>What is /atsg/?/atsg/ is a thread where you can ask questions about anatomy, get redlines and paintovers, identify muscles and landmarks from photo references, and find resources and pointers to help you learn and improve>Guidelines- Ignore and report off-topic/troll posts. DO NOT REPLY!- Keep feedback limited to anatomical knowledge rather than things like linework, style, etc.- Don't just pyw and ask for a redline, try to ask specific questions about areas you're struggling with>Recommended readingFigure Drawing: Design and Invention - Michael HamptonBridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life - George BridgmanHuman Anatomy for Artists - Eliot GoldfingerMorpho: Anatomy for Artists - Michel LauricellaStonehouse's Anatomy - Seok Jung HyunAnatomy for Sculptors - Sandis Kondrats and Uldis Zarins
>>6544623I wanna study TB choi’s anatomy
I'm working on some leg anatomy studies and could use some feedback on the gracilis/sartorius area, as well as any problems that are sticking out to people.
>>6544637here's the reference
I think I'm starting to kind of understand the tensor fascia, but it's still weird to me. Are there any outstanding problems with it?
>>6544909here are the muscle groups colored in
>>6544623Ahhh, I hate the flexors and extensors in the forearms. It's like spaghetti just twisting around them. Does anyone actually fully remember that shit?
>>6544637>>6544638Ooga booga
>>6544928ikr>>6544914I'm working on forearms right now, the way I approach it (grain of salt) is there are four things to remember:1) ridge muscles2) ulna3) flexors4) extensorsIf you can get those groups memorized then the rest is really not that hard. As far as flexors go, the medial epicondyle is a great landmark since it protrudes and all the flexors originate from it. The most important flexor to remember is probably the pronator teres, since it creates a rhythm on the arm. The flexor carpi radialis and flexor carpi ulnaris aren't hard to remember since their names just describe what they do (flex finger on radial side, flex finger on ulna side) and the palmaris longus is in between them and easy to remember because it fans out like a "palm" tree lolRidge muscles are just ECRL and brachioradialis, no problem there, I just remember they snake out from between the bis and tris and insert near the thumb side. The ulna I think of as one of those dino-grabbers that bites on to the cylinder of the epicondyles(so the dino head is the olecranon), it creates a nice border between the flexors and extensors. As far as extensors go I'm memorizing those right now so I don't have any good mnemonics to share, lol, but just like the flexors originate from the medial epicondyle, they originate from the lateral epicondyle, but they're partially covered by the ridge muscles (and they in turn can partially cover the ulna).man fuck forearms lolI'm probably wrong about a lot of this so if someone more knowledgeable can correct me please do
>>6544914
>>6544638Hnnnnnnghfuck
Great General OP. I'll be sure to redline people here periodically.
>>6544637https://youtu.be/GfIIMJkPXNkFollow these videos.
>>6546014yeah man I know how to construct a leg, I'm asking a specific question about the study I did.
>>6544637>>6546345if you're gonna trace, might as well do it neatly. It's hard to critique something this scribbly
>>6546346It's really not. You can clearly see the muscle groups that I've defined. If you don't know that's fine man.
>>6546348it's important if you want people to comment on your work. I can't even see if you aligned the bones of the knees properly. Being scribbly is just a cover for a lack of knoweldge
>>6544623nice, finally a good thread idea. Anyone has some resources on drawing eyes?
>>6546350
What's a good way to simplify the pelvis, I've tried a bunch of different ways and I'm still having a hard time with it.
>>6546648box
>>6546648Underwear shape
>>6546648>>6546796I think the underwear shape is best, but a box >>6546744 could still work, especially for men
>>6546648https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiASsVGyG4YLooked nifty.
>>6546648https://e-hentai.org/g/1800529/7605d74a9d/?p=1
>>6544623Does anyone know of a good way to simplify the torso and shoulders? The way I construct them now suck ass and leads to a lot of mess.
>>6544623Unless i'm going to draw someone without skin, i don't see the benefits of learning this way.
>>6548472First off, no one is forcing you. Second, it's good to learn muscles and anatomy because muscle, bones, and fat directly affect the shapes of the body. You don't have to know every muscle fiber, but it's good to know the shape of the major groups.
>>6548484You can still learn the muscles without drawing every single muscle under the skin. On average, you're not going to be highlighting every muscle and bone of the leg like this >>6546439 when drawing normally. So why go through all the hoops when you can just draw the final result when imagining the rest?
