a 3pp cube or perspective grid to put your shit in and you just hope that you can mind crush the paper until it comes out right?
you're doing all this other obnoxious overachiever construction bullshit with the figur but you've failed at step one of any drawing that isn't some stupid gesture doodle, which putting the figure in a box
you should have been able to figure this out
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Some stuff I've been chipping away at
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>>6490602
I like Asuka one, others are too bad
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>>6490598
I can see it but at the same time the top of the chest/shoulders are visible so shouldn't it be higher?

>>6490599
I've absolutely missed the basics, I spend all day drawing figures and never make a single image out of it because it's all broken from the foundation and I'm just sat in a loop trying to correct it until it's inevitably ruined beyond saving.

I've tried and failed to learn by myself so I've given up and come here for help, I've read perspective books and watched videos on it but it's always for buildings and cubes and never goes into detail or accounts for the rotation of different body parts.

I'll try to construct vanishing points but in the end I get bound by them and try to make every part of the body a box that's aligned to that vanishing point which isn't right. It just becomes symmetrical box people
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>>6490608
then don't concern yourself with complex projects like drawing rigidly constructed figures at difficult angles in perspective, yes? a task that will always be difficult and time consuming even for experienced artists that actually are able to understand and apply the information contained in all those books you've been reading, yes?
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>>6490608
I imagine it as pretty much ortographic view with lille to no distortions. but maybe my thinking is wrong
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>>6490628
Yes...

>>6490634
This is incredibly helpful, it's a bit strange and embarrassing to say that I draw without actually understanding where the "camera" view of the picture. I have a lot of trouble with overlapping forms and perspective because of it.

All I really go on is "am I seeing this from above or below? Can I see the top or underside?" of each part that I draw without being able to get a grasp of the overall angles of the entire body.

Thank you for the reassurance, I'll keep reading perspective books until I fully get it.
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I kind of get what my issue with your crosses - l imagine camera frame and model move and rotates inside of it. not crosses jumping around. I guess this how it look for you -yea, now I see it, kind of makes some sence
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>>6490651
Yeah, my process of thinking is if you're seeing the character in this picture because you can see the top of their head/shoulders and the side then you must be seeing it from somewhere around here? So it was hard to understand when the closest point was placed on the chest because surely it must be the head was what I assume.
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>>6490602

keep studying loomis because you clearly don't understand it.
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>>6490467
First things I see are :
You need to learn some basic anatomy rules, mostly the skeleton to see how the shoulders attach or how the pelvis works/can be simplified.
You need to treat things like forms. The breasts are drawn completely two-dimensionally, for example. Try to simplify the torso as a deformed box or cylinder, and attach two sagging half-spheres to it.
But my priority in your case would be to focus on anatomical proportions. Locate where the shoulders and ribcage are and how it orients your drawing, and try to use some measurements with heads.
Keep going anon !
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how fugly having hard time judging ty (*u*)//
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>>6490414
Hey that's pretty cool.
So, if I understand correctly "multiplied single color" was just using a single color on a multiply layer?

How did you proceeded with the others? The "no mix" one seems great but it's a tad small.

>>6490291
I have clip studio, I'll look into that, thanks, I didn't knew it was a thing.

>>6490322
I just started shading, and multiply gives me a "guide" on how I can shade a color, but maybe you're right.
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Go hard on me
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>>6490690
Her left arm looks kid of awkward, but it's not a bad start anon.
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>>6490690
Her head (or body) is turned in a way that seems off compared to what she is looking at.
Feels like she should be turning her body towards what she is looking at rather than 120 degrees from it
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>>6490659
>Needs more Loomis with a few more words
Elaborate or you're crabbing.
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>>6490713

here
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>>6489999
>>6490067
Hot.
I can see the bridgeman influence yeah
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>>6490690
Sort out your mental illnesses
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Quick gestures with a fountain pen
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>>6490725
I can feel how many hours of practice went into drawing ass. Good job anon.
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>>6490734
U know it
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>>6490714
NTA, but it's a beg thread, unless you elaborate, beginners are not going to understand, what the fuck are you even trying to say, so your post ends up being a worthless fart for yourself to smell, so stop being a giant faggot and redline/say something of substance.
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>>6490484
eye placement is wonky
her left leg (stage right) doesn't connect to her body properly
mostly shit rendering
fucked up foot
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>>6490738
got too many of these cunts these days, they all want to be part of some epic screencapped reply chain
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>>6490673
>>6490673
>d single color" was just using a single color on a multiply layer?
pretty much , it is colorized by "hsv" sliders grayscale/bw
>>How did you proceeded with the o
Multiplied colors is kind of what you did. "No mix" is normal mode overpaint, single layer like.
all have some "levels" or "curves" contrast/brightness adjustment on top of the mix.
Because amount of effort/success is variable it do not show anything meaningful
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Any coomers in thread that could estimate her cup size
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>>6490773
I estimate that mag size as unusually tiny
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>>6490773
H

how come you chose to make the outline of her boobs much thicker then the rest of the drawing?
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>>6490767
I see, thank you very much, I will try to do like you
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>>6490738

I don't know man as a /beg/ myself I can see it. The construction is way smaller than her head. WTF is he constructing? It looks like he's drew the construction and then drew an anime head on top.

