If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.>READ THE STICKY:Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0QOld: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learnw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/>TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear directionto improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.previous >>6845070
sir your subject line is emptyplease try again, thank you sir
>>6847948dont worry sirs
https://termespheres.com/6-point-perspective/Learn your perspective.
>>6847952sir please sir your subject line sir!
>>6847964Is picrel enough to learn perspective?
>>6847972not him but unless you are into buildings and architecture structure you are good enough with loomis basic perspective qrd, i only draw anime bitches and i have yet to use any of that fancy 2vp, 3vp, 4vp, 5vp stuff
I don’t draw anymore so should I continue to participate in these threads? I suppose you “critiquers” can’t discourage me anymore. So what use are you? Did you ever have any value? I don’t just mean to this board, but for life in general?
>>6847977Hey dude, how are you?
>>6847976pyw
>>6847984hum.... just realized that most of my drawings have no bg strructures and are mostly a front view angle lmao.
>>6847185>Also, read the Vilppu Drawing ManualI'll give this a shot, thanks for the encouragementI took a break from that figure and did some other high perspective poses and I guess it's only the top/down views that are tripping me up because I'm able to get the shapes down pretty good with more side facing poses.I think part of my issue is just bad line economy, I use too many and the drawing ends up looking a lot more stiff but I'll hopefully have that particular pose figured out by the end of today.
>>6848003I recognize you from the wwd. Love your work.
>>6848003That pic is using 2 point perspective though, also I heard most anime drawers mainly work with 2 & 3 point perspective
>>6848003>quadruple amputee
>>6847979Reading a lot more these days. You?
>>6847972If it tells you to draw grids and then draw stuff in the grids, then yes.
>>6848014>>6848014>That pic is using 2 point perspective thoughbut i don't use these vp lines, just basic landmarks, my point is you don't need to dive that deep iunto perspective to draw basic stuff like that pic.
>>6848024that's exactly what she is yes
>>6848035>but i don't use these vp linesDo you just eyeball the perspective? >just basic landmarkswdym? you just use the landmarks of the body or something?
>>6848027Same, but I'm easing myself back into it a bit with fantasy. It's good though, Scott Lynch.
>>6847972Yes, it's good.
working on this backgrounds are hard.
>>6848040>wdym?I eyeball the body proportions but i use these lines as a base for perspective but these lines are eyeballed too.
Made this recently. I love it. I loveseeing myself improve
far from perfect but i had fun
>>6848104fun but not a fan of your edges.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm9hCGY6k6k
>>6848111ill check the video out tomorrow, thanks
Does ben Shapiro like to draw?
I'm interested what you guys have to say?
>>6848052I hear fantasy is very pozzed these days.
>>6848100now draw a version where the light skinned girl is a futa and is getting jacked off
okay I finished the stupid thing. I don't think I've spent nearly as much time on any other drawing as I did this one. Gonna move on to the next one now
>>6848141kys
>>6848133It seems like the shading on the face is incorrect, resulting in a dirty look, as if there are weird shapes all over her face.(Beg hands wrote this post)
>>6848100stop cooming and fix the ears, that's where my eyes were first drawn to, also the neck
>>6848189That's fair. Thx!...I would love to see what other people have to say.
>>6848192>>6848100Ears are fine, gotta fix the mouth biting the ear though>>6848133Her face looks pretty good, but everything else kinda clashes together. The sky should be higher in value to match the lighting on her face. The mountains should also be brighter to match the lighting, but if that's a cloud shadow it should be more defined and follow the form of the mountain. The rose and stem should probably be more saturated. Nice work though
>>6848133Values are kind of muddy.
>>6848205>fix the mouth biting the earYeah I noticed that it is wrong but I have no idea how to do it better.My references rarely have that head angle and none are biting anythingIf anyone can show me how, I would be happy to
>>6848219use yourself as reference
>>6848224Nigger
Went to my first figure drawing class in many many years.Was surprised to have been able to draw so much in the allotted time. Didn't expect to have two models, kinda happy I could pull off fitting both in the composition.Teachers both said my charcoal drape attempt didn't meld that well with my super light pencil parts and I'm inclined to agree.Was inspiring to see the art of others.
I didn't know how to make the best use of my time drawing when I'm at work and with little time. I've been doing contour drawings like this, just drawing what. Isee to get something out daily. I actually somewhat like the outcome and I wonder rifle this will make me more comfortable with life drawing. I do feel I unintentionally symbol drew or stylized at points though. https://pin.it/4lQaUKxTrying to alsocapply some of what I learned to properly draw from reference, as well as what I learned from the book 'Keys to drawing'.
tried to ink it to practice lineart
>>6846794
>>6848227Clip a stack of paper to your drawing board if you're not already.
>>6848243from what I understand, what I missed the most was the boring pose and the hands, so I appreciate the help, thanksthe boobs size are not negotiable thoI have in mind something like picrel as objective
>>6848242motherfucker the torso are still fucked, why do you do this???