>>6548498You can’t draw the final result without knowing the anatomy. That’s where your logic goes wrong. Besides, are you a brainlet or something? There isn’t even that much to learn.
>>6548498You didn't read what i said or you don't have reading comprehension. Sure with some styles you can get away with knowing less but if you wanna draw more realistically than cartoons/anime shows then you're gonna have issues. anyways, pyw, let's see how good your anatomy is if you're saying you don't need it.
>>6548498are you one of those anti-construction faggots? I thought we already eradicated your kind?
>>6548500Unless you want to be a doctor or you want your final result looks like this, then you certainly can. Just looking purely visually at gesture and deconstructing what you see into simple shapes can do more than breaking down every muscle group to their last blood cell. At some it just turns into studying anatomy to procrastination highlighting ever muscle group you can find to avoid drawing.
>>6548560Nope. You need anatomy to draw living figures.
>>6548567or course you do. but needing to know every single part of the body isn't necessary to improve at it.
>>6548574Define what you believe is "too much". I also think going to a Paul Richer level of anatomy is unnecessary, but you should be able to at least stomach Bridgman and Hampton
>>6548579Too much I feel like is when you stop trying to make an anything appealing, and highlight inner parts of the body more than the outside. The inside becomes the main focus and it looks like skinless horror shows. It's fine but if that's what you're goal is. But if you're constantly studying anatomy to make your figures appealing in a way where the final result looks like this, then I feel like it's a detriment to your learning.
>>6548619I can get behind this, but I’d caution you to not underestimate how much anatomy you need, especially the bones. Being able to draw bones realistically and elegantly will give your figures an extremely appealing shape. You don’t even need that much knowledge of muscles, but knowing the sweep of the bones is crucial
>>6548627agreed. and while having obsessive muscle knowledge isn't necessary, having more than average knowledge certainly isn't an issue. you just have to watch out when studying because it could be easy to lose focus on making something appealing.
Any good rules of thumb regarding proportions of the scapula compared to rest of the skeleton?
>>6548299https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhIRClkM034
>>6548755roughly a hand length tall, or 2/3 of the head (about half the thoracic ribcage)
how do you fucking draw people
>>6548784its over
>>6548782>half the thoracic ribcageSeems like he easiest one to follow, thanks
I keep going back to arms and hands, something is wrong I think and I keep resizing and redrawing but cannot fix, I want to fix before I continue.
>>6549118Not really the right thread for fully costumed figures, you just need a redline. Draw from reference next time.
>>6549183OK, I thought maybe redline of muscle group would help under costume that's why I asked here. Which general do you recommend I move to?>Draw from reference next time.True, I have bad habit of making drawing first and then trying to find reference, that's why my reference never 100% accurate but also some of his armor I don't know how to find reference for in perspective either maybe that is wrong too, idk.
>>6549189>>>/beg/
>>6549118learn perspective
>>6549191>>6549198Okay thank you
sauce??
>>6549261BBQ
>>6548784do muscle studies along side your gesture drawingswork on drawing all the head perspectives(i dont know if this is a good image or not im just picking from my reference folder)
>>6548784>>6549261>>6549118>didn't read the OPtake it to /beg/
>>6544623I feel like something is missing here
>>6549618*gashunk*
>>6549621oh, yeah that makes sense.
>>6549655nta but you also kind of melded the lat and serratus
does anyone has this blundle?https://kaycem.gumroad.com/l/2022resources?layout=profile Looks very useful
>>6544623Curious anon here.How do you all study anatomy? Just autistically copying all of the muscles and bones? By memorizing everything? Always got confused by that...
>>6549621missin quite a bit
>>6550249simple shape -> form/perspective, know the function so you know when to squash and when to stretch, know the insertion and origin point. Related groups can become a single shape when starting out (forearm extensors/flexors/ridge muscles, scapular muscles, etc)
what is an easy and simplified way to start drawing hands for a beginner?
>>6550913look at your hand and fill pages of your sketchbook
>>6550913Boxes and cylinders
>>6550913Draw the palm and then the general shape of the fingers, then define the fingers. i like to include the muscles in the palm for the thumb to give it more dimension
>>6550913>>6550938copy the Morpho hand book. It's extremely good, better than Bridgman's and Hogarth's books. He also gives you the tools to construct hands in any position, from any angle
>>6550807Clear and simple,thanks anon! Now it's starting to make some sense to me
>>6551244Morpho book?