2 different drawings. lmao.
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>>6490800
Anon, it's just a sketch, literally nobody gives a fuck if he decides to change things up in final result. As far as I understand, he is not practicing construction in particular. Critique should be about the final result. And I honestly don't see anything terribly wrong with it. Well, mouth looks like it's not centered and rather on the side of her face, but in anime stylization shit much much worse gets a pass, which is why I think /beg/ shouldn't practice drawing anime.
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>>6490813
>As far as I understand, he is not practicing construction in particular
Okay, nevermind that, I got hyperfocused on the drawing at the top.
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>>6490774
Its a 10 rder
>>6490775
Idk its a sketch
I also drew this one, I think her tits are bigger in this one, I think i prefer the size of >>6490773
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>>6489969
This is retarded. You can only work productively and efficiently if you have a healthy body. Consistent work is much more rewarding than grinding but without any motivation.
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>>6490828
It's not looking right to me.
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>>6489965
My humble anatomy grind for the day, these look like shit but took me hours studying to do
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>>6490813

>Anon, it's just a sketch
>literally nobody gives a fuck
>he is not practicing construction in particular.
>Critique should be about the final result
>don't see anything terribly wrong with it

yikes... a rare perma /beg/ pops up. I don't think it's possible to be defensive of your shit at this level.
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>>6490913
you've still not offered any actually useful feedback to the original poster, you're just trying to have an epic master troll reply chain
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>>6489965
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>>6490902
Lookin' great! Don't forget to apply what you learned. Keep up the good work, anon

>>6490828
Two things to immediately improve your work:
1) Lineweight & quality. While you don't chicken scratch, the hair looks very feathery and you go over lines where you don't have to. You have line variation, but it's inconsistent. Some tips to apply lineweight: Use heavier outlines than lines for details, this especially applies to hard surface objects (like her rifle). Make the bottom of the lines thicker than the areas facing the light source.
2) Gesture. Even a static pose facing the observer can benefit from a slightly tilted shoulder and pelvis. Mind the movement of the clavicles and chest area according to her arm movement. Exaggerate the movement, make her left arm go even higher, etc.

Nitpick: She has 6 fingers on her right hand.

>>6490773
Hair would look better with a solid color, btw. Applying texture is fine, but seeing the white of the backdrop shine through just looks messy

>>6490725
>>6490735
Solid work, you have a good eye for form and weight. Pretty sure I remember those poses.
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Just finished this recently. Any thoughts?
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>>6490920
Thanks c:
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>>6490925
It's solid. My main complain would be the grainy background, as well as you overall color choices - the color scheme is all over the place. Lineart's clean and free of tangents (mostly). Personally I think the lines are just a smidge too thick, but that's personal preference; Seems like you're trying to evoke a 2000s era cartoon vibe, for that they're fitting. It could benefit from some colored lines to indicate softness, but again that's more a personal preference (for example the see-through fabric). Not a fan of the soft airbrush shading, it looks cheap, especially with that grainy backdrop. You're bold in your lineart, be bold in your cel shading.