>>6848251okay, you can change the size of the boobs then, but you gotta fix the torso dudeeven with triple H size titties if they dont have arms or bras supporting them, they will fall to either side of the ribcage(AKA no cleavage)you also keep repeatedly giving your girls a tumor for a cheek and consistently somehow fuck up the jaw and chin, makes their faces look fat.that looks like Try(lsc)'s old sketches. Why not study his newer doujins/work, its much better with a lot less errors
>>6848260I like the cheeks and the boobs shapeunfortunately trylsc had some psychological problems and was out of action for about 3 years, only now returning so there is a gap in his artworkI'll try to fix the torso and post soon
>>6848205Thank you!
Wanted to post this again from Saturday, this was my 24th consecutive day of learning and trying to do my first still life and first shading attemptany major mistakes I've made I need to remedy in future endeavors? Does shading still life relate to shading characters?
Can i get some corrections on this? pretty please.
what happened to all the good artist of 4chan?
I tried a gesture drawing with a seal/sea lion (I dunno whatever) today, after watching a video by Proko. I dunno, the lines are soulless looking as hell to me.
is the pelvis right
>>6848267dafaq?? isnt this asanagi???the difference in asanagi and you is that the distance from the far side of the face and the eye is almost not there, the eyelash basically overlaps over the lines of the face and pops out...also thats bullshit, try lsc has a new doujin about some big titty glasses bitch fucking her entire school you coulda studied that
>>6848289give reference.
>>6848293https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/left-and-right-os-coxae-visible-human-female-357ea8b45d854b0eaf138c60081370e8
>>6848293https://c2.coomer.party/data/e5/c9/e5c9897224c5b2e78bc6d4d6d05b26af9a57f7eabc12287db7e763a8b564b418.jpg?f=dfb4d49d-8d22-4864-8066-6fb9188fc83d.jpg or this
>>6848085decided to cell-shade her for the most part I like this better>>6848242The girl on the lefts eyes are a bit strange, needs a little more torso but nice inking.i'm reluctant to tackle working on the bg aspect
>>6848273if youre gonna shade i think it would be better for you to go all in and remove all lines, indicating the shapes and forms with only value, you can start by making the background black
>>6848292wait, are you that guy they say is from the Philippines?I think I know you from asgyes it is asanagi, tryhsc said that he himself takes inspiration from asanagi for his faces too, he is very chill and always responds to private messages on his patreon in english
>>6848309No, I'm not that phillipene faggot who says "ughh" all the time. I draw better than him lol, he cant color or draw anything other than half baked sketches.
feel the form, imagine the smell
>>6848316
>>6848318
day 64I was wondering how ai can paint good shadows without knowing anything about actual light and three dimensional space. I'm close to getting it.I'm still looking for pointersI haven't drawn anything for fun in what feels like ages, just pure exercises, im gona prooooko>>6848133NOOOO DON'T FALL FOR IT DONT RESPOND TO HIM>>6848319positively grotesque >>6848289too short I think? The pelvis ends around the navel from what i've seen
>>6848303thanks bro!I saw that the color of the blouse is overshadowing the lineart, a tip I give is to put the line layer in multiply mode
holy fuck drawing a bottle is one of the hardest things why
>>6848333>I'm still looking for pointersPlanes. think with planes.
Painting study
Hello beg, i am back after 3 days of not drawing. I was autistically tuning my blog and autistically hoarding books instead. Back to the autistic drawing grind.>>6848316nice feet>>6848284this is not close to gesture at all no matter what "gesture school" you are from>>6848283crabs got them>>6848273not dark enough. aka you didnt use full value range. if you dont know what am i talking about, give tonal bar exercise a go from herehttps://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/60>>6848242BOOBA>>6848235that is pretty cool>>6848181i kneel>>6848145nice booba. whats up with that nose?>>6848133weird composition, weird background, very weird 777 not applied perspective making neck flat, the random floating stars, the eye shapes are weird... whole thing is uncanny>>6848104cube apple. thumbs up>>6848100coomable>>6847972yeah>>6848333most artists draw the few same learned light positions. "ai" saw billion of portraits where majority of faces are in same 3/4 angle with light up front. thats how>>6848340symmetry + ellipses. i havent found harder subject to draw than bottles. it is nightmare
>>6848355that doesn't really explain how can it make shadows look good on anything without knowing how shadows work, that tells you shadows aren't really about three dimensional geometry and physics and more about shape language
>>6848333AI usually contains a ton of convolution layers giving it a vague idea of which parts of the image should cast shadows or have ambient occlusion thanks to image derivatives and other filters, the same way you can get edges with cunny filters but for more features at once and more complex ones
>>6848362>giving it a vague idea of which parts of the image should cast shadows or have ambient occlusionit literally doesn't know what those are, it just sees shapes and contrast and what notthe sinix videos preach these too, the shape language is more important than anything
>>6848145This turned out very nice, minus the hand. And the nose looks good imo
>>6848362>cunny filtersCunny?
>>6848372>the shape languageUh?
>>6848395>Cunny?
>>6848273I'm 100% serious when I tell you you need to blacken the background. You'll immediately see the value range issues that have been mentioned previously
>>6848353getting there
>>6848277You need to work on many things but, first, you should work on your line confidence. You can improve this by repeatedly training your ability to draw a line between two random points without a straightedge, in a single stroke. If you miss, lay out two more random points and retry. DO NOT WASTE TIME by erasing stuff: you are training, not drawing a comission.