Anyone have a good 3D model to use for anatomy ref?
>>6551349>good 3D modelproko anatomy
>>6551329No, the Morpho hand book. Morpho is a whole series of anatomy books, and there’s one on hands and feet, which is extremely useful. I’ve copied the whole thing once, and I plan to go back for many times more
i cant into foreshortened arms
>>6551349https://ecorche.anatomy4sculptors.com/figure-and-torso/muscle-manhttps://sketchfab.com/3d-models/form-gesture-anatomy-course-simplified-ecorche-da380ff2ef42414a8eeebc9d49db5f71
>>6551762Is there a female version?
>>6551680Upper arms or forearms?
>>6551762These are excellent, thanks so much bro! Just what I needed.
>>6544623Someone here studied Anatomy for artists?I want to know how you did it
>>6552461i haven't studied it but i find people recommend books based on hearsay rather than experience. that and anatomy for sculptors i find to be reference manuals/encyclopedias and not something you should be learning to draw from. they're a sanity check when you can't quite remember something or need more reference. artistic anatomy books and lessons are what you should be learning to draw from.knowledge of anatomy and knowledge of how to draw anatomy aren't the same thing. for instance, scott eaton anatomy is imo the best video lecture on anatomy but it's not a drawing course. he familiarizes you with all the important landmarks of bones/muscles and you do ecorches, but it's not a drawing course. after the eaton course, you can go through bridgman or whoever and understand the artistic choices being made.
>>6552486That makes a lot of sense to me,thank you for actually giving me a answer about this book. Some anons just said that is good without elaborating further
anyone have advice for learning the pelvis area?
>>6552486Also,is Stonehouse the same thing as this book or really shows you how to learn anatomy? Just curious because I don't see discussions on anatomy around here often so... This thread is a blessing
>>6552539stonehouse is a meme book that people who don't draw hyped up as a magical resource because it didn't have an english translation. all the best anatomy resources already exist in the west and the words are the least important parts of the books. people hype up books thinking they're going to be some magical asian secret to learn to draw without putting in the hard work.
>>6552556Rinotuna's course is the new stonehouse
>>6552556>english translation came in 2020anon...
>>6552556>memedidn't read past this word
>>6552556>meme book>recommended on op
>>6552518what do you want out of studying it? the anatomy seems fine but line quality kinda scratchy. the perspective on some of your boxes and cylinders/ellipses are suspect, bottom left and top right. i think you're at the point of diminishing returns until you apply this to finished pieces.
>>6552573i didn't read the op. i would recommend categorizing the books and dropping stonehouse because it's shit, rough ideain no order, try out different approaches to see what works for you. what you like or don't like now, you might come back in a few years and appreciate more>intro to figure drawing and anatomyFigure Drawing for Artists - Steve HustonFigure Drawing: Design and Invention - Michael Hampton>artistic anatomyBridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life - George BridgmanHuman Anatomy for Artists - Eliot GoldfingerMorpho: Anatomy for Artists - Michel LauricellaFigure Drawing for All It's Worth, Drawing the Head and Hands - Andrew Loomis>anatomy referenceArtistic Anatomy - Paul RicherAtlas of Human Anatomy - PeckAnatomy for Sculptors - Sandis Kondrats and Uldis Zarins>video coursesScott Eaton, Rey Bustos
http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Topology
>>6552697That's a really good image damn.
>>6552575Nta but what is diminishing returns?
>>6552750google it, esl/child
>>6552750>The law of diminishing returns is an principle stating that as investment in a particular area increases, the rate of profit from that investment, after a certain point, cannot continue to increase if other variables remain at a constanttl;dr: You'll stagnate the more you grind only one thing
>>6552767thanks bro>>6552756retard
>>6552575i noticed i draw them really flatly especially in clothed figures, and that i have a hard time drawing in the pelvis mass over reference pictures. so i don't think i have a good understanding of the shape. i'll try what you said.
what are the prerequisite to learn anatomy? perspective? observational skills?
>>6552767don't spoonfeed basic knowledge, it's not helpfulpeople need to be self sufficient enough to google simple phrases
>>6553189None. Anatomy is supposed to help you. It's not Calculus, where you need algebra to understand it. Think of drawing as several infinite buckets that you have to fill. There's no way you'll be able to fill the "construction" bucket or the "gesture" bucket completely, before filling the anatomy bucket. Just pour into all of them at once.