Nitpick: I think the jawline is redundant for this style. You chose to be cartoony, embrace the perks of it. Suggesting the jawline through the outlines is enough.
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>>6490925
Now that >>6490935 says it, the jawline looks kind of off in terms of style. But it emulates a certain style really well.
I hope you'll put a better background there eventually.
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>>6490925
I don't like it. The mouth is by far the biggest sinner.
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Is fun with a pencil a beginner trap or not?
I'm not drawing for fun at the moment so I figured I might try it out.
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>>6491028
Just read it and get an opinion of your own.
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These are copies, but I'm still a bit glad I rely less and less on move/resize/erazer tools.
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>>6491037
Nice Bridgman studies anon.
I recommend ditching the eraser (or equivalent) entirely, especially for practice. Ever since I've been doing hundreds of Nicolaides exercises, I've understood how futile erasing is.
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>>6491046
you've improved to the point where you erase less, that's not going to help someone that does not have line control; just because you can draw without erasing now doesn't mean you could have started out that way before doing those hundreds of exercises
>>6491037
erasing is inevitable but resizing/moving, i think, completely defeats the purpose of any drawing exercise, i recommend you stop doing that immediately, unless it's an actual illustration whose purpose is to actually look good/finished and be displayed; if you need to distort your copy to have it work as a copy, you've fucked up and you have to start over, simple as
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hats are hard
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>>6490419
what if we kissed on the drawing horse?
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>>6491054
they're sitting awfully high on the head. some go as low as behind the ear
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>>6491053
Anon, I didn't stop erasing because I got good. I stopped erasing because I realized it was pointless to erase when you're practicing. That's completely different.
Not erasing teaches you that you can actually fix mistakes, and removes a lot of the fear I had of drawing.
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>>6490913
>ignored my self correction
>didn't provide any argument against what I said
>ignored the part of my post where I critique that anon's drawing
>assumed I am the same anon, despite me stating I don't even draw anime
>still no useful critique whatsoever in /beg/ thread, only arrogant mental masturbation
Are following a guide on how to be the most colossal faggot possible or are you just trolling for the sake of screencapping le epic threadshot? In this case consider your bait successful.
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>>6489965
This is the banner for my twitter. None follows me but two. Well I started yesterday. I have learned most since 2022. I was not serious before that. I'm 36.
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>>6491106
Based
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>>6491110
Thanks bud. Any tips on growing audience? I have seen people with very little skill having upwards of 10k followers on IG and Twitter and I get no attention at all. I just want to understand the mechanics.
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>>6491122
Find other artists in your genre and interact with them, leaving natural comments without just commenting for the sake of visibility which will leave breadcrumbs for their audience to see you and if you're lucky a big artist will retweet something of yours and it'll snowball from there.

You can also in the meantime find other hosting sites that let you leave sources back to your twitter to cast a wider net.

It does help to have an understandable "theme" to your account so people can quickly understand what you're about but it isn't mandatory also do NOT vent on your account, depressed artists that do nothing but complain or cry over their follower/like counts always repel people despite how good they are.
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Anyone here has chiari malformation?
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I can't understand colors folks. I simply can't. I watched so many tutorials on colors by Marc Bruneti and other people. But I can't understand how to shadows cool without looking like a mud.
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>>6491065
shit
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>>6491179
Leave more defined and sharper transitions between shades so you can see the shapes. Airbrush and blending can look good but unless you're pushing the colours and values harder it'll always look like a muddy gradient because there is too much overlap between your tone, shadow and highlight colours.
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>>6491179
Do value studies in greyscale with limited number of values and don't use blending modes, etc. Watch some Marco Bucci videos.
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thoughts on this compo?
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>>6491251
Feels a little long and thin, could do with sizing up the dragon and bringing everything a bit closer.
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>>6491173
that's excellent advice brother! thanks!
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>>6491300
A more minor thing, limit how much non art related stuff you post. I've unfollowed so many artists because they would just destroy my timeline with the most inane stuff.
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first thing i ever drew on a drawing tablet. shading looks shit ngl but still a bit proud
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Can I ask you guys to draw a quick sketch of dude doing a karate punch in a front view with the fist directly in front of the camera? I feel it's the kind of angle that will look dumb no matter what.
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Thoughts? Hair is the most lacking part imo.
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>>6491346
Very early /beg/, legs are wonky but i think this can give you a rough idea of how it looks
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>>6491122
presentation + appeal + consistency > artistic skill

also twitter is biased. i bet those 10k accounts have either been around for a long time or they draw porn, fanart or cute pin-ups.
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>>6491173
if you comment you better have a cute / cool pfp that kinda showcases your art, so people who are interested enough to check out your page actually find what they're looking for. make sure to have a timeline that showcases quality art + retweets. consistency isn't only about uploading regularly, but also having a clear artistic direction. people are more likely to follow a good looking page - that starts with the banner and ends with the content you post. avoid cluttering your media tab with reaction images and food pictures, make your art as accessible as possible.

also follow and befriend artists with a similar style or subject matter. draw fanart of things you're actually into. work on projects. be genuine. be inventive. do something interesting.
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>>6491420
Not bad actually lol
>>6491472
Thanks

Here's my own attempt
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Any advice on picking skin shadow colors? I usually pick two reds one for cast shadows and the other for surfaces curving away from the light. Most of the time they seem too saturated but if I lower the saturation it starts to look murky/too gray.
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>>6491520
Read op image
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just a rough sketch so far but I could do with advice
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Trying to really practice 3d forms in perspective using only my imagination. How'd I do?
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More fountain pen stuff
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>>6491547
stunning
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>>6491547
How long have you been drawing?
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>>6489970
Hard as fuck reference. May have to give this one a redraw, I had poor planning
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>>6491547
Is it a style decision not to fully wrap your hatching to the form?

