It’s over for artlets.
I'm not an "artist", I'm a 芸術が!
*芸術家
>>6557807honestly, as shittily made as it is, at least the man trying to reach his own penis says something, is doing an action, can be interpreted. I don't care how many months you spent on your fucking dragon, if it's just "dragon" it's boring, even if higher skill.It's why people will always gravitate to mediocre art with sovl, while some art school graduate creating slop for a media company will forever go unappreciated.
>>6557807chad clay sculptor vs virgin wood carver
>>6557817tpbp
>>6557817I'm starting to think "sovl" is terminology used by talentless hacks to circle jerk each other...JUST a dragon BTFO's some mundane human fuck trying to suck himself off because he, and likely his sculptor, are so desperate that self gratification is all that they can achieve.
>>6557903>some mundane human fuck trying to suck himself off because he, and likely his sculptor, are so desperate that self gratification is all that they can achievethat retarded self fellatio sculpture probably spurred more thinking in you than that dragon ever would desu
>>6557817And what does the crude, made by a high school boy lookin', sculpture of a man sucking himself off say?Honestly I too despise this shit, it is so frustrating that these people consider themselves professional "visual artists" and yet are unable to convey themselves visually to a higher degree than a normal person would. Even the most amateurish of us could sculpt that dick sucking sculpture at least at the same level of quality.I agree that a message is important in art, like a plot to a novel, but how that message or plot is presented is just as important as the message or plot itself. Poor dialogue or characters will ruin the novel, and this constant stream of shitty no-talent art is ruining people's perception of art; I myself have thought high art to be absolute shit for the longest time now - the average person doesn't give a shit about art anymore. Everyone can come up with ideas, but it takes cultivated talent to turn that idea into something people want to look at, a degree of professionalism, and yet we're now expected to just appreciate the fact that these no-talent fucks who put this shit on a pedestal.Conceptual art and art-critics, who should have been gate-keeping art, fucking ruined art. They were to busy (coincidentally) sucking their own dicks to realise the damage they've done. If anything can be art so long as it has a message then why should anyone put effort into it?Finally, why can you think of a meaning for a guy sucking himself off, but not dragon sculpted from entire tree? Maybe the dragon symbolised Nature's power? That nature is still mystical and unknowable? Man's domination over nature?But no, the dick sucking sculpture is the good one - it's like art galleries are twitter and everyone is justifying their taste for coom art.
>>6557909Guy sucking himself off makes me think "who the fuck looked at this piece of shit and said 'ok'!?!? Is this nepotism? Or some edgy bs."Hand carved epic dragon sculpture makes me think "holy shit, this is fucking sweet! Did one guy do this, or a group? ONE GUY!? Holy shit, that dudes a beast! What else will he create? How else will he carry this museum, when he's next to 'self succ' garbage?"But also, "making you think" isn't much of an art criteria, because I could just put up math problems, and your dumb ass would praise me endlessly for "making me think".Some mething beautiful doesn't need to make me think, as sometimes, the mind needs some calm silence.Evocing rage isn't a good criteria, either, because, again, I could just post "trannies aren't real people" or some shit like that and get the same effect, doesn't make me a good artist.Then again, someone who defends that dumb ass piece of shit art probably does zero thinking in general, so ANY thoughts are good, in your case.
>>6557807shock art is retarded. sculpt a decapitated baby head on a spike wearing a crown of thorns, enjoy your accolades.
>>6557981nobody would've cared or known about the dragon if it weren't for self succdragonbabies don't realize they stand on the shoulders of self fellaters
>>6557846pls acknowledge me...
>>6558015
>>6557815based
>>6557981Ngmi
>>6557815>>6558015>>6558025dumb tranime poster. reported for avatarfagging btw.yes do reply to try to provoke me and give me my (You), I know you were going to anyway.
>>6558082So exactly as I said; no thoughts inside that empty head. Not surprised at all.
>>6557981"art is when...THING LOOKS KEWL!!!!!!!!"grow up
this picture is 11 years old
>>6558173You don't know, and never will know anything about artCursed to a lifetime of crafting kitsch for midwits
>>6558214>kitschAs if that's a bad thing. Kitsch Rules!
>>6558202Says the tool defending a poorly made statue of a guy sucking himself off.
>>6557807I have always hated symbolism ever since my HS english teacher singled me out and made me do a report on a short story about a girl with cancer written by someone who clearly never had cancer or didn't know anyone who had cancershe tore my report to shreds and blasted me in front of the class about all the shit I wrote and how the story was about her finding strength to wear a wig for her boyfriend and I'd never understand what it's like to be terminally illuntil another student pointed out to her that my mom died from renal cancer and that i myself was currently battling an illness with a very not-0 death rateit wasn't even satisfying. she just went "oh" and then began talking about the "symbolism" of another story.she was also the type of weirdo to proudly state that she got wine drunk and painted with her period blood and for some reason was convinced i was homophobic until she saw me at the only pride parade i ever went to and was shocked to discover i was a fag and had a boyfriend.fuck symbolism. fuck your interpretation of the colours used to decorate a room. the room is purple because the person likes purple. it isn't purple because it represents their secret desire to be royalty or whatever.