>>6848242alright,with the help I had I tried to fix the torso, hands and face. The girl on the right I didn't change that much because the problem comes from the foundation of the sketch, so it's better to start a new draw.>>6848355cool planesI recognize some from the 50s
>>6848335thanks for the tip anondid this drawing
How long should I take a study? At a certain point I just kinda don't want to take it further, it takes too long and feels like diminishing returns start kicking in.
>>6848413very cute!
>>6848414Well, I'd at least get the faces done, try to really capture that same emotion in the faces. Your studies dont have to be complete recreations in all cases. Sometimes just studying values is what you need, sometimes just how hands are done, sometimes brush work. Whatever floats your boat.
>>6848421>try to really capture that same emotion in the facesYeah, that sounds like it should be one of the main points. It's just too easy getting caught on some details and letting my brain go around doing stuff that will probably not amount to much knowledge gained.
I'm going to trace over AI and fix obvious flaws like fucked up hands or extra limbs and become a big artist with extremely minimal effortwhat say you, /ic/?
>>6848431You aren't skilled enough to fix it
>>6848433now that's where you're wrong, palaminonot only can I draw at a high beg level, I can also just trace 3d posed hands
last update, i hope atleast.
>>6848410the hand and the torso are still far beyond corrected, it seems that even a int type redline can't help permabegs.... ajhhh.... beg geb is too much for you sweatie.
>>6848452you sound like you need sex
>>6848454are you volunteering?
>>6848398that cunny looks like Ai
>>6848465your post looks like pajeet
>>6848452add more details
>>6848416tycolored it
>>6848467yeah i was about to add shadows for nipples next but i got like 3h of sleep before work rn. thanks it' helpful.
>>6848467>begs helping begs beglythis is not an improvement. please stick to asking for help.
>>6848476easy bro, no need to be this upset
>>6848476uh oh, you jelly of my pro skills? post your wor- oh wait you don't draw
>>6848397The shapes need to b good
>>6848408Thats a good pointer, thanks.
is rotoscoping allowed?I should have gone more detailed and drawn the palm lines but I was really just worried about finishing it
>>6848479Why would I post my work and associate it with being an asshole?Your shit isn't any better than the art you're trying to critique. Either be a pompous windbag, or consider maybe you shouldn't try to correct things until you actually have the skill to back it up. This is like someone correcting 2+2=5 by telling them 2+2 is actually 3.
how do I transition from bridgeman to drawing cute girls with titties
>>6848181GMI>>6848316Really well done studies>>6848414However much you feel like
>>6848355cool planes>>6848319good stuff
>>6848495By not falling for /beg/ traps like bridgeman that have zero to do with what you want to draw.
>>6848502at least it's still good for learning anatomy right?
>>6848503YesYou should have a foundation to build on, since even if you stylize anatomy, you still want it based on reality.
>>6848003sexo sexo sexo
Coloured this fawn from a few days ago
>>6848495Loomis figure drawing
how on earth do I draw heads when it comes to anime style? do they still use loomis? most of the heads seem very ovaly...
fellow ADD chuds what helps you focus while drawing/practicing?
>>6848570can you draw normal heads
>>6848355>crabs got themThat’s what happened to me.
>>6848581>Not bad enough or good enough to get crabbedI guess I'll stay a while...
>>6848604>Participate in Drawthreads>Not shitty enough to get pity replies>Not good enough to get legitimate praise.>Get nothing but critique.Sigh...
>>6848303linearted it with a better brush wip>>6848496>>6848539keep it up real cute and wholesome.>>6848414limitation brings good practice, set aside a time limit that is managable for you.
Close to final pencil before inking
recommend me a book on human anatomy shape simplification
>>6848657your sketch book and Google
>>6848657>human anatomy shape simplificationMorpho simple forms
>>6848657>>6848664
>>6848539nice
>>6848689add more details to the legs they are too ronery and some shadows
>>6848724slow down! the drawing should be fixed before you jump into painting it. measure her proportions. You don't have to stick to ideal(just an example), but do consider adjusting her, get some other reference. It looks like you may have drawn her with clothes on top, didn't do the figure first?
>>6848689>>6848724>>6848471>>6848436>>6848303>>6848145>>6848100
>>6848724i was actually in the process of shading her legs as you posted that! i like what you did with the hair especially and the thigh holster and such. appreciate it anony
current wip
>>6848734finally i been waiting for this pic
>>6848736you better not pillow shadow paint
>>6848734
>>6848746its the easiest way to do it on my phone with the shitty brushes i have..
>>6848734Every anon that was replied to has finally made it. You punched above your weight and you can now choose - fall off because you failed, or punch even higher.
>>6848752wait how did we make it if we failed?
>>6848759I'd consider going beyond your current skill level in spite of it a positive.