Personally I think it works well near the arms where the eye sin't supposed to look as much but sticks out on the boobs, specifically on her right, makes it look a bit flat, also I really think you missed the chance to really pull that form out with the lower abdomen along with her left side.

If this is a quick gesture drawing than good nvm
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>>6491579
Started getting serious last january
>>6491549
Thank you!
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>>6491106
What's your twitter anon? I really dig that knight on the right
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Another drawing. Not very happy with how early mistakes dictated how it came out. Specifically how the eyes were uneven on the reference, but I drew them uneven in an incorrect way.
As far as the subject matter, imagine if Janice from Dr. Teeth's band was an ethnic lawyer in the ghetto. This is a real person and despite my ineptitude, this isn't too far off from how she looks. If you recognize her, toss me a (you.)
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>>6491598
Yeah I haven't really studied hatching yet, this was just a gesture study but I'll keep that in mind when I learn more about hatching
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>>6491542
the x is the middle of the character in perspective. depending on your portions the middle of a character is usually at crotch level
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Goddamn Vilppu's videos are so insanely comfy. I don't even want to learn, I just want to listen to his sweet comforting voice.
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>>6491748
gmi
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>>6491748
Ordering the Vilppu Drawing Manual today, can't wait to study him.
Though, I should ask, is that actually a good book for a beginner who wants to do figure drawing?
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How do you get through the discouraging fact that when you start out, your drawings are all embarrassingly awful?
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>>6491751
>is that actually a good book for a beginner who wants to do figure drawing?
Yes, it's very good, but cycle through the weeks quickly. 1 chapter / lesson per week. Once you finish the book, go back to gesture, and you will understand it so much better. Accept that you will have questions about things and just move on, you'll understand later. Also, study anatomy on the side and make imaginative work (comics, animations, etc.) because that will help the material sink in more.
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>>6491753
>study anatomy on the side
Do you recommend any particular source for learning that? I kinda figured the book would talk about anatomy
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how2draw subtle foreshortening? whenever i try like pic rel, it just looks flat and stumpy
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>>6491752
>when you start out, your drawings are all embarrassingly awful
I belive it always will be kind of that way most likely. And I not mean in crab you suck way, but it's just how it usually works.
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Hello beg. Birds. Today i experimented and made my pencil brushes to adjust color hue, saturation and lightness according to pressure. I did this because i was inspecting why tradfags who use colored pencils have WAY better results than when i just picked color for my pencil brush. Turns out the tradchads tools produce different color tones on the paper texture. So now i have to find a way how to imitate it.

>>6491752
the same way as with literally any other activity ever: you either man up and do it or you give up and become loser. Its like people who go to gym on january, cant do a single pushup and then they give up. Weak motivation or overblown expectations. Just draw.
>>6491748
be very careful with the videos anon! many anons spend hours watching courses and like 5 minutes drawing and then they say they arent improving.
>>6491625
damn that is VERY beg. have you completed keys to drawing? If not i suggest you to do that.
>>6491590
comfy, soulful palette. I like it
>>6491520
did you trace this? Why does it looks so lifeless and stiff?
>>6491348
solid. the beard would look better if you did it with thinner sharper line. Also the beard should reach beyond the face contour to give it more 3D shape
>>6491328
nice one for first plunge into digital realm!
>>6491106
bro you didnt even post your handle here! You must shill the stuff. Everywhere. Look at my lmao doodle study and i have social handle there. Anyway on websites like twitter you have to actively follow random accounts, sprinkle likes, replies and get that ball rolling. Also on /ic we have social share threads. I simply followed everyone on there and like 10% of them followed back. Try that.
>>6491057
that would be extremely artistic
>>6491037
cute
>>6491028
if you are beg then yes. You need perspective, observation and some 3d spatial imagination for loomis. Its book for higher begs or ints
>>6490522
The drawing itself is very beg but the stuff you drew is based. I approve
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>>6491764
eccentricity is the property you are trying to work out, draw some cylinders and draw some bands and you will get there, your bands are too straight.
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>>6491790
those bands were shitty line "shading" i skribbled out of frustration, though even with actual bands, I think my dumb brain can't comprehend it. feelsbadmang
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>>6491721
idk it seems super elongated personally but for all I know that might be the correct placement.