>>6553651Anatomy just helps tremendously. I don't feel as miserable as I used to when I was trying to draw figures without understanding what I actually draw. I still don't understand many things but it just feels easier.
>>6552556>>6552623OP here, I regularly reference stonehouse and find it very useful.
>>6552556>>6552623>>6553899I'm >>6552539Thanks for the answers anons.Your mileage can vary in this case I guess... .Going to check this book anyway some time and the other books listed by the other anon. Also question for the OP anon,is the book for reference on anatomy or learning about it?
>>6554162BothI have both Stonehouse and Anatomy for Sculptors and desu I like SH a lot more. It's cheaper too.
>>6554589Sounds about right,thanks for actually giving a response anon!
Bumping because this thread is pure gold
>>6553651>None.>just learn anatomy bro lmao
>>6555429Nice work,did you drew this?
>>6551762Pure gold,thanks anon
>>6544623What's your favorite muscle? For me it's the medius.
>>6551762
>>6556761It's my favorite too>>6556819What a view
>>6556819imagine the smell
>>6544909Yes the TFL gets fat when sitting, fat tear drop. Look up Ron Lemenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-FQvO7Y6Ik
>>6557033Do I have to?
>>6557272idk why Ron Lemen isnt more shilled here, he is great and even his shitty youtube videos trump many paid courses
>>6557327Ya, he is a proper master. The 2 FX magazines help more then hampton does. Scott Breton also another hidden gem.
Learning anatomy has made my figure drawings extremely stiff. Any solutions for this?
>>6556819Obscur et froncé comme un œillet violetIl respire, humblement tapi parmi la mousseHumide encor d’amour qui suit la fuite douceDes Fesses blanches jusqu’au cœur de son ourlet.Des filaments pareils à des larmes de laitOnt pleuré, sous le vent cruel qui les repousse,À travers de petits caillots de marne roussePour s’aller perdre où la pente les appelait.Mon Rêve s’aboucha souvent à sa ventouse ;Mon âme, du coït matériel jalouse,En fit son larmier fauve et son nid de sanglots.C’est l’olive pâmée, et la flûte câline,C’est le tube où descend la céleste praline :Chanaan féminin dans les moiteurs enclos !
>>6557392>french
>>6557363Pyw?Don't just paste the muscles on a frame, they flow from one into another, try and find the flow.
>>6557289do you wanna get gud????
>>6557432Y-yes...
Some practice from today and yesterday
>>6557448
>>6557448>>6557453Nice,are these yellow dots fat?
>>6551455>>6551244any one has Morpho Hands and Feet in good quality? I was able only to find low res shitty pdf
>>6557448flip your canvas as you draw. look up the shortcut or bind one because you got a lean and uneven proportions
>>6557489Yup, fat pads>>6557550Unfortunately, I already flip my canvas pretty often and I still have problems with unevenness. I think I'll start doing some sight size exercises
>>6557584pay attention to your head. make sure it's vertical and pay extra attention that you're not cocking your head in one direction to check things. it's a habit a lot of artists have, i know i have to constantly check myself on it as i tilt my head left often
>>6557541Have you checked ehentai or the artbook thread?
>>6557448>>6557453nice anon
>>6555429the image you posted is not that advanced. If you learned only one part a day, you'll finish in a month. Don't shy away from things that intimidate you
>>6544623I'm afraid of learning muscles and anatomy,it seems to be very complicatedHow I even get started?
>>6557735armpit fetish and work from there
>>6557852
>>6557735>How I even get started?https://youtu.be/pDgyQjNFVQk
>>6557735play wack-a-bone and poke-a-muscle for an hour first to learn the names and then move to books and videos, that way when somebody says sternocleidomastoid in a video or tutorial you won't be lost.
>>6557925that's the thing that goes from the collarbone to under the jaw, right?
>>6557934you're correct, though from the inside it actually looks like this but we don't care about what we can't see.
>>6557852>>6557906>>6557925>>6557934>>6557946
>>6557946Huh, it's a lot flatter than I imagined
>>6552556His video course is comfy.
>>6557906Damn, Poko looks like THAT
>>6557453DAT ASS
>>6557906>>6557925>>6558196So...I have to memorize everything?
>>6558492People think artists are dumb. If you start talking about the humeral trochlea and the extensor carpi radialis longus they'll think you're smart.