>>6848767ahh well ill take it. im pretty happy with how it came out but im excited to start a new one and do it better with a gun that isnt just straight on. hopefully make it feel less stiff too
>>6847946Purely from imagination/memory. What the fuck do kangaroos look like? I remember they’re weirdly buff, and have a strange pubic bone or something kinda like dinosaurs maybe. I think I’ve seen one use its knuckles to sort of gorilla itself forward before… while grazing? Do kangaroos graze? But I couldn’t make it look right. And I know they can stand on their tail to kick people. Never drawn a kangaroo, and deliberately avoided any kangaroo reference. Let’s see how I did…
>>6848785Still better than Proko
i wanna draw a similar pose but rotated like 20 degrees counter clockwise seems like a tough angle though
>>6848785Verdict: kangaroos are fucking weird, I never stood a chance.>>6848796Thanks lol. Truly amazing how badly he did. Maybe there’s some hope for me after all, kek
lollmao, evenill stick to poses i have a picture of instead of trying to rotate them in my head
>Now, as discussed in the previous section about distortion, the human eye is limited to an FOV of about 60°, so the picture plane containing a 90° arc of vision is going to result in some heavy distortion where all this information is being crammed into a smaller space than it should.>Human eye>60º FOVDraw a box guy has never opened his eyes properly or has some kinda literal tunnel vision
>>6848799>>6848850Michael Hampton, Figure Drawing, Design and Invention.If you aren't that skilled with construction just yet, I'd suggest tracing the figure from your reference first. Then move the traced mannequin and add horizontal lines for the major landmarks. Then redraw the figure at an angle you want while taking into account the landmark lines and how rotation can change arm placement, angles etc. If you just work from references, you'll be boned if you can't find "the perfect" one for each use case.
>>6848858okay i just bought the book, going to work through it right now. thanks anon
>>6848874>boughtAnon. Libgen (dot) rocks first before you buy. Not every book is worth it.
>>6848879it was only 10$ on kindle. ive waste way more money on anime figures that ultimately provide me with nothing so its whatever
I have a bad habit of starting my drawings in a small section of the canvas
>>6848850>>6848858did you just redline yourself?
>>6847972Yes, i have it. I like it better than norling
>>6848242Nice, who are your inspos?
to be allowed to draw a silly cartoon pictures i should first understand art on an atelier old masters level, r-right?
>>6849009if cartoons are all you want, you can just do cartoons.Something like pic related needs lots of fundamentals, though
>>6849009not really, getting a basic grasp of the fundamentals helps but a lot of people here use studying as an excuse from doing the art they actually want to do. The Famous Artists Cartoon Course would be fine to start with.
>>6849015sexo
>>6848956medstake them
>>6848759>wait how did we make it if we failed?By acknowledging that failure is part of the process that leads to success and that failure, much like success, is only temporary, it is not an end state unless you willingly give up.
>>6848500I like this! Here is how I would adjust the shadows without adding more levels of shadow. Your shading is good still the light source is unclear. For example the hale itself casts no shadow on the head which I added I also do not know how the nose is supposed to get a light.
>>6848487>is *insert a thing* allowed?"no rules, just tools"
Hi my loves, I want an easy way to color my drawings, but keep the focus of my drawing journey on drawing. Pic related is an old work of mine, lines were drawn with fineliner, color painted with water diluted acrylic. Do you think this is a good idea? What would be better perhaps?
Bottom of the clouds look weird, need some help>>6849163I love line and wash drawing, so I say yes.>>6848353Nice meds, but the highlight is too big, and the splats are too bright.>>6848104I would push shadows darker, so the blurred edges would better blend with the background a little better. And I suggest using a textured blending tool for a more painterly look
>>6849193Great stuff Anon please continue on this one!Maybe like this?
>>6848355"this is not close to gesture at all no matter what "gesture school" you are from"Proko actually. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fl5LYouyoYSucks you didn't provide any other critique.
Not my best work but I really enjoyed making this drawing. Hope you bros also have fun
>>6849212That is a great solution, thank you!
>>6849143True, unless you use AI sir thats not a tool thats a loser cope
>>6849233Super cute. Soul. Keep making, spread your art.
>>6848574if you actually had add and weren't just dopamine burnt out you'd find it easy to draw for 8-12 hours straight if you actually like drawing.
>>6849137thanks for the feedback anon! I completely forgot about the halo and head's cast shadows
I have given up on rendering, I just can't do it
>>6849337the amount of soijaks posted correlates directly with one's rendering skills so keep posting them
>>6849339you're proofs??
I won’t draw today either. Because that’s what you people are all about.
I dunno if this even counts as a Gesture or whatever. Second drawing of a Seal, done in like 15 minutes or something.
>>6849344half-arsed copy of outline with a touch of symbol drawing.
>>6849348I’ll draw your symbols with muh dick.
>>6849348I'm sorry? How can I not make it a "half arsed copy of an outline"? I didn't trace it, if that's what you think. Give some proper critique lol. How can I improve it?
I love how this place seems less of a critique and more of "This is what's wrong, you're on your own idiot" lol.
>>6848414why did you pick that particular thing to study in the first place, what was the purpose?did you like the values, the colours the poses etc?don't just start something and then ask others how far should I take it
>>6849359True. These idiots have been telling me to work on my appeal for years, yet none of them can define what that means. I think they just want everything to be anime.