two things

1. how do you figure that out

2. I'f I didn't like the way it's "suppose" to look and I thought the perspective I had was the look I wanted can't I just go with that. As long as it looks believable enough?
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>>6491806
get it together
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I get it :)
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>>6491797
try to draw it as cubes first, check out luca cambiaso.
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first drawing in a week. still practicing faces. i feel like i’m getting really close??? my proportions and placements are solid but I CANT DRAW NOSES TO SAVE MY LIFE :(
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>>6491625
as someone also drawing faces either look into loomis or just study general face proportion rules.
stuff like
>distance from chin to mouth is same as distance from nose tip to mouth is same as distance from nose tip to eyes
>eyes usually have roughly the width of one eye between them

stuff like that
also you might want to sketch lightly a bunch of faces before committing to rendering it out but it’s not terrible to complete something like that. proud of u
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>>6491843
not every contour should be drawn, which lips are you more happy with top or bottom? why? apply the same for the nose.
Draw bigger you are not trying to save trees.
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>>6491854
are you the guy that suggested not drawing every shape? i did that with these lips bc of you and i like them. struggling to hit that point with front on noses tho

also what difference does large vs small make? besides like usage of shoulder for the drawing? didn’t mean to go this small just picked a size and went at it
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>>6491862
I don't know I post too much bs on here to remember... probably try drawing 3d shapes and eraser lines to get a feel on how to convey the idea of volume with the min number of lines (this tickles people interest not everything is spellout).

>also what difference does large vs small make?
more real state for details the more too many details on little space look awful, if you want to erase its easier, you can focus on shapes easily, etc
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>>6491871
forgot the image
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How long does it take for you guys to finish a full drawing? For example something like pic related(I didn't draw it). I genuinely feel like my biggest issue is drawing too quicky.
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how that is finished full drawing.
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>>6491799
draw a rectangle of any size. draw a line from the top left corner to the bottom right corner and a line from the bottom left corner to the top right corner. wherever the lines meet is the middle of that box
widen the bottom of the box to reduce the amount of perspective distortion. read the first couple chapters of scott robertson's how to draw. he covers all of this. read the whole book imo
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>>6491547
Decided to do a full body study of it
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What did you decided?
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So where I did fucked up?
I seek constructive critic
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>>6491921
>So where I did fucked up?
symbol drawing.
learn do draw what you see, after so time and learning you can start to draw what you know (new and better symbols).
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>>6491923
So, no loomis head?
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>>6491927
Loomis is good, thats part of the "learning" path.
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Squish it a bit
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>>6491937
now she look more like her
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>>6491935
So, yes, I read keys of drawing, there is an excercise of drawing your shoes, and is pretty fun desu, so, what I'm understanding is, do the exact thing like that excersice meinwhile I drew faces.
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>>6491868
Blog?
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>>6491921
I am sorry, there is no critique to give beyond "everything is wrong".
Anon, I have just 2 things to say to you.
1) Pick any book from the list and read it thoroughly, doing all exercises and really pay attention to what the author tells you
>Keys to Drawing
>Drawing for the Absolute and Utter Beginner
>Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (but ignore all the outdated science rambling)
2) Learn to be patient and spend more time on drawing. A portrait drawing can get hours even for professional. What you posted looks like it took you 15 minutes at most.

Once you read at least one book, take at least 2 hours to really pay attention to details and redraw your pic. Your work will be miles ahead of what you posted.
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>>6490671
extremely, redo
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>>6491953
to be honest it took me like 2 hours, lol.

So I'll update new drawings until I finished keys of drawing, it feel like those aeroplane missions of gta san andreas, lol.

>learn to be patient and speend more time in drawing, ok that would be dificult but i'll try my best.

So, I think would be a long way to come to get one of those art styles.
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>>6491848
I hear ya, but I was drawing from an odd angle.
Anyway, here's the photo. The billboard I was using is cropped slightly larger, but it's this photo. She really does look like that.
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I looks like two faces photoslapped
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>>6491348
A...nigger?
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That pose looks incredibly stiff, but I don't know why. Did I fucked up the walk cycle? The perspective?
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>>6490403
is he pulling an arrow out of his POUCH or did he just get done shooting one
because I can't fucking tell what that hand is suppposed to be doing on the left there
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>>6492184
Kek bltb
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>>6492161
If you remove the left leg its just a standing figure thats way it feels stiff. check some examples from eadweard muybridge human figure in motion, the body stretches, twists and wedges; even when your end result is a single picture you should be conscious of the motion of the body the drag and follow-through will give you lifeness.
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>>6492161
There's just a handful of little errors.
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>>6491882
>finish a full drawing
no such thing exists
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will drawabox literally teach me how to draw a box? tried to study gesture and the rotation of the waist in demonstrations makes me feel pic related. furthermore, my attempts to freehand boxes all turn out wrong. i know what perspective *is* but can’t apply it correctly to actual drawing
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>>6492188
What's your suggestion, then?