>>6558552I'm trying not to get more confused than I am alreadyStick with Proko I guess?
>>6558560yes
>>6558196It really isn't that difficult to remember. Now drawing all that shit, that's pretty tricky.
What is more important, bones or muscles?
>>6558695aestuosi pedes ofcourse.
>>6558694Nta how do you simplify?
please make this a permanent general
>>6558778Yes,along with the figure drawing one
>>6558778>>6558849bump
Bump
>>6558695Bone…r
>>6544638Fucking disgusting tranny
>>6558695I would say bones just because having proper proportions are the most glaring mistake people will notice. However bones muscle AND fat are all important to know to make a pleasing figure.
not sure what is completely wrong, i need to do more anatomy studies
>>6559453You could try using an AI to check it for you
>>6559456GTFO here shitter
>>6559465Then try blender, csp, design doll. no rules just tools. learn to check your own mistakes, no one will hold your hand forever in your art journey
bump
>>6559633why would you bump a 2 hour on /ic/
>>6559453>anatomy studiesNo, you need to do line, shape, and form studies. Anatomy comes later.
>>6559675Thank you. I'll make sure to practice them more. Is there anything else that I should be doing besides those?
>>6559915Nta but IMO do the david finch roadmap
>>6560225Gotcha, thank you again, anon
doing an armpit anatomy study on this piece, need someone to check my work sauce is kinnikupawa on twitter (1/2)
>>6561072Orange = tricepsgreen = bicepsmagenta = deltsred = pectoralisdark blue = teres majorblue = latissimus dorsigreen = serratus anterioryellow = external obliquepurple = rectus abdominusIs this correct? Potential problems/questions:>pectoralis: am I right in that the front of the pec would obscure the front delt in this view?>latissimus dorsi: I thought it would go behind the tricep? am I wrong? And would it cover that whole area in the front? Where is the ribcage?>axillary fossa: do I have it right where there are no muscles here?
>>6559477but then they'll be unable to continue doing "studies" and avoid actually making something.
>>6557272>>6557327Can confirm I took Ron Lemens anatomy of clothing class on CGMA and it's really good content. My only problem with him is his critiques are a bit short and to the point but without any exposition to help contextualize.
>>6556819Bruh
>>6561072>>6561077I might be 100% wrong on this but the teres major and minor are absurdly large and the lat is absurdly small. Much of the axillary makeup really depends on how you interpret the muscle to the right of the tricep to be. it's incredibly confusing because if you consider it the bicep, then where's the coracobrachialis? It's missing from the drawing and even in non muscular women you can kind of see it as it helps bridge the gap between the pec and the bicep
>>6561220anon you replied to hereI think the thing you have listed as the teres minor is the teres major, and the teres major is the part of the latisssimus that isn't overlapping the serratus, and the part you have listed as latissimus is the part that covers the serratus. So I think the confusion is that there's two "sections" to the latissimus.
>>6561242how could it be the teres major if its on the deltoid side of the tricep? I'm interpreting the V shape of the tricep as the insertion point, so it doesn't make sense to me that your dark blue portion is the teres major. It could be the case that they grouped both the lat and the teres major together into one shape and made no marks to separate the two
>>6561072>>6561077why would you do an anatomy study on such a stylized piece?the pec would block the collar bone from this angle on a chick this buff, im quite sure you wouldnt even see the bicep from this angle and she has random muscle definition all over the place. Which isnt a bad thing because the piece has appel but it's terrible for studying anatomy
>>6561300
does anyone here bought the proko anatomy? if so, can you share the ebooks?
>>6557448Such good work anon. Had to use it for ref. Hope mine's not too stiff
>>6561675you should get real ref. some of those lines and shading are nonsense for muscle insertions how you've rendered. stuff like the deltoids, pecs, scm, collarbones, suprasternal notch don't really look great also this shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supraclavicular_fossa. the 6th rib and costal cartilage are important for separating the chest and abs, the abs don't just start. i highly recommend scott eaton's video courrse
I need feet resources, not the fetish kind. I just am tired of drawing ankles and above
>>6561712Bump for this, except, I want fetish shit.
>>6561300You said it yourself, because it's appealing. Not only do I want to learn anatomy but I want to learn how other artists selectively ignore it for appeal.