>>6849363How do you explain color to a blind person.
>>6849359Some anons just want to talk shit and sniff their own farts in lieu of actually giving useful advice.
Here is another one. Go on. Give me some actual critique and not snarky crap.
>>6849371cute
>>6849372That's nice. Need actual critiques. i am not bothered by critiques, but just make sure they are helpful. Keeping in mind my drawing skills are kinda rock bottom, beyond some past experiences probably allowing slightly better hand control.
>>6849368lol. You idiots really are full of yourselves despite being able to do so little. If you really think “make it look more anime” is the same as describing color to a blind person then you need to get out more and interact with actual people. But I’m sure you’ll convince yourself that, too, is some impossible task.
>>6849374well i suck at art i could either say cute if its cute and leave it at that or troll you /shrug take it or leave it bruh
>>6849371nicebut you don't need that many lines to describe its formyou could start with light lines and restate once or twice for the finer detailsalso the contour is not really following the form in your ref
>>6848410You need to follow through with some of your shapes. The top portion of the figure to the right specifically violates the continuity established by the angles the bottom of the ribcage create in your drawing. The left figures torso feels much more natural in comparison. Draw the forms through objects that are above them. Notice how in the redline you can still see the torso beneath the massive breasts? It's faint, but it's there. It looks like you're trying to emulate Houtengeki if I had to guess. Whichever artist you're copying, try and see if you can find the pelvis and ribcage as simple ovals to see how they're placed in the figure. Trace over it if you need to.>>6849370>>6849359>>6849363Yeah most people don't identify any of the actual problems in the drawing and offer no solutions. People offer the most vague advice possible. It's a real shame.
>>6849381Yeah I kinda was just experimenting with drawing them desu so it got a bit exagerrated. I'm gonna try and do a few more today.
>>6849383Glad you're here to pick up the slack.
>>6849371Don't get caught up in the smaller folds of the seal, although I can see you put in a straight before doing so. I suggest avoiding it for now. Instead veer towards making a simpler statement like in pic related where I use 3 lines. This makes checking the proportions easier to do as well because there's less points in the drawing you need check and correct. You ended up picking up a rhythmical statement where the fold flows to the fin but it's too straight (drawn in blue).>>6849386I try my best to help when I can
>>6849416Thanks man, I'll try and redo it with your advice!Oh, and here is one I just did now.
>>6848610colored>>6848759I see potential here, with a little work on faceshape and practicing eyes will go a long wayyour lines are very thick and dont taper in pen pressure , work on your lineart.
>>6849416I dunno why but the second attempt looks worse than my first. Maybe I am already burnt out or something...I'll try drawing something else now.
>>6849429Decided to try drawing a human. First time I think I've actually drawn something close to accurate breasts...God it looks bad though.
>>6849275how do I unburn my dopamine
>>6849429It looks worse because you repeated the same curve three times in a row making for a monotonous drawing. Avoid drawing the face or any little bumps for now and make the simplest line you can. The red here is the proportional relationships you need to look for as well as any other angles you need to find. The blue is the actual drawing. Also ditch the fins for now until the body is looking good. The red lines are it's own skill (proportion/measuring) and required for being accurate, but I don't want you worrying about that and instead I want you to draw the seal in as few lines as you can. 3 at least and maybe 6 at most. Draw it smaller rather than bigger.>>6849441You need to train your accuracy hard. Start with some really simple still life set ups like a sphere lit by a single light source. Draw it as accurately as you can. I'm going to show you a process on how to approach a drawing and you need to look up how to measure and perform specific proportion/accuracy exercises
>>6849454How is painting a sphere gonna help me do anatomy better? I appreciate what you are saying, I'll resume in a little bit but just kinda having a bit of a depressing day honestly.
>>6849459Because you don't know how to see and observe accurately. When you can't draw a sphere or any other primitive form, you won't able to draw a muscle belly with any sense of solidity. A bicep is very similar to a beveled brick. Also what you said is like asking how learning to move you feet will make you punch better in boxing. The fact is they're both a part of boxing the same way drawing a sphere and drawing a figure build upon your core skills. A sphere or human figure follow the exact same rules as anything else. In fact being able to light a sphere however you want is one of the most useful skills that I can think of for painting from imagination. Anyway, you're going to establish the major proportions of the sphere and separation of the background from the foreground. See the two lines in the sphere making a cross hair. You're going to make sure those 2 are the same size in relation to each other. Then you're going to draw in the cast shadow and form shadow of the sphere. Notice the use of plumb lines here in this stage. You only need to do these 2 stages. This is the block-in. Get this stage right and get good at it.
more bottles and some other shit it's hard but with practice I think it will get really easy
Refs for action poses of women?I don't really trust posing programs.
>>6849487which kind?
You can look at taekwondo tournaments, unless you need them naked
>>6849487I used exhentai/ge hentai for art pose books
>>6849490Jumping over things or something. Preferably nude because I haven't memorized anatomy yet.>>6849492Will look around, thanks!
>>6849481I'll do this in a moment, I'll share what I do.