>>6558989Sounds like you got burned by one of those cunts who pretend to be so very "Open and Inclusive"... so long as you fit perfectly within their interpretation of what a fellow "Open and Inclusive" person is and don't have any differing opinions.Shit teachers really can leave a lasting impression on what they were supposed to be teaching you.Anyway, agree with about the symbolism stuff too.
>>6558989yeah, symbolism only works when it's blatant and purposeful, like Orwell's Animal Farm. Otherwise, it's just academic masturbatory fluff
>>6558989I’m currently in a uni art class and I had an assignment where I had to watch some videos and answer questions and the last video had some painting of a plate, cup and spoon that appeared to be made out of fur. These bitches in the video are talking about how the fur and shit is supposed to symbolize the sexual cravings of men and I’m thinking “What the fuck?”Often symbolism is annoying but sometimes it gets weird
>>6559905>it's because... ah, ummm.... Men have sexual cravings? Yeah THAT'S IT! You were just too uncultured to understand how great the work was!I get the feeling a lot of the "symbolism" is tacked on crap to make the work seem better than it is.The work can't stand on its own two legs, so they have to tell you why the work is great
>>6559905Actually that brings me back to High school, where I'd always have a default answer for shitty artwork that'd get some good marks - "The artwork was designed to make you question what constitutes 'good art', and what art even is?".Arts too crap to get any meaning from? THAT'S the meaning.
>>6557815More like gayjutsu.
>>6557807>art history>artistBWHAHAAHAHAH
>>6558202>>6558007>>6558082This is why you faggots are getting replaced by AI
>>6557807That statue is /g/ in a nutshell, no matter how hard they try it, they will break before getting their dicks sucked.
all of this nonsense made up symbolism started with the "Symbolists" of the 19th century and then Surrealists. the practice and term of symbolism existed already in more concrete ways, but some french faggeaux had to claim the term for themselves with something more arbitrary, like making meaning out of their absinthe-induced delirium.
>>6562554fuck you for bumping this shit
>>6562240Ai can literally never replace OP techfags really can't comprehend that the point of art like that is to make you think your seething at "modern art" literally is the point the fact that it makes you so mad just shows your lack of higher cognitive function and also shows that you can't distinguish between two almost completely unrelated groups of artists >tl;dr techfags are all picrel
>>6562240Go visit /g/, /ic/ remains strong because :a. people already knew art isn't a career as much as a state of existenceb. a lot of people on arts want the human element exactly because they are fed up with automation, productivity and speedc. people who aren't poorfags want to pay for the experienceThis is why you literally have stuff like documentaries on how to do art, and galleries, the process is as essential as the end result, it's like traveling or going to a trad restaurant, you want to feel, to share with others, to know there are other humans like you experiencing an specific space and time.>2 more weeks until people cant differentiateIndeed, 2 more weeks until ChatGPT makes you go back to the farm.
>>6557807Just because you're surrounded by talentless freaks that do it wrong doesn't mean symbolism is bad. Its a core fundamental in making art. This guys getting mad because he only values technical skill.No one will give a fuck if you can paint a 1to1 photorealistic human if its not saying anything. All I see are 2 terrible pieces of art, they are just terrible in different ways. You hard focused on one element of art and made something vapid and meaningless. Good art is technically good and tells a story, that story is normally told using subtext and symbolism because then you get political cartoons/ object labeling memes. Two things made for and by for the most low IQ people possible.You got a skill issue my guy, the sooner you realize it and get over yourself the sooner you can make better shit.
>>6558989Every single master artist since the Renaissance uses symbolism. Fucking traffic signs use symbolism. Haven't you ever seen a stop sign without the words "Stop" written on it yet you know exactly what it means?You're looking at one tiny example of some retard using symbolism incorrectly and assuming a core fundamental of visual story telling that artists have been using for thousands of years is invalid. Sorry to tell you this but you are not smarter then master level painters and designers. Look up the Youtube channel Great Art Explained or anything that breaks down actual master level paintings. Saying its stupid and pointless is like saying a guitar chords are stupid because i saw someone playing g minor wrong
>>6557815ロリコン*
>>6557807>laughs in art restorer
>>6563981Ai shits out 500 ways on how you could restore it based on previous techniques artists etc.Pick oneDoes it all for you.I mean unlikely since it's a niche but it's still possible.
lol if he value technical skill so much he should be a carpenter, not an artist. at least you can take some idea out of the guy trying to suck its own dick, but what does a fucking wood dragon tail mean? it means nothing because this guy thinks doing art is making a commodity to be given value when people look at it
Why is the ai cuck seething again?
>>6557815FPBP
>>6557981>Hand carved epic dragon sculpture makes me think "holy shit, this is fucking sweet! Did one guy do this, or a group? ONE GUY!? Holy shit, that dudes a beast!How do you know the dragon would elicit that sort of response when you can't even see it? That OP was too cowardly to post his carving while publicly deriding the other guy.All you can see is the tail, for all you know it could look like a piece of shit, which it probably did since they didn't have the confidence to post it.