This seems like a good place to askHow do you portray light musculature with linework? Hard lines for abs for example look like shit
>>6561992broken/feathered lines, see >>6561072
>>6561997>light
>>6556819His asshole is pretty looseLike mine when I was a 16 yo coomer (but for ass)Also thanks to that model I put myself to learn the internal and external anal sphincters
>>6548784Soul
I can't really visualize how the scapula on the raised arm would look in the reference. Could someone redline my skeleton?>>6561675That's fantastic, thanks anon.
>>6562744more broken and more feathered
>>6563164I think it would be something like this. If you put your hand on your serratus, towards your back, and make the pose, you can feel your scapula pushing out your lat and teres major to make that bulge that you see in the musculature near the left breast. I could be wrong though.
>>6563164this is excellent, what would be your top anatomy/figure resource you would reccomend?
>>6563212Thanks>>6563226Anatomy for sculptors
Is there a good resource focusing on portrait refs? It’s not anatomy in the purest sense, but I am having some trouble keeping consistent proportions with angles.I know, Loomis, but I want to use some refs as well.
>>6563625tyvm! i've always heard good things but now i'll actually read this, would you recommend redrawing the book or how did you implement it into your studies?
>>6564513It's not super in-depth but I think that's good thing for artists. It also doesn't have a lot of text and mostly uses visuals to explain concepts which I like. It has four sections and after each there are a few pages filled with pictures of models that show off that particular body part, I'd suggest drawing the diagrams and then applying that info to the pictures of the models. That's what I'm doing at least.
can someone breakdown this back anatomy? i'm currently try to learning back muscle and i don't know where is the shoulder blade location. is this trapezius hide a line of shoulderblade? im too retard
>>6564674it's right there clean as day.this isn't a request thread. do a study of what you think things are, then compare with real pictures. if you really can't tell then post here. put in the work yourself, retard
>>6564679It's fine, backs are hard and he's asking a specific question.>>6564674Look for where the trapezius (red) gets bunched up, it sits along the top of the scapula. From there it should be easy to find.Notice how there's a circular area (in purple) representing the surface scapular muscles (from top to bottom: infraspinatus, teres minor, teres major). The muscles themselves don't make a circle, but a circular rhythm is created by the trapezius overlapping a corner of the scapula, the deltoid (orange) overlapping the opposite corner, and the latissimus (in yellow) overlapping the bottom. Notice also that even though the latissimus covers the whole back like a cape, two triangular rhythms are created because the lumbar aponeurosis is stretched thin against the erector spinae (green). You may also see the external obliques from behind. Notice the seventh cervical vertibrae in the middle of the trapezius, as well as the acromion process above the humeral joint.Note that I could be wrong and you should take this with a grain of salt, if any anons want to correct me. I'm learning too.>>6544637>>6546346>>6546350>>6546439Speaking of which, still waiting on a response to this.
How am I supposed to use morpho? I dont get why he has one big book and then a bunch of smaller books that cover the same shit as the big one just broken up. Should I read the big book first? Then what will I gain from reading the other ones when they cover the same topic? Or do I just read the smaller ones and ignore the big book? I just want to pick one I can study over and over again, perhaps I had best seek elsewhere?
>>6565269The small ones have different drawings in them, they go more in depth. Start with the big one. Simplified Forms and Hands and Feet are my favorite little ones.
>>6549618Serratus Anterior?
>>6565314I liked your posts anon,how did you got started with anatomy?
>>6565118>backs are hard and he's asking a specific question.It was hardly specific question
>>6544626same here, i really want to feel her forms ;)
Can someone check if I did the attachment of the lats correctly? >>6565316Just picking up random stuff from here and there, I think the first anatomy related video I watched was one of Prokos. I only recently decided to go through an anatomy book cover to cover.
>>6565430I see,so in this picture,you're trying to rebuild the torso?
>>6565293Yeah, I've since remembered it. Right now, I have issues remembering muscles of the upper leg.
>>6565314I really like how clean your work is. Everything reads well.
>>6544623A question everyone here,What was the hardest muscle/bone to study for you?
>>6565448Just drawing the parts I'm practicing. >>6565720Scapula and pelvis, still strugling with the latter
Tips for drawing arms on overly muscular men, my torsos and pelvis look ok but I can never get the forearm muscles to look right and its necessary for the elbow to mostly disappear at many angles on a large arm which can be tricky to draw right.