>>6849492But hold on.How will I know these are accurate with real photos? I'm pretty sure some anime art has wonky anatomy quite often and I don't want to fall into that trap.
>>6849505I dunno ask the thread with the differences
>>6849383I don't comment as much, but I do try to give mass replies of actionable advice when possible. Or just a motivating word if everything is meh.I wonder if those anons even realize that the authors knows that their work is meh, but they need 1 or 2 things to do to improve. Maybe they presume that people are oblivious to their own skill level?
>>6848434>I'll just trace shit and it will look great.Yeah you aren't as good as you seem to think. It's going to be obvious and also crap.
As a /beg/ I can just ignore drawing from imagination, right?I mean I doodle sometimes, but I mostly work with refs.
>>6849383thanks bro, I appreciate the adviceI'm trying to draw girls like trylsc doesI just checked out Houtengeki's work and was surprised that my doodles look more like his style than the artist I wanted to emulateI'm trying to make doodles by myself so I'm having a lot of difficulty>>6848992my main inspirations are trylsc and blue gk
>>6849572Whatever gets you drawing.
How do I stop drawing so dirty? I have an ultra hard time trying to draw some without scribliu around
You can def. be a perma-/beg/.... but can you be a perma-/int/? If so, what that look like?
>>6849592Make fewer lines?
>>6849599Thanks, I guess
>>6849572Whatever works. Draw from refs to make the art better and to train your knowledge. You're not gonna have the right ref forever so remember to experiment.>>6849592Lighter touches while you're still finding the form, use eraser before you're ready to commit. Then draw harder. Do it one and done.
>>6849592It isn't dirty at all, just looks like normal sketches to mee mah nigga. Maybe try to get a harder pencil, like 4h.
sup beg. more planes!>>6849592making clean lines in pencil is... troublesome. i recc to first do rough sketch with pencil, then whip out INK (can be just pen or marker) and do single clean confident lines with it>>6849572as a beg you need accuracy and observation first and foremost. so yes.>>6849359i mean you can always subscribe few hundreds for proko or whatever draw course online which has guaranteed crit included in it xD>>6849344gesture isnt contour. did you read any book about gesture or watched some course? try drawing that animal in 1 uninterruped line under 60 seconds. dont lift pencils before its done. that should give you a clue what gesture is about. also a lot of art books ignore gesture so dont enter crab cave if it wont work. it isnt the only way how to draw>>6849233the hand is beg but the rest of it: i kneel>>6849229i hate giving advice about such abstract undefined thing, but from the 99 different ways how to do it, when i see 100% wrong one i will point it out. I cannot give you better advice than gods like proko or vilppu can give you. i spend few months grinding gesture like crazy but i cannot confidently say i am above beg at it.>>6849193it looks like she is stealing a boat>>6849163you used too much water. first rule of beg water colors: you overdid it with water. go as dry as possible, water can always be added later>>6849009Jack Hamm Drawing and Cartooning for Laughs>>6848855field of vision appears WIDE until you realize your human eye can focus only on rather small area and everything else is blurred nothing. every time you move your eyes to look around room you are changing vanishing points so there is no disortion. but on wide canvas you have to pick 1 point of view and as results the edges will get disorted one way or another>>6848539cute and somewhat soul>>6848495literally just smoothen out every single curve, add booba and make eyes 10 times larger
>>6849671finally daddy is back
>>6849589But you people did the opposite and told me not to draw.
Any beginner bros get frustrated by lack of progress but eventually get gud? I'm reading this Draw in 30 Days book and doing the exercises but 1 I suck at them and 2 I feel like the repetition isn't helping. I dunno. I need to stick with it.
>>6849688you'll definitely feel like you're not getting anywhere sometimes especially if you're just starting out. you're still improving as long as you stay consistent with it
>>6849595Look at Sycra
>>6849688Progression is a bad motivator as it comes and goes and depending on what you choose to work on can even seem to regress. Ideally drawing should be its own reward. When you're studying things because you're genuinely interested and want to use them to make better drawings rather than because its in a book and someone told you to draw it can turn something that's painful into something engaging or even relaxing. Structure and discipline is fine, but take time to draw what you want. You'll learn far more and enjoy yourself more by pursuing what interests you and the problems involved as they come than by mindlessly copying books.
>>6849722Sycra’s a professional artist
>>6849720>>6849724Thank you for the encouragement anons. I will continue to stick at it.
>>6849481Sigh...I tried but I am probably just tired, I can't really draw tomorrow (well we'll see) as I'll be busy on something else quite important. I also probably didn't do what you asked right, and now I think I actually completely missed what I was supposed to do...yeah I'll redo this tomorrow but this is what I did now. You can see I struggled with getting the perfect sphere shape for some reason, likely due to not using my arms properly.
Tired of grinding faces and figures, it's fun time
>>6849788PEW PEW
One day I'll figure this trad thing out
>>6849572Yeah you can just ignore it. But it's the most fun so I wouldn't avoid it entirely.
Not much motivation, but at least I'm still keeping the habit alive.
>>6849825I can't tell what's going on if the crab thing has an anime head or what but I think I can declare this /beg/kino.