>>6492184
>>6492255
Thanks for the feedbacks, I'll look into these
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so when drawing a box in two-point perspective, how does changing the distance between the two vanishing points affect it?
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>>6492436
you can draw it and come with your own conclusions
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Is there a single example of people actually learning to become disciplined? I know there are late bloomers who became good at art later in life, but they must've already been strong willed and capable of dedicating their full attention to a craft, right? They simply hadn't gotten into art yet. It feels like an impossible fight.
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>>6491882
I can't work on the same thing for more than 5 minutes.
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>>6491808
Nice
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I was just talking it out with my therapist, and I think that the sticky needs an edit to explain 'just draw'ing to people that are literally JUST starting out;

You DON'T have to minmax. /ic/ is a board on 4chan, and 4chan is populated with nerds and gamers who love to be as efficient and as successful as possible in the shortest amount of time, and that's NOT something that someone just starting out on art, is going to be motivated to do.

I'd say, if you've got the gumption to draw, then 'JUST DRAW'ing should be your first priority; as in, making it a habit. That means, don't read the books, don't worry about it not looking good, just fucking draw. For one month. Two hours every day, like FZD said. And save everything you draw, because you're gonna then go back and figure out what didn't work on that art. That way, when you open up Keys to Drawing and the Sticky and Loomis or what have you, you have tangible problems to iron out and experts who can tell you what those problems are and how to correct for them.

One month of just doing whatever the hell you want, won't cripple your progress in the years to come, otherwise the 25 years you haven't been going on here would have already made you all NGMI.

So just draw, two hours, every day, and it does NOT. MATTER. WHAT. Fuck the crab-bucketers, it doesn't matter.
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>>6492534
this is very bad advice
when you're an absolute /beg/ "just drawing" will make you depressed
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>>6491945
None
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Fugg this paper doesn't handle watercolor as good as I thought (it peels)
But pencils and markers are top notch (shame markers are so fucking expensive)
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>>6492544
It will make you depressed IF you let it make you depressed. No shit the art's shit, you're just starting out. Conquering that ngmi feeling and transforming it into an appetite to improve, is done by building the drive to draw. Get the graphite to the paper, just integrating that act, even if you draw one fucking line, is time you're taking to draw and learning to take time to draw.

I say this because a lot of people feel stuck, probably because they want to draw WELL, not just draw, but you gotta just draw. Obviously, if you already have that, you are ready for the next step, but a lot of /beg/ seems to get this funk of 'I can't draw at all!'. Obviously they can, but they need to get that habit in there.
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>>6492599
sovl
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Schizo doodles cause I don't know how to draw or finish stuff
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I’m having a lot of trouble with feeling out hair, especially the long, flowy, messy kind. For pic related, I was going for the hex maniac hair, but even the bangs don’t really feel full of volume to me. Does anyone have tips on hair like this or maybe recommendations for other hairstyles to help practice getting a feel for it? Also, how’s this head/face? Something feels off about the balance to me.
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>>6492604
just watch tim pychyl and read an actual drawing book instead of acting like putting pencil to paper is some huge accomplishment
"just draw"ing is how people end up thinking that they can't draw
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>>6492599
I like that little creature, it reminds me of some of those baby digimon.
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>>6492660
Do a messy sketch then sort of each strand starting with the front

I need critique on the hair
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>>6492599
are markers really worth it, given how lightfast they are?
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>>6492745
> given how lightfast they are?
wdym
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>>6492671
>acting like putting pencil to paper is some huge accomplishment
It is, for a lot of people, and it's okay that it is. Of course there's bigger grander steps to take later, but setting your own pace is important too. Stagnation is bad, of course, that's why I said only one month. That's a good chunk of time to learn a new fun habit, and it's worth celebrating getting the energy to do that, especially if you haven't had it before.

If you don't need it, you don't need it. Eventually you won't need /beg/ either, but that doesn't make the work you build from here suddenly worthless or beneath acknowledging. If you're just starting out, take a month to learn to draw every day and have fun with it. You can let yourself improve when your habits are set, and they're set when you feel they are. You don't have to be ready by a specific time in your life, (well maybe you do to be a prodigy, but if you were you would've likely grown up never knowing /ic/ exists.)