>>6565734if you don't post your drawings, you can't be helped. there's no actionable advice to give of what you want and what you end up drawing
>>6565737well its just highly nsfw, i was looking for a reference pack of bodybuilders on gumroad or something similar.
>>6565739Dude this is literally a nsfw board. Don't post your work I don't give a fuck, but if you're shy about sharing people can't help you.
why is the triceps on the right so long compared to the one on the left
>>6566297It's the medial and the long head.
>>6566297>>6566360Oh I misunderstood. The model has long arms.
>>6566297It's not any longer you're just seeing more of it. Normally, the deltoids hide a chunk of the triceps
>>6566536Nice work! I think you forgot the coracobrachialis, though.
>>6544623what am I supposed to do when learning anatomy? what muscle groups should I pick first and what do when studying anatomy?
>>6566732also how do I memorize everything?
>>6566660Didn't know it existed until you mentioned it. Is pic related where it's located?
>>6566732proko anatomy
>>6566760alright,going to check outalso,studying muscles from pics helps too? like trying to identify them
>>6566757Yes. Think of it as a small wedge that dives between biceps and triceps. From the front, it is in front of teres major/latissimus dorsi (which are in front of triceps).
>>6566763>studying muscles from pics helps too? like trying to identify themyes, proko does that>learning anatomy?you know perspective at least, right?
>>6566766A mnemonic device to remember the layering of the muscles from back to front:"Try to let corbie peck"(corbie is Scotch for crow)TRIceps, TERes, LATissimus, CORacobrachialis, BIceps, PECtoralisI learned this from Richard G. Hatton's book (from 1904!). Very helpful book, and still in print from Dover Publications.
>>6566768yeahjust very confused by muscles and bones, how they work and shit,thanks for the recommendation anon
>>6566766>>6566771Neato thanks
>>6544623the best general thread,make this a regular one
>>6566768why is he placing the deltoid insertion so far to the right? I thought it was inserted between the biceps brachi and the other bicep?.
Hey guys, how would you draw the pelvis here? I'm struggling a bit.
>>6567332you give a draw first. if you can't find landmarks on there you know already then you shouldn't even be trying to draw that pose. it's not really a useful pose i'd want to draw and i don't think you have a reason to either. construct what you can and the pelvis goes in as the last puzzle piece. it's really not important compared to constructing limbs and the torso.
>>6567369Here how I would do it.
>>6567332Sometimes you have to locate the anatomical landmarks in reference to other forms. For instance, the point at which her left leg (the one with her hand on it) emerges in the front is on a level with the anterior INFERIOR iliac spine. Find it on a labeled diagram of the pelvis. That point on the pelvis is the origin of the Rectus Femoris muscle. A little above that point is the anterior SUPERIOR iliac spine (or ASIS), which is an important landmark that usually shows through the skin. It's hard to see in this image, but would be a little to the left and upwards of the aforementioned point at which the leg seems to attach to the front of the body. You can see a slight oblique line leading to it; this is the tendon of the sartorius muscle, which originates at ASIS and spirals down to the inner side of the lower leg just below the knee. If you conceive of the pelvis as a box form, the top of the front plane of that box (and thus the tilt of the pelvis) can be found by drawing a line through the two ASIS points.
>>6567403Well that was really helpful, thanks. A detail though, the little bump we see at the beginning of the thigh, could it be the fascia lata tensor?
>>6567413The tensor fascia lata isn't visible in this photo. Although it originates at the ASIS (like sartorius), it descends obliquely outwards and backwards to just in front of, and below, the greater trochanter of the femur. In this photo it is covered by the hand.
>>6565720>bonePelvis>muscleforearm extensors
>>6565324>>6565324A general question would be "how do I draw backs??" or "do a paintover of this back for me pls", he asked two questions: one was asking for a breakdown of back anatomy (which I agree is too general of a question) but the other one was how to identify the scapula on the back, which is specific enough for the purposes of this thread.
>>6567514questions should always come with an attempt/drawing of someone's work. zoomers want everything spoonfed to them without trying. if they tried, they could reference a real resource and find their errors. not enough people are self sufficient. if you help everyone then it just becomes a festival of people begging and not doing work themselves.
>>6567545keep crying
>>6567545>nooooooo don't give any hints,you are spoonfeeding them!!>so?>just be a stuck up cunt,always workswhat are you afraid of anon?competition?
>>6567395Can someone confirm me if it's right or wrong?