Go fuck yourselves you fucking mother fucker retard niggers. Also what’s a good discord for learning to draw?
These are so fucking bad lmao.I have to do a giga grind tomorrow
>>6848319more feet, 3 more pages and I'm done with feet studies for a while
>>6849901Why is she peeing
Breaking down every shape more and more has really helped me figure out figure drawing
>>6849935It's how I feel. Piss my pants tier disappointment in myself
Repainted a potion
>>6848133This is SO OLD. Please don't reply to this post anymore lol.
day 65i was supposed to be focusing on the haireughh
First time doing figure drawing. Did 30 minutes. 10 gestures 30s, 5 1min, 2 5min, 1 10min. Found it really enjoyable and the time flew by
Something feels off, just can't quite put my finger on it.
Need help on feeling the form. I end up doing guesswork as to how the protrusions and depressions would be accurately depicted when setting up the figure in 3d perspective a la Loomis.Additionally, when I do a gesture, I’ve relied on the contour as opposed to internally building the rhythm of the body. I’ve started just drawing tons of boxes in free perspective and it’s been helping, but for more specific work that deals with the form of the figure, are there other resources to consult at the moment?
>>6849982Perspective is all over the place. I suggest using simple forms and combine them into the complex form, so its easier to keep track of the perspectiveYour values are wrong which gives it a muddy look. Separate them correctly and experiement with hue shifting
Practicing while necessary isn't fun so it's easy to lose focuswhen my ADD brain take over I'm like a dwarf taken by a fae mood NEEDING to complete the task, but it only works with good drawing ideas/doodles/ms paint editsI think I just have to implement the practice into something I want to draw
>>6849788Embrace the robo-kino in your heart.Scott Robertson's How To Draw might give you some pointers to improve the accuracy of your mechs.Since the robo is such a huge dark mass, I would have reduced the brightness of the background, maybe upped the light hitting the mech so it pops more.>>6849825My Ultralisk can't be this cute.I assume you're doing digital airbrushes over a scanned ink drawing?Experiment with slightly thicker lines for masses that are closer to the viewer and thinner ones in the back. It's right claw overlays it's legs and you kept the part behind it white, which is good, but I would have made the line ever so slightly thicker so that it's more prominent as well.>>6849835>>6849938>>6850087Stay strong, keep going, anons.>>6849901Try tracing a face while drawing the same key points you used in these. If these are pure construction, you need to work a few from IRL references in.>>6849928Looking good, boss.>>6850186Probably the distended jaw and angle of the ears. You are bringing the mouth too much forward which creates an underbite. Pic related, top row's middle image has a similar angle for the face.
finally getting the hang of these more solid forms and overlapping themVilppu is a staple for a reason
>>6850285Nice! Huge improvements!
>>6850288Thanks! If you were the anon that recommended Vilppu it was a tremendous help, I can finally move on with my Weston lectures and get arms and legs out of the way lolAlthough I'll still need to simplify the torso further since I'll be animating stuff soon, luckily I have some Aaron Blaise lectures in the queue
Guise, I just went on twitch to see how other artists do their stuff and they take SO FUCKING LONG doing anything. I know they have to pay attention to chat, but even then I think they take like 10 minutes to draw an arm.How long do you guys take to draw a full body? Also, are there any professionals speedpaints without the speed, just the paint? I'm conscious in my drawing speed now.
>>6850298I like eu03https://www.twitch.tv/eu03art
>>6850298Depends on skill level, stylization and focus. Any chat is a debuff, but 10 minutes for an arm sounds reasonable if it's foreshortened, has some design implications.>How long do you guys take to draw a full bodyI've posted it before, but purely drawing pic related took 2-3 hours and the line quality was subpar. I'd say that's my average time for similar, overlapping shape figures. 1-2 hours if it's some standing/simple figure.
>>6850301>but 10 minutes for an arm sounds reasonable if it's foreshortenedI think I'm zooming too much then.>drawing pic related took 2-3 hoursBut that's counting painting, so it sounds fine.>>6850300DUDE, at 2:37 hours from the vod of 4 days ago, that guy is taking ages to draw. My mind is blown, I think I'm retarded and have been going too fast all this time.
>>6850312>But that's counting painting, so it sounds fine.Painting was up 5 hours for 7.5h total. Could have knocked it down to 6 total at best if I had a higher res reference from the get go.
What are some exercises to develop spatial thinking other than rotating cubes?
>>6850314What, you took 2-3 hours to just draw it?
>>6850317Yes. Skill issue mostly, but overlapping shapes are harder to pin down. Working slower to be precise takes time in any case.>>6850315Rotating complex cube and shape combos, heads or bodies. Something like pic related from Scott Robertson.
i found a image in /trash/ about shadows and lighting so i practiced for some time, ¿this is right done?
>>6850315Do what Kim Jung Gi did. Find an object, then rotate it in your head. More interesting than cubes, I think.