We're all running our own pace, but we're all doing art, and that's good. Drawing art, even drawing shit art, is better than just leaving all those ideas to rot in your head.
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>>6492269
yes. the biggest thing it teaches besides box drawing is how to wrangle perspective in your mind. you may understand perspective but you haven’t trained your brain to imagine perspective applied to objects and translate that to paper
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>>6491808
very nice
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>>6492544
maybe if you’re a fucking retard and qualify how you spend your free time based on comparing yourself to those who are more skilled

it’s a fucking hobby. for fun.
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>>6492808
I think you’re both right on this issue to improv you need to just start and try but for it to be enjoyable there are specific things to learn so you don’t blindly draw shit and get frustrated
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"Match the tones" exercise from Keys to Drawing. Which is essentially just "copy the drawing".
I'll post the reference next. I made her face too wide, nose too long and there is definitely something wrong with lower face proportions. But I admit I somewhat like the result, given that just a month ago I was on the same level as literal 7 years olds.
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>>6491348
Your move, anon
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>>6492888
And the reference. Drawing from a shitty scan didn't help lmao.
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>>6492893
>starting middle
ngmi
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In the end, drawing is about love. Learning how to draw is learning how to love.
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>>6492908
Uwu
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As an almost absolute beginner, what should I start with: The Vilppu Drawing Manual or Keys to Drawing?
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>>6492900
I'm a radical centrist
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I'm about to go to sleep. I usually can't draw for more than 5 minutes. Tomorrow I'd like to draw for at least 2 hours. Is that unrealistic? Can I do it even if I'm not used to it. I'd like to form a drawing habit and eventually draw a lot more.
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>>6492932
I either doesn’t draw for a month or do 48h non stop every person is different for me starting is difficult but once it’s done I can’t stop you seem to have the opposite problem
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>>6492929
It depends on how you learn really. I think Keys to Drawing is easier to get into personally. I remember watching vlippu and he would make it look so easy, but when I tried it myself I got lost.
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>>6492942
I learn best with, I suppose, hands on practice. Taking a concept, watching someone else do it, and repeating it until I get it right and engrained into me is usually how it goes. I would rather learn figure drawing, but I'm not sure if Keys to Drawing would be more important since it teaches basic concepts.
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just doodling before bed
thank god its weekend. gonna draw a lot
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>>6491348
Looks like Jack Nicholson with a tiny bit of Steve Buscemi mixed in.
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>>6489971

its always people who can sleep 4 hours giving this advice
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>>6489977

only physical and mental health towards your own goals ignore the spiritual good person faggot shit. It solves nothing and leads to nowhere.
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>>6492993
Like it or not, good conscience leads to higher self esteem and good health, which betters your body and mind as well.

It's not just connected, they are all one in the same
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i wish all my friends of /beg/ the best of luck! we're all gonna make it bros. I was posting in here 18 months ago and now im feeling somewhat happy with my art for the first time!
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>>6493048
Share your improvement, yo
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>>6492888
Would love to see your work from a month ago to see your progress. I’m pure /beg/ but the values in this are really nice and it’s a good representation of the woman
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>Found Horrible Histories book
>Decide to try and copy and study how Martin Brow does the drawings
>Find out there is quite a bit to it
Just doing the line work opened my eyes on a few things despite the simplistic overall style. Going to study how they do the shading and cross hatching as well.
Any other deceptively simple art styles that /beg/ has found?
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>>6492888
Proud of you (not sarcasm)
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>>6493236
Damn anon thank you reminding me of a book series I used to "read" back then I know I have one of them called "you wouldn't want to be an Egypt mummy" although it will really look beg but now I'm gonna have to fish it out and attempt it
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I would post in the /trad/ thread but there isn't one.
36" x 48" Canvas. Acrylic.
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>>6493612
Oh my god. To think there are people this talented and amazing posting on this shithole website... I'm in complete and total awe
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Ai shits on basically everything in this thread
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>>6493658
I plan on using AI generated imagery as references for my later paintings.
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>>6493658
And you shit on the street
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>>6493709
Looks good, what did you study for anatomy?
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>>6493714
Thanks, right now I'm still going through tomfoxdraws anatomy book.
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Had another go at this. The ribcage and pelvis angles are really hard to parse.
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>>6493175
This was my best work exactly one month ago. It was the first exercise (self portrait) from Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.
>>6493427
Thank you!
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>>6493802
Fuck I am a retard here it is.
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>>6493803
Big gains, anon, keep it up
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>>6493612
Well, it's too good for /beg/ and even /int/, great work.
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bros i just started about a week ago
loomis is too hard for me im literally ngmi
cant even do that shit yet
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>>6493820
I don't know where "loomis is for /beg/" meme started, but I don't think his books are good for absolute begs, you should try keys to drawing instead (or other beg books from sticky).
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>color
>anatomy
>form
>gesture
>backgrounds
>etc
its all so overwhelming.
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>backgrounds
can't stand this terminology
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One of today's warm up pages
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>>6491799
anon it’s literally perspective; it,s really elongated because you chose an extreme angle
On any rectangle (even in perspective) you just draw two straight lines to form an x from one corner to the opposite corner. Where they intersect is the middle. Yes it’s enough to be "believable" but it’s not exactly believable when his ballsack is in his chest now is it?
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>>6491797
Your lines are still too straight and not curved enough
You have to wrap it around the form anon
Unironically get a paper towel tube and wrap some rubber bands around it to see
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>his ballsack is in his chest now is it
He just have long legs
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>>6492932
It's 12 am and I haven't started yet, just stared at the white page. I wish I wasn't like this but it's the hand I was dealt.
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>>6493950
Tell yourself to draw for 2 minutes max. Set a timer. See how you feel after you're done
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Can someone tell me why this line on the belly exist?
I always see this line on top view poses but I cannot figure out why it exist