>>6568056It's on the right path
>>6568062Would it be possible to see how it could be better? With redline or anything.
keep up the great job anons
>>6567332I have to stress that I'm not an expert on lower body anatomy, but I think it's something like this. Also check out this guys 3D models, real good to visualize where the skeleton is in the bodyhttps://www.artstation.com/artwork/1nbYx2
>>6568225Thanks man that's really nice of you. We arrived at the same result more or less so I'm reassured.
>>6568071>>6568062 here,sorry for not providing a redline because phonepostingBut >>6568225 got it right Keep up you two
>>6568052>hey guys i have a question>>ok, show us what you've tried so we can give you better help>noooooooo stop being a stuck up cunti'm happy to help if someone has put in work to try understanding. it's a waste of everyone's time when someone asks questions without trying themselves. posting your work should not be controversial in a troubleshooting general
>>6568560In this case is understandable,I was referring more to a little hints. Can't say much about redlines since I suck at it
Every fundamental needs its own permanent general, that way people can just have those threads open and forget about the rest of this board, never needing to browse the catalog again.
>>6569436I want this thread and the figure drawing one to be permanent,anons forget that not everyone here is a /beg/
>>6569701this is a good start, /ic/ can heal like this
Hey guys me again, I tried to figure out the pelvis here (that was tough).Could you tell me if I'm in the right?
>>6569792Agreed, seeing those threads receiving a lot of replies and work makes me smileSomeone make a new thread when this one reach the bump limit, let's keep this going
bump~
>>6569878Looks OK to me
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So if I understand correctly female pelvises are covered by additional layer of fat so that's why they are not that visible or might not even be visible at all. Especially on the sides, compared to male ones.
>>6572279Well, yes and no. There's two areas in the pelvis that are -except in extreme cases- always subcutaneous : the anterior superior iliac spine and the sacrum.You deleted the pic, so I can't see what you're talking about but women tend to gather fat on outer thigh enhancing the hips and giving them a "pear" shape.
>>6572476the pic was a lizard man with a fu-man-chu saying something in russian
>>6572566You weren't supposed to point that out
>>6572910the holy grail
>>6572910Why is the pussy so low? is this really how it is?
>>6573325Seconding the question (I have never seen a vagina).
>>6572910Also, I just noticed the anus exit. I'm pretty sure they are not that far back
bump desu
>>6573361>>6573347>>6573325>>6572910Anyone?
>>6573325Yes.
>>6573325Yes it's lower than what you'd expect.>source: reddit AMAs
>>6573325Scratch sex, have you never seen hentai or a porno before?
>>6572476I guess it really depends on a person and his/her muscles/fat. Thin models have more visible bones. It might sound stupid but I had a hard time understanding the fact that bones don't vary that much.
Confused about the greater trochanter. Is it always represented by a bulge on the thigh, or if a model is thick enough, is it represented by a divot? I'm finding conflicting info.>is my image correct?
>>6576334
>>6576336https://warosu.org/ic/thread/S4044840#p4048554this is an example of what I'm talking about where the bulge is probably not the trochanter (so what is it? Vastus L.?)
>>6576334Here and especially here >>6576337 the bulge you see is not caused by the trochanter. Women can have a layer of fat on the outer thighs called saddle bags, this is what you see.Greater trochanter helps creating wide hips but it doesn't give a bulge like that. It can actually causes a slight depression (locally) because the gluteus medius is attached to it.
>>6576353I see; would you mind doing a quick paintover on >>6576336 so I can see where the trochanter is?
>>6576374
>>6572910fuck, new fetish acquired
>>6576416Which is?
>>6576416Shiny butthole.
>>6576411ThanksIn the bottom model on the right, it kind of looks like the trochanter is once again pushing out the bump, am I seeing it wrong or is there something specific about the pose that makes it so? This is very helpful btw.
>>6576464From the front view, even for a skinny girl or man, you won't be able to clearly see the trochanter as it is partially hidden by the fascia lata tensor.What you're seeing is either still fat pads, or muscles, or a mix.The only time the trochanter can create a "bulge" is in poses like the one where I didn't draw anything because the pelvis is tilted and create a slope that goes toward the trochanter.
>>6576464Also, keep in mind that the trochanter still wildly contributes to create a feminine shape, but it's more because of all the muscles and fat that build around it than the trochanter itself.
if only someone could make a high quality 3D model that could be moved, my time spent learning anatomy would be divided by 10. Is it impossible to do?