>>6850325Bottom left looks about similar to the material you used.Color in shadow comes from the light that is reflected on the ball. The reflection wouldn't travel as far. The terminator on the ball should be darker. Depending on the material of the ball, the bounce light should be brighter.This goes into more detail about light:>https://www.learntopaintpodcast.com/blog/understanding-light-amp-shadow-terminology
I'm trying to draw him getting surprised by some vines grabbing his arm, but if I commit to much to him pulling it looks like it's after the surprise and if I don't, it looks kinda stiff.Any advice?
>>6850373draw him off balance
>>6850376Genius.
how can i move from drawing girl in the void into drawing background/perspective? i always feel like my art went from average and become shit when trying to draw background.
It’s been too long since I drew something like this. I feel better now.>>6850292>>6850285Oh, hey, that was me. These are much better! You’re feeling the form and the foreshortening is much more believable. Good job!
>>6850325https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZvtw8x0NTQ
>tfw any clothed ref is fucking me over because I haven't memorized the anatomy yetAAAAAAAAAAA
having some trouble with the left arm. it looks too long/maybe the shoulder is raised a bit too much. any advice? been messing around with it for a while now and nothing looks right
>>6849445will take years but>delete all social media accounts used for any thing that isn't grifting >stop doing hard drugs, little bit of weed and wine probably didn't hurt anybody but I'm not a doctor.>practice doing what you want to do every day, for 10-15-20 minutes increasing as you can do more.>>>stop jerking off ABSOLUTE MEME TIER ADVICE just limit the amount of time you spend as a drooling horny apefinallybe conscious that this has been caused by your own decisions and lifestyle. I have given you 3 incredibly specific pieces of advice but it is up to you to apply this incredibly vague idea to the rest of your life as well. Just think about the stuff that you do and whether there is a long term reward or notscrolling social media long term reward:>Brain damageDrawing long term reward:>A marketable skill
how do i stop my figures from figure drawing from looking so flat
>>6850473i wish they could look like this...
>>6850473the example you give has more exaggerated form, resulting in a skinny look with similar proportions. Also general skill and time, his 3 skilled lines for the thigh vs your sketchy mess. Good work and good shapes, but lines need work hehe.
>>6850479yeah i struggle a lot with linework, it's very hard to work on a very limited timeframe. Legs in general are a pain in the ass for me.
>>6850473These are not flat.
>>6850484Unironically try tracing some work you like if you arent already. Very quick way i improved lines, but make sure you aren't "printing" and are trying your best to replicate every individual brush stroke.
>>6850488thanks, gonna try to do that, got some recs of artists to trace from? what do you mean by printing. I specially struggle with legs, pieces of shit are hard to make look nice, pic rel sketch from yesterday.
>>6849671These planes are cute
>>6850493its hard to describe, but an example doing lots of short lines when there is clearly one long line in the original. My recs are anything you like and think looks good, because your art will slowly look like that. I have been going through a korean named TACO's books for drawing anime. i found all his books for free on reddit >>drive DOT google DOT com SLASH file/d/1MBQPJAcCF3_3n5H4lzVXpaJMJHEnHh-H/viewTACO - secret character drawing
Do you still do construction, even if you have the intention to paint rather than do lineart?
>>6850493I see what you mean by flat now.
Are there any good sites which just show you a bunch of relatively normal reference photos?Not like those weird contortionist refs just normal sitting and standing poses
>>6850504construction is useful when painting to inform your placement of light and shadow, and the types of edges forms create
>>6850473those are not flat Anon wtf?
>>6850473I understand your plea, brother, we know our work isn't exactly flat, but it's not as 3D as it should.When I saw this one here I realized it.
does /beg/ like my doodles? I haven't drawn in months due to a injury.
how do I draw hair /beg/bros
>>6850638>>6850638new edition>>6850638>>6850638
>>6849750you've placed the shadow ellipse too far to the right. The sphere must contact the ground inside its own shadow (the only way for the sphere to sit on the edge of its shadow is if the light is coming directly from the side, with zero elevation above the sphere). You may benefit from picking up a styrofoam sphere from the dollar store and using that with a desk lamp to set up lighting studies for yourself. Remember, draw what you see, not what you think you ought to see.
>>6850186train up your ability to render form by drawing more boxes spheres cones and cylinders in perspective
>>6850648I'll keep that in mind. It'll be a few days before I can try again but I'll save your post to my picture.
I want to make an art piece criticizing onlyfans modelsneed some advice on how to communicate my idea better.This is a reference picture I took, pretend the power ranger is a stand in for a nude womanthe idea i'm trying to communicate is how young woman get roped into pursuing onlyfans as a way to make money, but of course only the top 3% make anything, while the average model makes less than $180/month, even if they do make something, once the novelty weares off to their audience they have to do more and more degrading shit to make money. I'm thinking the jar could also have a crack to symbolize the girls broken dream or something.The idea behind the jar is a reference to the rainbow dash cumjar and to the bella delphine bathwater/piss jar product, its meant to symbolize/reference the idea of female sexuality being sold as an erotic product.this is for an art assignment, so obviously I cant say its the holes fault. I'm worried it might come off as too sjw/femenist tho, anyone have any suggestions?
>>6850854also, I want the woman's pose to be similar to something like this
>>6850353>>6850421thanks
>>6851113Rotating pyramids