It does not exist on bottom and forward poses.
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>>6493969
that the bellybutton. The line there probably means it's a fat fold. show the other pictures.
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>>6493969
Her right shoulder is closer to her hip, creating a pinch. It's the fat and muscle around her obliques.
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>>6493972
>show the other pictures.
Is this an anatomically correct fat fold?
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>>6492255
You're right about the legs, the rest of the feedback is abysmal. These lamps are on hinges so the cylinder will keep straight. Your arm and hand improvement doesn't take into account that the arm is bend and the hand is closed, making them way too big. You criticized the mechanical object too be too stiff, then made the body a board.

Still better than 90% of /ic/ for actually redlining, based
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>>6493981
Yes
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>>6493990
>>6493991
Thanks. That finally cleared my mind
I would draw it next
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It’s getting late so im stopping here but this was super fun
I love haratake so much; I hope I can gain even a fraction of his skill with these studies…
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lil bird
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>>6494011
Draw a straight line between the feet. And compare that angle with your own drawing.
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>>6494014
Very nice, but I would fix/polish the feet
Other than that, good study. Gj anon!
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>copy harder
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>>6494015
>>6494017
Thanks, I was so focused on the other things that I didn’t think to look at that
It’s not worth fixing since it’s just a study but def something to keep in mind next time
>>6494018
Yeah I noticed she wasn’t as leaned back either; again, noted
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>>6494022
Thank you again anons I don’t want to seem dismissive or rude I’m just tired
I will say that I notice I keep making things too big/wide and have to constantly adjust
It seems to get better when I use smaller pen sizes though..
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Messing around with values and trying to make some sort of framework/process that I should follow when drawing
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>>6494024
Good studies, well done anon. One thing to keep in mind while trying to copy is to be aware of the negative space around shapes.
I find it to be very helpful when comparing your drawing to the ref
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>>6494024
You can be dismissive to me, I do not believe in precision anyway and I dislocated shoulder. It is natural first reaction for most(me included)to try to explain away how they are not fool. So do not stress out about it but be aware of it and try to suppress it
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>>6494017
Thanks. Yeah, I got lazy on the feet.

>>6494028
Nice draftsmanship, makes me wanna break out my old pencil and paper.
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study study study
maybe I'll practice some inking later on tonight

>>6494041
>Nice draftsmanship, makes me wanna break out my old pencil and paper.
Thanks! Seeing your studies makes me want to learn digital, lol. Seems so convenient having access to every color imaginable, layers and so on
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>>6489970
Ok
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>>6491868
Add some light on the forehead and top of the thighs, I think it'll make it really pop. Also add a core shadow
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that was some effort but that finger is too mess up. execution us cool
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>>6494107
Can you try to speak english please, nigger?
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>>6494082
Cool
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Laziness is literally unbeatable.
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>>6494209
>>6494209
>>6494209
>>6494209
you know the drill
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>>6494028
you can tell it's not real because the page isn't covered in graphite smudges. nice try bucko
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>>6494309
huh?
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>>6494334
did i stutter
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>>6494454
not sure if youre sarcastic or not
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>>6494481
i was being sarcastic. whenever i use pencils the drawing turns into smudgy shit
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>>6494493
I see, hard to tell over the internet
Maybe use harder lead to prevent smudge (I usually draw with 2H then go over with softer leads after)
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>>6493803
Great work man, clearly a heap of improvement
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>>6490066
>hurr durr don't use tools that are available to you, do it da old fashioned way!
if it were for faggots like you we'd still be living in caves
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>>6494047
Not fond of the style, but you know how to draw ass for sure.
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>>6493027
Tell that to all the skilled, beautiful psychopaths. Not all of men are the same.
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>>6496794
Like Hitler?
You do realize that he struggle hard with proportions, right?

And also no,
You can be an ass with skill but being kind lets you live healthy for longer



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