>>6557817the whole point of art is to challenge yourself and make stuff that is hard and takes time, skill and effort. If anyone could do art the same way, art would be completely pointless, because the novelty comes from the technical difficulty and how scarce it is, nothing else.themes and symbolism are optional, but in no way are the only thing a piece of art is about.A dragon made of wood is cool now, was cool back them and will still be cool in the future, because it's something made with intelligence and dedication, a man trying to suck himself is cool for only about 2 or 3 seconds you spent thinking about it, after that, you immediately forget about it and move on, it would've been trashed in the past and would be completely ignored in the future, nothing about it is impressive or complex and stands the test of time. it's cheap and conceptually boring.therefore, worthless.
Does anyone have that image of Richard Williams' rant juxtaposed with how much money people have wasted going to art colleges that teach postmodernist art?
>>6565667art is not a sport you stupid nigger. and the novelty comes from the ideas and from encapsulating the current zeitgest
>6557915>And what does the crude, made by a high school boy lookin', sculpture of a man sucking himself off say?Enough to make you produce this wall of text that I won't read. You can argue all you want it's nothing, but it's still more than the boring dragon sculpture did.
>>6559905Guess it was this?
>>6557807Why is the guy sucking himself off such a big deal? I went to an museum in Lima which had hundreds of ancient pottery pieces of dicks, dicks getting sucked off, and dicks going into holes. Stay mad virgin
>>6557807People who are genuinly on the autistic spectrum trying to reflect on anything related to symbolism, metaphorical concepts or emotional aspects of art is completely pointless. Their conclusion will always be "NO, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING ELSE; IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN IT'S MOST LITERAL INTERPRETATION!". Modern art is undoubtedly a hellscape of absolute trash and is painfully oversaturated by spoonfed symbolism now, but artwork that holds no meaning beyond technical achievement is not the answer to that problem. Or any problem.
>>6568102>but artwork that holds no meaning beyond technical achievement is not the answer to that problemSure, but why shouldn't we expect both? This is supposed to be their job. They are supposed to be skilled in this visual trade. Yet their work comes across as so amateurish that it seems as though any man on the street could have done it - and people are supposed to admire this? People are expected to have paid to come and see this?In allowing anything, from dirty beds to tin cans of an artist's literal shit to have become "art", and allowing those who presented it to be called "artists", these terms no longer hold any grandeur and inspire no awe.When I think of art galleries now, I think of picrel. Twitter is a better art experience, and that's incredibly fucking pathetic.
>>6568119if its so easy why dont you do it?
It's over since the camera was invented. Did you know the camera was invented by some nodraw shithead who lamented painting is still too hard even though he was already lent the Camera Lucida tool his artist friend gave him. Engineers have been fucking with Artisans since probably dawn of time.
>>6568127>Make a case that the Fine Arts are now shit and there's no respectability there>"hur dur You do it"What part of my post possibly implied I wanted in on that action? Unless you're implying I should lead by example, in which case it wouldn't be "easy". The point is that I don't want it to be "easy". I should admire their craft, not think lowly of them, regardless of what I think of the actual piece.
>>6568133yea but you and other poorfag artist are not the buyersso why should they care? fine art is similar to coom art its only purpose is to sell why is everyone angry at that just dont look at it
>>6557807This mindset occurs because we have moved past irony, and meta irony, and ironic meta irony. It’s the exact same thing that memes go through, but over the course of thousands of years. First you have the troll face, then it falls out of favor, then it returns ironically, then post-ironically, then entirely seriously again, and so on.In summary, the banana duct taped to the wall is a real life shitpost. Autists simply cannot cope when confronted with this absurdity.
>>6568175>you and other poorfag artist are not the buyers>so why should they care?Often our tax dollars go to this bottom of the barrel shit, so at the very least, that's a very damn good reason for me to voice an opinion on it.Secondly, tax dollar go to art galleries as well, but even if they didn't, I have to pay to go into them to see this horseshit.thirdly, we had to look at these worthless pieces, or pieces like them, in school. This has been going on so long, that kids are now forced to look at them to learn about this worthless piss stains on our culture... speaking of culturefourth(ly?), the art appearing in our galleries, that people look at, is a reflection of our culture, but also, our culture is a reflection of the art we create. Am I really supposed to accept this bottom of the barrel dreck as a representation of us and our society? Perhaps you might say its laziness and its creator's clear lack of talent is a great reflection of our society - in that case our artists should be working to show a greater ideal version of ourselves and inspire us.Fifth(ly), The meaning of these pieces is often obfuscated but just how shit they are. What's the meaning of the Banana Duck taped to the wall? I can guarantee it's something hackneyed and tired (either something about capitalism, consumerism, or something that's meant to make us "question what art is" - which is shit apparently), like all the rest of this weak drizzle.
